What about the children?

So, one of the big pieces of recent news was this:

Teen Marijuana Use Not Linked to Later Depression, Lung Cancer, Other Health Problems, Research Finds

Chronic marijuana use by teenage boys does not appear to be linked to later physical or mental health issues such as depression, psychotic symptoms or asthma, according to a study published by the American Psychological Association.

Researchers from the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center and Rutgers University tracked 408 males from adolescence into their mid-30s for the study, which was published in Psychology of Addictive Behaviors®.

“What we found was a little surprising,” said lead researcher Jordan Bechtold, PhD, a psychology research fellow at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. “There were no differences in any of the mental or physical health outcomes that we measured regardless of the amount or frequency of marijuana used during adolescence.”

This, of course, is the best kind of research, as it actually tracked young people over the course of many years, and controlled for other factors such as cigarette smoking, health insurance, etc. (Note: in this particular study, only boys were tracked.)

For years, now, the federal government, led by science-impaired NIDA, plus all the prohibitionists, have claimed that we can’t consider legalizing marijuana for adults because it will inevitably mean more use by teens, leading to all sorts of damage.

Of course the actual truth is that there is no evidence that legalization for adults results in increased use by teens, and now this study shows that the purported dangers of teen use are dramatically overstated.

The same thing happened with the Chicken Little claims of highways devastated by stoned drivers.

Of course, as some of our commenters have pointed out, this is no surprise to us.

It’s just another variant of “where are the bodies?”

Teens have been smoking pot for a very long time, and there should be hard and obvious evidence of the negative impact by now, if the danger was anywhere near what was claimed.

Oh, and by the way, here’s the amazing thing — the Daily Mail actually covered this!

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102 Responses to What about the children?

  1. DdC says:

    This must be what it was like for slaves outside of Confederate states who weren’t freed by Lincoln and the war powers act. Not until Congress finally got around to it in the 1880’s or so. They actually brought back runaways. So now we know. Plus we know they know. Yet the Lynch mob of justice will continue to act as if we are not free until Congress deems it so. Kids will still die and parents will still lose their houses to forfeiture and jails will stay full.

    Kids in Uncivilized areas will continue having seizures. Organs will be denied and college bound kids will be rejected for tuition assistance. A trillion dollars in taxes was stolen by Nora and NIDA and another will be stolen in the name of protecting the kids. So now the Daily Mauled can re-write their own past pseudo science and stop persecuting people. ah ha…

    I was raised on Pittsburgh suburban coal dirt pot since a teen, but no one ever tested me. I think if memory serves the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center is where Cyril Wecht was Allegheny County Medical Examiner in past decades. First known for questioning the Warren Commission report on the Kennedy assassination. I think he retired. But he was an Ally in the fight to free the weed. Happy his students are being objective in their research.

    The mythology of marijuana
    Let’s get past the propaganda and allow doctors to prescribe marijuana, argues forensic pathologist Cyril Wecht and…

    Dr. Wecht In Support Of Medical Marijuana In Pa.

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  3. thelbert says:

    eventhough i’m not declared free by the congress i think i’ll keep acting as if i were free until apprehended. i’m betting that i will die before they catch me disobeying their stupid laws.

  4. DdC says:

    I heard it was outlawed. Streeeange people eh?

    I think it might make kids think about things that would prove the adults were lying hypocrites looking out for their own asses using kids as a shield to hide behind.

  5. Servetus says:

    After 8,000 years of medical and recreational use by humans, no one has yet to find anything significantly wrong with marijuana, or hashish. This should be a hint, or a question that’s applicable to inductive logic.

    The anti-hedonist crowd hate pot—but they suck anyway; authoritarian twits, no sense of humor, and so forth. Religionists suck as well, those who see drug experiences competing with their own schtick. Politicians hate it because they think pot causes people to lose respect for authority. They’re absolutely correct—but it’s their own nefarious doings that result in disrespect. Respect is earned, not ordained.

    The lack of physical and mental damage from marijuana is overwhelming, so it becomes necessary to manufacture a false toxicology—enter the NIDA.

    Eighty centuries is a long time. Long enough to co-evolve with a plant, or at least become symbiotic with it in some way. The popularity of marijuana cannabinoids and terpenoids is evidence the chemicals provide a supplemental benefit to anandamide, the body’s own cannabinoid. Whereas anandamide is mere Chopsticks, the complete cannabinoid spectrum gives us Mozart’s Piano Sonata in C. People might have heard the music sooner, had not prohibition intervened.

    • Frank W. says:

      You can always count on the clickbait industry to piss on the parade:
      The Medical Marijuana Industry Could Be in Big Trouble If This Study Is Accurate
      I’ll assume you don’t have Adblock and give you you spoiler:
      In short, the researchers’ primary claim is that while medical marijuana does offer promise in some indications, it’s been inaccurately labeled as a cure-all drug when compared to previous study data.

  6. jean valjean says:

    “Training Officers to Shoot First, and He Will Answer Questions Later”

    One more way that profiteers benefit from drug-war corrupted law enforcement:


    When I first glanced at this I thought it was about SWAT invasions:

    “A lot of home invasions seem to revolve around someone smoking marijuana, young college kids tying to supplement their income,” he said. “We get a half-dozen every year where they invite regular city kids over and next thing you know, their door is getting knocked down and they are getting robbed.”


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  8. Servetus says:

    PROPAGANDA ALERT: NIDA researchers are willing to do or say anything to give their marijuana studies a negative spin. In this case, it’s the UNIVERSITY OF PITTSBURGH SCHOOLS OF THE HEALTH SCIENCES that wants us to believe that “Places with more marijuana dispensaries have more marijuana-related hospitalizations”.

    What’s a marijuana related hospitalization? According to the researchers, it’s anything you think it is, as long as it’s considered “abuse or dependence of marijuana”:

    Aug. 10, 2015 — Dr. Mair and her team looked at data on California hospital discharges that had either a primary or secondary medical code for marijuana dependence or abuse with at least one overnight hospital stay. The research covered 2001 through 2012, the most recent years for which consistent data were available.

