Open Thread

bullet image Ethan Nadelmann has a pretty powerful Ted talk: What has the war on drugs done to the world, which includes this apt description of our drug war exports: “international projection of a domestic psychosis.”

Personally, I’m a 7-day-a-week legalizer, but I still thought it was a very good speech.

bullet image Ethan also debates Kevin Sabet on CNN. Haven’t watched it yet. How does he do?

bullet image Froma Harrop: Beyond marijuana: Legalize all drugs

So what do we do about the rest of the war — the war on heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine and the other nastier stuff? The answer is legalize them, too. […]

Make drugs legal; regulate them; and tax them. The final destination for the war on drugs should be oblivion, the sooner the better.

A reminder that marijuana is only the first step.

[Thanks, Richard]

bullet image Media Leaping to Extremely Faulty Conclusions from Study on the Effects of Marijuana on the Brain

Yeah, no kidding.

bullet image Maia Szalavitz tweets the best advice to media covering any drug-related studies:

protip: if you are reporting on a study, at least read the abstract. if u can’t even do that, you shouldn’t be writing about it

bullet image Awwww…. apparently Yuri Fedotov isn’t thrilled with our marijuana legalization efforts in the states. U.S. states’ pot legalization not in line with international law: UN agency

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68 Responses to Open Thread

  1. DonDig says:

    Kevin is not only ignorant, he is extremely rude. (Obviously he’s just in it for the money from whatever source.)
    He acts as though he must attempt to stay in control or he will lose the discussion. That stance, of course, insures his loss.

    I really enjoyed Ethan’s TED talk as well. Good stuff.

    Ultimately legalizing everything is the only way to actually do something proactive about the drug cartels.

    • Windy says:

      And this may just get us there:

      Democrats from Colorado, Oregon and the District will join Republican Rep. Dana Rohrabacher of California for a news conference on Thursday to highlight changing attitudes about pot and the potential for more states to make it legal. They’ll also discuss how they think Congress should — or shouldn’t — weigh in on state drug policy.

      Hmm wonder where our WA State congressional representatives and senators are? Not on this list, but why? WA residents, we need to demand the one’s who claim to represent our districts and the two senators who are supposed to represent our State join this coalition.

      • Freeman says:

        I get the feeling WA authorities didn’t want legal pot, and don’t want it to succeed. Why else would they hire (k)Lieman’s bunch?

        • claygooding says:

          We will never see any paperwork on it but Kleiman was what the DOJ gave the Governor of Washington when he/she made the trip to DC for a meeting just before they hired K.

  2. Servetus says:

    “‘I don’t see how (the new [state] laws) can be compatible with existing conventions,’ Yury Fedotov, executive director of the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), told reporters.”

    Bravo to Yury Fedotov. He finally figured it out. The laws are indeed incompatible, but not for the legal reasons Yury believes.

    The principal problem is the United Nations drug conventions are not compatible with the international conventions dealing with human rights. Human rights violations refer to the:

    Persecution against any identifiable group or collectivity on political, racial, national, ethnic, cultural, religious, gender as defined in paragraph 3, or other grounds that are universally recognized as impermissible under international law, in connection with any act referred to in this paragraph or any crime within the jurisdiction of the Court;[…]

    To fall under the Rome Statute, a crime against humanity which is defined in Article 7.1 must be “part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population”. Article 7.2.a states “For the purpose of paragraph 1: “Attack directed against any civilian population means a course of conduct involving the multiple commission of acts referred to in paragraph 1 against any civilian population, pursuant to or in furtherance of a State or organizational policy to commit such attack.” This means that an individual crime on its own, or even a number of such crimes, would not fall under the Rome Statute unless they were the result of a State policy or an organizational policy.

    Yury Fedotov is operating an international crime syndicate called the UNODC. The UNODC systematically promotes and facilitates human rights violations against drug consumers. The violations fall within the purview of the International Criminal Court. It is imperative the offending UNODC be abolished if State and church sponsored drug enforcement crimes leading to death and degradation are to be stopped.

    • Windy says:

      The UN is not a master I recognize (neither do I recognize the power of the fed, State, or even the local gov to tell me how to live my life). The UN cannot tell me what to do, nor what I may not do in my daily life, especially since most of the delegates to it are criminals, terrorists and warmongers, and the countries that make it up are mostly tyrannies. It is not a legitimate government, because no one involved in it is elected.

