Do you really want to go there, Holder?

Holder promises marijuana verdict coming ‘soon’

I have no idea what that means.

“We’re still in the process of reviewing both of the initiatives that were passed,” said Holder, speaking at the National Association of Attorney General annual conference in Washington, D.C.

“You will hear soon. We’re in the last stages of that review and we’re trying to make a determination as to what the policy ramifications are going to be, what our international obligations are — there are a whole variety of things that go into this determination — but the people of [Colorado] and Washington deserve an answer and you will have one soon.”

I’m sorry. What was the question?

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120 Responses to Do you really want to go there, Holder?

  1. That/word/again says:

    “Got that? Even in the blog most read by Congressional pols, the ‘P’ word is being rubbed in the pols’ faces. Ya gotta love it…”

    —kaptinemo, yesterday.

      • allan says:

        good to see his lawyer is up on his green tongue factoids. Sue ’em.

        • kaptinemo says:

          I used to hang around with some real honest-to-Yahweh old-time herbalists, who knew what was good for what, and they would take me out to the woods to help them pick it.

          They were the ones who introduced me to this stuff called “Green Essence” because I was always on the go and didn’t have time to eat my veggies (as if I ever liked to). As much as I disliked the taste, it did the job.

          But…it would turn your tongue a rich neon green. Gross as all get out. Maybe I should start drinking that stuff again after medicating…and keep the bottle handy. Hint, hint, hint.

  2. claygooding says:

    “”what our international obligations are””

    After over 200 years of breaking nearly every treaty the US entered into he wants to worry about a treaty we created,financed,bullied through the UN and pay to keep in place,,what a fucking liar.

    • divadab says:

      I think the “International obligations” Holder’s referring to is the obligation to insist that the emperor is actually wearing clothes. And to make all the imperial allies and satraps stipulate that the emperor’s clothes are magnificent.

      • Duncan20903 says:

        It’s called the “higher power excuse.”

        “Well gee whiz Wally, we’d sure like to do the right thing and re-legalize cannabis, but those darn rat bastards at the U.N. just won’t let us.”

        “That’s OK Beaver. It sure is a shame that we can’t just tell them to beat feet. Hey, let’s get drunk!”

        “You’re the best Wally. I’m glad I have such a smart brother. Dad’s at the salt mines and today is Mom’s canasta day. Let’s raid the liquor cabinet!”

        Oh well. Boys will be boys.


        ERROR: please fill the required fields (name, email).

        What is up with that?

      • kaptinemo says:

        The bribe money. Don’t forget the bribe money. Which is a pittance compared to what the cartels will give the very same recipients of Uncle’s taxpayer-supplied ‘largesse’. Which is why so many local tin-pot dictators double-dip. Uncle’s too ‘cheap’.

  3. Duncan20903 says:

    Let’s keep our fingers crossed. We just might see a case of jury nullification if we’re lucky!

  4. ezrydn says:

    I think it’s quite obvious they haven’t a clue as to what to do.

    • darkcycle says:

      And I qoute the Great Louis: “I cain’t tell you what’s gonna happen, but I can tell you this, …I’m pretty sure it won’t be boring”

    • kaptinemo says:

      Oh, we know what they want to do. It’s just that what they want to do will set off a powder keg…and they’re sitting on top of it. Monkeying with the very foundation of democracy will do that.

      No amount of legal sophistry will cover their crypto-fascism this time. Trying to nullify the politically expressed will of the people of WA and CO sends a message to the entire country that the game is over, time to begin a new one…without the current bureaucratic and political beneficiaries of Uncle’s racket as players.

      This was what the referendum process was and is for: to make an end-run around the entrenched special interests that ‘captured’ the government bureaucracies that were (ostensibly!) to serve the public. When those entrenched special interests start squealing about the public exercising that prerogative, you know you’ve drawn blood. Time to cut deeper…

    • claygooding says:

      Somewhere,over the rainbow,,a law clerk has surely pointed out that any trials for state licensed marijuana production or distribution,including any civil suit against the state,will have a jurors panel made up of the voters that made those activities legal,,,can you say hung juries and possible nullification of their stupid federal law.

  5. Irie says:

    Slightly off topic, but of major interest (at least to me, hope some of you folks on the couch think so too),

  6. Matthew Meyer says:

    Darn tootin’, Pete! It was the voters who asked and answered the questions. There is no question about their right to do so.

