Keeping us safe from hackberry bushes

Another in the lost list of incidents of law enforcement not knowing (or apparently caring) what marijuana actually is… and doing so with extreme prejudice.

The Ridiculous Warrant Application Behind a Fruitless Marijuana Raid. A Texas cop was sure those hippies were growing pot on their farm

I would say the raid was fruitless, except that the code enforcement officers did uproot and cart away a bunch of hackberry bushes.

Why were the cops so sure that the Garden of Eden was a front for drug trafficking? Because it was a bunch of fucking hippies growing stuff, so of course they were growing marijuana. As detailed in a federal lawsuit filed last month by Eaker and four other victims of the SWAT raid, the justification for this armed invasion was not much stronger than that.

You know, sometimes I hear police (or apologists for current methods of policing) say that the kinds of judicial reform that many of us seek will tie the hands of police officers and make it harder for them to do their jobs.

What job? When you see things like this – and we do way too often – it doesn’t look like a job. A “job” presents the image of training, procedures, skills, intent to further an appropriate goal, and so forth. This looks more like your dog sniffing around the floor putting everything in its mouth that its nose touches in the hopes that it might be a scrap of food that fell off the table.

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55 Responses to Keeping us safe from hackberry bushes

  1. DdC says:

    This isn’t a first for the Garden.
    Teckas cops have short term memory loss.
    FL to LA via Omaha

    Texas Police Hit Organic Farm With Massive SWAT Raid 08/18/2013

    OK, this is weird. Looks like Jacob is reporting on the 2013 raid.

    The police seized “17 blackberry bushes, 15 okra plants, 14 tomatillo plants … native grasses and sunflowers,” after holding residents inside at gunpoint for at least a half-hour, property owner Shellie Smith said in a statement. The raid lasted about 10 hours, she said.

    • kaptinemo says:

      Takes 10 hours to root up vegetables?

      Too many donuts.

      And too much bulk from steroids.

      Which are clearly affecting judgement, as they made the same ‘mistake’ again.

      The ‘vessels of power’ forget they are mere containers of something loaned to them by the very people they are attacking now. Their social and political cover now resides in cemeteries, and the new boss is not the same as the old one they could BS and get away with it.

      Drug prohibition has been on auto-pilot since 2009; the backlash against it has been building ever since what I believe was the tipping point. The train’s engine is faltering, the speed only being maintained by inertia.

      And for you hopeless historians like me, I’ll throw my hat in the ring and say I believe the tipping point signaling the beginning of the end of cannabis prohibition was the Mike Phelps incident.

      The collective public yawn from the 18-50 crowd WRT that was what made me say that our time had come…and look at what’s happened since then.

      The prohibs are undeniably on the defense. Their rearguards (like Project SAM) are being cut to pieces socially and politically even while they try to reconstitute and re-camouflage.

      And being a very obvious minority that held power far out of proportion to its actual numbers, a minority now identified as the source of enormous suffering, a minority whose influence was destructive and whose maintenance can no longer be justified, is having its protective camouflage and armor stripped away on every level

      Stripped away…in what is becoming a political duck hunt full of highly accurate and motivated hunters.

      (Wiping down rhetorical shotgun) I’ve been waitin’ a looooong time for this. But you have to use the right call.

      Opened beer cans, farting sounds or other rude noises won’t do, however; you have to scream something stupid like “Just say no!” or “Pot makes men grow boobs!” or other such horseshite to get them to break cover and flock to you. Then you can blast away with double-ought facts and take them out. They’ve become so accommodating of late.

      On second thought, it’s not a duck hunt; it’s a turkey shoot. A domestic turkey shoot. Have fun!

  2. jean valjean says:

    Here’s another of those b.s. police “jobs”

    How long are ordinary Americans going to continue to have their tax dollars wasted by these pretend, make-work cops?

  3. Servetus says:

    The raid of the Garden of Eden by the Texas SWAT team seems a perfectly reasonable action to take—for Texans.

    For one, the word “commune” sounds a lot like the word “communist”. And “Garden of Eden” is an obvious reference to the serpent that tempts children to smoke marijuana. The bamboo and other tall plants could have provided cover for any anarcho-syndicalists hiding there.

    Big businesses might have prompted the raid. Monsanto has a business interest in condemning organic farming, as such operations don’t use RoundUp® or GMO seeds. And the whole concept of an organic, communal garden flies in the face of the capitalist imperative that demands we purchase all our fruits and vegetables from Big Ag. Even Michelle Obama got into trouble with Cargill when she planted a garden on the White House grounds.

