DEA chief upgraded from ‘incompetent’ to ‘almost as smart as a 5th grader’

New DEA Chief: ‘Heroin Is Clearly More Dangerous Than Marijuana’

The new Drug Enforcement Administration chief has finally made it clear: Marijuana is safer than heroin.

DEA head Chuck Rosenberg told reporters Wednesday morning at the administration’s headquarters that “heroin is clearly more dangerous than marijuana,” clarifying a less definitive statement he made last week, when he said marijuana is “probably not” as dangerous as heroin. Rosenberg said cannabis is still “harmful and dangerous,” but that his original remarks should have been clearer. […]

The statement lines up with the science that has long been clear on the plant being one of the least dangerous recreationally used drugs. And while Rosenberg’s comments may initially seem benign, they represent a significant shift in the point of view of an agency that continues to classify marijuana as one of the “most dangerous” drugs, alongside heroin and LSD.

Nice to know that the head of the DEA is starting to learn the basics, even though he clearly has a long way to go.

This would be like the head of NASA finally admitting that astrology is not the same as astronomy.

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49 Responses to DEA chief upgraded from ‘incompetent’ to ‘almost as smart as a 5th grader’

  1. claygooding says:

    It must be tough on the DEA budget and image that they are losing the poster child of their $7 trillion dollar drug war spending spree,,,for the first time in nearly 5 decades the DEA is facing a cut in funding,,and that is just the initial incision,,,but the blood is in the water for sure now and true bureaucrat brothers in the other letter gangs will show the American public the federal government also has a cannibalism problem.

  2. Will says:

    Ha! I’ll bet Chuck’s secretary let him know that Rep. Jared Polis was on the line, requesting the Chuckster stop by for a few questions to clarify his “marijuana is ‘probably’ less harmful than heroin” comment. To prepare, Rep. Polis suggests Mr. Rosenberg watch his questioning of Michele Leonhart a couple years back. Oh, and let Chuck know the proceedings will be recorded, for the record and all that.

    Chuck: “Tell him I’m revising my statement RIGHT NOW!!”


    New bumper sticker;

    My Irish Setter is smarter than your 5th grade honor student AND Chuck Rosenberg

    [fun times lately ;)]

  3. allan says:

    I mean seriously, the head of the DEA is Chuck? Wow, that’ll buckle the knees of even the most vicious cartel boss.

    • allan says:

      and ta da! 40+ years later and I finally get to use it! In Thailand chuck wow means masturbate. 4 decades waiting to use that…

  4. Chris says:

    Oh, so this thing with zero recorded deaths is less dangerous than something that clearly causes deaths? 2+2+4!?

  5. Duncan20903 says:


    So did everybody get to read about the lunatic who decapitated his wife and his dogs, then gouged out one eye and amputated his own arm while high on synthetic “cannabis”? But he did have the best of intentions as he was just trying to get the evil out of her.

    I would wager dollars to dirt if Harry J were still alive that he would blush with envy.

  6. thelbert says:

    seems like legalized pot is the new wave:….of course the authorities will need a large measure of control.

  7. Servetus says:

    Poor Chuck Rosenberg. He’s been made the sacrificial lamb of prohibition.

    Our grossly incompetent government, in an attempt to deflect blame from themselves for the drug war, installed a lightning rod as head of the DEA; some youthful innocent lacking an intellectual vivre, to distract citizens in whatever way from tearing down the structure of prohibition.

    Mr. Rosenberg’s only hope is to read Drug WarRant. Here, he can learn how he and the rest of the world succumbed to a gigantic hoax.

    He probably doesn’t realize it, but Mr. Rosenberg is in a unique position to become the Gorbachev of prohibition, to tear down that wall of drug ignorance.

