Scary Big Marijuana

Kevin Sabet is at it again with his favorite fantasy.

If you think Big Tobacco was bad, wait till you get a whiff of Big Marijuana

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  1. Frank W. says:

    “…big business and big lobbies peddle pseudoscience and stop at nothing to protect their profits.” Yeah you wouldn’t know anything about that Kev.
    Once again it’s encouraging to see how the commenters in this Texas e-rag aren’t buying his vaudeville.

  2. Jean Valjean says:

    Never mind Big Tobacco and Big Marijuana…Kevin is fully owned and operated by Big Addiction Treatment and Big Pharma.

  3. darkcycle says:

    Left my little dropping there for Kevvie.
    Now, O/T for just a moment…CBC news in Canada is now warning Canukistanis who travel to the country to thier immediate South about American highway robbers. Yup, asset forfieture is getting some international attention…in the form of unofficial travel warnings. They are robbing the wrong people, and that will work very much in our favor:

    • Tony Aroma says:

      Reminds me of those signs they have at airports warning travelers going to known unsafe destinations. WE are now one of those destinations that’s unsafe for travelers! Another notch in the belt of the US of A.

  4. Servetus says:

    Sabet is sounding more frantic than usual. Conspiracy theories, Winston Man, Yale MBAs, “big business and big lobbies peddle pseudoscience and stop at nothing to protect their profits”. I think he’s cracking up.

    Nine months into legalization in Colorado and none of his predictions are happening. The wait for something bad about legalized marijuana to show itself must be torture. His speaking engagement in Oregon is hanging by a thread. The election outlook for legalization in Oregon is looking good. These are indeed stressful times for Kevin.

    Sabet faces the impossible task of convincing people they should fear marijuana more than they fear armored personnel carriers with camouflaged soldiers rolling into their neighborhood at 4 AM to serve a warrant. The images and sounds of a police state are not pretty, unlike the marijuana plant, which looks so good it could get away with anything.

    Since Kevin’s religion forbids him from touching tobacco, alcohol or marijuana, there is little chance he will find a way to lighten up and preserve his mental health. Expect his ravings to get worse as a result.

    • Servetus says:

      Sorry, that’s 21 months into legalization in Colorado.

    • Howard says:

      “Sabet faces the impossible task of convincing people they should fear marijuana more than they fear armored personnel carriers with camouflaged soldiers rolling into their neighborhood at 4 AM to serve a warrant.”

      Very true. He just doesn’t get that dealing with Big Marijuana is way preferable than dealing with the remote possibility of being visited by Big SWAT — any day of the week.

    • Duncan20903 says:


      There’s no doubt in my mind that Kev-Kev has a straight jacket in his future. Nothing figurative, nothing to do with his campaign against cannabis, I just straight up believe that he’s in the very early stages of some form of organic brain disease. Oh well, it couldn’t happen to a more deserving fellow.

  5. Pricknick says:

    He should have waited for Halloween. Or 9/11.
    Frightened people need a date stamp.
    The replies are very nice for the most part.

  6. Russell Olausen says:

    A bit of time with Big Brother at the border is enough to call it quits. Plenty of nice people but their handlers can be quite scary. Good luck with that freedom thingy you sometimes get regaled with. Canada’s government liked the U.S.of A’s governments style so much that they are close to seamless but I think I have slightly better legal status up here, ha, ha.

    • kaptinemo says:

      You might ‘have slightly better legal status’ until Harper and Toews finish tightening the screws on you.

      And as to who gave them the screws? Google Harper Versailles France 2003. You won’t like what you read.

      • Frank W. says:

        I checked out the googly you mentioned and found the Bildenburg Group gratifies all my worst paranoid fantasies.”You won’t like what you read” indeed. Kind of like Dr Zaius’ warning to Charlton Heston. “Damn you all to hell!!”

        • kaptinemo says:

          Another seemingly innocuous bombshell: google June 6 2008 Chantilly Virginia. The previous warning about disliking what you will discover is still in effect.

          And understand that the primaries at that meeting, not the pols coming hat in hand, lips ready to kiss arse, but the real power, are the same banksters that trashed the world economy to their immense enrichment and the world’s suffering and misery. Banksters who were able to stay afloat courtesy of the black market drug trade via money laundering.