    In Mexico, oil companies and Canadian mining interests bribe corrupt Mexican officials to employ dangerous, frightening, bogus drug raids conducted in the dark of night, and designed to drive indigenous peoples off their land. Once vacated, the companies exploit the land for oil and minerals without compensation to those who once lived there. Busting the Garden of Eden could have been similarly motivated. Some Texas oil bigshot might have wanted to take over the property and turn it into something non-organic, like a parking lot.

    All of this sounds fantastic, and it is, until one reads about the union busting that went on in the US at the beginning of the 20th century. Bogus and unprovoked law enforcement attacks on union members and union leaders took a very similar pattern. In some cases, attacks included assassinations of strike organizers, such as Carlo Tresca, who was gunned down in New York in 1943.

    Those having any business in the Garden of Eden should be aware their lives may be in danger from Texas cops because hippies are growing stuff there.

    • Duncan20903 says:


      Wasn’t the horse mint incident in Corpus Christi, Texas?

      The event that gave me certainty that prohibition is in the process of imploding was Alaska voters approving that State’s regulated re-legalization initiative on Election Day 2014 while they were busy electing every Republican that crossed their field of vision.

      OK, that’s overstated but there were 55 politicians elected that day. 18 of them were Democrats with 12 of those 18 Democrats running unopposed. Alaska is so Republican that the Democratic Party endorsed Gov. Walker. The only reason Mr. Walker ran as an Independent was because he couldn’t get the Alaska Republican Party nomination. Small caveat, the Lt. Governor is a Democrat but I didn’t count him in the numbers I posted above. Neither did I count the Lt. Governor’s election as a race.

      When I apply Ockham’s Razor it leads me to to the interpretation of this raid that by and large Texas cops are just plain stupid.

    • Windy says:

      Do you know anything about the “goon squads”? My maternal grandfather did, one of those squads put him in the hospital because he was a self made man, a “jack of all trades”, and he opposed unions. Even though he worked alone, never had any employees, he was nevertheless against anyone being forced into a union, and he was VERY outspoken about it.

      Someday, you should read about the kinds of damage those “goon squads” did to people and businesses. People who support unions want to forget about those activities by unionizers back then, and want to believe unions are a good thing. They can be a good thing, in the private sector, as long as membership is wholly voluntary and choosing not to join does not result in being fired or driven off the job. Public service unions (teachers, firefighters, cops, bureaucrats, etc.) are very bad for the taxpayers and even the strongest defenders of private sector unions opposed unions for government employees, FDR for instance.

      “Goon squads” were originally groups of violent thugs who would beat up anyone opposed to certain labor unions and corrupt political machines.

  4. Mr_Alex says:

    I am going to add to the fire on the prohibs, I sent Parents Opposed to Pot a few photoshopped photos of Karl Donitz, Hermann Goring, Himmler and even Field Marshal Walter Model and Rommel using Cannabis, lets see if they shoot themselves in the foot again

  5. DdC says:

    Marijuana is Much Safer Than Alcohol and Tobacco, So Stop Asking
    Though attitudes toward marijuana legalization are undoubtedly shifting, there are still a lot of Americans who can’t let go of the myths purporting the ‘dangers’ of cannabis. And those attitudes are still being pandered to, in large part from conservatives — most notably Republican presidential candidate and governor of New Jersey, Chris Christie.

    Texas police haven’t stopped searching people’s private parts in public for marijuana
    Even after state lawmakers told them to stop, Texas police haven’t quit searching people’s private parts — in public — for marijuana.

    Granola bars contain hemp seeds, Army warns

    Snacking “Strong & KIND” may put extra protein in your diet, but could also put you in danger of failing a drug test, the Army says.

    The protein-focused line of increasingly popular KIND brand granola bars contains hemp seeds, according to both the Army and the company’s website.

    The Army thinks the seeds used in the “Strong & KIND” line — which can contain low levels of tetrahydrocannabinol (aka THC, the active ingredient in marijuana) — could trigger a positive drug test.

    KIND spokeswoman Stephanie Peterson noted in an emailed statement to Army Times that the seeds come from plants with far less THC than the species of cannabis used to make marijuana. The bars adhere to U.S. Department of Agriculture testing standards, and have a THC level of 0.001 percent, she said.

  6. Servetus says:

    The hackberry tree is used in many Texas towns and cities to line city streets. Its leaves are distinctive, and do not resemble marijuana. The marijuana leaf is an iconic image in America and throughout the world. Yet the Texas police were unable to distinguish a few young hackberry trees from marijuana?

