Shrunken Brains!

Los Angeles Times once again doing its best Daily Mail impression:

Regular pot smokers have shrunken brains, study says

Of course, if you actually read the article, you discover that the researchers discovered several minor differences between smokers and non-smokers with absolutely no evidence that the differences were in any way detrimental and no evidence of causality.

But hey, “shrunken brains” in a headline is just so perfect when you’re more interested in sensationalism than… truth.

[Thanks, Jeff]
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50 Responses to Shrunken Brains!

  1. DonDig says:

    The prohibitionists won’t give up without at least a few hilarious last gasps, last licks.
    I guess they’re analyzing the analysis of the analysts.
    I mean, they would have found the smoking gun long ago. . .

  2. Nunavut Tripper says:

    Wonder what Carl Sagan would have thought about that.

  3. MJ Verite says:

    Alcohol’s the real brain shrinker. Autopsied brains of older alcohol abusers can be half the size of non-abusers. Try googling “wet brain” or “confabulation.

  4. allan says:

    I wondered what that rattling sound was…

    … so if we go to WebMD, search brain shrunken… let’s see, hmmm… yep, there it is! “brain, shrunken” it says “see marijuana”

    and if I search head rattling… hmmm… it says “see “brain, shrunken.” Man I love the wwweb, the truth is out there.

    • claygooding says:

      feel the power baby,,I don’t think I would like to go back to phone modem internet after getting used to almost instant gratification.

  5. Windy says:

    What the Fuck Are We Thinking?

    Nothing we see now is a level playing field. Until we see a truly free market work in cannabis there will be an odd dance of those who believe in freedom being pushed out by those who believe in limited freedom and who are willing to throw us all under the bus to serve their own agenda. Don’t cannabrand me, bro.

    I am not an idealist. I saw this coming a mile away and have done my best to bring caution to the wolves in wook’s clothing. I understand the situation clearly and know it will likely get worse before it gets better. This strange era of positioning and lobbying for our own unworkable limitations will not last forever, but it will go on for some time. It is the monkeys fucking the football for real, as no one on any side of the argument can seem to find the right answer. the answer is simple… It is cannabis freedom.

    • Windy says:

      When I posted the above, I hadn’t read more than a few paragraphs. I’ve now finished the article and I urge everyone on the couch to take the time to read it.

      What the fuck are we thinking?

      The truth is that we are not. We are allowing those who favor prohibition to drive the conversation and when we help do their work for them by compromising the truth for hysteria, we all lose. When these assholes try to work the system to favor their own business models, only to have the whole rug pulled out from under them because they really do not understand politics as much as they led you to believe, the progress we all have worked hard to realize is instantly diminished.

      It is sad enough that we have to deal with the Kevin Sabets and Patrick Kennedys of the world, but to have our message of cannabis freedom undermined by those who supposedly are on our side is ludicrous. I for one am tired of having to clean up these messes and work to convince people that these myths being put forth and supported by would be industry “experts” are simple fallacy.

      • claygooding says:

        The problem is apparent,,you cannot sell a plant that can be grown for $2 a gram or less and sell it for more than $5 per gram and stop the green market,,even $5 per gram will have some people growing and selling but it may stop cartel marketing of marijuana.

        I don’t care how they dress that pig trying to keep the price up,,it is still a pig.

  6. primus says:

    The article was interesting for what it actually said vs. what the critics say it says. The study authors say that the frontal lobe is much more connected, though smaller in size. What they don’t say is whether that affects its operation in either a positive or a negative way. They merely state the facts. They also state that when they had previously tested 12 year olds, the ones with smaller frontal lobes were more likely to subsequently take cannabis. In error, they referred to those activities as ‘drug abuse behaviors’. That is a conclusion for which they do not provide data. IOW they pulled it out of their ‘hats’.

    OK, we know that cannabis stimulates the development of more neurons. The ‘more connected’ frontal lobes they described obviously required significant extra wiring to accomplish the interconnecting. It would therefore be logical to posit that people with a smaller than normal frontal lobe found that cannabis helped to overcome this deficit through increased growth of brain neurons. IOW these people are using it as medication. That would be in harmony with all known facts, unlike the ‘drug abuse behavior’ line of BS which is not.