  8. DdC says:


    Prosecutors drop marijuana charges against Michigan woman
    but keep the vibrator… ☺ ☚original story linx

  9. CJ says:

    ive never actually, in all my years, seen the prohibitionists actively use any methods full throttle that didn’t usually just involve their simple, rehashed ideology since prohibition began. The messages are always the same, right? “Drugs are evil” “Drug users are evil” etc. etc. etc. However, if they start changing tactics, well, if I may, one of the keys to Sun Tzu’s the Art of War is to anticipate and manipulate change. Honestly it would be very wise of them to “divide & conquer”. If they want to attempt to seperate and create divisions in the drug reform community by putting pot enthusiasts against everybody else, the reform world would splinter. It would be very bad. Unfortunately, and Ethan Nadelman has acknowledged this himself many times, there are far too many that are way too ready to just say “screw it” and turn on the rest of the reform world as long as they get their way with pot.

    I say to each his own, I say we’re in this together and I say we have to legalize all drugs so we can better control all drugs, eliminate homelessness, crime etc (by legalizing).

    Case in point: we all know I am everyday user of heroin. I can remember one time after setting up my cardboard bed here on the streets of Manhattan a fellow compatriot sitting against the wall near me (on Great Jones or Bond St). He was smoking what I thought was just a cigarette. He handed it to me I took a few drags, something didnt taste right and about 15 seconds later I thought I was dying, I was hearing voices and it was an 8 hour experience from hell that honestly, had I not had the presence of mind to force myself to just lay down and stay layed down and wait it out, had I actually tried to go anywhere and do anything who knows what horrible thing would have happened to someone or myself (because, for the first like hour or two I had no freaking idea what the hell was going on AT ALL. This all off of like, 2 small drags of a joint.) But then of course I’ll do enough diesel/dog food/poppy plant sweat or if youre of the German persuasian, Herr Owen, that would kill a normal person and 8 seconds after “lift off” I spring off the seat or toilet I’ve used, very quickly clean my arms up, start singing and dancing to myself before leaving and believing noone knows what the hell just went on in the bathroom stall. But there are those who absolutely abhorre it, hate it, want nothing to do with it, totally get that. Let’s not let them divide us, whats good for one may not be good for the other but the facts are that heroin has next to no toxicity and as has been said in the beautiful BBC documentary the truth about heroin, “can be taken for the entirity of someones life with little to no serious health risks.” we cant let them divide based on our drugs of choice, otherwise they will set our movement back 20 years, im telling you.

  10. Servetus says:

    The new DEA Chief has just lost one of drug enforcement’s main methods of public offensiveness. On top of everything else involving the demise of the drug war, the sniffer dog era is drawing to a close:

    August 5, 2015 — Bloomington, IL — Police are now speaking out about a decision from the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which ruled that drug dogs signal for drugs nearly every time they are sent to sniff a vehicle or home. This decision shows that police dog searches are not legitimate and that they are just used as a pretense for officers to violate the rights of innocent people.[…]

    It was revealed that Lex, the drug dog in question, signaled for drugs 93% of the time, even when there were no drugs present. These findings show that dog sniffs are not accurate and are simply used as a tool to justify a full police search. The findings also indicated that Lex was incorrect roughly 40% of the time.

    “Lex’s overall accuracy rate … is not much better than a coin flip,” the ruling stated.[…]

    Police representative Michael Bieser said in an interview with the Chicago Tribune that “The opinion is unfair and very one-sided. He’s is a very, very good dog.”

    I’m sure Lex will find a nice new home and family to take care of him.

    • primus says:

      Lex might well be a very fine dog, it’s just that he is a lousy cop, and a lousy sniffer.

      • Servetus says:

        Lex was corrupted by his job. It’s the same for all prohibitionists. Prohibition corrupts absolutely.

  11. Francis says:

    That gives me an idea. What if we created a program where middle school students across the country visited local law enforcement groups and taught them about the dangers of drug prohibition? Using middle schoolers as educators might be a successful strategy for keeping the instruction on a level that cops could understand and relate to. And the Prohibition Is Gross, Seriously or “P.I.G.S.” program (as I’m proposing it be called) wouldn’t have to focus exclusively on drug prohibition. It could also teach cops strategies for resisting other kinds of human rights violations. Now I admit, I’m somewhat concerned that the program could actually have the perverse effect of making cops more curious about trying kinds of power abuses that they might otherwise have never even thought of. So it would be important to regularly assess the effectiveness of the curriculum to keep it evidence-based.