          Banksters who don’t want legal cannabis. For reasons which should be obvious.

      • allan says:

        gosh Kap… I seem to recall a DS chat one night when we were talking and warning about the DEA opening an ofc in Canuckistan… now look, Canada IS the 51st state!

  7. DonDig says:

    I think the biggest difference between the two industries is 400K + deaths per year from tobacco, (still), and 0 (zero) deaths per year year from cannabis.

    Four hundred thousand divided by zero is infinity (presumably). Dare we infer that the relative dangers have that relationship as well?

    Big marijuana may have one millionth the danger to society that big tobacco had, maybe; so Kevin what’s all this hubbub about?

    • Duncan20903 says:


      We might want to nudge that statistic into retirement. The death toll from tobacco is separated from initiation of use by about 4 decades and the per capita use of cigarettes has declined more than 70% since it peaked in 1963. So right now it’s people who first started smoking when Gerry Ford was POTUS. The decline in per capita use was very steady year after year so in a couple of decades we’ll see that 400,000 fall below 100k.

      I like to emphasize just how singular the chart of the decline of per capita use of tobacco is. There were either 2 or 3 years when it bumped up just a little. You’re almost never going to find a trend that steady. Since it started the same year as the Surgeon General’s report was published I think that it’s very compelling evidence supporting the assertion that information about health hazards will find most people doing the right thing for their health.

      I find it amusing that it was the very same 1964 when Bob Dylan got the Beatles stoned. How does that per capita use of cannabis statistic starting in 1964 compare to that cigarette statistic?

  8. DdC says:

    guess it’s sorta point – counterpoint.

    Sorbets Chicken Little Gumbo of Hobgoblins.

    or CARL HART, Why research is biased against pot and other recreational drugs

    Oh meohmyoh! here come Big Marijuana,
    any minute now, you wait and see.

    Fact: Humans Used Pot For At Least 9,000 Years

    The Law You Won’t Be Told

    Kay Lee’s photo.
    It’s a matter of choice.. or would be if those whom we chose to represent us didn’t chose to support unwise policies like prohibition.

    It’s time to invest in #SchoolsNotPrisons, it’s time to #DoTheMath.
    The California Endowment’s photo.

  9. claygooding says:

    When you add how much Federal funding is used making those PSA ads that every mainstream channel is required to play,,the funding of such groups as SAM,Drug Free,etc through grants doled out by the DEA/DOJ/ONDCP it becomes apparent which side has the BIG pockets,,and just who BIG marijuana is,,the US government.

    And they are using our tax dollars to protect us from ourselves,,or someone’s income.

    Sic em.

  10. Tim says:

    OT: so obviously crack causes cancer, right?

    His brother Doug Ford, AKA the Hashmaster of James Gardens, is running in his place.

  11. Duncan20903 says:


    It really is a crying shame that the drunken neurosurgeon botched Kev-Kev’s lobotomy.

    Is everyone ready to learn a brand new word? Forget about legalization, re-legalization, criminalization, de-criminalization, re-criminalization and gelding….
    Philadelphia: Mayor To Sign Marijuana Depenalization Measure

    • John says:

      Marijuana Depenalization? Does that mean they’ve found a way to legally ensure my garden never has any male plants again? Gee, I sure hope so!

      • B. Snow says:

        That’s actually a brilliant use of language & rhetoric.

        They’re not technically “Legalizing” or “Decriminalizing” – because – that might send the “Wrong Message” to “The Children” they’re just doing away with the “Penalty” associated with the (not really a) “Crime” (in any sane and non-racist world.)

        If only Gil & Barry had thought of this in 2009! They’re not “Rescheduling” marijuana, or “Legalizing” it, this is kinda like jury nullification – or better yet a “Mandatory Maximum” sentence of Nada/Zip = Except for the $25 fine for possession, or $100 for public use.

        Okay technically its a “non-summary civil offense”, which may be even “softer” than the “treating it like a parking ticket” ordinance/thingy?

        I say that because I don’t think the fine goes up for repeated “infractions” which is what they made it – still “not legal”… Also not a big fraking deal.