  3. Matthew Meyer says:

    The debate ends with KS trying desperately to get people to listen to him as EN sits back and chuckles, telling him to “stop making stuff up.”

    EN was relaxed and incisive, also telling KS at one point how nice it was to watch him become a “footnote to history.”

    I don’t think Sabet has any points that will win over anyone who doesn’t already agree with him.

    • Tony Aroma says:

      I especially liked the footnote remark!

    • Matthew Meyer says:

      I really hope that downvote was not on accident. That would mean someone read my comment and was hurt by the truth. I’m not much for schadenfreude usually, but that one I’d take in a second.

  4. Frank W. says:

    Sabet has huge allies on his side. Witness the CNN title “Washington’s Pot Problem.” or the brain-shrinking headline of this site’s earlier post. Not to mention badge-bunny porn like “Border Wars” and Al Roker’s show “DEA”.

    • Randy says:

      If it bleeds, it leads.

      Or in the case of drugs, if the story indicates there’s even the slightest chance of harm from drugs, it leads.

    • free radical says:

      Also that offensive and disgustingly biased lead-in from the commercial break:
      “Has america gone to pot? Or should we rethink legalization?”
      Those are both negative, prohibitionist positions! What about including in the choices the idea that legalization is a good thing?
      This is why tv news is unwatchable, but thanks, Ethan for that entertaining rhetorical beating you dished out on the kev.

      • B.Snow says:

        “Has america gone to pot? Or should we rethink legalization?”
        Those are both negative, prohibitionist positions!

        Not necessarily guys, over the last decade I’ve become a hermit and a news junkie… or maybe you could say a media-hound & info-hound. This includes music, movies, magazines, books, etc. I was a voracious reader & I’m still an information sponge.

        I sometimes get antsy when I don’t have a tv and/or music on in the background = even now I have History2 on TV wg subtitles & internet radio in one or both ears (via ear-bud headphones)… while reading stuff hear from the couch, and stuff from y’all’s links, Reason, or whatever.

        Anyway, my point is I’m 99% certain that this lead-in quote was written that way to catch everyone’s attention. (Presumably written for commercials advertising this debate – after the election results and the “Ooh look, the Gallup Poll went down” a few points!)

        Statements like that are designed to let people “read into that” whichever idea appeals to them – and have/let/lead them hope that there’s maybe been some great change in the status quo (which unless you live under a rock) = odds are you know about the ballot initatives, and that this is just another debate in which Sabet getting his ass handed to him = Yet Again!

        This has happened several times with various people on a variety of news
        shows, last time Sabet tried to Skype in from California and had ‘technical issues’ with his mic IIRC, which made it really easy for Don Lemon to semi-ignore him and let the other people there = actually converse without being uninterrupted by Kev’s bullshit stats – every time the discussion goes outside his preferred area of the greater debate.

        Like how Kev kept trying to interject w/ his whole desperately trying to make legal free-market cannabis as a business into a corporate boogeyman routine…
        The best part was when Don said “lemme get some popcorn”…

        That’s how we know we’re winning. Don did seem to sorta try and ‘call Ethan out’ about some prior claim about “not smoking” weed anymore = which is funny because he pretty much said/(implied) he’d switched to vaporizing it at that point. So his “not smoking” claim was technically not untrue.

        (I’m 95% certain Don was just teasing Ethan = to keep Kevie from feeling so butt-hurt about how badly he’d just lost that debate, that he wouldn’t comeback again.)

        It also served to illustrate just how far the debate has come = to point where Ethan can say he’s been a regular cannabis user since he was 18, got thru law school & whatnot – Yet he still has to qualify his remarks to note he’s not a daily user)

        Kinda like when Clinton took back his “didn’t inhale” line & spun it into – he might have had pot brownies or something similar, Or that he was totally joking about it *back in the day*, And that maybe he should have said he “didn’t exhale” = And therefore “hadn’t smoked it”…

        There was something like that said in one (or maybe spead over the course of two) recent interviews, where he kinda said that we all know its not all that serious an issue NOW – compared to back then – AND he’d said what he had to as a politician at the time who was serious about being elected.
        That is practically the definition of politics, or at the very least a good working definition.