    I think the only real question is how the feds will try to save face. Holder can’t even speak to the issue without seeming very asinine.

    And how many folks will get crushed by the falling bricks…that’s an important question. AG Holder?

    • Duncan20903 says:


      This one is from the “equal protection under the law” category:

      Fifth grader brings marijuana to school

      SUFFOLK, Va. (WAVY) – A fifth grader who brought marijuana to his school in an effort to stop his dad from smoking could be expelled from school.

      According to Diana Klink with the City of Suffolk, an officer responded to Driver Elementary, 4270 Driver Lane, for a student in possession of marijuana.

      Klink said the student told officers he found marijuana in his dad’s truck and took it to school with him to show his teacher he wanted his dad to stop using it.

      Bethanne Bradshaw with Suffolk Public Schools said the student was recommended for expulsion per policy and will have an expulsion hearing within 10 days.

      I saw the headline and clicked in order to make a sarcastic post claiming that I hoped that this little felon guilty of drug trafficking would be expelled pursuant to the school’s zero tolerance policy. I’m still fish mouthing in utter disbelief. The prohibitionists will fuck over anyone, anyone at all.

      I must be in denial. I just can’t seem to accept that the arts of sarcasm and parody are dead, murdered by the Know Nothing prohibitionists. Even as I say that I’m thinking, just a bit more CPR, hit them with the defibrillator paddles, a shot of adrenaline directly into the heart, what about a…

      Nope. They’re dead Jim.

  7. allan says:

    aye… they’re circling their wagons. They’ve seen enough westerns to know when the injuns are pissed. And this injun has been pissed for a looong time.

    I’m looking forward to oregon’s handling of our first legislative legalization bill (HB 3371). The chatter so far is positive and after last year’s win’s (even Paul Stanford’s intitiative’s loss was close enough that I call it a win) I sense a renewed spirit of cooperation amongst oregonion activists.

    And as Kap said… they’ve been cut. They now know couch potatoes can do more than make french fries. The question now is “how do they want to lose?”

    They can back away (but we know that won’t happen). They can say “f*** the voters and raise limited hell, trying to spook the herd like they’ve been doing pursuing mmj producer and dispensary persecutions prosecutions. They can amend the CSA (won’t happen). Or… or they can ignore WA and CO and call it ‘the state’s experiment’ while fighting tooth and nail against legalization in other states, begging for CO and WA results before moving forward.

    And that’s another bad headline. The verdict was reached in November. We’re a 300 mph mfing freight train. Best to get out of the way.

    • Peter says:

      I reckon they’ll go for “the state’s experiment…” Has that juvenile quality, like “experimenting with drugs”…fingers crossed the states will grow out of it before we lose our pensions

  8. Peter says:

    perhaps Holder can get a job defending Cartel bosses when this gig is over, like these two DEA agents. The drug war gets more farcical every day. Fast and Furious anyone?

    • allan says:

      curiouser and curiouser

    • claygooding says:

      So looking forward to the day when ex-DEA is whispered about and carries the shame they and their allie’s falsely put on us,,,we will do it with facts and they have no defense.

    • kaptinemo says:

      Mercs are loyal to their own…until someone offers a higher bounty.

      Go rent Sniper and you’ll see what I mean (there’s an ex-CIA agent working for the cartels in that one). Wouldn’t be the first time…given this.

    • War Vet says:

      I say we take Holder, Gil and the DEA to Saudi Arabia and give them a job (3 hots and cot) sorting and separatng sand.

  9. Ziggy says:

    I believe the people of WA and CO told him the answer in a clear majority.

  10. Duncan20903 says:

    Mexican Weed Cannon Launches Packages Of Marijuana Into California
    Those rascally drug runners. What will they think of next?

    • claygooding says:

      some of the best ideas come from the Discovery Channel,,Mythbusters showed you could build a black powder cannon out of ducttape and Punkin Chunkin Championships saw the trebuchet put back into use. Waiting on a giant sling shot,,,talk about quiet delivery!!!

      • Fat Freddy's Cat says:

        No Tunnels Under The Border Needed!

        which is why this is now my favorite slingshot load:

        “People like me can’t be stopped. It’s a war. They lose men, and we lose men. They lose their scruples, and we never had any. In the end, you’ll even blow up an aircraft because you believe the Colombian president is on board. I don’t know what you have to do. Maybe sell cocaine in pharmacies. I’ve been in prison for 20 years, but you will never win this war when there is so much money to me made. Never.”