  7. DdC says:


    Regular pot smokers have shrunken brains, LATimes says

    ☛ Does researching casual marijuana use cause brain abnormalities?

    12,000 yrs. of use then Prohibition abstinence leading to…

    C.E.D., Clinical Endocannabinoid Deficiency

    C.E.D. creating…

    Drug Worriers who Have Larger ‘Fear Centers’ in Their Brains

    Leaving nothing but sheople spewing their gossip.

    ☛ Shame on the Drug Worrier Profiteers

    ☛ Marijuana use may lead to cardiac arrest and other hobgoblins

    ☛ Using Pot To Save Brains!

    ☛ 9 Reasons Why Sanjay Gupta Changed His Mind About Marijuana

    ☛ We Need a Law Against False or Misleading “News”

    ☛ Drugwar Lies Linked to Schizophrenia

    Mother’s Little Anti-Psychotic Is Worth $6.9 Billion A Year via @jaymichaelson

    Here’s What Happened When A 65-Year-Old Woman Took Shrooms In A Lab via @YahooFinance

    A Patient Speaks from Patrick H. Murphy

  8. Servetus says:

    If the purpose of the research was to link denigrating myths about marijuana consumers to a specific brain structure, the researchers failed. There is no evidence the brain structures associated with the tested marijuana users are from marijuana or do anything to affect a specific behavior.

    The study is flawed in that the R-team should have picked people with nearly similar IQs to do the comparison in order to eliminate that particular variable. Marijuana consumers with higher than average IQs typically dominate the American consumer population, so where are they in this study that examined only marijuana users having lower IQs than the non-users? The study makes it appear marijuana smokers were preselected based on their socioeconomic status.

  9. Howard says:

    The LA Times article follows a well entrenched tradition of reporting on studies involving cannabis;

    1). Front load the article with the scariest “facts” gleaned from a study. Have them come across as definitive and beyond questioning.

    2). As the article progresses, blithely begin to backtrack and soften what the dreaded “facts” might suggest. Start using words like “may”, “possibly”, “could be”, “might not be”, etc.

    3). Toward the end of the article mention that the researchers themselves are unsure what the results of their study signifies — if it signifies anything at all.

    Of course, the prohibitionists — those with the most deficient IQ’s — will latch on to point number one above and scream it loudly. Just follow Kevin Sabet’s twitter feed for proof.

  10. claygooding says:

    LATimes,,,,Shut the fuck up,,I am shrinking my fucking brain.

    It’s MY brain and I will shrink it if I want to.

    It is part of my diet plan to lose weight and it’s a shame the alcoholics in Congress don’t shrink theirs.

    • Windy says:

      I am pretty damn certain that those alcoholic politicians ARE shrinking their brains (and their ability to reason) since alcohol kills brain cells. I would prefer that all politicians used cannabis since cannabis grows new brain cells AND new connections between those new cells, perhaps then we’d get some intelligent ideas coming out of government.

  11. Zombie Randy says:


  12. Servetus says:

    The study’s authors may claim no conflict of interest, but poorly conducted research of the type proffered by the shrunken brain study enables racist law enforcement to continue its institutionalized racism.

    Specifically, it enables people such as Mr. Ben Stein, a lawyer, a former speechwriter for Richard Nixon, a man whose alma mater includes the Richard Nixon School for Bigoted Apeheads, to announce publicly why he thinks black people in America are inferior—you guessed it—it’s because of drugs. Here is his eminence, Ben Stein:

    “I mean, the real problem with race in America is a very, very beaten-down, pathetic, self-defeating black underclass that is — uh, just can’t seem to get its way going in the way that blacks were able to before the scourge of drugs and the scourge of gangs.”

    The former game show host and Nixon administration official cited drugs and family destruction as a “crisis in the black community” that President Obama has not addressed.

    “I mean, it’s an amazing thing — blacks were on their way in this country, even after the horrors of slavery, and then drugs came in, the destruction of families came in, and the crisis in the black community is just absolutely unbelievable. And that, it seems to me, is something that Mr. Obama could have addressed, and he just ignored it completely.”

    During an appearance on Fox News Sunday last week, Stein called Obama “the most racist president there has ever been in America.”