        The takeaway here Kevie is going to be a footnote in history -at best- he ought to quit now, while there are a few people who still respect him OR rather people who don’t laugh in his face like Ethan & Don both just did = right there *immortalized* on YouTube!

  5. allan says:

    [allan chomps at bit, eager to watch Kev get punked]

    • Duncan20903 says:


      For me it’s always an anti-climax because Kev-Kev never realizes that he’s getting or has gotten punked. Still, thumbs up for choosing such a perfect descriptor.

      I really wish that I could give Mr. Nadelman a thumbs up for his valiant dedication and willingness to go above and beyond the call. He’s probably got a relatively unknown secret. For example, people that work in the vicinity of dead bodies coat their upper lip with Vick’s VapoRub and others might smoke a cigar. Pehaps Mr. Nadelman has a proprietary formula of Sabet repellent in beta testing.

  6. claygooding says:

    It is a good thing none of the countries that signed the STC under the boot of the US UN delegation in 1961 bothered to read a history book on how good the US government is at keeping treaties,,we only keep them as long as it benefits us,,when a world market for marijuana starts up the STC will no longer be worth our time and resources because we will have lost control of the hemp production and the other drugs are just window dressing trying to keep hemp off the open market.

  7. Randy says:

    I love Sabet’s red herring about liquor stores. It’s zoning ordinances that often keep liquor stores out of affluent areas. And it’s also not surprising that religious types who support the WOD also complain about liquor stores as well. For many believers, it’s okay to get high on god, but not anything else.

    • Uncle Albert's Nephew says:

      Walk around on 1st ave. in Manhattan on the Upper East Side sometime. There’s a liquor store about every 2 blocks. In Brooklyn you have to walk 10 or 15 blocks to find a liquor store. I did that several years ago after I read one of those articles complaining about all the liquor stores in poor neighborhoods. In NYC at least they’re thicker on the ground in the rich parts of town.

  8. Duncan20903 says:


    The Vermont Legislature decided to explore the thought of cannabis re-legalization in that State. So they hired RAND to do a study on the idea. I guess that The Professor got a little too greedy when he bid on this job.

    But for crying out loud, talk about the blind leading the blind…

    Beau Kilmer, co-director of RAND’s drug policy research center, outlined the shape of his group’s research. Kilmer said RAND does not have a position on marijuana legalization.

    Of course they don’t. How in the world would it make any sense for paid for results science whores to cut off half of the potential market for their expertise?

    Kilmer said lawmakers should expect a near book-length treatise covering four major areas: the marijuana “landscape” in Vermont, from market demand to the money spent on enforcing current laws; an analysis of health and safety issues that put the growing body of research into context; alternative policy designs for taxation and regulation, should Vermont choose legalization; and financial projections about consumption, revenues and related costs.

  9. DdC says:

    Survey of the Endocannabinoid System in Medical Schools
    by David B. Allen M.D. in Blog · Feature · Science — 18 Jul, 2014
    The discovery of the endocannabinoid system (ECS) is the single most important scientific medical discovery since the recognition of sterile surgical technique. As our knowledge expands, we are coming to realize that the ECS is a master control system of virtually all physiology. The total effect of the ECS is to regulate homeostasis and prevent disease and aging. The more we learn, the more we realize that we are in the infancy of this scientific field of study.

    Some of the responses to the questions asked in this survey, ranging from passive-aggressive to blissfully ignorant:

    Does the study argue a causal relationship between cannabis use and harm exists, or just a correlation?

    The rooster crows immediately before sunrise, therefore the rooster causes the sun to rise.

    – The Wikipedia example for “Post hoc ergo propter hoc”, a logical fallacy of the questionable cause variety.

    Rules delay brings heartache to families awaiting marijuana oil

    What’s that message kids? Too risky to reduce little sisters seizures from 300 to 2 or 3? Can’t take a chance and lose criminal counts. Worried about the “underground” market? The ones who are dealing with it now.

    Is Congress Keeping Black Market Marijuana Dealers In Business?
    via @YahooFinance

    Isn’t that what they really wanted all along?