        ~ John Jairo “Popeye” Velasquez Vasquez

        They’re not gonna surrender that golden egg laying goose.

        • Duncan20903 says:


          What will the prohibitionists say when the smugglers start using drones? How long will it be before we get to see a remote controlled dogfight?

          “Curse you Red Baron!” ~~ Snoopy

      • Windy says:

        Saw a photo of a very LARGE slingshot used to fling axes (musta been at least a 12 foot long sling, so the pocket was 6 feet from the stationary pieces) was suggested for self protection after they take guns away. So not so far fetched an idea, clay.

  11. Bruce says:

    Those who Embrace ‘Kill Lists’ belong on One. Chicken Hawk, Lily Liver, Fascist Freak, the Bayonets favorite Food.

  12. thelbert says:

    i like how the aristos get to “review” the will of the people. it really puts things in perspective.

  13. claygooding says:

    OH GREAT,,another drive-by trolling,,Kev-Kev must be lonely out there in prohib Ice Station Zebra.

    • Duncan20903 says:

      You’re avatar is driving me crazy. I’m afraid to tell you what it looks like to me. I might get Rorschached by Dr. Drewsky.

    • Dr Atomic says:

      aaah… the eloquence of a mouse click…

      • claygooding says:

        I wish I had a better camera so my pics looked as good as yours,,only so much you can do with a cellphone and a magnifying glass.

        • Cheech Wizard says:

          “only so much you can do with a cellphone and a magnifying glass”

          I don’ wanna know…

        • Duncan20903 says:


          How in the world could anyone forget? I still recall the first unanticipated tragedy that the fellow who I know suffered. Bambi and Thumper may look all cute and cuddly but there’s no doubt that they’re friends of the ONDCP. I’ve never heard my friend complain about squirrels vis a vis outdoor growing.

          Speaking of Thumper all the bunnies in my yard have converted to being nocturnal. They’ve been scaring the hell out of me all month when I got out to the woods to check my mice traps. Now how does an entire species wake up one morning and decide to go nocturnal? Not that there’s anything wrong with that.


          I guess that LED’s explain the color temperature in clay’s avatar but what’s with the penis looking thing with the flower petal collar? When he said he needed a microscope I was sure it was a self portrait. [drumroll][rimshot] Now you’ve got me all confused and worried that Dr. Drew is going to knock on my door and force me onto a reality TV show. I can understand why his patients commit suicide. Sheesh!

        • Duncan20903 says:


          Oh my god! Monsanto has been cloning allan! Those bastards!

          Somebody tell me why my posts aren’t going where I tell them to go tonight? The one above was supposed to be a reply to darkcycle below. Then there was the one about the 5th grader getting expelled for snitching on his dad that landed way up the list. I swear I haven’t started to enjoy the evening yet, so that isn’t it. OK, now I have. Started I mean.

      • Duncan20903 says:


        Wow Dr. Atomic, you look exactly like one of our regular posters.


        Why yes, as a matter of fact growing pot is rocket science:
        Meet the Former NASA Scientist Who’s Teaching Coloradans How to Grow Marijuana Legally

        • darkcycle says:

          There is a distinct learning curve, we practised gardeners tend to forget the many problems we encountered (although somehow, we seem to remember to watch for that stuff). It seems easy, it’s not.

        • divadab says:

          I grew some seeds I got from Dr. Atomic. Unstable F1 hybrids. Some pretty good initial genetics which expressed in various ways – not very consistent so really could have used a couple of generations of back-crossing to stabilize the best characteristics.

        • allan says:

          divi… if those seeds had been from the real Dr Atomic that wouldna happened.

        • divadab says:

          he did look sort of like the guy in the saucer……

  14. Cliff says:

    BTW, I got a call at our office which turned out to be a wrong number from Illinois. The caller thought we were a gun manufacturer (I wish) because he got our number from his supplier. Anyway, we talked shop a while and then he said something that really caught me off guard.

    I’m paraphrasing, but he said that he didn’t smoke pot, but that he was happy to see that my state (Colorado) legalized marijuana and are basically sticking it to the feds and telling them to stop wasting money locking up people over a plant. Did not expect that, but it made me very happy.