    Hospitalizations with marijuana abuse or dependence codes increased from 17,469 in 2001 to 68,408 in 2012. More than 85 percent of marijuana-related hospitalizations were coded as abuse, rather than dependence, and 99.2 percent were secondary codes, meaning the person was primarily hospitalized for something other than marijuana.

    When the research team mapped the location of marijuana dispensaries and cross-referenced it with the ZIP code of each patient’s home, they found that each additional dispensary per square mile in a ZIP code was associated with a 6.8 percent increase in the number of hospitalizations linked to marijuana abuse and dependence.

    Apparently, the NIDA considers any kind of marijuana consumption to be “drug abuse”, including medical use. The increasing legality of marijuana in various states that include California most likely indicates that as time goes on people feel more comfortable revealing to the hospital admittance staff or their physicians that they take a toke now and then. Only the idiots associated with NIDA grants appear concerned about it.

    • jean valjean says:

      “…99.2 percent were secondary codes, meaning the person was primarily hospitalized for something other than marijuana.”
      Really? What about the 0.8% who, according to the hospital, were hospitalized for “marijuana as a primary cause.” What exactly were the symptoms? Giggling too much perhaps?

    • thelbert says:

      of course they figured out the addresses of all the pot vendors working out of their homes and cross referenced that in too. if we could make biogas out all the BS that NIDA generates we wouldn’t need any nuke plants.

    • DdC says:

      Places with more marijuana dispensaries have no more marijuana-related hospitalizations than other places
      99.2 percent were secondary codes, meaning the person was primarily hospitalized for something other than marijuana.

      .8% were sent by freaked out parents and teachers.

  9. claygooding says:

    The real clincher is the infinitesimal number of victims that may possibly have any of the supposed problems with cannabis use,,especially when compared with alcohol and tobacco use.

    After contemplating for the day I have not come up with any evidence that any harms the US government has claimed marijuana causes is happening.

    For 8 decades.

  10. DdC says:

    I wonder if they read the comments here?
    Bout time they held the BSers accountable.

    Marijuana activists want police to retract ‘misleading’ marijuana statements
    Chris Christian, director of the Wyoming chapter of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, says the police group is disseminating out-of-date and slanted information about marijuana.

    Christian says that’s “deliberately misleading.”

    She has created a petition on MoveOn.org calling for the police group to retract their “untruthful statements.” The petition had 150 signatures as of Friday, and Christian says she’ll deliver it once they’ve collected 500 signatures.

    Marijuana Overdoses Kill 37 in Colorado On First Day of Legalization

    Pot Turns Man Into Bat
    Part of the reason that the government has been so ineffective in stopping people from using marijuana just might stem from the ludicrous, biased and often racist arguments it used to make the plant illegal in the first place.


  11. Will says:

    Now — “What about the infants?”

    GW Pharmaceuticals Receives FDA Fast Track and EMA Orphan Designations for Intravenous Cannabidiol in the Treatment of Neonatal Hypoxic-Ischemic Encephalopathy (NHIE)


    “NHIE and Perinatal Asphyxia are forms of acute or sub-acute brain injury due to asphyxia caused during the birth process and resulting from deprivation of oxygen during birth (hypoxia). The incidence of these conditions is estimated to be approximately 12,000 to 24,000 cases per year in the United States and EU combined. Of these cases, 35% are expected to die in early life and 30% may suffer from permanent disability. The current standard of care for perinatal asphyxia patients is to induce whole-body hypothermia. This treatment is only available in specialized neonatal intensive care units and must be started within 6 hours of birth. Even if a patient is put into induced hypothermia there is still a significant rate of morbidity and mortality, with a meta-analysis of the available data revealing a 27% death rate. Among the patients who survive, 28% suffer from major neurodevelopment issues and 26% develop Cerebral Palsy.”

    • darkcycle says:

      U.S. government already owns the patents to cannabiniods for use in neuroprotection and neurogenesis.
      Oh. That would only mean they gave those rights up to GW, at a pittance. What do you think the chances would have been had, say, you, or me, or Pete had asked for the rights to use those patents? Me thinks rather than get the rights, we could have expected a visit from DEA.

      • Will says:

        “U.S. government already owns the patents to cannabiniods for use in neuroprotection and neurogenesis.”

        Yes, I thought about this after reading the press release.

        And I also thought about these things;

        “The current standard of care for perinatal asphyxia patients is to induce whole-body hypothermia”.

        What does this tell us? That will all the amazing advances in medical science and the myriad of pharmaceuticals available, the accepted standard of care is to lower the infant’s body temperature. That’s it. Of course, this is to hopefully stop any further brain damage from occurring, it does not heal what has already been damaged.

        “Even if a patient is put into induced hypothermia there is still a significant rate of morbidity and mortality, with a meta-analysis of the available data revealing a 27% death rate. Among the patients who survive, 28% suffer from major neurodevelopment issues and 26% develop Cerebral Palsy.”

        Again, inducing hypothermia is the one and only last ditch effort to minimize damage. Yet, even if the damage is halted and the infant survives, there remains significant chances of major neurodevelopment issues cropping up over time.

        Then my mood darkens a little (actually a lot). How many parents have had children whose lives started out with perinatal asphyxia and were given the news that there was painfully little that could be done for their child? Sorry. Except…

        Except that now — in 2015! — a well known cannabinoid is suddenly being fast tracked by the FDA and granted EMA Orphan status as a possible treatment option to not only mitigate damage from perinatal asphyxia but also to possibly repair and heal. Part of GW Pharmaceutical’s press release is, it seems, intentionally vague;

        “GW believes that cannabinoids may have a potentially important role in the treatment of high need pediatric neurologic conditions.” [emphasis added]

        Fast fast tracking by the FDA is not handed out like candy. There has to be more to this story that mere “belief”. Back to that US patent awarded in 2003 perhaps?