    Pot Legalization: Gateway to What?

    Incremental Illness
    Most Americans behind bars are there for violating state laws, so that’s where the ACLU plans to focus.

    California Cops Are Trained ‘Marijuana Is Not A Medicine’
    By Steve Elliott, SF Weekly – Tuesday, August 4 2009
    A recent court case in San Diego has revealed some California police officers are basing their sworn court testimony in medical marijuana cases on badly outdated, legally inaccurate information.

  10. darkcycle says:

    Ethan mops the floor with him. Kevvie is way too eager to steer the conversation around to his talking points, and Ethan just deflects them. It IS PRICELESS when Ethan pats him on his (amply fed) shoulders and tells him he’ll enjoy watching him become a footnote. And Don Lemmon can hardly keep from laughing when he introduces him.
    All in all, Kevvie looked like the proverbial deer caught in the headlights of an oncoming 300mph freight train.

  11. MJ Verite says:

    Nadelmann’s TED talk was excellent. I haven’t watched the debate with Sabet yet. I think I know how it turned out. I’ve seen Sabet’s presentations before, and I’m not impressed. It’s not just that I disagree with him. I was too small to play football, but my mouth was big enough to get me onto the high school debate team. We would’ve minced him. I continue to be amazed that his “arguments” and his “evidence” are used to build and maintain national policy. God, I need a drink.

    • Nunavut Tripper says:

      Kevin kept frantically interrupting…a unprofessional and rude debater.

      And the shit about “On no we can’t ban alcohol as it’s too deeply ingrained in our culture”.
      As if man just discovered cannabis in our lifetimes.

      Pretty lame Kev…,I hear they’re hiring at Burger King.

      • DdC says:

        We should just have a big ole Ganja PoW exchange with the Sabetite Gossip queens. They don’t deserve jobs at Burger King…

    • primus says:

      Minced. Perfect word. Feels right.

  12. claygooding says:

    Is Texas Ready for Medical Marijuana?

    Published on Nov 13, 2014
    Nov. 12, 2014

    A discussion of the therapeutic promise and legislative possibility for medical marijuana in Texas featuring an experienced legal grower and dispensary operator from New Mexico, a physician, a Baker Institute drug policy expert, a veteran Texas legislator, and current user and non-user advocates and activists. ‘end’

    All is not impossible,,the DC legalization vote is shaking up state legislators MORE than any other has,,,how do you prosecute people for something that is legal in our nation’s capitol???

  13. Servetus says:

    Footnote on Kevin Sabet, I’ve noticed recently that KS is trying to brand himself as the new, friendly, good guy prohibitionist. Notice that he is seen constantly smiling and being Mr. Jovial in interviews and public statements: “No sir-ee, I’m not the guy sending drug consumers to their death by boredom in rehab, or even to jail. All smiles and bad teeth. Look, I’m Mr. Nice Guy, I’m totally saving the world from the utter destruction caused by marijuana consumption. I’m a hero.”

    Not only will Sabet’s latest PR ploy not work, we already have a Mr. Nice, notably one of the most successful marijuana smugglers in history, Howard Marks. If Kevin’s not careful, he could end up the defendant in a trademark lawsuit.

  14. primus says:

    I saw St. Pierre ‘mince’ a prohibapologist on a talk show. He was about three times as aggressive as EN was in this clip. At the end, the other guy had a sick look on his face, a look of relief that the drubbing was finally coming to an end. I have never seen his face again. That is what it takes–drub them unmercifully. Call them out on their lies, their half lies and manipulations of statistics. Accuse them of arrogance, of misleading the public, of being bald faced liars. Once they have experienced that, they will be very unwilling to repeat it. Once Kev-Kev- has had his ass handed to him publicly, repeatedly, he will disappear.

  15. Crut says:

    I don’t want people to be arrested either!


    Ethan: Your preference, you say you can keep the Gangsters making the money…
    Kevin: Not off Marijuana..

    Dammit, now there’s coffee on my monitor.

    Ethan: There’s going to be money in this one way or another.
    Kevin: Sure, I understand that.
    Ethan: Your preference is for the criminals to earn it.
    Kevin: No.

    On the whole, that’s probably the worst lie that he has. That he “understands”. If he actually understands, then he’s just an asshole.