  15. Duncan20903 says:

    Our precious little lapdog is humping legs in Ohio recently, with more to come.
    Medical marijuana won’t help Ohioans, group says

    It’s time to start treating Mr. Sabet like the malignant, narcissistic clown that he is. If you think he has greater than zero credibility then you need to think again.

    • darkcycle says:

      Taking the gloves off? Excellent! Way to thrash him, Duncan!

      • Duncan20903 says:


        I had gloves on?? Man I must have been high. I can’t stand wearing gloves. If it’s cold enough to need to wear gloves then it’s cold enough to stay indoors, that’s my motto.

        Honestly, there was a poster in yet another comments column who tried to dress me down for “being so angry.” I told him that he needed to learn to differentiate between anger and arrogance borne of imminent victory.

        Oh, and before you try to say it, I say that Yogi Berra can just drop dead.

    • kaptinemo says:

      Indeed. Kevin is a purveyor of truthiness, not truth.

      The news media could also stand some well-deserved raking over the coals for their obvious laziness in not doing their homework concerning this background of this mercenary mouthpiece. Taking his (heavily padded) resume at face value, without actually determining what he really did on our dime and our time, is another point of embarrassing failure of today’s cut-and-paste ‘journalists’.

      And it won’t hurt to point out who’s filling his rice bowl. I strongly suspect that he never un-clamped his lips from a Gub’mint teat, and I wouldn’t be surprised that he is still being fiscally supported via ‘grant’ money courtesy of the US taxpayers.

      (Hmmm. Sounds like an addiction, doesn’t it? Off to rehab, off to rehab with him!!!!!)

      And challenging his lack of medical credentials – while he obliquely insinuates with his ‘Ph.D’ that he has them – goes a long way towards unmasking the agenda of the control-freaks he associates with. For, as the old saying goes, “You are known by the company you keep.”

      I said it before and I’ll keep saying it: Just as the Ahnenerbe before it, the ONDCP has been an obscure hotbed of scandal, pseudoscience, bigotry and mendacity, in which its’ denizens feverishly labor away for their hope of a secular version of a drug-free inverse Rapture that will never come.

      Such sad creatures belong in asylums, not loose in the streets and the airwaves, haranguing and pestering those that know better…and they certainly don’t belong on the payroll.

    • kaptinemo says:

      I really feel dumb; I should have thought of this before.

      Whenever Kevin or any prohib does public speaking, reformers should quickly stand and begin spraying this furiously into the atmosphere.

      The problem is that each reformer will probably need this much…or more.

      • Duncan20903 says:


        You should quit while you’re behind. You still haven’t mentioned rotten eggs and/or overripe tomatoes and their optimal use in getting our point across to the prohibitionist clown brigade. Yes their classic devices in political debates but things become classic devices for a reason you know.

        • kaptinemo says:

          But, but, but…I was taught it was sin to waste food! After all, there were ‘people starving in China!’ and all that.

          Besides, I could never stand whole tomatoes. If there was ever a food with a better use as projectiles, that was it. But I’m not about to buy something, let it go bad, and then pitch it at someone, because I don’t like what they’re saying. The prohibs aren’t worth it, and…it’s just not economical. BS Repellant is, and it immediately gets the point across.

  16. confoozed says:

    ummm… did… uh… Pete recover the couch? Wake up from a nap and my reality is distorted!

    • confoozed says:

      but now it looks normal… holy moly Batman

      • darkcycle says:

        Damn! Allan, do that thing with your face again, will you? It was like watching you morph on DMT!

        • druggie underlord says:

          seriously… I went to DWR, clicked on this post’s comment button and it instantly became not-DWR-as-we-know-it but almost a BB format and none of Pete’s graphics, no center main w/ 2 side columns. And that’s with no psychedelics for me in a cuppla 3 years. (waaah)

          If that was a flashback I wanna refund.

        • Pete says:

          interesting. I wasn’t messing with the site, but it’s possible you ran into a glitch where not all the site’s CSS loaded with the page, which would make it look pretty strange.

    • Duncan20903 says:

      He had to have it re-upholstered. A few weeks back a prohibitionist was here and made a virtual sticky mess as a result of mental masturbation.

  17. strayan says:

    The dumbass thinks the people in CO and WA haved approached him for for permission to change the cannabis laws.

    You guys voted.

    That IS how you change laws.

    • Duncan20903 says:

      On my way to Starbucks. That post deserves two thumbs up and I deserve a cuppa cawfee.


