Odds and Ends

bullet image The October 9, 2002 Petition to Reschedule Marijuana has been officially denied by Michele Leonhart and the denial placed in the Federal Register today.

Interesting timing, given the recent DOJ letter regarding medical marijuana prosecutions. Looks like all-out federal war.

bullet image Time for our Rapid Response Team to spring into action!

From The Thinking Policeman: A Police Officer’s Blog: The Drugs Debate

Apparently he’s already expecting to hear from the “usual hysterical pro drugs legalisation brigade.”

He’s heard all the legalization arguments and can recite them, but can’t quite put together the pieces. Besides, he gets caught into some of the worst traps:

  • “Until there is a clear strategy and model the pro legalisation lobby will not be taken seriously.”
  • “Drugs are far more addictive and potentially harmful [than alcohol]”
  • “Using the same argument there is a better case to legalise all crime.”
  • “Drug users have a false belief that more people are using drugs than in fact are.”
  • “In my view the risks of a liberal experiment of lawful drug supply by way of regulation coupled with lawful possession far outweigh any potential benefits. Liberalisation of possession in countries such as Portugal and Holland has done little to address drugs and crime. The Swedish model of strict enforcement with investment in prevention and treatment works better.”
  • “For example, there are 1.5 million bikes in Amsterdam and every year 600,000 are stolen.”

Someone may want to inform him about Transform’s Blueprint, among other things…

bullet image Your tax dollars on drugs.

A professionally printed ad sponsored by the National Institute on Drug Abuse being seen on the El trains around Philadelphia contains the following:

“contact the Family Trainging Program” […] “The Parents TRanslatoinal Researg Center.” [emphasis added]

It makes the advertised phone number — 877.i.WORRY.2 — all the more appropriate.

bullet image Ethan Nadelmann will be on “Real Time with Bill Maher” tonight.

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59 Responses to Odds and Ends

  1. Its all about simplistic and false religious dogma:


    And such are the folk long involved in growing highly addictive unhealthy Virginia Bright Leaf Tobacco.

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    • allan says:

      thanks for the Spam!

      • fuked says:

        u ask why? i get a kick on how sick the government is. i love reading about it—especially the drugwar! man, u grow up thinking u got freedom…what a joke. how long has this been going on? really…like..thousands of years. look, sorry man, i really want the best for the next person…but it wont happen here i reckon….so fuk it

  3. Dante says:

    The Drugs “Debate”? Doesn’t a debate have two opposing sides?

    All I see is a one-sided, ideologically-driven, factually-challenged self-justification for the full employment of a drug warrior.

    Kinda like the anti-abortionists explaning how blowing up people was actually a good way to protest killing people. Then, since they only talk to people with similar views they think all their pontifications are God’s Law. But they are really just common terrorists.

    Drug Warriors = Common Terrorists.

  4. Steve says:

    I got dizzy from all of the circular logic in that Federal Register piece! Follow me if you can…

    – Marijuana must remain on Schedule I because marijuana has a high potential for abuse because it’s a widely abused substance.

    – Marijuana must remain on Schedule I because marijuana is so related to other marijuana-like substances (Marinol, etc.) that are on Schedule I (probably because marijuana was on schedule I when they were created).

    – Marijuana must remain on Schedule I because individuals are taking marijuana on their own, without advice from a physician who can legally administer marijuana, because the FDA won’t allow physicians to prescribe it.

    – Marijuana must remain on Schedule I because there is not a significant diversion of it from legal channels… wait, what? This one appears to actually contradict one of the requirements for finding a substance has a high potential for abuse!

    This response is so fucking stupid, it boggles my mind. Just a bunch of federal agencies covering their asses and protecting their golden goose, the Drug War.

    • Peter says:

      and it only took them 9 years to produce this response

    • dt says:

      It’s definitely an example of the DEA priests holding forth in their high drug war bureaucratese, as kaptinemo put it a few threads back. People break our rules so therefore we must keep enforcing our rules, because people would only break our rules if the evil weed were causing them to do it.

    • BluOx says:

      Plus, “it must remain on schedual 1 because my career depends on it.” As transparent as ever.