        The main thing in my understanding is that its NOT something where the ‘penalty’ escalates for a second, or third, etc. “Infraction”.
        Like it would if it were an second, third, etc. “Offense” – that’s always how Politicians try to talk about how swell they are because they’re reducing penalties for a “First Offense”, but if you don’t start do as they say it gets harsh quick.

        This way its a $25 fine (or $100 fine), even if it’s your fourth, fifth, or tenth “Infraction” – Unless I’m mistaken… which is possible.

        But, if I’m correct the cops don’t have much reason to bother with it at all. Unless its the “smoking in public” $100 fine = in some part of town they want to ‘keep up appearances in’ – Like say, an old town-square mainly occupied by/meant for touristy senior citizens shopping for antiques and sh*t.

        • Windy says:

          Well since a fine IS a penalty, it is not truly depenalization. Depenalization SHOULD remove ALL penalties, including fines, otherwise it is merely decriminalization. With depenalization even the term “infraction” does not apply.

  12. Servetus says:

    A story at Truthout by Dustin Slaughter reveals an all-inclusive surveillance program sponsored by the ONDCP called “Hemisphere” that monitors call-records of telephone calls that go through AT&T going back to 1987, exceeding the NSA’s collection of phone data which allegedly only goes back five years:

    Federal, state, and local police, with the assistance of phone company employees embedded within DEA narcotics intelligence units, are utilizing an unclassified but “law enforcement sensitive” program, known as Hemisphere, which provides nearly unfettered access to an enormous database containing call records of all telephone calls passing through phone company switches likely owned by AT&T….

    Other phone companies are likely involved as well. DHS, U.S. Marshals, FBI, and the Coast Guard may have similar access to everyone’s telephone records. Dustin Slaughter further recommends:

    a defense attorney should request whether Hemisphere was used to develop leads or run data analysis. If there are specific orders or warrants that reference ‘confidential sources,’ then defense attorneys should be making discovery requests and notifying the court that references to ‘confidential sources’ could potentially be the Hemisphere program.”

  13. thelbert says:

    sounds like something joe biden would approve of. nothing makes a country free like total surveillance.

  14. ezrydn says:

    Words from a Trash Picker! And, when I see a story that uses “leaf” images, I know the publication has no clue.

  15. strayan says:

    Kevin Sabet is nothing more than a life-long prohibitionist furiously digging a second trench in the drug war because he’s smart enough (only just) to be able to read a poll.

    Unfortunately for Kevin there are rapidly dwindling number of people willing to go ‘over-the-top’ with him (can anyone say fighting alongside Patrick Kennedy in the trenches would fill them with confidence?).

    • primus says:

      Speaking of stupid Patrick, he seems to have fallen from the face of the earth. Haven’t seen anything about him in some time. Perhaps the MSM have found his opinion irrelevant? Also, less about SAM(e).

    • Duncan20903 says:


      Doesn’t it depend on which side of the line you are? When I see that the other side has sent in Ren & Stimpy as their lead publicity agents it sure fills me with confidence. It’s too bad that they couldn’t afford Beavis & Butthead too. Heck if it’s just a matter of money I’m willing to donate.

      Oh wait, don’t you recall how Dr Bobby said in his concession speech, ““They have a bench 1,000 people deep. . . . We’ve got Kevin Sabet.”?

      (Of course he didn’t call it a concession speech. Why the heck would you think that the prohibitionists would ever correctly label anything?)

  16. allan says:

    you all are in trubble! Uncle Al (the kiddies’ pal, hello little friends, hello!) (and soul proprietor of Uncle Al’s Home for Wayward Models) had an angel appear before me in a great ray of light and (ok it was a text message but the screen was lit up) told me to find the computer I want and heshe will cover it! This 2002 Mac and it’s stone qwerty is going to become history!

    And it – whatever it be – will be a PC. Add me a wifi plan and I can actually watch a yotubey once in a while. And I’ll be able to comment on articles again! Yay!

    Damn it’s nice to have friends that care…

    • thelbert says:

      happy computering, allan

      • allan says:

        Thanks thelbert.