    Neglecting to mention that his boss Richard Nixon was a rabid racist who started a drug war that decimated black communities throughout the country, or Woodrow Wilson who oversaw the revival of the KKK, Ben Stein typifies the modern American who clings to racism and its methodologies by demanding that prohibition continue forever.

    • Windy says:

      Yep, the two things which are most responsible for breaking down the formerly successful and upward bound black communities was first the unconstitutional welfare programs (mothers got more money if they were NOT married or at least not living with their husbands), and the racist effects of the unconstitutional prohibition of some drugs.

      • Servetus says:

        It’s subjugation, no matter how you call it. Moms with wrongly colored children, and even those meeting White Anglo Saxon Protestant social standards, turn to welfare because the paterfamilias is in jail on drug charges.

      • Duncan20903 says:


        66% of births in Iceland are to unmarried mothers.

        Titled Patterns of Nonmarital Childbearing in the United States,” the report was released by the National Center for Health Statistics, part of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

        Out-of-wedlock births are also rising in much of the industrialized world: in Iceland, 66 percent of children are born to unmarried mothers; in Sweden, the share is 55 percent. (In other societies, though, the phenomenon remains rare — just 2 percent in Japan, for example.)

      • Windy says:

        Boy a couple people (prohibidiots? prohibitches? welfare state supporters?) did NOT like that comment.

  13. divadab says:

    Ya my local rag ran this article also – fucking prohibition parasites.

  14. allan says:

    Speaking of shrunken brains… Nyssa, OR is considering emergency measures to ban now legal cannabis within the city limits. Pot would be considered a public nuisance, rats, etc. I wonder if they’ve ever been in a hay barn?

    • allan says:

      word has it that Nyssa had it’s largest turnout ever for a city council mtg… no ordinance passed. 🙂 that’s voting with your feet!

  15. DdC says:

    Brain swelling may be common with Alzheimer’s drugs

    Dementias with Associated ‘Brain Swelling’
    In addition to volume loss and signal change, structural MRI allows an assessment of ‘brain swelling’ – we use this here as an umbrella term to cover a range of conditions with apparent increases in volume (or pressure) of a part of the brain or a cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) compartment – the brain may not be literally ‘swollen’ in all of these.

    NFL Dementia… Using Pot To Save Brains!
    The NFL estimates that nearly three in 10 former players will develop debilitating brain conditions, and that they will be stricken earlier and twice as often as the general population.

    Using Pot To Save Brains!

    A Day in the Life of A Dementia Sufferer

    • Windy says:

      Alzheimer’s seems to be related to depression in some way, they d o not know if it is the very earliest effects of the dementia, causes the dementia or just that people who are subject to depression are also subject to dementia due to something about their brains. Cannabis relieves depression as well as having a beneficial effect on the memories of those who already have dementia.

      One of my good friends (known her since first grade) has early dementia (not Alzheimer’s). She has not been a cannabis user (and, tmk, never had depression), I have been encouraging her to get her medical license and start taking some edibles (told her to just take a quarter of what the suggested dose is) and gradually increase the amount she eats. I even gave her some brownies I made that were quite weak (accidental, but good for her) which I had in the freezer because hubby and I found them too weak to bother with. I’ll be suggesting RSO, eventually.
      My sister-in-law has advanced dementia, probably Alzheimer’s, my brother has his hands full trying to maintain his job (luckily he can do a lot of it from home on the computer) and take care of her. He tells me the things she does, his life is hell right now but he cannot afford to institutionalize her even though that is where she now needs to be, apparently some drastic incident needs to happen before she can be institutionalized involuntarily and she currently will not consent and she has fits if anyone she does not know comes into their house, so he can’t hire someone to relieve him occasionally. It’s a nightmare. I think it is too late for cannabis to help her, but perhaps my brother should try it, anyway, even if just calms her down it would be beneficial to both of them.

      • Crut says:

        My heart goes out to your brother and his wife. I don’t even know what I would do in his (or her) situation…

      • primus says:

        Too bad you aren’t Canadians. Our system would take care of your sis-in-law. Your brother would not be impoverished by it. Once again, our system is better.