  5. DdC says:

    Every time we relinquish checks and balances for single human dictatorial governance we end up with corruption and arbitrary decisions that serve a minority or the status quo government and corporate interests. Anslinger, McCarthy, Janet Edgar Hoover, Nixon, Clinton, Cheney Boosh or these dea flying monkey’s serving the Tzars. If we don’t stop repeating History then we shouldn’t bitch when we end up with the same results. Leonhart has no Democratic or American authority to determine the scheduling of a substance. Politically obedient cops are a menace to society and should be classified as schedule #1 dangerous, addictive poisons. Science has already determined cannabis is medicinal and the safest substance in the entire pharmacopeia. Lyingheart is slaving for job security. Pitifools on display.

    So the Apothecaries, Coops and dispensaries (Buyers Clubs) are perhaps unjustly classed, but still classed as Commerce and subject to the Feds Commerce Claus determination. But that is what the GOPerverted supremes ruled in Gonzo v Raich. I still claim that doesn’t include individuals and the following articles seem to agree. So regardless of the bogus DEAth mongers arbitrary and capricious decisions to disregard Medicine and Science for profits and power. We can toke all we want under state law. Just can’t sell it. Good incentive for the Ganja profiteers to lobby to disolve the ondcp and its evil minions. It also sends a message for any stragglers believing in politicians. That bogus legislation will somehow be redeemed by the same crooked system doing the abuse. The same system reaping the rewards paid by tax payers. Perpetuating the drug war and the jobs maintaining it. Like Mikal Lyinghart. Sickening state of affairs. Off with their heads!

    Obama Admin Memo on Medical Marijuana Stirs Dismay
    The medical marijuana movement is reeling after the Obama Justice Department released a memo last week declaring that it might prosecute large-scale medical marijuana cultivation operations and dispensaries even in states where they are operating in compliance with state laws.

    The memo, written by US Deputy Attorney General James Cole, “clarifies” the October 2009 memo from then-Deputy Attorney General David Ogden that told federal prosecutors not to focus their resources on patients and providers in compliance with state laws.

    No One is Outside Federal Marijuana Laws, US Says
    A memo from the U.S. Department of Justice in Washington says state laws allowing medical marijuana opened the door to abuses and calls for legally targeting “large-scale, privately operated industrial marijuana cultivation centers” as well as distribution operations known as dispensaries.

    ACLU Asks Judge To Throw Out Med Pot Lawsuit
    Attorney Dan Pachoda said the governor has no legal basis to try to get what amounts to an “advisory opinion” on whether Arizonans can sell, buy or use medical marijuana in accordance with state law without running afoul of federal anti-drug statutes. He said only when a medical marijuana user, seller or cultivator is charged with violating federal laws will the issue be “ripe” for a court ruling.

    Medical-Marijuana Advocacy Group Sees Loophole
    The memo does warn that those who “facilitate” large-scale medical-marijuana production are violating the federal Controlled Substances Act.

    • DdC says:

      US Decrees That Marijuana Has No Accepted Use

      The Coalition for Rescheduling Cannabis filed its petition in October 2002. In 2004, the DEA asked the Department of Health and Human Services to review the science. The department recommended in 2006 that marijuana remain classified as a dangerous drug. Four and a half years then elapsed before the current administration issued a final denial.

      “We have foiled the government’s strategy of delay, and we can now go head-to-head on the merits,” said Joe Elford, the chief counsel for Americans for Safe Access and the lead attorney on the lawsuit.

      “When I was a kid, I inhaled frequently. That was the point.”
      ~ Barack Obama

      “I smoked pot but “didn’t inhale,”
      ~ Bill Clinton

      Crackdown on Medical Marijuana Ahead?

      Drug-policy reformers are worried about a new Obama administration memo instructing federal prosecutors on how to deal with the growing number of medical marijuana dispensaries.

      So what does the new memo sent out to U.S. attorneys say?

      It’s called the Cole memo. It reiterates that all marijuana is illegal under federal law. They say that clearly federal resources should not be used to go after patients and their caregivers. They also say that any very large-scale operations — multimillion-dollar operations — will be prosecuted even if they are operating legally under state law.