    I call BS. The cops couldn’t find a dog to shoot, so they uprooted the hackberry trees instead.

  7. What a sham. I think it is easy to make an argument that alcohol, tobacco, and poor diet cause far, far, far, more damage and cost to society than weed and most recreational drugs.

    What if they told people that they couldn’t buy donuts if they were too fat or did something else that had a far more positive impact than stopping people from smoking dope? People would be up in arms. “The government can’t tell you what to eat!” they would scream.

    But for some reason, as a society, we get so crazy over drugs.

    • Planet Caravan says:

      Very funny when those anti-dope, right-wing types say “the government shouldn’t tell me what to (insert anything except drug- or sex-related issues here). Even funnier when they call themselves libertarians. Real libertarians do exist, but they are pretty rare. Usually non-religious types, like Penn Jillette.

      • Frank W. says:

        Just finished reading Len Deighton’s “Horse Under Water” from 1963 and here’s a line that sticks out:

        “You can’t help envying these narcotics sleuths. The governments of the world are so keen to prove themselves blameless that, far from asking awkward questions about firearms, they will steady your gun elbow while you’re firing.”

        Deighton’s always been pretty sharp about the wicked world, though that same book says (in 1963!?) “reefer” would be legalized in 5 years.

      • Windy says:

        Real libertarians are NOT “pretty rare”, though many former libertarians (like me) have evolved to free market anarchy also known as voluntaryism. We’ve realized Lysander Spooner was right, the Constitution failed to limit the government, and that a limited government will never remain limited, so we’ve realized the goal must be NO government and a totally voluntary society where EVERY interaction between people MUST be voluntarily accepted by ALL participants. No force, no aggression, no coercion allowed, period!

    • DdC says:

      Yes it is Carlos,

      How America’s Middle Class Dug Its Own Grave

      What a sham.

      Ah, but a trillion dollar sham.

      A very lucrative hoax…
      A $Trillion spent on the Ganjawar is a $Trillion in the Pockets of Prohibitionists.

      I think it is easy to make an argument that alcohol and poor diet cause far, far, far, more damage and cost to society than weed and most recreational drugs.

      Most recreational drugs, or all are done under prohibition, the actual cause of the harm. Ganja is not a drug. THC is a supplement of the endoCannabiniod System.


      Tobacco is proving the same about prohibition causing more harm. 500 years of use in the western cultures without incident until they started adding chemicals for your smoking pleasure in the 20’s and 30’s to this day. Creating commercial ready rolled cigarettes. Left in the shadows while scap goating tobacco. Leaving the poor with higher prices to buy generic brands with even more chemicals. More harm done in the process.

      What if they told people that they couldn’t buy donuts if they were too fat or did something else that had a far more positive impact than stopping people from smoking dope?

      Obesity is a multi billion dollar profit treating it. And perpetuating it. They make no profit on prevention or cures.

      People would be up in arms.

      Doubtful, most people don’t care and that is a problem in and of itself. If more people got involved and held the guilty accountable. Problem goes away. But again they profit treating problems, not solving them.

      “The government can’t tell you what to eat!” they would scream.

      They do it all the time. Most believe in authoratah and don’t question it. Trans-fats or Mercury or DDT were removed and most believe it was for the better. When they tried adding aspartame to coke people refused to buy it, at first. The government shouldn’t be telling people what to do, only what the risk are in doing something. Climbing Mt Everest is legal. Snowboarding off of cliffs is legal. NASCAR and Football are legal. War is legal.

      But for some reason, as a society, we get so crazy over drugs.

      Not enough. Just watch an hour of commercial TV and count the drug ads and the length of time it takes to read off the side effects. All FDA approved, even the recalls killing people. One huge problem is relying on politicians, cops and unknowledgeable doctors as experts. But then, the objective and profits come from perpetuating the drug war. Not doing drugs safer. If the medical schools don’t teach cannabis, how can they be experts? They are more likely to ride their laurels and fight against what they have no clue about since they were never taught. With the cost and liability most are not going to question what might get them demerits. And the beat goes on.

      Now that we can give people info on the internet. More are finally questioning. If the scale tips more to truth. More will question until Washington DC has to listen. Now its all silent. Bills die before debates. Obama could have removed it when he was elected and has chosen to ignore it and let some states pretend its legal without too much interference. That could all change next election. They have been trying to censor internet information about Cannabis in all forms since Clinton. Feinstein and Hatch have put out several attempts. Propaganda groups spew nothing but hate and get subsidized for it.