        Then I start thinking (again) of the names of those who’ve spent their lives demonizing the very notion that cannabis has any “medical” attributes — names such as Sabet, Volkow, Sembler, Walters, Tandy, Bensinger, Leonhart, Barthwell, Thurstone, DuPont — jeez, the list is quite long, I’ll stop taking up space listing them. All the lying and obstruction. Those f*cking people.

        • DdC says:

          The list of (cold blooded premeditated murderers) is quite long. If we only a Justice System. Well then the killing of innocents wouldn’t have started in the first place.

          “From time to time, I say that the suppression of medical marijuana is murder. This is not quite correct. It is actually mass murder. It has caused the deaths of countless thousands of people.”
          ~ the Financial Times Limited, 1998

          Cannabis Shrinks Tumors: Government Knew in 74
          ☛ The DEA shut down all cannabis/tumor research.
          ☛ Gerald Ford ended all public research.

          ☛ List of brain tumor patients who died due to Safe Streets Alliance gossip.

          Drug Worriers preferred methods of treatment…
          Epileptic seizures: Aptiom (eslicarbazepine acetate)

          Who’s Really Fighting Legal Weed
          ☛ 3/4th of a Century of Gossip and Gutter Science
          ☛ A Very Lucrative Evil Hoax
          ☛ Only 13% of the medical schools surveyed
          mention the endocannabinoid science to our future doctors.

          Note that’s “mention” GanjaRx. None of the Med Schools teach students, future doctors. Censorship is the same result as illiteracy.

        • Windy says:

          If prohibition of cannabis had never occurred, my middle grandson would not have the brain damage he has “due to asphyxia caused during the birth process and resulting from deprivation of oxygen during birth”. His prefrontal lobe was damaged leaving him with no impulse control, which caused his raising to be particularly difficult for my daughter and her ex. He has genius level intelligence and at the age of 15 he is finally learning to control his impulses consciously. They had him in brain entrainment for a number of years when he was in elementary school, didn’t help, they tried a whole lot of other ways to help him that also didn’t work, his parents had almost given up hope, when he began to change. His sister was the first to notice the change a few months ago, now we all can see it. But he (and we) never would have had to go through all that had cannabis treatment been available at his birth.

        • hope says:

          Dang it, Windy. I’m sorry. I just look at my hands and can’t believe it. They look normal but they don’t work exactly right.

      • Duncan20903 says:


        We currently hold an exclusive license with National Institutes of Health (NIH) for the Commercialization of U.S. Patent #6630507, “Cannabinoids as Antioxidants and Neuroprotectants”

        Oh well, it’s only been theirs for 4 years. I reiterate my opinion that 6630507 is commercially worthless and that the only reason that Kannalife licensed the patent is to give themselves a patina of legitimacy. It makes it much easier to sell overpriced, worthless stock to the gullible. For details see “a fool and his money.”

        Don’t worry, except for the fact that I’d call it a conspiracy of interests, not an overt conspiracy, I have no doubt that the Federal government has smiled down at GW Pharm. I expect the FDA to approve Epidiolex about 30 seconds after the ink dries on the phase III trials, probably January of 2016. I’ve believed that since the first time I saw the brand name Epidiolex® Something gave the GW BoD the confidence to move the company (except the farm) to the United States. That’s no small feat and the company is directed by idiots without the confidence that things are going to happen in its favor. But if the Dravets’ babies hadn’t discovered that cannabidiol is an effective medicine none of this would be happening. But the pragmatic reality is that the Feds couldn’t and still can’t afford to let those children become the poster children of medicinal cannabis. (Shhh, the FDA/DEA is directed by idiots and this is just the desparation of people who “know” that they’ve lost but can’t admit it even to themselves.)

        I don’t think that I’m ever going to be able to understand the way the DWR regulars appear to feel about GW. The pie is large enough for both sides to put themselves in a sugar induced coma but by and large both sides are hell bent not only winning but seeing the other side lose. Both sides appear to be willing to let sick people suffer more than is humanly possible to avoid in order to accomplish that end. That’s just bad joojoo.

        Back in the late 1990s a permabull named Abby Cohen from Goldman Sachs would get trotted out on CNBC whenever the economy had a hiccup. She repetitively used the metaphor of an air craft carrier as the American economy saying you just can’t make a ship that size turn on a dime. Often she would be followed by a permabear named Bill Gross who reminded the audience that they said that the Titanic was unsinkable and that re-arranging the deck chairs is a waste of time.

        But the point I’m trying to make is that her air craft carrier metaphor is spot on and applies to a lot more than just the economy. E.g. American (some) drugs policies and shared manias about those (some) drugs. It takes time, effort and planning to change the direction of something that large, especially when the ship’s captain is a blistering idiot.
        Off on a tangent: Even more remarkable is it appears that they’re still dancing the same dance. Bill Gross Told Goldman’s Abby Cohen That Her Forecast Was ‘Farcical’ At Barron’s Roundtable The sad part is they’re both richer than god almighty. Smart people like them should know that bears make money, bulls make money, but pigs get slaughtered. Well maybe it’s what they think of as fun, I don’t know. But over 2 decades worth?

    • DdC says:

      GW stocks + $478.50 today. That buys a couple oz of Gorilla Glue.
      Fucking capitalist!

      • Duncan20903 says:


        You’re still an idiot. LSE stocks are priced in Pence Sterling. That would be £4.785 if you weren’t lost in lala land. Here, try it in USD: http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=GWPRF&ql=0

        It’s how our economy works moron.

        • DdC says:

          I copied the price from my Wells Fargo account in dollars asshole. You back starting shit with me?


          Symbol: GWPH Last: 112.18 Change: Up 8.69 +8.3969%

          8.69 x 50 = 434.5 now

          GWPH 10/06/2014 50.000 $112.180 â–²8.69 $5,609.00 $434.50 8.397%

  12. joe minella says:

    “Where are the bodies?” That’s perfect. That should be our mantra.

  13. Servetus says:

    No one is safe from the evils of prohibition.