    • Frank W. says:

      A school system that fostered DARE for 30 years??? They’ve been sucking the Devil’s Teat for so long that’s why DARE gets mentioned. Eighties nostalgia.

    • claygooding says:

      It also needs a rehab program for the bullies hired by cities and state that they have hired to do this crap.

      The quickest way to end abuse of power from law enforcement is remove ANY ability they have of funding themselves.

      Law enforcement is a necessary evil and should never be turned into a source of revenue.

    • Duncan20903 says:


      Don’t all police academies provide mandatory Doughnut Abuse Resistance Education as part of the curriculum?

  12. joe minella says:

    Where do these…people… come from? What is CLEARLY “harmful and dangerous” is the War on Drugs! The incontrovertible evidence has been piling up in front of all of us for 50 years plus. As we speak, peaceful people are being busted, harassed, shunned, killed for their choice of medicine/intoxicant/tonic/adventure. Hey Obama et al: How about at least faking some little sense of urgency,eh? We’re dying out here, literally and figuratively.

    • DdC says:

      Where do these…people… come from?

      I ask a similar question to a herd of cops on another forum. Then to some religious zealots on another subject. I don’t think we’re in Kansas anymore ToTo.

      It’s one more Obama don’t mess with it and it might go away. Same as overwhelming evidence cannabis has medicinal value. Is not addictive physically to cause debilitating withdrawals and not a menace to society. So Obama’s non actions of not enforcing federal laws on the books and not changing the scheduling in the Controlled Substance Act to reflect science over politics and profits. Americans are still suffering and prisons are still profiting. Cops are not neutral, they are political lobbyists. They do not protect and serve. They assist the DA in winning cases. Not truth, more clout to climb the political ladder.

      If a terrorist group killed 3 Americans a day
      The media would be reporting on it hourly
      Actually cops kill 3 Americans a day and not a word

      Obama has done nothing. Another circumvention similar to the drug war. Using false science as references to make a point to keep things as they are. When the prosecutor defends the defendant and bumbling cohorts don’t gather evidence. It’s militarization of police. SWAT and DARE were founded by the same psychotic wanting to shoot stoners. Running to the aid of a murderer should be shameful. Regardless of the costume he wears. Lying in court with the judges blind eyes should be a tang of guilt somewhere. Pushing vets to not wars, but police actions around the globe. Difference being, PA’s are for profit. Declared wars are at cost. Then rejecting them when they return, or worse. Caging them for finding relief in a plant they grow. Tsk tsk tsk America.

      ☛ busted – providing max cap prison profits
      ☛ harassed – standard of oppression, intimidation
      ☛ shunned – another form of oppression to bend ones will, religious and liberals
      ☛ killed – a deterrent to others.

      A cop shoots a kid in the back and gets nothing but Veterans are facing life in prison for growing a plant to relieve their PTSD. No batting of an eyelash was seen. Same Blue Meanies trying their damnedest to keep Veterans and children from eliminating their seizures and pain. COPs on Roids, or not, still kill 3 American citizens everyday and get off on it and get off from prosecution.
      America, Requiescat In Pace

      “As someone who spent 35 years wearing a police uniform, I’ve come to believe that hundreds of thousands of law-enforcement officers commit felony perjury every year testifying about drug arrests.”
      Joseph McNamara, former San Jose Chief of Police

      Juicers in Blue

      In 2912 German Police Fired 85 Bullets the Entire Year
      American Police Fired 90 Bullets iInto One Teenager.

      ☛ DEAth Merchants
      ☛ Who’s going to stop the thieves?
      ☛ Why Police Officers Lie Under Oath
      ☛ Drug mishandling may have tainted 40,000 cases
      ☛ Rackets Driven by this Drug War
      ☛ Aʂʂhole police
      ☛ Second Probe Raises Stink
      ☛ WTF’s Up with New Mexico?
      Have they been annexed by Texas?