    Kevin, if your preference is NOT for the criminals to earn the money, then WHO actually should make the money from selling it?

    • Howard says:

      Here’s one major question I wish someone would ask Kevin “Dummy Bears” Sabet:

      “What would you want to see happen to someone who is reported by their neighbor for smoking pot on their back porch (their own back porch of course)?”

      I’d want a thoroughly detailed answer. A complete clarification of the so-far muddled ‘third way’ approach. Kevin recently has claimed he doesn’t want people to be arrested for consuming marijuana on their own property. In the example above, would the back porch smoker be left alone? Arrested on the spot? Visited by law enforcement and subjected to mandatory evaluation (i.e., a possible candidate for forced rehab)? Given a citation? And if by some slim chance the porch smoker was left alone the first time, what would Kevin and his SAM minions want to happen if the porch smoker was reported a second time?

      I suspect Kevin Sabet and SAM’s prohibition lite would still be overly punitive in spite of his seemingly softened stance about private property consumption and letting people grow their own. I do not trust his “let them smoke in their basement” description (why is this guy obsessed with gummy bears and basements?). So far he’s been too squirrely — and gummy — about how his ‘third way’ would play out in a real life scenario. And I suspect he doesn’t really want to describe the nuts and bolts for all to see. Because, ultimately, he’s a coward more than anything else, and he knows his ‘third way’ is no way the vast majority of people would approve of.

    • DdC says:

      Zero Tolerance. Genocide. Sabetage would make the plant extinct in the name of his God. Just too much milk on his fruit loops to even contemplate anything else. There is no differentiation between Gangsters or Dispensaries. It’s the healthern devil weed with roots in hell that no one should have legally and interfere with his investments in rehabilitation, pharmaceuticals and private prisons.

  16. claygooding says:

    You know what,,,I was going to go to CO and smoke a legal joint but now I gotta drive to DC to smoke a legal joint,,,anyone have a better date than the first day Congress goes back to work after it is legal?

    • thelbert says:

      better smoke that joint on the steps of congress before congress takes steps to abrogate the will of the people.

      • claygooding says:

        It ain’t going to happen but I wish it would because that would pull the mask off that we are a government of the people by the people for the people,,,the DC city council did not pass this,,the people voted it in,,however Congress can stop them from producing or selling marijuana,,then as the DOJ explained in the Judiciary Committee,,what good does it do?
        You end up with a legalized drug and only a black market to deliver it,,what we have now but no users can be persecuted.

  17. Duncan20903 says:


    I guess that it’s nice to have a dad in high places.

    Gov. Beebe to Pardon Son Over Marijuana Conviction
    LITTLE ROCK, Ark. — Nov 13, 2014

    • allan says:

      or have a high dad in places… 🙂

    • B.Snow says:

      To be fair, I’m pretty sure he’s pardon something like 700 other people there…

      IDK when he started with those pardonsn but I heard that it wasn’t “just yesterday” = But, I didn’t here how long beforehand he started with the pardons.

      It seemed that some folks questioned whether he planned it out ahead of time or not – they said when asked about it that he hadn’t done it earlier = because his son never asked him to do so, it was an 11 year old conviction.

      I say let’s not “look a gift horse in the mouth” about it… But try to get him to continue to influence public opinion in favor of reform & further pardons in the future – and not let it be limited to people of privileged families & social standing.

      Was this “judicial nepotism”? I can’t say, if it was he seems to have gone fairly far out of his way to mitigate and/or avoid that appearance.

      There really should be some calls from reform groups & maybe the ACLU – for the former governor to speak for at the behest of others in future.

      Preferably, not from people pestering him relentlessly or endlessly about it, or he might refuse to be a part of discussions on the issue – But letting him *slip into the debate on the right side of history* – seems quite plausible & reasonable to me.

  18. DemsREvil2 says:

    * Scott Shirey was driving his twins to swimming practice when their car was hit by a distracted driver in an overloaded pickup truck who blew through a stop light. One of the twins died. Wanna guess who was charged?…

    Even though another driver caused the accident, it was the Island Lake father who faced up to 14 years in prison. He was not impaired at the time, but Shirey, now 52, was charged two months later after a blood test showed traces of marijuana in his system from — according to his attorney — smoking it a month beforehand.