    William Shakespeare gets busted for drug paraphernalia and cannabis residues. The evidence was found buried in the Bard’s garden.

    Evidence of smoked Peruvian coca leaves was also discovered, c. 17th century England, but the two crack pipes containing coca residue were not found in Shakespeare’s garden.

    Science Publication pdf here.

    • Duncan20903 says:


      It’s not exactly new news:

      Did Shakespeare Puff on “Noted Weed”?

      National Geographic March 1, 2001 edition.

    • DdC says:

      Did Shakespeare Smoke Cannabis? 11/06/00

      ☮ 08 August 2015
      Was William Shakespeare high when he penned his plays?
      Pipes with cannabis residue were found in the Bard’s garden

      ☮ July/August 2015 pdf
      Shakespeare, plants, and chemical analysis of early
      17th century clay ‘tobacco’ pipes from Europe

      ☮ November 02, 2000
      Smoke Without Fire – Book Review

      ☮ The Bard and Dope – November 06, 2000
      Was This Such Stuff as Dreams Were Made On?
      * Words and their meaning Ethan Russo, MD
      * Bard With A Bong? Reputation Takes A Hit FoM
      * Let’s not forget our contemporaries! kaptinemo

      ☮ February 02, 2001
      Cape Colony Founded On A Pipe Dream?

      ☮ March 01, 2001
      Pipes Show Cocaine Smoked in Shakespeare’s England

      ☮ March 1, 2001
      Did Shakespeare Puff on “Noted Weed”?

      ☮ American High Society Nov 27 01

      ☮ Club des Hashischins 1844 to 1849

  14. allan says:


    from the Prohibition Oops! file:

    Phila. judge overturns 158 convictions tied to rogue narcotics cops

    Public defender Bradley S. Bridge estimated that Friday’s total brings to 560 the convictions involving the seven officers that have been vacated since they were indicted by a federal grand jury in July 2014.

    More are on the way.

    Woods-Skipper set another hearing for Oct. 30, at which an additional 40 convictions are expected to be reversed. And Bridge estimated that his office has finished reviewing only 40 percent of convictions involving the six acquitted officers.

  15. DdC says:

    California, Medical Cannabis and Killing the American Dream

    Martial law has already been declared in California. Armed government agents maraud door-to-door upsetting households, destroying private property and trampling on constitutional rights. Unmarked SUVs loaded with machine-gun toting commandos materialize out of nowhere, daring innocent civilians to make one false move. Decent, hard working men and women are shanghaied, their children spirited off to foster homes, their weapons, bank accounts and other assets seized.

    • kaptinemo says:

      An old saying goes, “Justice is what we deserve! Mercy…is in not getting it.

      ” On the eve of what appears to be a nationwide relaxation of marijuana laws, the state’s law enforcement community is vying for one last fix, and just like any junkie, it doesn’t care who gets hurt along the way.”

      Been saying they’d do this for years. Prohib LE knows their days of legal smash-and-grab are drawing to a close, and they’re getting their last licks in, forgetting about the inevitable social, and therefore, legislative backlash. Fighting amongst themselves for the scraps, like vultures hissing and flapping at each other over a carcass, not caring how it looks to those who bought the meat. But only for so long, as that public backlash of disgust with Drugwar tactics is getting stronger.

      Proof of that backlash is already evident, courtesy of reformers and their allies in Congress holding the hooves of once-sacred DrugWarrior cows to the fire. For the first time, the beef is being separated from the BS…and Congress is seeing what we knew all along: that there’s damn’ little meat left, and what’s left is contaminated.

      But this won’t stop what’s happening; that will have to run its course. The wholly predictable – and predicted – barbaric actions of some LE in the waning days of prohibition will only hasten its end…and hasten the beginning of Congressional investigations into abuses of power committed by prohibition’s agents.

      Old Klingon proverb: “Only a fool fights in a burning house!” Lotta fools in Prohiblandia: Prohibition’s house is now fully engulfed in a 4-alarm fire, but with Johnny Pee leading the bucket brigade, the prohibs within think they can put it out, if they can collect enough samples.

      Sorry, Johnny, not one drop of anything not flammable. My sentiments WRT prohibition’s conflagration can best be expressed with lyrics from a song from last decade: “The house! The house! The house is on fire! We don’t need no water, let the MFer burn! Burn, MFer, burn!”

      And let those who supported the societal cancer that is prohibition be immolated along with it.

      A reckoning of their actions is due. Long past due.

    • Frank W. says:

      Whew! You’re a great guy,DdC, but you gotta take a shower before you sit down here. Swimming in that pond left you all funky.

  16. Mr_Alex says:

    Parents Opposed to Pot is also connected to Project SAM, any denials from them is either lies:


    • kaptinemo says:

      We knew they were nothing but an ONDCP (or maybe even DEA) copy of CIA-style cut-outs. Standard Sneaky-Pete tactics to hide shady goings-on.

      Project SAM is probably acting like a Mafia ‘bagmam’ carrying for ONDCP and delivering the spoils: taxpayer-supplied monies in the form of ‘grants’ to be used against popular referenda. SOP for ONDCP. Nothing new here.

      All Cohen, Blumenauer, Gillibrand, Rand or Booker have to do to swat this pesky fly is to ask Kevvie or any SAMite under oath if Project SAM receives any taxpayer money. Let’s see Kevvie and Company do the ‘Slick Willie Shuffle’, and try to play word games when that happens.

      What’s unintentianally revealing is when you read the syllabus; you can’t help but get a general sense of desperation wafting up from it. All of the actions proposed are feverishly defensive in both nature and tone.

      From the get-go, it’s all about defense, about guerilla actions in lost territory (CO and WA), all about counter-attack.

      But counter-attacking against what? What amounts to an entire generation’s zeigeist?

      The prohibs lost the information ‘war for hearts and minds’ the first lie they told to a generation with access to alternate information sources. One that had reasons to be distrustful due to the way it was treated at school (lockdowns, searches, etc.) by the very same officials who unctuously told them it was all being done for their own good.