      Stepping back from medical marijuana, has there been much of a shift from the Bush to Obama administrations with “drug war” policy more broadly?

      I was pleasantly surprised by the first 18 months of the administration. Obama made three explicit promises during the campaign. He said the feds would not go after medical marijuana facilities operating legally under state law, and he appeared to make good on that. He said the crack-powder laws needed to be rolled back, and they got a major reform of that law last year. Third, he said he would support federal funding for needle exchange, and they did support the efforts in Congress on that. Since that time, it looks more and more like the drug czar’s office has been captured by the drug warriors and the anti-drug fanatics who dominated policy-making in the Clinton and Bush administrations. The rhetoric coming out of the drug czar’s office is almost indistinguishable from the rhetoric of past administrations. The personnel they’ve been hiring, and the people they talk to, are overwhelmingly those who have been associated with the failed drug war policies of the past. And meanwhile the Justice Department seems to be getting more and more engaged in enforcement of marijuana laws in ways that really make no sense as a matter of [the] responsible [use] of resources.
      ~ Ethan Nadelmann

      Profound Hatred for Democracy

      In the process, the usual democratic expectation for the media — diversity of ownership and ideas — has disappeared as the goal of official policy and, worse, as a daily experience of a generation of American readers and viewers.
      Corporations That Own Our Media

      A Press Release from the Law Offices of Michael Kennedy 7-13-00
      DEA formally asked the Department of Health and Human Services to conduct “a scientific and medical evaluation of the available data and provide a scheduling recommendation” for marijuana and other cannabinoid drugs. This DEA request of HHS means that the DEA has for the first time made its own determination that sufficient grounds exist to remove marijuana from Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act (CSA). Schedule I is supposed to be limited to hard drugs with addictive propensities and with no legitimate medical usage.
      D.E.A. Confirms Grounds To Remove Marijuana From Sched#1

      No matter how far you have gone on a wrong road

      “To accept drug use as an undeniable cultural reality,
      and not an individual manifestation of criminality,
      is a step in a the right direction.”
      – Britta Van Dun, Eymet, France

  6. palemalemarcher says:

    I’m disappointed but not surprised. Once again we have accorded her and her ilk yet another opportunity to promote her resume for her next gig with the public service private sector revolving door. The issue is actively advancing on our dole the aspirations of the pain caucus, making sobriety into unilateral disarmament. It is distasteful to have to sit around like decorative dummies as her or any one of them spouts yet another bromide of poisonous anecdotes.

  7. Chris says:

    Just got a serious new job. Waiting a little bit to celebrate…

  8. Eridani says:

    The interview with Nadelmann was good. It was good to hear applause from his comments. Though Maher made a douchy move by mocking his cough then cutting the interview as he was about to finish his last point.

  9. DdC says:

    Thinking Policeman are the problem. This should be an oxymoron. If cops enforce law then what’s to think about? If the laws are not clear then they are not law. If there are no victims or even complaints then the crime is for fund raising or bonuses. Fringe bennies with confiscations, forfeitures and snitch labor for future crime fighting. Ya right, fighting for the Koch Bros for profit private prisons and Califano Please Bargain Rehabilitations.

    The Thinking Policeman: A Police Officer’s Blog/comment
    The Ramblings of a Police Inspector about Crime and Punishment, Law and Disorder, Paperwork and Bureaucracy. I also happen to be an armchair philosopher. ‘I moan, therefore I am a Policeman.’

    “Don’t do Drugs kids… or You’ll get Ugly”

  10. ezrydn says:

    You know your opponent is IGNORANT when they attempt to differientate “drugs” from “alcohol,” which is also a drug. However, they’re too brain dead from years of acceptable drinking to realize the fallacy of which they speak.

  11. Ethan Nadelmann pussed out when given a chance to bash Obama’s record on drug reform. Is anyone really surprised?

  12. Notsure says:

    Obama is on the ropes, between the economy, the wars, and the lack of a budget he is feeling the heat. This play is classic, get tough on crime rhetoric.