  13. Mr_Alex says:

    So hilarious, the people who run Parents Opposed to Pot are now blocking people for asking ‘sensitive questions’ about their funding or relationship to Mel and Betty Sembler

    • allan says:

      oh, that’s been the modus operandi for the Prohibs since the wwweb was invented by Al Gore. Never – as in N E V E R – did any of their websites allow conversation/discussion, where we on the other hand/foot welcomed it everywwweb. Discussion is their achilles heel. And that of course is simply because when facts are entered into the discussion, the end is inevitable, we win.

    • DdC says:

      Now blocking? I’ve never been able to make a post stick on any of their so called forums. That is their only way of keeping the message straight, why would they let us speak?

      Does not compute,
      Warning warning!
      Danger Will Robinson!

      • Frank W. says:

        If the “forum” is blocking, it’s working exactly as designed. It’s meant to harvest new names for fundraising. Please address all complaints to their cylindrical suggestion box. Be comforted, you’ll be remembered if those peckerwoods dream up an Enemies of Carlotta list.

  14. Duncan20903 says:


    Cheer up people, we’ve got the parasites on the ropes and they’re bleeding profusely from numerous cuts about their collective face and head. Ooooh…what’s wrong with the referee? Why in the world hasn’t he called the TKO? Oh right, because he’s enjoying the spectacle almost as much as I am.

    State lawmakers to Congress: Butt out of our marijuana laws

    The National Conference of State Legislatures, the de facto bipartisan group of lawmakers, passed a resolution at its annual meeting Thursday calling on the federal government to amend the Controlled Substances Act to authorize state marijuana laws and on the administration to keep its nose out of state pot policies.

    As soon as we’re done with the prohibitionists let’s go beat the heck out of MSM news editors who can’t write a headline without including a stupid pun.

    • Cannabis Corpse says:

      I fully support this joint effort against the MSM. We need to be blunt and tell them these dopey puns are unacceptable. It perpetuates the stoner stereotype. Their influence will be up in smoke once we’re done with them.

  15. Servetus says:

    PROPAGANDA ALERT: A UNC student is being charged with three counts of second-degree murder after he caused an accident driving the wrong way on a freeway. His blood was tested to reveal a blood-alcohol content of 0.17. Nothing unusual for a drunken driver—this kind of accident happens frequently, and it usually doesn’t get a whole lot of attention from the media.

    This time it did get attention. Seems the real problem is he also tested positive for MARIJUANA!!. That’s the lead on the news story—this person tested positive for weed—only later in the piece is it revealed he was too drunk to drive. The article is structured to mislead readers who merely scan headlines to think that marijuana is a root cause of traffic accidents.

    Video here from WTVD in Orange County, North Carolina.

  16. allan says:

    Alameda Coast Guard Crew Seizes Narco-Submarine Carrying 8 Tons Of Cocaine

    Nearly 80 percent of drugs smuggled into the U.S. in 2012 came from maritime routes, according to a U.S. Foreign Military Studies Office report. And about 30 percent of the drugs that arrived by sea come from narco submarines.

    There have been 25 known semi-submersible busts in the Eastern Pacific Ocean since November 2006.

  17. DdC says:

    Weasel Alert!
    Justice Dept. memo lets feds shut down pot dispensaries
    The restrictions, Stemler wrote, bar the department “from impeding the ability of states to carry out their medical marijuana laws, not from taking action against particular individuals or entities, even if they are acting compliant with state law.”

  18. Servetus says:

    Neuroscientists from Cardiff University are claiming victory in discovering a major piece of genetic evidence involving the onset of schizophrenia, one that exonerates marijuana as a “link”. From the AAAS news release:

    23-Jul-2015 — Scientists have identified a critical function of what they believe to be schizophrenia’s “Rosetta Stone” gene that could hold the key to decoding the function of all genes involved in the disease.