      So until we the people realize the situation is not the same as getting approval for nukes or fracking or off shore spills. It’s a way of life almost to religious zealotry. I believe its endocannabinoid deficiency after 12,000 years of supplementing the ECS, then cold turkey abstinence. The prohibitionists brains fear centers are larger. More dependence on being told what to do and where to go. Sad in a country with such a Constitution assisting our freedom. Most tend to treat it as a relic with no power. When the people lead, the leaders will follow.

      Drug Worriers preferred methods of treatment…
      Epileptic seizures: Aptiom (eslicarbazepine acetate)

      Who’s Really Fighting Legal Weed
      ☛ 3/4th of a Century of Gossip and Gutter Science
      ☛ A Very Lucrative Evil Hoax
      ☛ Only 13% of the medical schools surveyed
      mention the endocannabinoid science to our future doctors.

  8. Duncan20903 says:


    Res ipsa loquitur:

    Dr. Dan Werb named Director of the International Centre for Science in Drug Policy; wins inaugural $1.5 million Avenir Award from US National Institute on Drug Abuse

    Avenir means “future” in French and the Avenir Award supports early-stage investigators who propose highly innovative studies for HIV/AIDS or genetics and epigenetics research. According to the National Institutes of Health, recipients are researchers who show promise of being tomorrow’s leaders in the field.


    Pot isn’t all that bad: study

    Marijuana is not as addictive as heroin nor a gateway drug, a new report says, and regulating its use does no harm to the public.

    The blunt talk comes from a groundbreaking new study issued Wednesday from the Toronto-based International Centre for Science in Drug Policy, which argues anti-pot activists are blowing smoke.

    The center’s director, Dr. Dan Werb, said in the report, “More and more jurisdictions are reconsidering their policies on cannabis, yet the public discourse around cannabis is filled with frequently repeated claims that are simply not supported by the scientific evidence.”

    Stoners can celebrate because an international team of researchers studied 13 claims made about reefer use and regulation — and then went back to the original studies to repudiate the claims.

  9. jean valjean says:

    Hackberry. Not even remotely like cannabis. These idiotic (or malicious?) cops can’t even tell the difference between a perennial tree and an annual plant like cannabis. I hope the commune sue these morons and, when they win, these same cops should be ordered to do some real work in the commune garden. They should have a natural talent for spreading manure.

  10. Will says:

    Here’s a more in depth article about the Garden of Eden raid (posted April, 2014);

    The Marijuana SWAT Raid With No Marijuana

    One of the more interesting highlighted parts of the article;

    Lieutenant Christopher Cook says he wasn’t getting into a discussion about the botched raid again. “This thing has run its course,” he says, speaking to me over the phone. “We did nothing wrong as far as the SWAT raid. In fact we don’t like to use the word ‘raid.’ Sometimes you come up and you don’t find contraband you’re looking for. That’s what happened here and that led to criticism.” [emphasis added]


    So, I suspect if one measly cannabis plant had been found, it would have been a successful operation, and the word ‘raid’ would have been proudly used. But if the entire activity was unjustified from the get-go — as it was in this case — “Well, when we royally screw up, we’d rather not call it a ‘raid’, thank you very much”. And, Mr. Cook, the ‘criticism’ your department received goes well beyond the fact that you didn’t “find the the contraband you were looking for”.

    When you’re this far down the delusional rabbit hole, there is no rational thought process at work. Nada.

  11. Tony Aroma says:

    Just playing devil’s advocate, but couldn’t the cops still seize the property. After all, the “evidence” required for seizing everything a person owns is far less than required for getting a search warrant. All it takes is suspicion, maybe some profiling (damn hippies), and the police can take what they want. They clearly had suspicion, so why not just take the property and let those hippies try to get it back. Either these cops are slipping, or this unwanted publicity foiled their plan.

  12. Servetus says:

    Just south of the Late State of Texas is Old Mexico, where a much stranger and more virulent drug war is dragging Mexico into the abyss:

    Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman, the world’s most notorious drugs lord…people say he should be honoured with a monument or chapel.


    Eight months ago, Nadia Vera, a student activist and cultural worker, looked boldly into a camera lens and told an interviewer that if anything happened to her, Veracruz governor Javier Duarte and his cabinet should be held responsible. She also fled Veracruz to the nation’s capital after suffering attacks.

    On July 31, Nadia Vera was found sexually tortured and murdered, shot point-blank….

    We never see anyone in Mexico’s upper government echelons go to jail for involvement in drug smuggling. El Chapo always gets blamed instead. It’s the same in the United States. Texas bureaucrats, the prison industry, the military, all profit mightily from their drug war involvement. In a just system of law, drug war profiteers such as these would be brought up on charges of human rights crimes by an international tribunal at the Hague. It may, however, be way too late for that.