      Now this is a friggin’ miracle: Reduced marijuana penalties OK’d by Oklahoma panel

      Oklahoma, whoda thunk it?

    • darkcycle says:

      Strayan, I hope you don’t mind I paraphrased you in my response at The Hill.
      And Pete, why is the site being so wonky???
      My normal book mark keeps bringing me back to the thread the way it looked six hours ago, and I have to sign in every time I want to post. NSA got buggy eavesdropping software?

      • strayan says:

        Not a problem!

      • Chris says:

        As a web developer, I highly recommend google chrome (or the open-source version Chromium) as the best web browser currently available. I’ve been using it every day as my main browser since late 2008 when it was first publicly released.

        • Duncan20903 says:


          I really don’t trust Google. They won’t auto-complete the word marijuana in the search box. Midget lesbian catholic dominatrices? No problem. NAMBLA, whoomp, there it is. “Marijuana”? Showing results for Drug Enforcement Administration instead.

          I’ll never search the Internet with Google again.

        • divadab says:

          Duncan – here’s something else google does – google voice edits out swear words like fuck and corset out of their transcriptions of your voice mail.

          Really flipping weird, and somehow big great-auntie-ish, don’t you think?

        • Chris says:

          What google returns from requests to their many webservers or APIs has nothing to do with the quality of the rendering engine (webkit) used by the browser. I suggested Chromium as the google-free alternative, so unless you have something against the smart people developing it in their free time / on google’s time, you’re missing out. Stoners built the web, what makes you think anything has changed?

        • darkcycle says:

          Me no trust ’em Google. Me trust Firefox. But Microsoft sent me 12 important updates to Windows two weeks ago that has made Firefox impossible to use. So now I’m looking into Linux, as the MICROSOFT FREE alternative.
          Don’t EVEN get me started.

        • Windy says:

          I won’t use google search to search for anything related to politics, re-legalization, or any other search I prefer to keep private. I use
          because it doesn’t keep track of users’ IP, so it can’t give a history of your searches to any government agency. But I do like Chrome for a browser and use it more often than any other.

        • Duncan20903 says:


          Chris, false concern trolls on the Internet have been trying to sell people various bills of goods since minutes after it was invented. I’ll take a look at the “Google free” chromium but I wasn’t aware of it before now. Your first post made them sound as if the two were interchangeable. If you didn’t mean to imply then perhaps you need to work on being less ambiguous.

          But being a decades long resident of the D.C. Metro area I can’t even put into words just how laughably absurd I find the assertion that the DIA employs or ever did employ people with inert metabolites of substances on the naughty lists in their bodily wastes.

        • darkcycle says:

          Damn! Thanks for that, Windy!

  18. Servetus says:

    ‘Weed Country’ on the Discovery Channel is excellent. I caught the first two hours. It’s not an ONDCP/DEA propaganda piece at all. Epitaph for a drug war would be a better description.

  19. Duncan20903 says:


    Today is “too pooped to Pope” day and time to say good riddance to Pope Bent4dick. Well that’s the good news. The bad news is “meet the new Pope, same as the old Pope” is the natural order of things. Mamas don’t let your babies grow up to be altar boys!

    • kaptinemo says:

      My fiery Irish mum used to make a fist, shake it in the air and say “God save us from bad priests!” whenever some TV Nooz program came on about pederasts in the pews.

      And no, I wasn’t an altar boy, either. Too ‘black Irish’ for that. And it didn’t help that I hung around with Sicilian playmates; a lot of Sicilians have their own ideas about the ‘Holy See’, and they’re none too complementary (at 1:50). I was taught to call it ‘Saluting the Pope’.

  20. stlgonzo says:

    Ideally they would recognize the State’s Rights. I have a feeling they wont. Although I think if the Feds are aggressive in their response it would really back-fire on them in the long run. I think it would speed the legalization on the state level.

    Remember that alcohol prohibition was repealed in several states before the feds jumped on board.

  21. Irie says:

    Story in the San Francisco huffington post:

    “Marijuana Legalization Poll: California Voters Overwhelmingly Support Pot Reform.”

    I ask, what say ye, Attorney General Holder??

    Read it and weep in your infinite wisdom……..”.In a California Field Poll released today, voters — by a 54 to 43 percent margin — say they want California to legalize marijuana beyond medical use with regulations similar to alcohol.”