    The breakthrough has revealed a vulnerable period in the early stages of the brain’s development that researchers hope can be targeted for future efforts in reversing schizophrenia.

    In a paper published today in the journal Science, neuroscientists from Cardiff University describe having uncovered the previously unknown influence of a gene in ensuring healthy brain development.

    The gene is known as ‘disrupted in schizophrenia-1’ (DISC-1). Past studies have shown that when mutated, the gene is a high risk factor for mental illness including schizophrenia, major clinical depression and bipolar disorder.[…]

    Their experiments in mice revealed that by preventing DISC-1 from binding with these molecules – using a protein-releasing drug called Tamoxifen at an early stage of the brain’s development – it would lack plasticity once it grows to its adult state, preventing cells (cortical neurons) in the brain’s largest region from being able to form synapses.

    The ability to form coherent thoughts and to properly perceive the world is damaged as a consequence of this.

    Preventing DISC-1 from binding with ‘Lis’ and ‘Nudel’ molecules, when the brain was fully formed, showed no effect on its plasticity. However, the researchers were able to pinpoint a seven-day window early on in the brain’s development – one week after birth – where failure to bind had an irreversible effect on the brain’s plasticity later on in life.[emphasis added]

    Hopefully, the new genetics discovery will end accusations that pot smoking causes schizophrenia, or for that matter, has much of a link beyond maybe cannabinoids affecting schizophrenics differently from non-schizophrenics. Schizophrenia can now be detected before birth, and perhaps one day be corrected shortly after birth, using some preventative measure such as a chemical to target proteins.

    As DarkCycle mentioned earlier on several occasions, schizophrenics are prone to smoke lots of cigarettes, and drink gallons of coffee. The research indicates marijuana use merely falls into the same general category of brain self-medication/amelioration as caffeine and nicotine.

  19. DdC says:

    Where The 2016 Presidential Candidates Stand

    Bernie Sanders, Rand Paul, Martin O’Malley

    Bobby Jindal, Donald Trump, Jeb Bush,
    Chris Chrispie, Ben Carson, John Kasich

    Leave it to States
    Hillary Clinton, Mike Huckabee, Rick Perry,
    Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Scott Walker

    * for states rights but against legalizing.
    *John Kasich
    *Jeb Bush

    • NorCalNative says:

      Is this your scale of incremental retardation?


      If it comes down to B and C can we just fucking kill ourselves now or admit America wants to Chuck-Wow all over themselves to our new MONARCHY.


      My dispensary has a new vendor that is labeling their flowers with terpene percentages. A Santa Rosa-based outfit called Marigold. They list four terpenes per label. You can almost imagine the smell by looking carefully at the percentages. Fruity, check, Woody, check, Citrus, check and so on. Better yet, the terps have their own blood-brain-barrier crossing medical effects such as anti-cancer, anti-inflammation, and so on, so you can pick based on medical effects rather than hoping the highest THC percentage is your ticket.

      THC is boring without terpenes. The future is bright my friends. Toke one up in the war on incremental retardation.

      And speaking of boring without terpenes, Rosenburg, the 5th-grader? He’s Obama’s pick. This is what the D’s are giving us. Go U.Seh?

      Just finished a letter I’m sending off to my health care clinic seeking a new doc. I used it as an opportunity to sell the ECS and shame them a bit for being lazy. I ran across this great quote by old American author and muckraker Upton Sinclair that seemed appropriate.

      “Can you not see that the task is your task– yours to dream, yours to resolve, yours to execute?”

      • DdC says:


        Justice Dept. memo lets feds shut down pot dispensaries
        The restrictions, Stemler wrote, bar the department “from impeding the ability of states to carry out their medical marijuana laws, not from taking action against particular individuals or entities, even if they are acting compliant with state law.”