    Basically, Obama isn’t going to open himself up to even more criticism over drug reform with everything else going on. He knows he will piss off drug reformers in the democratic party, but what does he care about that? it’s Not like they would vote Republican or something, so this is the safe play.

    • darkcycle says:

      Yeah, he’s right they won’t vote Republican. But they ain’t gonna vote for HIM either. Obama’s lost his base already, and he’s gonna lose the election because of it. And they don’t seem to be aware of it (or more likely, they don’t care, he’ll just win like his predecessor by rigging election counts all over the country. I mean, gee, he’s done everything else Bush did…).
      I can’t find any “democrats” up round hereabouts willing to hold their noses and vote for him again. Everybody I know is talking third candidates and wishing there were some way to vote for them here in Washington. See, the elections here are rigged from the git-go. It should surprise you that some lifelong democrats are going to willingly void their votes by sending them to write in candidates here, where they know those votes will not even be counted. But that’s where we are now, so that’s what’ll happen.

      • dt says:

        But what if the Republicans nominate someone like Bachmann – total authoritarianism for individuals but libertarian for businesses? It’s such a bad ideology I would still support Obama. If the Republican were someone like Gary Johnson or Ron Paul, I’d probably vote Republican for the first time. But the standard Republican is just a tool of the greedy who uses religion to mobilize a large number of people.

        There has been a broad political consensus on drugs for a long time – it’s the one thing that all of the 20th century’s statist ideologies could agree on. Take the power of drugs away from the individual and give it to the state. While Obama’s Secret Service code name is “Renegade,” you don’t actually get to the presidency by being a renegade. You get there by conforming to expectations. What the drug reform movement has to do is change the expectations – make it so that legalization is actually a populist way of empowering the people, which is what it would be absent all the ridiculous propaganda from the 19th and 20th centuries about alcohol and drugs.

  13. allan says:

    to say cannabis has no medical use only adds to their profile of insanity. As oft been said, none so blind as those who refuse to see.

    And remember the Bennett y Califano oped in the WSJ? 4 good letters in response, posted at MAP’s DrugNews (2 from the MAP LTE Squad):

    Ralph “LTE Guru” Givens, http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v11/n442/a03.html?397

    That silver tongued Texan, Jerry Epstein, http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v11/n442/a04.html?397

    From Pete’s part of the country, Steve Stanek (3 letters in MAP archives), http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v11/n442/a05.html?1281

    and one from WA, Kim Covington, http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v11/n442/a06.html?397

    Nice example of an opinion page slice-and-dice… the high dollar value comments section. MAP long ago figured that a letter in the opinion pages is worth about $1,000 in advertising (if an equivalent column size ad were to be bought) and over the years all our letters have provided nearly 32 million bucks worth of free anti-WOD space in the world’s newspapers and magazines. Those aren’t Soros dollars, those are ord’nary folk dollars (though I somehow doubt many of us are “ordinary”).

    If you couldn’t guess, this is another pitch for support for MAP (and no one at MAP asked me to do this, I do it because I fucking love my MAP). Sure other orgs may occasionally do some flashy shit (and little of real substance) or have a fancy magazine or a big staff and a big (relative) budget, but for well over a decade MAP has been a rock, the Half Dome of drug policy reform. With over 225,000 articles archived in the DrugNews archives MAP has no equal, in any realm of politics. MAP is volunteer driven, always has been. Many of those volunteer editors and newshawks and letter writers have been at it for many, many years (and we’ve lost good folks who literally fought ’til their last breath). A solid, dedicated group of true patriots, these folks operate on less than a shoestring. If you can afford it, please donate. Keep MAP operating. If you can’t afford to donate money… donate time. Write a letter-to-the-editor. Better yet, challenge yourself and write a letter a week… or while you’re out and about on the wwweb and you come across a quality drug policy related article, newshawk it for us (Herb can’t catch ’em all;).

    Well, that’s my seasonal MAP pitch, thanks for tuning in.

  14. Ingrate667 says:

    Thinking Policeman? Damn, that must really hurt.