    It’s a bad sign in any country when the wrong people go to jail. It nearly always signals the beginnings of a revolution.

  13. DdC says:

    Whom can be trusted?
    Momentum Continues to Build for Historic Federal Medical Marijuana Bill

    • Frank W. says:

      I looked at that link and it’s a crazy clickbait haiku. I didn’t find the answer here.

    • claygooding says:

      When all we get is conflicting science depending on who is paying for it then it leaves the truth exposed in our history,,thousands of years of use,,at least 4000+ years of recorded medical use of cannabis and one of man’s first cultivated,,if not the first,,crops with children working the fields,practicing spear throwing with the long straight stalks and consuming the seeds and whatever the adults did,,TMK they didn’t have age limits.

      And yet nowhere in that history is any harms mentioned EXCEPT religious scare mongering and hyperbole until after the 19th century and all of it coming from one source,agencies of the US government,,until the last three decades when the ONDCP started paying other countries to join in the war on drugs and they setup their anti-drug science bureaucracy.

      Two more claims of THC killing cancer cells just surfaced and one from the NCI has to be rattling somebodies cage and it is time to start calling the government out on it’s killing it’s own citizens through cannabis prohibition.

      Conclusion: Increased expression of TIMP-1 mediates an anti-invasive effect of cannabinoids. Cannabinoids may therefore offer a therapeutic option in the treatment of highly invasive cancers.

      “”It kills cancer cells” is our new mantra,,regardless of what they claim it does,,just answer with “it kills cancer cells”.

  14. Servetus says:

    John Dean is back for the 2016 election cycle, and he’s talking about authoritarianism–this time as it relates to D. Trumpeter. Dean can always capture the quintessentials of the authoritarians. He worked for them when he was legal counsel to the Nixon Whitehouse. Here he outlines the authoritarian follower, useful for spotlighting militant prohibitionists such as the raiders of the Garden of Eden in Texas. From the article:

    …as I noted in Conservatives Without Conscience, the authoritarian followers are both men and women, who tend to be highly conventional, always…easily submissive to authority, while willing to work aggressively on behalf of such an authority. They tend to be very religious, with moderate to little education, trusting of untrustworthy authorities, prejudiced (e.g., with respect to gay marriage); they are typically mean-spirited, narrow-minded, intolerant, bullying, zealous, dogmatic, uncritical of their chosen authority, hypocritical, inconsistent, prone to panic easily, highly self-righteous, moralistic, strict disciplinarian, severely punitive; they also demand loyalty and return it, [and] have little self-awareness[…]

    Here John Dean discusses the traits of the authoritarian leader:

    Among the additional personality features, these people are usually intimidating and bullying, faintly hedonistic, vengeful, pitiless, exploitive, manipulative, dishonest, cheat to win, highly prejudiced, mean-spirited, militant, nationalistic, tell others what they want to hear, take advantage of “suckers,” specialize in creating false images to sell self, may or may not be religious….

    Authoritarians not only challenge citizens’ natural right to obtaining and using effective medicines, but they pose a serious threat to democracy overall. They are the enemies of the open society. A politician’s stance on recreational drugs is the ultimate litmus test for determining their anti-authoritarian fitness for public office.

  15. Frank W. says:

    Right on and a half! Looks like anybody who gets into power changes his stripes, and please Baal send us one who won’t.

    From 30 Rock:
    “It’s kind of a litmus test for candidates.”
    “Can you give me two weeks before I take it?”

  16. Duncan20903 says:


    Edibles are legal in Wyoming, at least for the time being.

    As lawmakers debate how to criminalize edibles, Cheyenne judge tosses marijuana case

    GILLETTE, Wyoming — Recent decisions by state judges have revealed a legal loophole in Wyoming’s marijuana law that lawmakers are trying to close.

    First District Court Judge Steven Sharpe recently dismissed the case of a man accused of possessing enough edible marijuana in his car to be charged with a felony because Sharpe said the existing law specifies that possessing only the plant form of marijuana can be a felony.

    Sharpe’s July 29 decision in Cheyenne was discussed Thursday in Gillette at a meeting of the Joint Judiciary Committee, which is studying how to change the law to consider edible forms of the drug.

    Another Laramie County District Court judge, Catherine Rogers, testified before the committee that she must consider Sharpe’s decision when cases are brought into her court.