      Re-legalization is that generation’s revenge against those who insulted their intelligence so callously for so long. An icicle would have a better chance existing on Hell’s roof than a prohib would swaying them, now. To ignore that, to continue to use methodologies already proven useless, is to add further insult to sentience.

      The old anti-drug voodoo doesn’t work anymore. The old incantations and rituals no longer wow the crowds of former members of the congregation, as most of them are dead, and what’s left is either deaf or senile.

      The young are gathering at the Church of Cognitive Liberty and are partaking of communion there; they refuse to wear the symbolic hoodwink and anti-drug manacles of the old faith. ONDCP found that out with their Billion-dollar flop of an ad campaign aimed straight at them.

      But still the priests of the old faith gather to plot for a future that itself does not have any plans for them, save for assigning them the ignominy of historical obscurity.

      Rejoice, reformers! Here’s proof the prohibs are operating rearguard fashion. And that’s the last place you want to be in the face of a hard-driving advancing opponent…like us. Pour it on, they’re breaking.

      • Rogue says:

        Prohibs in coward/very defensive mode. Reformers in full on true bezerker mode. Hit harder. Score some criticals. I like it.

      • Mr_Alex says:

        MMYV or Marijuana Makes You Violent also made it obvious they are a another branch of the ONDCP, this is where Pete Miller, Kyle Stevens and Josh Freeman made it obvious, they teamed up with groups like Project SAM, NO2POT, Parents Opposed To Pot and last but not least the Drug Free America Foundation aka Straight Inc, their satire operation is a front, i have heard of a rumor that Christine Tatum or Christian Thurstone is connected to one of them because they treated one of the MMYV leadership for alcohol problems and another one is Josh Freeman who lives in Florida has connections to Betty and Melvin Sembler and the Drug Free America Foundation

        • Will says:

          Mr_Alex, why are you leaving out one of the ringleaders for MMYV, Zach Rhoads? Below is an FB post of his clearly demonstrating that MMYV is “another branch of the ONDCP”;

          “Ralliard wept for the welt of Cone Bazus. Chucking Chapman into the crumpled steeple before treatment for the feeble. A chosen modal for the graven page tempered and waged war upon Govy’s Chorus Shoar.”

          See? Clear as day, has ONDCP written all over it. Also clear, this young man has never “sucked on a hemp stick”.

          [Note: please be kind to Zach. Both of his parents were “slaughtered by marijuana maniacs”. Tragic to say the least. BTW, Pete Miller’s parents met the exact same fate. Coincidence? Think again.]

      • Mahatma Coat says:

        “First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, and then you win.”

        ― Mahatma Gandhi

        • Mr_Alex says:

          Marijuana Makes You Violent’s operandi is very easy a guy who i used to know on FB mentioned that their satire is actually a operation, the merchandise sales they make are not kept by them but are donated to anti Cannabis groups like Project SAM, Parents Opposed to Pot, Drug Free America Foundation, No2Pot, CADCA and etc, I have a hard time believing that Pete Miller, Kyle Stevens or Josh Freeman is innoncent as I have heard all three of them were trained by Melvin Sembler. Also on MMYV’s website their statistics are flawed or even fraudulent, they blame every thing on Cannabis.

      • jean valjean says:

        Kapt… I think this was why Botticelli was given the top job at ONDCP. His 25 years of smoozing the treatment industry and helping like-thinkers in AA to get set up in “not for profits” (which just happen to pay the directors well) are finally bearing fruit. It’s not so much What About the Chilluns now, but What About the Addicts… after all it’s for their own good, isn’t it? Don’t you just love these EX-addicts like Pat Kennedy and Botticelli wanting to continue caging non-problematic consumers because THEY have a drug-problem?

        • kaptinemo says:

          Jean and friends, I saw this coming back in 1999, with Barry McCaffrey beginning the call for ‘treatment’, and, following in his predecessor’s footsteps, now works for the treatment industry.

          And as for such as Kennedy, I can only share CS Lewis’s observation:

          “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be “cured” against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.” (Emphasis mine – k.)

          That’s how they see us. And if an animal won’t come to heel, in their eyes there is nothing wrong in killing it. As the Memorial Page shows, they’ve done plenty of that. Never forget that eugenics powered the early drug laws, as well as the attendant Social Darwinism used to justify old racial bigotries. Addicts were ‘diseased’, like chemical Typhoid Marys, or worse, vampires. All of this has been forgotten save by scholars and/or reformers.

          Ideologically, it’s like the vast, modern DrugWar apparatus has at its heart a decrepit old barn where horses walk a treadmill powering an old DC car generator that drives the state-of-the-art machinery. But that anachronism is what runs it all.

        • DdC says:

          That’s why I never toss things out,
          they always return to the scene of the slime…

        • B. Snow says:

          Go, Tell It On The Mountain brother…
          Preach it… Testify Brother Kap!

          (Slightly more Seriously, that’s my favorite C.S. Lewis quote, and in my = IDK, maybe Top 5 quotes ever.)

          And as mentioned above all their Bullshit numbers fall apart when you get them to admit that all “non-medical marijuana use” = “Marijuana Abuse”…

          And since they only grudgingly admitted Marinol was legit in the late 90’s & have ever since recent calls for cannabis as medicine = have tried to push the B.S. that only something like Sativex – is basically the only thing resembling whole plant matter cannabis = as legitimate And they’ll even consider approving for legal medical use…

          Then yeah,

          NIDA *has considered* any kind of marijuana consumption to be “drug abuse”, including medical use.

          Because = they hadn’t managed to synthesis some “Pharma-juana” crap (like Marinol) that actually works as well as smoking some herbs, or even more recently – vaporizing it!

          Just like Dr.Grinspoon suggested years h years ago for Dr’s that couldn’t bring themselves to prescribe/advise a patient to “smoke” anything Especially if it comes with a bit or alot of euphoria as a side-effect – Nevermind all the other sorts of side-effects they’re okay with…
          “M.F.er’s” indeed.