        • Duncan20903 says:


          Do you realize that you’re talking about a Country whose population is so thick that we can’t deal with abandoning the English standards of weight and measure? We don’t even care that the English have abandoned that system. Oh the irony, the humanity, the denial, the stupidity…

      • NorCalNative says:

        Windy, I don’t think it’s ever too late to begin therapy with oral cannabinoids. Remarkably, there are more cannabinoid receptors in the brain than any other neurotransmitter.

        Putting metabolic pressure on the endocannabinoid system with oral cannabinoids WILL WORK to reduce inflammation and amyloid plaques and other junk that “gunks-up” our neural synapses.

        Improved memory from cannabis use is based on the removal or clearing-out of plaque-like material that interferes with the brain’s nerve-signal pathways.

        The only caveat may be the use of high-THC versions of RSO, at least until tolerance is developed. The sooner your brother’s wife gets started the sooner your family can hope for improvement.

        While the population sample-size is small, I have ZERO knowledge of any of my long-time using pot-smoking friends developing symptoms of dementia or Alzheimer’s.

        • allan says:

          I’m a living case sample… my dad died from a stroke brought on from his Alzheimer’s. It was a terrible thing to watch him leave. I’m the last one in my family to visit my dad during a lucid period (which was a wonderful but too short an experience).

          He passed at 74, I’ll be 64 next year. So do I have 10 years left or will my decades of cannabis consumption be my guardian angel? Stay tuned.

          On a personal note… ordered my WiFi and should be here Fri or Sat! I’m on pins and needles. 🙂

      • claygooding says:

        From reports and research it seems that fresh green leaf and bud juiced is the ticket for Alzheimer,arthritis,seizures and dementia,,who knew that the most medicine is in the raw plant?

        The more thc and cbd’s the better the medicine of course but you lose the high. It takes a lot less marijuana to treat people than oil does and that is going to really bum some oil producers out,,,but that is because we are still re-discovering how to use marijuana.

        If no fresh bud is available dried bud will do how ever curing the bud activates some of the thc resulting in a slight buzz. Since we were not issued four stomachs like a cow the marijuana must be turned into dust.

        You can take two grams a day mixed with peanut butter and jelly to get it down or fill capsules with it and take them. It won’t hurt them if you double the dose at first just to be sure you are giving them enough.

        I would try this now while locating the RSO,,the results on dementia and the big A is reputed to only take a couple of days to see improvment.

        • Windy says:

          My sister-in-law is too far gone for it to matter that there is no high associated with ingesting raw cannabis, she never smoked it anyway, that I know of, though my brother did, and still does from time to time, but he doesn’t smoke much cuz it puts him to sleep.

          I’m sending all this info to my brother, hope he takes it and uses it.

      • Duncan20903 says:


        For me the most hurtful things about Alzheimers was the first time my dad forgot my my name.

        Another part that I deeply regret was when I found out that cannabis helps people with Alzheimer’s and had never thought take him some ABT cookies. It would have been better than how the nursing homes use haloperidol in lieu of a straight jacket. I very highly recommend that you research that nasty drug,

        After pop had been living in the nursing home for about two years. I became convinced that he was knockin’ on heaven’s door because he had eyes which appeared to me to be dead. After about three years later I was compelled to decide that his death had never been imminent. So guess what actually is in fact a side effect of taking haloperidol? You guessed it:dead eyes.

        I knew about the side effects of haliperidol going all the way back to the 1970s. But I wasn’t privvy to Dad’s list of various prescription drug habits and had no clue that geriatric patients might be prescribed that particular compound.

        • allan says:

          I feel ya Duncan. My last visit w/ my dad was at the state hospital in Tacoma. I was there for 3 hours or so. Sat down in the little open dining area and had a cup o’ joe. Sat there. And sat there…

          … and then dad looks at me and says, “the beard, is that new?” I grinned. Yeah dad. “You still in Oregon?” Yup. We had maybe 20 minutes of real, he-recognized-me conversation. Both my sis and my mom hated being in that institution so I was the only one that had a quality, final connection. But I had to wait a good while for him to rise above the confusion his brain was in…

          I’ll throw myself off a cliff before I go thru that particular and inescapable hell.