    • DdC says:

      My opinion about medical marijuana? next

    • DdC says:

      “From time to time, I say that the suppression of medical marijuana is murder. This is not quite correct. It is actually mass murder. It has caused the deaths of countless thousands of people.”
      ~ the Financial Times Limited, 1998

      Cannabis Shrinks Tumors: Government Knew in 74
      ☛ The DEA shut down all cannabis/tumor research.
      ☛ Gerald Ford ended all public research.

      ☛ List of brain tumor patients who died due to Safe Streets Alliance gossip.

      Drug Worriers preferred methods of treatment…
      Epileptic seizures: Aptiom (eslicarbazepine acetate)

      Who’s Really Fighting Legal Weed
      ☛ 3/4th of a Century of Gossip and Gutter Science
      ☛ A Very Lucrative Evil Hoax
      ☛ Only 13% of the medical schools surveyed
      mention the endocannabinoid science to our future doctors.

      Note that’s “mention” GanjaRx. None of the Med Schools teach students, future doctors. Censorship is the same result as illiteracy.

    • NorCalNative says:

      Your side couldn’t fart science if we donated the fecal implants.

      Stroke that amygdala authoritarian dude, it’s getting nice and fat, just the way your authoritarian masters like it. Thanks for stopping by for today’s entertainment.

      Daren, here’s four little words that should NEVER, EVER be spoken in conservative prohibitionist circles, it’ll be our little secret.

      Here’s four ways to kill cancer cells with cannabis that IS about as medicinal as it gets.


      Daren, if you’re actually a human, that means mommy gave you her own endocannabinoids when you were just a pup. This is the ONLY other known form of “retrograde signaling,” other than what takes place in the ECS and is useful for epilepsy and neural plasticity . But Daren, those are MMJ words so be careful to avoid them. You just might be smart enough to remember one or two and that could cause some cognitive dissonance for you.

      Couch, I apologize for addressing this troll, but he seems to be persistently ignorant. I’m NOT clicking on a link from Fat Amygdala dude.

      • DdC says:

        No apology necessary NCN, you’re just taking out the garbage. Daily chores. This troll is censoring my comments but there are plenty of forums that aren’t. More feedback on other sites I’m passing this on to. Last ditch effort to regain a morsel of dignity and they fall short. Just can’t seem to accept kids relieving suffering without their deadly skin falling off side effect white powders. He reminds me of a Nazi emblem maker who didn’t want to be unemployed just because the war was over and they lost. So they keep making the swastikas and then cry when no one buys it. Outside of politicians and cops and fat pharma. Just a terrible way for a free society to act. Especially using kids as bait to keep their profits, regardless of the outcome of the children. Seizures stopping or cancer in remission are exactly that. So they would leave them suffering because there is no paper work? Open your fucking eyes trolls, no seizures, it works, end of story! As we all know, the harm in any drug or Ganja is solely due to prohibition. Including censorship and banning research. Bottom line is no parent is going to use, let alone risk jail and stigmatizing over something that doesn’t work for their kid. If it didn’t work they would not buy it. If the white powders did work, they would not seek elsewhere. Logic is lost on the trolls.

    • DdC says:

      All of the parents with kids having seizures doubted by opinion and banning research are responsible for the death of those children without access. Totally due to the gossip and political manipulation with the benefactor being fat pharma. These child molesters should be caged. Seems the orac censors evidence. Or maybe just takes a while to filter it out. Regardless the replies are posted several other places including here. How can such ignorance be posted and taken as anything other than prohibitionist insults to the parents finding a remedy for their kids? Banning research and now banning kids reducing seizures because of fake science just saying no. Despicable, and the death and unnecessary suffering of those children are blamed on reefer mad idiots such as orac. Bring it on one r darren.

      Medical marijuana for autism and autism biomed quackery:
      One in the same and on the verge of approval in Michigan

      Access to drug comes at high price
      Jade Guest’s life has changed since she has been able to access medical marijuana in Colorado to treat her severe epilepsy, but it meant her family just spent their first Christmas separated.

      Marijuana Stops Child’s Severe Seizures

      New York Nine Year Old Girl With Dravet Syndrome
      Dies Without Medical Marijuana

      Cannabis For Autism & Seizures.

      If it works, it works. Banning reserch and making lame claims that it doesn’t work due to lack of research. Are you this ignorant about everything daren with one r?

      • Daren says:

        You do realize that Orac is for legalization, right? He just wants evidenced-based medicine to be researched rather than woo. Don’t get me wrong, he’s an idiot for not being a Prohibitionist but his review on science is spot on.

        • DdC says:

          You do realize that Orac is for legalization, right?

          Same spiel as a prohibitionist.