    • Mr_Alex says:

      @Will, MMYV should be forced to prove what they are saying, that goes for Zach Rhoads, Pete Miller, Kyle Stevens and Josh Freeman, they are nothing more than shills for the ONDCP, their website used to have a few graphs where they mentioned Alcohol, Prescription Opitaes, Tobacco and etc caused 0 deaths and that Cannabis caused deaths and they should be forced to answer for their actions on why their merchandise profits goes to Anti Cannabis Groups like CADCA, Drug Free America Foundation, Project SAM, Parents Opposed to Pot and etc.

      • Will says:

        “MMYV should be forced to prove what they are saying…”

        Not sure how you force proof of satire. But I like the idea (in a twisted sort of way). Except, I’ll bet the folks at The Onion are thinking, “Wait, whaAAT?!”

        On that note, can you prove their merchandise profits are going to the organizations you list? I’ll bet those profits are going to their dank hemps of choice. Those rapscallions! But if you have info otherwise, please enlighten. Thx.

        • Mr_Alex says:

          You might want to talk to the people who run MMYV is a Fake on FB known as Marijuana Makes You Violent, the hoax


        • Will says:

          Mr_Alex, you made the claim and you want me to “talk” to some other Facebook page? With all due respect, you keep hammering away at MMYV — a satire site for crying out loud. Maybe you should talk to Marijuana Makes You Violent, The Hoax, and report back to Pete’s blog and let us know what they know about where MMYV’s merch profits end up. Thanks in advance.

      • DdC says:

        Alex. Smoke a joint and remember that marijuana makes you violent, makes you violent.

        U.S.: They Can’t Be Serious:
        ‘Marijuana Makes You Violent’ Group Raises Eyebrows
        A mysterious, shadowy organization called Marijuana MAKES You Violent (MMYV) has been spreading anti-cannabis propaganda all over the Internet, with a Facebook page, a Twitter account, and a YouTube channel. But as is obvious to anyone but the most literally minded among us, it’s a spoof.

        Students Part of Anti-Marijuana Group MMYV onwardstate.com
        “Both of my parents were slaughtered by marijuana maniacs, and I just want to see the madness stop,” Rhoads admitted. ” [Marijuana] is responsible for 100 percent of violence throughout the entire course of human history.”

        Marijuana Makes You Violent michiganmedicalmarijuana.org
        We’re a a group that has done hundreds of studies, with dedicated and highly-trained scientists working on peer-tested reviews. We’re not just making this up, and we’re not stupid.

        1 Do Not Toke
        Toking marijuana will result in immediate death.
        2 Do Not Inject
        Injecting marijuana will result in immediate death.
        3 Do Not Eat
        Eating marijuana will result in immediate death.

        Is the “marijuana makes you violent” page satire? reddit

        Given the impossibly and needlessly large sample size of their “survey” and the posts that were made in response, I’m gonna say this is satire. It seems to be a great example of Poe’s Law.

        Facebook ‘No Marijuana’ Campaign snopes
        The message is just a hoax. The joke appears to have originated on the Marijuana MAKES You Violent Facebook page, which reads like a satirical or troll site with outrageous messages condemning partakers of marijuana.

        Achmed the Dead Terrorist behind the operation of MMYV

  17. allan says:

    who knew? Turns out I’m hurting drug policy reform efforts. Now I know it’s time to retire:


    • Frank W. says:

      I checked your page and you’re gone! Do I contact your soul by writing your name on a rolling paper and smoking it? Or is Satan involved? I can swing that too.

      • allan says:

        I think it’s because I have my FB set for “friends”

        In brief, I been dumped on by Howard W and it’s bugging the shit out of me.

        • darkcycle says:

          We. We were dumped on. In a very confusing exchange that had nothing at all to do with the topic at hand as well. Seems Howard suddenly dislikes potheads and the use of the term “herb”. For no clear reason.

        • allan says:

          indeed… I was being selfish. WE were dumped on. It did inspire this: #stonedlivesmatter

    • claygooding says:

      I booted Howard a few months back because of some of his misinformed opinions,,IMO,,he doesn’t think the pharmaceutical companies are behind the continued prohibition of marijuana because he said they would welcome the new products and produce better,,or something to that effect,,as if they have not been trying to unlock marijuana since 1942 when it was taken off the shelves,,,medicine they were producing removed from the markets and not a peep of protest as far as I know..

      • allan says:

        what bugged me was the use of stoner as a pejorative. I’ve felt that sting before (always somebody to hate ya when being an activist for most anything) so it shouldn’t bother me as much as it does. Like I’ve been doing this all these years so I could sell pot to 12 year olds…

  18. darkcycle says:

    Here’s something…All those Armored vehicles and MRAPs that were ordered….ever wonder at the rationale for them? What was it the departments wanted them for? Hostages? Terrorists? Stand offs with armed Gerbils? Well, here you can find out. Guess what? (Spoiler alert) Most rationale cited drug law enforcement. 25% cited marijuana specifically. 7% cited marijuana EXCLUSIVELY.

    • darkcycle says:

      BTW, I have stopped using “tiny URLs” for any but the longest web addresses. I find I like a little more information on where a link is sending me before I click it, and I imagine you folks do as well. I’ve been diverted to nonsense I would have never looked at had I seen the web address.

      • DdC says:

        Good point. DC you know you can label the links.

        The problem I’ve found, maybe? Not for sure why. But at http://tinypic.com/ Pics seem to disappear sometimes if too not politically correct.

        Allan they shut me down on 2 FB’s due to monikers. When they changed formats apparently. Now they want your proper id and length of your oldest pets toenails. I prefer G+ for an ammo dump but socializing is weird. I find myself on others “circles” and a few on mine somehow, but then 36,776 views?

        I get a lot of info at Twits too.

        Yuku is still free to store stuff.

        • darkcycle says:

          The problems have come from links to “Diply” and other trash-filled sites that crash my Firefox browser. It has nothing to do with content. I like to see WHERE I’m going, before I go there.