  15. newbie says:

    Is anyone really surprised? The Drug War is the ultimate jobs program for cops, chemical dependancy professionals etc and they are going to continue to tell whatever lies they have to so they can protect their jobs program.
    It’s very disapointing but hardly unexpected.

  16. allan says:

    yeah, the drug war is this culture’s sacred icon. Anything gets a pass if it’s about d r u g s…

    Trash the Constitution? Hey! it’s the “drugs exception.”

    Prisons overflowing in the land of the free? Hey! It’s all that “drug related crime.”

    Cops bashing down doors and shooting poor black grandmothers (or black labrador retrievers, welsh corgies, etc, etc, ad nauseum) on falsified or flimsy warrants rubber stamped by some local judge? Hey? If they weren’t guilty they’d have nothing to hide.

    Cops terrorizing kids with dogs and guns (see Goose Creek Raid)? Hey! We’re doing this FOR the kids.

    Lies as legitimate policies? Hey! Drugs are bad, mmmkay?

    Policy studies and positive research buried? Hey! see above

    And it’s guaranteed… that should we ever get a boot stuck in that cracked door, there will be some emergency to refocus public attention…

    This kind of collective idocy/blindness does not bode well for humanity as a continuing populous life form.

  17. thelbert says:

    right you are Allan. this country has been choosing the wrong path for over a century. snd now the effects are starting to be obvious.

  18. newbie says:

    I guess it’s okay as long as they are doing it “for the kids”. What utter hogwash. Lets put mom and dad through the ringer “for the kids”. Lets teach our children to lie,cheat and steal so they can be upsatnding citizens like us.
    I rarely even get high but if I feel like doings so I should be able to get it and use it without fear of Nanny putting me over her knee. There should be no social stigma and there most certainly should not be a bunch of jack booted thugs telling any of us what we can and cannot put into our bodies, Fast food will be the next banned substances unless youR corporation is big enough to pay off our elected “non” representatives. Then the mom and pop outfits will be run out of business all for the sake of the children,
    Maybe we can flip that argument on them. No more wars of any kind “FOR THE CHILDREN”

  19. Duncan20903 says:

    Nebraska? No fucking way!

    So what has me annoyed for the last few days is the Compassionate IND program. How the heck did George the 42nd manage to shut down that program? I know why he did it, because PLWA’s get significant relief from cannabis and the the queers were going to expand the program’s patient rolls by several orders of magnitude but its just now struck me to wonder how the hell they had the authority to shut it down since it was implemented because of Bob Randall winning his lawsuit in 1976.

    Hey, you know we really could call Mr. Randall the father of medicinal cannabis.

    • Duncan20903 says:

      PS it just struck me that some might think calling people queers is inappropriate. Back in the DC Normal days we worked a substantial number of actions in partnership with Queer Nation, and they were “reclaiming” the word. The benefit of reclaiming the word is that you strip power from your haters because the word ceases to be hateful. The haters can’t insult you without your permission. Unfortunately it didn’t seem to work out the way they had planned which is why I feel the need to explain myself.

      • darkcycle says:

        You can relax, Duncan. Most of the queer folk I know use it as a badge of honor, and Dan Savage’s original write-in column in the Seattle Stranger was called “Hey Faggot!”
        As for George’s shutting down the IND program? Yeah, it was probably illegal, but since he did it, and got away with it (like every other illegal action he undertook), we’re screwed. Hell, the entire drug war is illegal and unconstitutional. The original vote that banned Marijuana was probably illegal, because the bill’s content was hidden from committees that had authority over cannabis, like agriculture.
        One would be hard pressed to find any aspect of the WOD that was legal, let alone rational. The IND program, Judge Young’s order that marijuana be re-scheduled, the “drugs exception” (that would have our founding fathers in a lather..they used the term “Inalienable” because it is the strongest english word avalable. And when they said it, they meant “inalienable” and nothing less.), the WOD?…it’s a self-perpetuating crap machine.

      • Windy says:

        darkcycle, the word T. Jefferson used in the DoI was “unalienable” not “inalienable”, I once read a description on the distinction between the two words (tho I cannot now recall where I read it), “unalienable” is definitely the stronger of the two.