        Heck, when I finally got centurylink to fix my phone line from the box across the road the repair guy said, hell that line was decades old. I went from a top speed of 16kbs to 44kbs and it was like “holy shit!” I can’t imagine having speed AND capacity… y’all may have to tie me down.

        • Duncan20903 says:


          Off topic for allan: I’ve mentioned that a couple of years back I got a Mac because of all the annoying Microsoft nonsense and the publicity from the Apple snobs who think that’s a better platform. A couple of months ago I retired the Macbook and I’m back to Windows. Now I think the only real difference which I see between the two is the price tag, a bunch of sniggling annoyances peculiar to either platform, and that the Macs are “left handed” and the Windows box is “right handed.”

          Beyond that they’re pretty much the same except for the fact that add on software is extensively written for Windows. But that’s simply the fact that they’re trying to make money and there are so many more Windows boxes than Apples.

          Now something else in the same vein is that people developing malware are also inclined to write code for Microsoft boxes for the same reasons. My protective software comes to my attention on a not infrequent basis on this machine when I hardly knew I was running it. Then there was the virus that turned out to not be a virus with the popups and prizes offered. It turned out that it was just a program called Yula. Somehow I got tricked into saying it was OK to install that program. After going through a couple of weeks of being annoyed I found the little lump of shit hiding in my program files and believe it or not it had an uninstall routine which worked. I didn’t even have to go into Safe Mode to get rid of it. My speculation is that because of that it was able to go undetected because I did somehow give permission for it’s installation and with the uninstall routine it didn’t qualify as a virus. It found its home in Program Files while all of the other new software wants to land in Program Files (x86). I think that even the name of the program was designed to put it at the bottom of the list so it would be less noticeable. Everything other than the name, location and the fact that it had a working uninstall routine is just my speculation so if I’m all wet feel free to make fun of me. The point is that I never encountered Yula for Macbooks despite the fact that I’m visiting the same websites. So if your moving from a long term use of a Mac my advice is that you need to keep a sharp eye out for malware that wouldn’t have bothered you on your Mac. Just like you have so many alternative options for software you want on a PC you’ve also got a lot of alternative options for malware waiting to annoy you.

        • allan says:

          Thanks Duncan. My daughter pretty much said what you said… and right now $ matters more than life expectancy. Daughter stays vigilant and (like you) she says except for the occasional sneaky bastard program, security vigilance and doing monthly backups has kept her ‘puter running like a top.

          And she and I are both Mac and PC literate. She also qualifies as one of the youngest folks to ever use the DrugSense chatroom. And as a writer she ain’t dinking around w/ short little opeds and such like Pop, she’s 40 – 50,000 words into her first book.

  17. If anyone might be interested:

    Help Investigate Anti-Marijuana Crusaders

    “I am investigating the misappropriation of federal grant money by elected officials in Oregon to campaign illegally against our marijuana legalization initiative, Measure 91.”

    “Under the law, the counties can charge me reasonable fees for the costs of providing their records. Since my requests are necessarily broad, my first records request was returned with a request for $442.50.”

    Russ Belville asking for assistance for his investigation. Kevin needs his covers pulled the rest of the way off.

  18. primus says:

    This is the best they can come up with? Now that the old lies supporting prohibition have been eviscerated, they must come up with something else, and this is the best that they can do? The best response to his fear mongering appears to be; Yes, yes large corporations will be selling cannabis, so yes, they will have a huge interest in maintaining their licence to produce, so yes, they will be very responsive to regulations keeping it away from children, unlike today where the dealers willingly sell to our children and grandchildren. What’s your point again?

    • allan says:

      It seems his point is he’s anti-capitalist. A fine position to hold here in Capitalism Central. Kinda makes him appear even more un-American don’t it?

  19. Francis says:

    Laugh all you want, guys, but Big Marijuana is a very real problem. If you don’t properly prune your plants, you’re not going to maximize your yields.

  20. Disable/ZenMate/Chrome says:

    I may have just discovered why I haven’t been able to post on here during the last few weeks.

    Pete’s Spam Filter obviously doesn’t like ZenMate.