  19. Will says:


    Yeah, DEA, you’re still feeling pretty smug and secure these days. Just like your former counterparts in Israel probably did before the door hit them in the …;

    Israeli Anti-Drug Authority Being Disbanded

  20. claygooding says:

    Chasing the “big bust”,,the bust that earns their agency possible millions in seized property and funds,,the war on marijuana has become the “Wheel of Fortune for law enforcement.


    Sheriffs are asking for armored vehicles for the war on marijuana.

    If you are going to fight a war on drugs we must be outfitted as a warrior.

    Excuse me while I puke.

    • Duncan20903 says:


      Wow, how can you blame them? I want one too! That would be hella kewl dude!! Where do I go to pick one up?

      Oh never mind, the liability insurance would probably be over the top even after considering that there’s no need for comprehensive. C’est la guerre.

  21. Servetus says:

    The classic, all-time stupid anti-drug commercial featured a woman frying an egg in a skillet just before she swings the frying pan and trashes her entire kitchen with it, all the while exclaiming, “This is your brain on drugs!”

    Well, it turns out the frying pan analogy was a bit closer to reality than drug propagandists suspected. Research at the University of Montreal indicates the “high-fat” content of the eggs “can cause impairments in the critical motivation brain pathway”. From the news release, “This is your brain on fried eggs ”:

    July 14, 2015 — High-fat feeding can cause impairments in the functioning of the mesolimbic dopamine system…This system is a critical brain pathway controlling motivation.[…]

    “Our research shows that independent of weight gain and obesity, high-fat feeding can cause impairments in the functioning of the brain circuitry profoundly implicated in mood disorders, drug addiction, and overeating – several states and pathologies that impinge on motivation and hedonia,”… “Another key finding is that the effects of prolonged high-fat feeding to dampen the sensitivity of this brain reward system are specific to saturated fats – palm oil used in this study – but not monounsaturated fat such as the olive oil used in this study.” […]

    Fulton’s study is the first of its kind to show that, regardless of weight changes, unrestrained intake of saturated fats can have negative effects on the controls of motivation by the brain. “As we were able to control for changes in body weight, hormones and glucose levels, we think that the fats may be affecting the dopamine system by a direct action in the brain,” Fulton said. “We in fact have separate evidence that brain inflammation could be involved in this process, as it is evoked by saturated high-fat feeding, which will be presented in a future publication.”

    There you have it. Marijuana is healthier for people than fried eggs.

  22. Nunavut Tripper says:

    OT Prime Minister Stephen Harper commonly known as the Dictator of Canukistan has proclaimed that Canadians don’t really want legalized marijuana.
    Hmmm…I didn’t know that. Thanks Stevie


    • Windy says:

      Not free, being on parole is still a form of incarceration.

      • DdC says:

        Freaky Injustice System, 3 strike, MM, MaxCap, Gag rules, “Jawohl, Herr Kommandant” “prior and persistent drug offender” said the Klinton’s Kangaroo Kourts in 1996. McCaffrey’s Treatment years. How much in taxes is the cost of 22 years in a maxsec prison. $35k $50k? WTF, 1,100,000.00 frickin dollars! Same state with riots and rampant racism. Shooting kids in the back, front, dying in squad cars or jail cells or shot lying on the ground. Sitting in Missionary airplanes or holding their babies at home. Granny’s in their beds. Forfeit the house, shoot the dogs and foster off the kids.

        Roided out cops shooting questioners first. Now they get tanks? Con-promises refusing to enter into reality. So brain warped to believe their own bullshit and justify their cop outs and out of control cops. Someone, presumably American. Sat down and convinced others that it would be morally and ethically alright to cage an American for life with no chance of leaving alive. For selling what they deliver and is paid with a CC in civilized places. In the same country.

        Why do we have to put up with insane people writing insane laws? Parole is as ludicrous as life in this instance. A lesser evil than a cage. For a non crime to be permitted and perpetuated by jellyfish leaders. Jeff should be granted a full pardon and given restitution for his time spent. The idiots lobbying for these laws should foot the bill. Plus the cost of truly false imprisonment, kidnapping and slavery. The religionists wanted us back in the 50’s and the prison industrial complex ablidged.

  23. Mike says:

    The Diane Rehm show today at 11 will be on policing.

    On Thurs it will be on synthetic marijuana.


    • jean valjean says:

      If the past is any guide Diane will be correct with “policing,” and completely naive and spouting whatever DEA tells her in regard to so called “synthetic marijuana.” Just noticed that Leonhart’s successor, Chuck Rosenberg is on. She needs to ask why he won’t instantly remove this dangerous substance by legalizing actual cannabis.

      • Frank W. says:

        And that’s how I lost interest in public radio. Being constantly infuriated by “naive” hosts who work for a Corporation. Still the last best choice for talk radio.

    • DdC says:

      Damn it! There is no such thing as synthetic marijuana. Bath salts, spice have nothing to do with cannabis. Synthetic cannabinoids/diols are not synthetic marijuana. It does not exist outside of the world of low life people hater propagandist’. Call it what it is, not what they title it for a fear factor. Garbage.

  24. claygooding says:


    “”There is no scientific evidence to suggest that cannabis has the same addictive potential as heroin.
    Scientific research has found that less than 1 in 10 people who use cannabis across their lifetime will progress to cannabis
    dependence, meaning that more than 90% do not become addicted (Anthony
    et al., 1994). The lifetime probability of becoming heroin-dependent, meanwhile, has been estimated at 23.1% (Anthony et al., 1994).
    Interestingly,the addictive potential of cannabis is also significantly lower than other illegal drugs, as 20.9% of lifetime cocaine users, 22.7% of lifetime alcohol users, and 67.5% of lifetime nicotine users are estimated to become dependent
    (Lopez-Quintero et al., 2011). “” ‘snip’

    In one paragraph they have destroyed the rehab industry’s scaremonger,,SAM’s bought research on the addictive dangers of marijuana use.
    When in truth they believe it is OK to throw over 90% of the people that will not be bothered by marijuana use into rehab through the court system.
    That is the reason anyone that supports marijuana prohibition is being paid to oppose reform or so brainwashed they may need to seek help.