  20. Tony Aroma says:

    I’m no lawyer, but a couple of things occurred to me regarding the DEA having control over the classification of controlled substances.

    The first is the obvious conflict of interest. The DEA makes the laws that the DEA enforces. The DEA’s entire raison d’être is to enforce laws against Schedule 1 controlled substances. So there is zero incentive for the DEA to remove any substance from Schedule 1 as that would impact their bottom line. Especially since they don’t have to answer to anyone for their decisions or behavior.

    Second, since when are non-elected officials permitted to make laws? I thought legislation was the province of the legislative branch of our government. Michele Leonhart was appointed by the president, as was the Attorney General. When did we start giving presidential appointees the power to make decisions that affect the laws of the land?

    Seems to me, not being a lawyer, that either of these would be more productive grounds for a lawsuit than trying to win the DEA over with facts and science. Especially since it’s been well established that science has nothing whatsoever to do with drug policy.

    • darkcycle says:

      Ah….congress has the authority to author and pass laws. One of the laws they passed as a result of the depression and the new deal was one that granted STATUTORY AUTHORITY to the then new “regulatory agencies” (FDA, USDA, HHS, etc.). They realized that without granting these agencies authority to write regulations and enforce those regulations, they would be very busy passing laws, and would therefore have no time for expensive overseas golf junkets and schmoozing with fat cats for donations. As a result we have the current patchwork of regulations, redundant authorities and all the expensive bureaucracy that goes along with the ability to fleece the people by demanding licenses for anything and everything.
      There ya go Tony. That’s it in a nutshell.

      • Pete says:

        Additionally, Congress specifically wrote in provisions for changing schedules of substances in the Controlled Substances Act, and put the DEA in charge of the procedures. It can, of course be appealed to the courts and that’s what will happen next.

        The DEA creates the procedures with a lot of internal appeal processes and other delays to try to prevent it from going to the courts, but they were pretty much out of procedures to throw at the petition, which is why they published this at all (other than it also conveniently tying in with the DOJ letter.

  21. allan says:

    Here comes the Show Me state:

    Show-me Cannabis has submitted two initiatives to the Missouri AG, the Missouri Cannabis Constitutional Amendment
    and the Missouri Cannabis Statutory Amendment:


    • darkcycle says:

      It’s doomed. Missouri is still in the stone age.

      • Duncan20903 says:

        Be that as it may, it’s a sign of nationwide progress that people are even willing to tilt at windmills in flyover States.

        Lots of stuff happening nowadays which back in the early 1990s just wouldn’t have happened. Shit back then all we got was ignored. Just the fact that they’re excoriating us is net progress for people that were active back then. Christ on a crutch, we would have creamed ourselves if we got to see an article in Time magazine like the one they published today. Had the Seattle Times come out for re-legalization in 1991 I think it likely that our heads would have exploded.

        I’ve got a video of one of DC NORML’s last actions in the summer of 1994 and was shortly before I resigned because there was no fucking way re-legalization was going to happen. I think I’ll post up a link to it in a while because because it consisted of feeding cops and their sycophants bar-b-qued chicken. It needs context so I’m not going to just post a link.

        Then again WTF did I know? One of the major reasons that I quit had to do with this fellow names Dennis Peron, a guy from California with this hare brained idea of putting something called “medical marijuana” on the California ballot and NORML’s decision to back him. Really, how the heck would that work to get recreational use re-legalized? Often wrong, never in doubt, that’s me.

      • darkcycle says:

        So…you disagree? Doomed is doomed. I know the “show me’s”, lived there too, once. Whatever PR this is worth, there or anywhere else, this is doomed in the State of Misery.
        The giant sucking noise that will announce the State of Missouri pulling it’s collective head out of it’s collective ass has not occurred yet.

  22. darkcycle says:

    Yeah…that too. That’s why this is a victory of sorts. They dragged thier feet for as long as they possibly could, now Michele can drag her ass into court and try to prove that malarkey to a judge.

    • Leonard Junior says:

      We need someone to attack her credibility in its balls.