  22. Irie says:

    Opps! here is the link….(I took on a slight handicap, don’t worry, am at my home computer and am not going anywhere for 5 hours!) Sorry

  23. kaptinemo says:

    The worm turns, and the biters get bit: Kansas Democrats force amendment to include lawmakers in welfare drug tests

    From the article:

    “Democrats in Kansas were unable to kill a Republican bill to drug test welfare and unemployment recipients, but they were successful in adding an amendment that would require lawmakers to also face testing.

    Democratic state Sen. Oletha Faust-Goudeau, who opposes drug testing, said that she wanted to make sure that lawmakers would be subjected to the same rules if the bill does end up passing.

    “What’s good for the goose is good for the gander,” Faust-Goudeau explained, according to The Kansas City Star.”

    Yea, verily and forsooth. Wish I could vote for the lady…

    • allan says:

      Even if they pass it, it will die in the courts. Let the Repubs show that those “old cranky white guys” comments are spot on. That’s a dying political party…

      If memory serves FL actually did get one test cycle in and sumpin’ like 1.5% tested positive. The cost was overwhelming, the effort’s succes, totally underwhelming.

      • claygooding says:

        And of that 1.5% most were false positives,,the end costs of testing were 300% more than the amounts of welfare saved.

      • Duncan20903 says:


        But consistent with an easily observable personality trait not uncommon to the prohibitionist, victory was declared because the absence of positive urine screens proved that the law kept the addicts from bothering to apply in the first place. Prohibitionists appear to have a rock solid belief in invisible evidence.

        These idiots don’t seem to understand that people will do stuff that is ant-social to downright criminal if they have no food for themselves, a place to sleep not exposed to the elements or have loved ones doing without medical care. At best these short sighted laws will cause people to make cardboard signs and annoy people like me at traffic intersections. At worst they’ll turn to real criminality (AKA common law crimes) producing innocent victims and ending up in jail. It’s a dictionary picture perfect example of being penny wise and dollar foolish. Any way you look at it the taxpayers are going to pick up the tab.

        Conservative? Shirley, you jest.

  24. darkcycle says:

    Hmmmm…run across two posts on two different threads from our old friend DdC…

    • Duncan20903 says:


      …each one a minimum of at least 15 feet 4 inches long using 6 point type with a minimum of 183 links to news articles possibly dating back to a time shortly after Mr. Gutenberg did his thing.

      Hey, I was concerned that it was a fraud posing as DdC so I investigated.


      Emmy Lou Harris and Rodney Crowell glorify the use of and addiction to mind altering drugs in their brand spanking new song called “Black Caffeine” performed live just yesterday on “Imus In The Morning” Yes the Methuselah of the airwaves is still alive. No doubt about it, you should see his trophy wife and her girlfriend.

  25. darkcycle says:

    I’m laughing soooo hard right now!!
    Watching “Weed Country” Episode two:
    At about 11:30, you can hear a Deputy claim “We’ve seen ’em tie rattlesnakes to trees and cut the rattles off so there’s no warning.”
    I’ve been working on exacly HOW you tie a snake to a tree. I’m laughig at that so hard I’m sweating!

    • Duncan20903 says:


      Oh c’mon, you use zip ties. I thought everyone knew that. What makes this guy Depitty Stewpid is the nonsense about amputating the rattles. Of course that would make the snake die, a rattlesankae can’t live without his rattles anymore than a horse can live with less than 4 legs. Smart people use cotton balls and duck tape instead. (posted before I read about ankle traps modified with duct tape and padding…just some minor synchronicity)

      Hey, how about burying a hand grenade in the root balls so that when a copper or a ripper tries to snatch up the plant it sends him a message?

  26. darkcycle says:

    …at 24:52, they show a small mammal trap, the jaws of which the growers had wrapped in padding and duct tape (so it was a humane, no kill trap, and whatever they caught would not be injured and could be turned loose). They actually called it a booby trap. I suppose, if you believe it is a trap for humans, then you are a booby…making it a SORT of “booby trap”….

  27. ezrydn says:

    The question was asked “of the People” at the ballot box. The People responded with their answer. Eric’s talking out loud about what he has to do now on those other topics he mentioned BEFORE “The People ” of both states.