    • kaptinemo says:

      I especially like the way they are presenting the prohib arguments – and their proponents – and demolishing both so easily.

      CLAIM: [Cannabis] is a drug that can result [in] serious, long-term consequences, like schizophrenia.” – Kevin Sabet, Smart Approaches to Marijuana

      A claim which is neatly torn to shreds:

      ” If cannabis use caused schizophrenia, we would expect to see increases in incidence as rates of cannabis use have increased, but this trend has not been observed (Hall, 2014). One UK-based study reported that, given that cannabis use has increased fourfold among the UK population between the early 1970s and 2002, there should be a corresponding 29% increase in cases of schizophrenia among men, and 12% increase among women between 1990 and 2010 (Hickman et al., 2007). Instead, during this time period (1996-2005), it was found that annual cases of schizophrenia in the UK were either stable or declining (Frisher et al., 2009). These findings strongly suggest that cannabis use does not cause schizophrenia

      Occam’s Razor fillets prohibs effortlessly when it’s allowed to. Cuts right through the bullshite to the bone.

  25. Mr_Alex says:

    It seems Parents Opposed to Pot are now accusing Cannabis users as being Nazis, they are now accusing Cannabis users as celebrating Hitler’s birthday

    • kaptinemo says:

      I keep saying they’ll go crazy.

      That’s it. I don’t believe it. They Godwinized themselves. Drew weapon, aimed at own feet, fired.

      My, how accommodating. Now if we can just get them to aim a little higher…

      Not all the nuts are in the trees, not all the loons are in the lake, because at Parents Opposed to Pot, the rest are on a break.

      • Mr_Alex says:

        The actual quote:

        A Reader on our Blog wrote this: “So Colorado has its two worst, horrendous mass murders, Columbine and Aurora, within a span of a bit over a decade. All three perpetrators had a history of marijuana abuse since adolescence- the period scientifically proven when marijuana has its most adverse affects on a developing brain.Nevertheless, the State of Colorado votes to legalize marijuana anyway. Then the Holmes trial begins. So of course it makes sense to avoid the touchy subject of marijuana at the trial. It’s the equivalent of confessing: ‘We Coloradans just had the two worst heinous crimes in our State history- possibly as a result of mind altering, psychoactive marijuana. Yet we decided to legalize marijuana anyway and probably did just about the stupidest thing in the history of the world. And not only that, we love marijuana so much, we even celebrate it on 4/20, the same day as our Columbine massacre which also occurred on April 20th, and the same day as Adolf Hitler’s birthday!’

        • DdC says:

          OK Alex, you brought the stank, now you have to clean the couch! You know its bullshit when it starts off “a reader on our blog”. They can’t read. Dumbass shitkickers are proud of their blind faith and illiteracy.

          Parents opposed to potatoes was sitting on a park bench. Eying little girls. With bad intent. Snot running down their nose. Greasy fingers smearing shabby clothes. Drying in the cold sun. Watching as the frilly panties run. Feeling like a DEA duck. Spitting out pieces of their broken luck.

        • Will says:

          Just to expand, other important historical occurrences on April 20th. A few chosen highlights;

          295 – 8th recorded perihelion passage of Halley’s Comet

          1611 – First known performance of Shakespeare’s tragedy Macbeth at the Globe Theatre, London recorded by Simon Forman

          1777 – New York adopts new constitution as an independent state

          1836 – Territory of Wisconsin created

          1888 – 246 reported killed by hail in Moradabad, India

          1910 – Cleveland Indians Addie Joss 2nd no-hitter, beats Chicago, 1-0

          1957 – 61st Boston Marathon won by John J Kelley of Connecticut in 2:20:05

          1970 – Bruno Kreisky becomes 1st socialist chancellor of Austria

          1974 – Paul McCartney & Wings release single “Band on the Run”

          1991 – 1st non stop flight Schiphol-Flamingo airport Bonaire

          1993 – Uranus passes Neptune (once every 171 years)

          And on and on.

          I’ll stop there. You see, rope smokers and Hilter don’t own 420. Not by a long shot.

          [Note: fact is, 420 was originally a time, not a date]

        • Frank W. says:

          Will: Hilter has nothing to do with 420, just an unsuccessful coup attempt in North Minehead he tried to pull off with Mr Bimmler.

        • Will says:

          Frank W: The only association is Hitler’s birth date, 4/20/1889. Which, of course, has nothing to do with cannabis.

        • Duncan20903 says:


          Will, I take exception to the assertion to the assertion that the fans of cannabis don’t own 4/20. We’ve stolen it fair and square and we’re not giving it back.

          Do you realize just how difficult it is to steal a date from the calender much less establish that date as an international holiday? Yes, yes, I know it isn’t officially recognized but myself wouldn’t have it any other way. It’s SOP that authorities don’t/won’t recognize anything we accomplish.

        • allan says:

          and as we all know, it’s 4:20 somewhere every hour. So become an international toker – because sharing is what we do!

          I mean, you go to a tavern, you don’t ask the guy next to you at the bar if you can have a slug of his beer right? But if it were a weed bar, it’d be like “sure mate, ‘ere puff on this.”

    • Hope says:

      April 20, 2001 Peru

      Veronica and Charity Bowers

      They don’t mention that. When prohibitionists murdered an innocent woman and her child. Among other atrocities they committed that day.

  26. DdC says:

    Parents Opposed to Potatoes? Parents for frying pans! They also bake 4 and 20 blackbirds in pies. 4 and 20 years ago Morning comes to sunrise and they’re driven to their beds. They see that it is empty and there’s devils in their heads. They embrace the many colored beast. Then grow weary of the torment, can there be no peace? And Parents Opposed to Potatoes find themselves just wishing that their lives would simply cease.

  27. cy klebs says:

    The NY Slimes still requires pre-employment drugs screening.

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