    • Duncan20903 says:

      DC, do you mean like they proved it to DEA administrative law Judge Francis Young in 1988 who ordered cannabis rescheduled? To quote John Lawn, “Orders? We don’t take no steenkin’ orders, we’re the DEA!”

      • dt says:

        Exactly. The same thing happened with MDMA. The DEA even lost in the federal appellate courts, but all they had to do was change the wording in their official denial.

      • darkcycle says:

        Yeah, just like judge Young. How long do you think this sort of behavior can be upheld in the court of public opinion?
        Judge young’s opinion was only the first brick.
        This next ruling will be the second. All the while thousands more are using medical cannabis and the lie gets thinner and thinner.
        You thought that maybe I thought that this was the end? C’mon Duncan, I’m more jaded than that!
        What it will do is move the ball just a little further down the field.

  23. Tony Aroma says:

    “Additionally, Congress specifically wrote in provisions for changing schedules of substances in the Controlled Substances Act, and put the DEA in charge of the procedures.”

    No, they didn’t. The CSA put the Attorney General in charge of changing schedules. The AG has since delegated that authority to the DEA (is that even legal?). Which still looks to me like a conflict of interest. Might as well delegate the power to schedule controlled substances to the private prison industry.

    • darkcycle says:

      However it happened, the foxes are in charge of the hens. And they’re not about to give up that fat gig willingly.

  24. mollusk says:

    Imagine my surprise that it wasn’t rescheduled, wouldn’t want to upset the cash cart known as the drug war. Tricky Dick Nixon is laughing amongst the flames right now.

    • Duncan20903 says:

      Sometimes those people surprise you. I really thought Carl Olsen was wasting his time suing the Iowa Board of Pharmacy who had declined to hear the petition to reschedule cannabis. I was shocked that after hearing the petition because they were ordered to do so by the Court that they did a 180 and voted 6-0 that it should be moved to schedule II becoming the first State BoP to recognize cannabis as a valid medicine. Carl has proven to me that sometimes you will mortally wound the windmill.

      (Please remember that all the States do their own scheduling and use the same system as the Feds)

      • allan says:

        remember… Oregon’s pharm board rescheduled as well and we’re keeping the pressure on them because we feel that their shifting to Sched 2 was kinda weak-kneed.

        And thanks Duncan for pointing to the Time article…

        … methinks we’ve wounded the beast and it’s a wound that won’t heal, but will remain painful and only worsen. Putrefaction is not a pretty thing. Those tending to become queasy may not want to watch.

        Bricks are falling! Keep those hammers swinging! Hardhats (and heads) required.

      • Duncan20903 says:

        Allan, yes Oregon’s BoP did reschedule, and Iowa’s only recommended but I see the Iowa BoP’s action as being the much more powerful example. First point, the Oregon legislature ordered the Oregon BoP to reschedule. They gave them their pick of any except schedule I so their deciding on schedule II isn’t that impressive. It’s the Iowa BoP’s illegal refusal to consider the petition, subsequently hearing the evidence only because they were court ordered and the 180 degree change in attitude that was caused by hearing the evidence that’s such a powerful staement to me. I’m sure you know what would (or did) happen when the DEA is ordered to hear the evidence. “All right, we listened, declined, next!”

        Did you know that the Maryland BoP has agreed to reschedule? Maryland’s nascent attempts to medicalize cannabis are frustrating and hopeful at the same time. The most impressive part being that the Maryland delegate championing the effort actually has the letters M.D. following his name. Damn impressive CV as well. Frankly so impressive it makes me wonder how he had time for anything else, like showering and sleeping much less raising a family and legislating. Seriously, it wouldn’t shock me if it came out that he made up half of it. I’ve no basis for expecting that for any reason other than that there are only 24 hours in a day.

        I wish someone would tell me why California’s BoP hasn’t even considered it.