  28. claygooding says:

    What Drug Policy Reform Looks Like

    President Obama believes in the pursuit of an America built to last – a Nation founded on an educated, skilled workforce with the knowledge, energy, and expertise to succeed in a highly competitive global marketplace. Yet, for too many Americans, this vision is hampered by drug use and addiction, which inhibits their ability to live healthy lives and achieve their full potential.

    While the harms caused by substance use and substance use disorders may seem obvious, here’s a reminder of what the data show: According to the CDC, drug overdose deaths are the second leading cause of injury death, surpassed only by suicides. Making matters worse, studies show that among the 22 million Americans who need treatment for substance use disorders, only about 2 million—only about one-in-10—receive it [i]. What has caused this disparity? For a start, not all health insurance plans have been required to cover drug treatment on par with other medical problems. That’s unacceptable.

    Kerli and crew are trying for the big one,,drug screening at your doctors office for all.

    • Servetus says:

      Ugly. Really ugly. This is what Dr. Thomas Szasz referred to when he described the ‘therapeutic state’, wherein psychotherapy is made a substitute for prisons and gulags, a tool for eliminating undesirables.

      The prohibitionists intend to deputize doctors to quarry their prey. This has been the role given to the medical profession from the beginning. Doctors have been prohibited from treating addicts since 1914, and must refer all said chemical heretics to the police.

      They’re coming for our body fluids. I say piss on ’em. At the current rate, we can legalize drugs before they can impose their 4th Amendment violations.

      • darkcycle says:

        “Dr. Szasz was much more humanist than you give him credit for. …” I started to write this and then I realized you DID know about Szasz, I almost stepped in doo-doo.
        What can you say about the author of “The Myth Of Mental Illnes” that is bad?

      • kaptinemo says:

        This is why it is absolutely vital that, when you visit any doctor’s office, you do NOT sign the HIPAA form. This is tied to Section 215 of the (choke, cough, puke) so-called PATRIOT Act, which has destroyed doctor/patient confidentiality.

        Signing it legally authorizes the doctor’s office to violate your 4th and 5th Amendment rights by sending test results to the list of ‘authorities’ mentioned on the form, among which are police and Federal agents. It’s no different than the cop trying to enter your home by being falsely chummy with you, hoping that you won’t know that by letting them in you have surrendered your 4th Amendment rights.

        And…I don’t provide my SSN, either. This is not necessary for your treatment, or your billing, either. Most doctor’s offices don’t want a fight about this and will not press the issue if you refuse to provide it.

        Damn prohibs could never win in a stand-up fight, always sneaking around behind you, like what Churchill said about the Soviets being a burglar in a hotel corridor, trying every single doorknob to see which one is unlocked so they could loot the place. In this case they want to loot your remaining rights. Slime…

        • claygooding says:

          I have been posting your advice on not signing the HIPAA form all over the net,,thanx for that,,I just don’t see a doctor that often to know what forms to avoid,,

    • darkcycle says:

      This is your “third way”. Your softer gentler prohibition will have screening at home, school, work, the doctor’s office, soon, the bank and supermarket too.
      *string of unprintable epithets and and vague references to many things that would out me on a Homeland Security Watch list*
      Or, if you like, Obama’s ONDCP.

      • darkcycle says:

        Fire up the ‘puter’s boys, the enemy is probing our positions, and the attack is coming. Navy folk, prepare to repel borders. This is not a drill.

    • Dump the Gulag says:

      it is worth noting that this is one of the most significant pieces of drug policy reform in a generation

      oooh… pardon my disdain.

      Actually the most “significant pieces of drug policy in a generation” happened in November in CO and WA.

      Mr Botticelli, drop the laptop – wait, set it down, that’s a taxpayer laptop – and just walk away. You’re associations with this office will haunt you forever, unless you walk away now. Making war on your own citizens has historically proven to be unhealthy.

    • kaptinemo says:

      Always, always, always about the ‘productivity’, reducing people to the level of machines…in order to acclimate them to the idea that they are fungibles.

      Like just about every American worker for the past 30 years, I am pretty damn productive enough, thank you, and add that I have been all my life. I don’t need to have my urine tested to ‘tweak’ that ‘productivity’ any further…as if that was the real reason.

      • claygooding says:

        How much loss of productivity does imprisoning a non-violent person and leaving their family on welfare because the bread winner is in prison cause?

  29. darkcycle says:

    Pete, the site is really being weird. New comments don’t show up until I close then re-open my browser.