          He just wants evidenced-based medicine to be researched rather than woo.

          No, he wants it treated as something it isn’t. He wants the same procedures as any other drug. Only he leaves out the prohibition part. The banning of medicinal research and media censorship. The NIDA gossip and lies. It has been sabotaged for Wall St non renewable synthetics. From fat pharma to fossil fools. So no, he wants to stall and do more research after 5000 years of medicinal use. But thats not good enough, he wants FDA’s infallible stamp of approval. After showing him the 74 ban. Or the 99 IOM studies confirming the previous studies from La Guardia back to the 1894 Indian Hemp Commission. As did the Shafer Commission Nixon rejected as a temporary move until research was complete. When it was he just trashed it while Watergate kept the headlines. To this day. The most recent JAMA studies also confirming the previous studies leaves no more need of testing it as proof to remove it as a scheduled substance.

          Don’t get me wrong, he’s an idiot for not being a Prohibitionist but his review on science is spot on.

          Bullshit Science, proving what isn’t there due to outside circumstances is not proof or science, it’s politics. Spot on is more of a stain and there is plenty of stain remover evidence to remove it as a controlled substance. It’s prohibitionism. Denialism. It’s how prohibition has lasted so long. A set up for failure or lack of evidence to prove success.

          Diversions no different from Nora or Walters or McCaffrey and Bennett before them. He refuses anecdotal evidence of the actual people being treated. For Science only the FDA can provide. Yet again misses the point that the FDA can’t test it until the HHS approves it. As they should have when given the IOM report. Cut and dried, should have been done in 2000 except for 8 years of Bush Walters and Tommy Thompson never looked at it. It is still gathering dust at the HHS and won’t see a lab at the FDA until it is released by the Surgeon General. Then it can start a decade of testing for the proof he seeks.

          In the meantime he wants it kept from little girls reducing seizures or helping Vets with PDSD. Same as the reformers siding with the politics of lowering it to a schedule 2 with a fat pharma monopoly. As for cancer cures, that is a CODEX violation to state such a thing. I would say it supplements the ECS and cancerous cells are killed off or rewritten to the original DNA. It regulates the body systems. Wasting Syndrome it stimulates the appetite. Obesity it curtails. The hundreds of other medicinal uses are listed here. But we posted many resources the last time you dropped your prohibitionist gossip and unwarranted skepticism and you rejected it. So now you are an excuse to drag out more proof for those who missed the first shows. Like I said about his opening line originally.

          My opinion about medical marijuana? next

          Granny Storm Crow’s MMJ Reference List
          ~ January 2012

          How Medical Marijuana Could Literally Save Lives
          JAMA study was based on a [B]meta-analysis of the findings of 79 previously-published studies.[/B] JAMA study found solid evidence that marijuana is effective at treating one big condition: chronic pain.

          Possibly the most-studied substance on the planet
          Despite the US government’s nearly century-long prohibition of the plant, cannabis is nonetheless one of the most investigated therapeutically active substances in history. To date, there are over 20,000 published studies or reviews in the scientific literature referencing the cannabis plant and its cannabinoids

          Alzheimer’s Caused By Loss of Cannabinoids, Study Shows
          Now a team from Stanford University School of Medicine has traced the effects of beta-amyloid plaque to activity of the brain’s endogenous cannabinoids, or endocannabinoids. These compounds are produced naturally by the brain and mimic the effects of compounds in cannabis. Among many functions, cannabinoids play a key role in memory and learning.

          Scientists Re-Re-Re-Discover
          Cannabis Stops Metastasis In Aggressive Cancers!
          Countless studies have shown that marijuana is effective for lessening the effects of cancer and radiation treatment.

          Cannabinoids are a group of compounds present in Cannabis plant (Cannabis sativa L.). They mediate their physiological and behavioral effects by activating specific cannabinoid receptors. With the recent discovery of the cannabinoid receptors (CB1 and CB2) and the endocannabinoid system, research in this field has expanded exponentially. Cannabinoids have been shown to act as potent immunosuppressive and anti-inflammatory agents and have been shown to mediate beneficial effects in a wide range of immune-mediated diseases such as multiple sclerosis, diabetes, septic shock, rheumatoid arthritis, and allergic asthma.

        • Will says:

          Except that Dr. Gorski has yet to respond to commenters who provided links to studies that provided more positive results than the study he chose to write about. Maybe his bias is showing? If so, that’s not very ‘scientific’, now is it?

    • kaptinemo says:

      No prohib could ever successfully disguise themselves as a reformer; the innate sliminess the prohibs exude makes it hard for the glue on the reform mask to stick to their faces.