  25. Duncan20903 says:

    I often wonder how people that think that synthetic dronabinol is “pot in a pill” never wonder why potheads don’t go to doctors offices for a Marinol® prescription. All those dispensaries and ‘recommendation’ mills, all those oxycodone “pill mills” and in 34 years of enjoying cannabis I still only know of one guy that went out and got a script, and whaddya know, that was me. I still have 4 of the suckers and everyone that knows me says that proves it isn’t “pot in a pill” because I sure wouldn’t have them almost 2 decades later if it were.
    It’s always fun to go look up “facts” promoted by a Know Nothing. It seems that while bicycle theft is a problem in Amsterdam there are less than 10% of the number quoted by “The Lying Policeman” above. It seems he’s tripled the number of bikes owned as well. It sure isn’t hard to tell when one of these people is lying.

    The motto of the Know Nothing prohibitionist is “never let the facts get in the way of disseminating an effective piece of hysterical rhetoric” and our new policeman friend is evidently an adherent.


  26. Duncan20903 says:

    I’m lucky I didn’t land on my head and end up brain damaged when I read today’s article about medicinal cannabis in Time magazine.

    U.S. Rules Marijuana Has No Medical Use. What Does Science Say?

    “Not only does this decision conflict with state laws, however, it also conflicts with a 1999 report by the Institute of Medicine (IOM), the branch of the National Academy of Sciences charged with answering complex medical questions for Congress. Way back in 1999, the IOM said:

    Scientific data indicate the potential therapeutic value of cannabinoid drugs, primarily THC, for pain relief, control of nausea and vomiting, and appetite stimulation; smoked marijuana, however, is a crude THC delivery system that also delivers harmful substances.

    Despite the issue of smoking marijuana, the IOM said that medical use of the drug is acceptable when other alternatives have failed.

    Since the IOM report was released more than a decade ago, the evidence for the medical benefits of marijuana and related drugs has continued to increase. In the last three years alone, cannabinoids have been found to help kill breast cancer cells, fight liver cancer, reduce inflammation, have antipsychotic effects and even potentially help stave off the development of Alzheimer’s disease and reduce progression of Huntington’s disease.


    I must say I think that this is the first time I’ve heard anyone say that Federal law is in conflict with State law rather than vice versa.

    Today’s article does have a comments section. Time to give them the business fellows.

  27. Servetus says:

    NIH funded research just published in the Journal of Studies on Alcohol and Drugs has concluded that some college athletes smoke marijuana because they find it pleasurable. Still another reason college athletes use marijuana is to reduce stress factors during the game season.

    Wow! After 74 years of futile U.S. marijuana prohibition, who would have thought weed could be pleasurable or stress reducing? Other than the 120 million Americans who have smoked it?

    Our tax dollars are hard at work, educating the NIH community on the obvious, and giving prohibitionists bogus ammunition to fight their pointless drug war.

    Press Release: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-07/joso-amh071111.php

    Journal Article: http://www.jsad.com/jsad/article/Risk_of_Marijuana_Use_in_Male_and_Female_College_Student_Athletes_and_Nonat/4592.html

    • Duncan20903 says:

      They claim that it causes ‘amotivational syndrome’, but they never explain how an amotivational, lazy pothead could hold the NBA record for scoring the most points in his career, by having scored in excess of 6000 points more than Michael Jordan. He also holds the league record for being named the season MVP the most times in his career having won that honor 6 times.

      Kareem Abdul Jabbar was arrested for the first time for petty cannabis possession in 1972 in Denver where he had traveled to engage in a basketball game between the Milwaukee Bucks and the Denver Rockets. Coincidently Mr. Jabbar won his second league MVP for the season award in 1972.


      It’s well known that Mr. Jabbar is a card carrying patient claiming the protection of the California Compassionate Use Act (CUA) and the Medical Marijuana Program Act (SB-420), and has been claiming that protection for more than a decade. His claim of protection today is unfortunately due to having leukemia. It’s really nice to find out that he beat the cancer.


  28. frank says:

    hey what does script percocet 7325 #15 mean

  29. frank says:

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  30. frank says:

    hey what does script percocet 7325 #15 mean
    can someone please telll me i have bad shoulder just got script thanksss for your time

    • Windy says:

      It’s a prescription for 15 tablets of Percocet, which is pain medication containing an opioid (a synthetic opioid, I believe).

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