  21. pfroehlich2004 says:

    Quick question. What year did Colorado legalize dispensaries?

    • Duncan20903 says:


      Obviously it depends on your definition of the word legalize. Governor Ritter signed the law on June 17, 2010. IIRC it took into 2011 to have any that were operational.

      Trying to dismantle the RMHIDTA white yellow paper? The whole thing is gibberish. I’ll betcha it made Darrell Huff turn over in his grave.

      • Jean Valjean says:

        While doing a search for RMHIDTA I found this site called Main Street which covered a straw-clutching last stand by die-hard prohibitionists about an increase in “lab explosions” caused by legalization:

        there are a number of other scares to worry the uninformed like this one:

        As an experiment to find out a little more about Main Street I used their search box to see what other stories they had with the word “marijuana” and came up with almost universally negative reports. Then I tried with “beer” and found completely the opposite with stories giving their readers helpful tips about beer drinking like this “Are Mini Kegs the Best Value for Your Beer Money?”
        It’s getting easier and easier to spot bias these days.

        • Duncan20903 says:


          It’s just easier to spot bias nowadays because the only ones left on the other side of the table are the professional confidence artists, which I’ll best most here would recognize by name and the people who are tragically living a brain free life.

      • pfroehlich2004 says:

        Thanks. Was having a hard time finding that on Google. Just needed it for a comments section debate!

  22. DdC says:

    big scary to fossil fools crud plastic, & coal fired steel…

    Hemp harvest
    First crop part of a state pilot program utilized by university

    The World’s Most Eco-Friendly Car: It’s Made Entirely From HEMP

    New Plastic ‘Zeoform’ Turns Hemp Into Almost Anything

    10 x Stronger Than Steel In The 1940′s: Henry Ford’s HEMP Car.

  23. Duncan20903 says:


    Hey does anyone know Jeff Bezos or even just can tell me his whereabouts? This one is going into the “Judas do you betray me with a kiss?” category:
    D.C. voters should reject the rush to legalize marijuana

    I think I see Ren & Stimpy’s doody all mixed in with the regurgitated hysterical rhetoric in the Op-Ed linked. Don’t they employ any fact checkers over at the Washington Post?

    Seriously, I need to know where I can find Mr. Bezos? I want to send that little pecker head a message.

    • primus says:

      Rotten Link

      • kaptinemo says:

        This one should work.

        • kaptinemo says:

          The WaPo is already taking some serious hits on this one. Getting cluster-bombed with scientific studies, right from the get-go. They stepped in ‘it’, this time. Not a prohib in sight, yet.

          You’d think with all the obvious trending, the WaPo would have finally figured out which wind direction not to urinate in. ‘Slow learners’, I guess…

        • strayan says:

          Wow, there really isn’t a prohib in sight.

        • kaptinemo says:

          One showed. Already launched a torpedo in his direction. Let’s see how long he lasts (evil chuckle).

    • Jean Valjean says:

      You’d think Bezos and Amazon would be in favor of legalization… think of all that mail order business for cannabis and associated products like seeds, lights etc. And, with all the flack the wapo is getting, they may have shot themselves in the foot with that one.

      • kaptinemo says:

        Methinks that they are hearing their ideological master’s voice. No matter. They’re being publicly pummeled for their stupidity, anyway.

        • Duncan20903 says:


          It isn’t beyond the pale to speculate that the WaPo editorial board has editorial independence and that Mr. Bezos had nothing to do with their decision to be idiots. You don’t run a company as large as Amazon without delegating authority; it’s just plain impossible to micromanage a concern that large. So maybe it’s just my wishful thinking but it’s possible that Mr. Bezos learned the Idiotorial Board’s position at the same time that we did–after it was published.

          It did give me a bit of a warm fuzzy because it appears that no one outside of DC and our circle really gave a shit. New York Times endorses re-legalization and it’s international headline news, the Posts says “just say no” and nobody cares. It’s also not bloody likely to make the Initiative fail at the polls though it could make it less than an utter landslide.

  24. primus says:

    That might have been their objective; attention. Even negative attention is better than being ignored. As PT Barnum is reputed to have said, “I don’t care what you write about me in the paper as long as you spell my name right.”

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