  16. Howard says:

    Of course the Daily Mail (UK) puts their own spin on the ‘shrunken brain/cannabis link’;

    “Scientists at the universities of Texas and New Mexico found the drug does warp key structures in the brain.”

    I guess shrunkeness can be construed as warped, especially if you work for the Daily Mail.

    Elsewhere in their article — but purposefully not emphasized;

    “The scientists said that because their study represented a simple snapshot of users’ brains, and did not monitor them over time, they could not be certain that the damage was directly caused by the drug.”

    Not too certain of the shrunkeness now, eh? Interesting…

    And this sentence that contradicts itself;

    “While our study does not conclusively address whether any or all of the brain changes are a direct consequence of marijuana use, these effects do suggest that these changes are related to age of onset and duration of use.”

    Uh wait, if your study does not conclusively prove anything regarding marijuana use, then how do the supposed effects suggest anything either? Those cannabis studiers are a befuddled lot. Carry on.

  17. DdC says:

    Smoking cannabis every day ‘shrinks brain but increases its connectivity’

    Dementia swells the brain.

    Conservatives have larger fear centers in the brain.

    12,000 years of use then cold turkey prohibition abstinence.

    Cannabis is good for the brain and memory.

    That doesn’t sit well trying to dumb down America or sell pharmaceuticals.

    • Windy says:

      Did you check out the comments and their rankings? Seems the UK has more prohibidiots per capita than the US.

  18. “Cannabis boosts brain connectivity”

    “…our study does not conclusively address whether any or all of the brain changes are a direct consequence of marijuana use”

    Its pretty bad when the press is played for a tool in the drug war portion of the government/health,etc. industrial complex.

  19. mr Ikasheeni says:

    If anyones still musing about last week’s elections, I remember the PDFA PSA’s on Air America.

  20. cy klebs says:

    There is nothing wrong with our cranium muscle in acknowledging that our founding fathers grew hemp and dabbled with its medicinal properties.

  21. A bit OT

    Ethan Nadelmann:

    Why we need to end the War on Drugs

  22. Duncan20903 says:


    The more “stupid” that they “prove” that we are, the funnier it is that we’ve kicked their pathetic asses at the ballot box.

    ROFLMAO at their dimwittedness!

  23. kaptinemo says:

    The more they lose ground, the crazier they’ll get. The kind of crazy that once said that ‘pot makes men grow boobs’ with a completely straight face and wide, staring eyes. ‘Raving loon on street corner’ crazy.

    But, in my estimation, we ain’t seen nothin’, yet. The prohibs have been holding out on us.

    In a last ditch effort, The Crazy Uncles are being rousted from their attics and being sent to the front lines in a desperate ‘forlorn hope’, a prohib version of a WW2 banzai charge. The all-out gibbering, foaming lunacy has only now been trotted to the starting gate, awaiting the signal to leap forth, full bore. Like using mental patients to clear minefields by letting them madly dance through them.

    Excuse me; I’m getting some popcorn for the upcoming performance.

    • Duncan20903 says:


      I’m not even worried about it anymore Our (for all practical purposes) sweep on “Elect a Republican” Election Day tells me that the people have decided. The one we “lost” was the one where we had the highest percentage of votes. I couldn’t believe that Ms. Calvina was stupid enough to say “the people have spoken” but she did. 58-42, you’re right sweetie, the people have spoken. They just didn’t say why you heard in Calvina Fantasy Land.

      While I agree with you that we’re going to get some laughs because the people you’re calling the crazy uncles, I don’t agree that it’s because of desperation. I think that it’s because that’s all who’s left on their side of the table. They’re getting out of the attic because there’s no one to make sure that they can’t get out. Hey, that reminds me, have we fed the wiggle dude lately?

      • darkcycle says:

        I threw the last of the tainted Halloween candy up the attic stairs a few days ago, it’s gone. I hear scratching noises occasionally, but it might be rats. And somebody has been eating peanut butter off a fork in the middle of the night, but that might be Pete…. As far as the Wiggles, I think he’s cool….wanna go up and look?
        *shouting* “Hey Wiggles…show yourself, bro…”

  24. thelbert says:

    when you vape a bud, a prohibitch brain somewhere on the planet shrinks.

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