        Gov. Jerry Brown signs law targeting illegal marijuana grows

        Massive Marijuana Bust in Santa Cruz…

        AG Loretta Lynch without make up.jpg

      • DdC says:


        Surf City Delivery doesn’t have terpenes listed, but they do ID Ganja Rx. They said by growing their own product in Greenhouses they can keep the prices down. Most of the dispensaries probably want out of state “foreigners” kept out. Definitely want the land thrashers and water steelers kept out. No matter what idiot gets selected I don’t see how they can fund a federal sweep as Crispie wants. We have had a taste of the sweet honey and will not go back to vinegar.

        We have a wide range of products in the following categories:


        Alien OG Kush (Outdoor)



        $10.00g / $25.001/8 / $45.001/4 / $75.001/2 / $145.00oz

        If you click Details

        Medical Conditions: Anxiety, Body Pain, Depression, Insomnia, Nausea, A.D.D, A.D.H.D, Migraine, PMS/PMDD, PTSD

        This Indica dominant strain is nice for those looking to boost their appetite or help get some good rest. This strain is helpful for those who suffer from chronic pain, migraines, and insomnia.

        Another dispensary, Granny Purps
        For every four cans of food they donated to Second Harvest, patients received one pre-rolled marijuana joint. 11,000 pounds of food was collected. I remember when they first did it. Loaves and Fishes, the religionists refused a donation from a grower. Proving once again who is for the people and who is for the pope…

        Granny Purps

      • DdC says:

        I remember another Upton Sinclair quote that explains the mental deficiency other than eCB deficiency. Or Perhaps due to it.

        “It is difficult to get a man to understand something,
        when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!”

        In other words, they see a 6 year old child with 300 seizures totally finding a remedy drastically reducing them, even eliminating them with eCB’s. Then think of their own paychecks while jailing her parents for growing it. Where do these cretins fit in a civilized society?

  20. Duncan20903 says:



    Wow, in the last couple of years we’ve seen outsiders and civil authorities do things which inure to the benefit of cannabis law reform that we couldn’t have even imagined imagining as recently as 3 years ago. Here’s another one from Nevada:

    Distributing marijuana: Alcohol wholesalers want a piece of the profits

    LAS VEGAS (KSNV News3LV) — Even before customers can buy recreational marijuana in Nevada, alcohol distributors want to get in on the profits.

    Alcohol wholesalers want to earn a piece of that pie by distributing the drug. That’s why many alcohol wholesalers are backing a 2016 ballot measure to legalize recreational marijuana. If passed, they’d be the middle men between growers and dispensaries.

    Nevada State Senator Tick Segerblom supports the measure.

    “It’s going to bring a structure to the process. Alcohol distributors have a track record of purchasing and and distributing a drug,” says Segerblom.

  21. Duncan20903 says:


    I’m completely withdrawing any personal opinion from the Ohio controversy surrounding the Ohio Marijuana Legalization Initiative. The Ohio Legislature is not trying to prevent the establishment of an oligopoly, they’re trying to play the voters for chumps with their proposed Ohio Initiated Monopolies Amendment, Issue 2

    (3) If, at the general election held on November 3, 2015, the electors approve a proposed constitutional amendment that conflicts with division (B)(1) of this section with regard to the creation of a monopoly, oligopoly, or cartel for the sale, distribution, or other use of any federal Schedule I controlled substance, then notwithstanding any severability provision to the contrary, that entire proposed constitutional amendment shall not take effect.

    Presuming that both proposed Amendments are approved by the voters on Election Day, this controversy is going to the Ohio Supreme Court. But at least it’s not going to take years to get there.

    (C.) The supreme court of Ohio shall have original, exclusive jurisdiction in any action that relates to this section.

    So while everyone is busy bitching and moaning about the proposed oligopoly the Ohio Legislature is trying to render the will of the voters meaningless. For the life of me I can’t even imagine that the Ohio Initiated Monopolies Amendment is legal. It most certainly is grossly unethical.

  22. darkcycle says:

    Yet withal, the war drags on. And the bodies pile higher. Police in La. spend 11 months and millions of dollars, use the resources of three agencies, including DEA, and assemble an entire task force to bust six teenagers with less than an ounce between them. Yup, less than an ounce. Read it and weep.

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