      We have already had such attempts before, and recently.

      Prohibs who’ve come here have left with significant portions of their dignity – and intellectual credibility – in tatters.


      It’s why we only get the easily sacrificed bottom-feeders of the prohib food-chain to come here to debate. The prohib generals don’t want to be seen as losing face in a debate with us, especially if they’re seen taken out by the lowliest of reformer pawns. They fear reformers.

      That’s why we get nothing but prohib expendables and throw-aways showing up here. Their version of a ‘forlorn hope’. Sort of “Do and die”

      Just like a ‘developmentally challenged’ person, the sacrificial lambs follow their orders trustingly, venture to Drugwarrantia, keep ignoring the warning signs and scattered bones and skulls of previous ‘missionaries’ they see along the way on the banks, and boldly wade into the river where the reform piranhas are waiting to tear them to shreds.

      You’d think they’d learn from their mistakes. Oh, sorry, forgot, you can’t expect such awareness from those so hampered.

  17. strayan says:


    Buried in a new study co-authored by Mark Kleiman (and funded by big tobacco [Altria]) is this:

    “The War on Drugs… focuses on interdiction and prosecuting drug traffickers, while largely ignoring drug users.”

    • DdC says:

      They’re still avoiding reality by excluding the chemicals added to cigarettes, not in tobacco. They are also avoiding the nasty implementation of smoking rules designed to keep smoking banned, only gives corporate property management an excuse to evict low income tenants to get higher rent. They also ban cannabis in legal states and vapes due to the nicotine. Self imposed moralists, nanny state profiteers and more lies from another prohibition. If they would raise the price of chemical cigarettes and use the funds to subsidize organic cigarettes. Less harm would occur. As it is lower income smokers are buying generic brands with even more adulterants added.

      Since reducing harm doesn’t happen, the end result is typical and the same as banning Ganja. To punish the nonconformists. Without an outlet it it not hard to see why a black market is thriving. Ashcroft was wrong when he said you can legislate morality. So are klieman and the less evolved prorehabilitationists.

    • kaptinemo says:

      I guess the anti-cannabis hired-gun gig isn’t working so well, not after his cost-overruns in WA State. Nobody wants to get burned as WA did. Maybe he figures he’ll have better luck with anti-tobacco? Much softer target.

  18. Frank W. says:

    “Apparently, street vendors of
    counterfeit cigarettes have lost much of their market share to storefront sellers of smuggled genuine
    product because participants in that market have failed to solve the collective-action problem caused by
    the reputational externality.”

  19. thelbert says:

    OT but relevant to revolution:

  20. jean valjean says:

    Never mind the chilluns, let them eat oxycontin:

    “If ever you needed proof that the state is not at all interested in the well-being of the citizens, and only engaged in enriching the special interests who profit from their corporatist ties, this is it.”

    • DdC says:

      They need the oxy to counter the meth they give kids for ADHD. Recommended by the Oxymoron, Rush.

      3 million children are taking stimulant drugs for ADHD (Meth)
      â–¬ Death from Ritalin
      The Truth Behind ADHD
      â–¬ Do ADHD Drugs Take a Toll on the Brain?

      Or the side effects of prohibitionists preferred treatments.

      Drug Worriers preferred methods of treatment…
      delusions, dementia, lack of feeling or emotion, thoughts of killing oneself, confusion, shakiness, lack of emotion, loss of memory, Behavior change similar to drunkenness, convulsions, (seizures), changes in patterns and rhythms of speech, clumsiness or unsteadiness, difficulty with coordination, shakiness and unsteady walk, feeling sad or empty, inability to sit still, difficulty with concentration, drowsiness, mood or behavior changes, very stiff (rigid) muscles, high fever, sweating, confusion, fast or uneven heartbeats, feeling like you might pass out; agitation, hallucinations, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, loss of appetite…

      I’m going to send this to Calvina, Nora, Loretta and Michelle. Maybe to Mom’s Afraid of Potatoes.

      “In headaches at the menopause Cannabis indica is useful, and if the headaches are associated with constipation and anemia, iron and aloes should be . . . Spasm of the bladder, due to Cystitis or nervousness, it often gives great relief . . . In Uterine subinvolution, chronic Inflammation and irritation Cannabis indica is of great value, and it has been found of service in Metrorrhagia and nervous and spasmodic Dysmenorrhea. Not only does it relieve the pain, but it seems to act favorably upon the muscular fibres of the uterus. . . etc.” —- PRACTICAL THERAPEUTICS [1895] by H.A. Hare

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