    • Pete says:

      Well, there was a new update for the edit comments plug-in. I’ve now updated that. Hopefully that will solve the problem. Let me know if it continues.

  30. ezrydn says:


    You talk about the HIPAA form, yet I’ll bet many here do something else. You mentioned the supermarket. Do you use points? You allow someone to track your specific purchases? Really? The first time I was ever asked if I wanted a Points card, ANYWHERE, the answer’s always NO!

    • darkcycle says:

      Oh, HELL no. They don’t get to track MY purchases. I even use cash nine out of ten times. At one time many years ago, I did get a Fred Meyer Card, to get the discount on one specific item. The name I registered under was Humbert Phlegm, of 1234 Nunyabizniz Dr. I now use that card to work my dry-screened hash on the seive.

    • darkcycle says:

      That was Nemo, Ez.

    • Duncan20903 says:


      That’s way too paranoid for me. After decades of having the most boring customer loyalty program in existence Safeway has leapfrogged the rest of the grocery stores.

      Why in the world would I worry if someone knows what brand of tofu I eat or if I buy more Depends than needed for long car trips? It’s easy enough to sign up with a phony name and address for those programs if you’re going to insist on being scared.

      • darkcycle says:

        It’s not about being scared Duncan, it’s about exercising control over my personal information. I don’t need someone inferring my demographics from my purchases (they’re likely to be wrong), and targeting me for advertising.

        • Duncan20903 says:


          OK, whatever you say. I prefer to exercise control over my pocketbook and Safeway offers “club members” far superior pricing to prices for anonymous customers. I spend about $6k a year there as it is.

  31. mr. ikashini says:

    Long line of POW’s as the justifying funding before the sequestration. give a read…

  32. mr. ikashini says:

    About WC. The attaching of an arbitrary $$ amount seems suspicious. If I were king you could intercrop among the peppers beans and ‘maters. If you have 45minutes be prepared to for canards like the rest of the corporate media.

  33. Weed/country/part2 says:

    For all those outside the US

  34. Duncan20903 says:


    More stupid prohibitionist extremes and antics. These guys really do get upset if there aren’t any dogs to shoot:

    Ames [Iowa] Police: Three Charged in Marijuana Mailings

    On Feb. 20 both Cody Cain, 22, of Sioux City, and Owen Brehm, 21 of Ames, refused a package of marijuana delivered to a Walton Drive home and tried to run away, complaints said. Both men were charged with interference with official acts, according to criminal complaints.

    …and then there are the victims who have bought the bill of goods offered by the prohibitionist crowd:

    Mass. woman sues FedEx over marijuana delivery

    PLYMOUTH, Mass. (AP) — A Massachusetts woman has sued FedEx, claiming the company mistakenly sent her a package containing seven pounds of marijuana, then gave her address to the intended recipients, who later showed up at her door.

    Maryangela Tobin of Plymouth said in the suit filed Feb. 12 that by disclosing her address, the company violated state privacy laws and put herself and her children in danger.

    “I feel like the safety of my daughters and myself was invaded and it makes things complicated,” she told WBZ-TV. “I walk into my house first every time, my kids don’t.”

    Apparently the people who expected to get the package were told by Fed-Ex where the package was delivered, knocked on her door politely, asked if their package was there, then left without incident when told it wasn’t there, practically causing the idiot woman to drop dead from fright. She’s so concerned about her privacy that she gives her name and interviews to the Associated Press, not to mention that her address is listed in the phone book.

    • primus says:

      So, whether you accept the package or refuse it, you are going to gaol? What kind of Catch-22 is that? As to the lady who is angry at the Fed/Ex, she has a point; who knows what could have happened? Privacy laws are there for a reason, they messed up.

      • Duncan20903 says:


        You should go read the law. The suit is meritless. Don’t you know that just because the politicians give a law a name doesn’t mean that the name matches the law? I also wouldn’t be surprised in the least if the whole thing is a con game designed to rob FedEx. A total amateur bush league scam by a dilettante grifter who’s going to get her ass handed to her by the boys from Memphis. Stay tuned…

  35. darkcycle says:

    First thing I thought was the folks who came and tried to get the package had messed up. I figured they had scoped out houses where the people kept a regualr work schedule, and used one of those address to try to recieve their goods. But rather than leaving it on the porch, the homeowner was unexpectedly home, and recieved the package. The rest sounds like a slick shyster’s ploy for some fat Fed Ex dough.

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