    “Nothing can possibly illustrate this idiotic law more than the Scott Shirey case,” defense attorney Patrick O’Byrne said. “It’s incomprehensible how bad the law is. It’s a worst-case scenario, charged with the homicide of your own son for smoking pot that had nothing to do with the accident.”

    Yet prosecutors, law enforcement and Attorney General Lisa Madigan unequivocally support the law.

    “The legislature has said, ‘If you’re going to consume these illegal drugs — illegally — you can’t drive,’” said Kane County State’s Attorney Joe McMahon, noting the law clearly states drivers testing positive for any amounts of the drug are breaking the law.

    Exact same issue occurred in Champaign County. The sentence came out 4 days ago.

    Defense attorney Steve Amjad of Champaign argued forcefully that Bretz (def.) was not feeling the effects of the cannabis he had consumed two weeks earlier when the accident happened.

    He also argued that Mr. Jones (man killed) may have been speeding, a factor the judge could not consider at trial but one he could at sentencing, Amjad said.

    So medical marijuana users can’t drive anymore? Somebody should tell them.

    • Servetus says:

      People who believe in absurdities (marijuana propaganda), commit atrocities (like issuing 8-year jail sentences for weed).

      The next time someone says no one goes to jail for marijuana, activists can counter with the Scott Shirey case. It’s interesting how prohibs always manage to provide the best material for creating opposition to their own drug war.

  19. Here we are talking about shrunken brains and Kevin while the press runs with a few lines from a study they didn’t read and can’t understand. Meanwhile headlines like this are lost in the shuffle:

    State Dept. fails to track billions of U.S. dollars in Afghan anti-drug efforts

    “…as of June, the U.S. government had spent roughly “$7.6 billion on counternarcotics efforts in Afghanistan,” with funding coming from the State Department, the Pentagon, the Drug Enforcement Administration and the U.S. Agency for International Development.”

    “The letter noted that despite such spending, the U.N. reported that Afghan farmers grew an unprecedented 516,000 acres of poppies in 2013, surpassing the previous peak of 477,000 acres in 2007.”

    Billions. Yet, in the bigger picture of the drug war this is only pocket change. Kevin Sabet is nothing more than an official government distraction to the fleecing of America.

    • claygooding says:

      Geez,,,$7.6 billion and not one bust,,not one seizure of drug money,,not one person killed in a SWAT TEAM raid,,,they could hire a street addict and he would have busted them all by now.

      The returns for dollars invested is ridiculous enough but then they lose it after getting it there,,or did it ever get to AFG in the first place,,,,I am sure someone has a slip of paper as proof it was all delivered to AFG at least.
      It is prolly similar to those slips of paper the DEA keeps proving the marijuana in those warehouses has been properly destroyed,,,signed by some agent named Guzman..

  20. Servetus says:

    ISIS is reported to be executing people for smoking. The news feeds don’t specify what they’re smoking, so it could be anything, tobacco, hash, opium, camel turds. We now have historical proof that prohibitionists are no better than ISIS.

  21. thelbert says:

    i don’t have a cell phone, but if i did, i would probably care about this:

  22. NorCalNative says:

    DdC has a post up on this thread about the teaching of the ENDOCANNABINOID SYSTEM in U.S. medical schools.

    As it turns out, ONLY 13.3% of medical schools in the U.S. offer ANY instruction on cannabis and the endocannabinoid system.

    Why is this a big deal? It’s a big deal because Western Medicine or allopathic medicine bills itself as an EVIDENCE-BASED SYSTEM!

    What the lack of medical school instruction shows is just how much BIG PHARMA runs, controls, and dominates U.S. physicians and hospitals.

    No need to teach doctors about a “STINKY PLANT” when you can just wait awhile for the “pharaceuticallized” version of cannabinoids to start showing up on shelves.

    What kind of “STINKY” nation allows medical-school administrators to be the “gatekeepers” of and for MEDICAL IGNORANCE?

    My tiny cannabis-shrunken brain screams out and rebels against the madness of American Propaganda. Just Say NO to the term “illegally healed!”

    • DdC says:

      Note, not only are the doctors graduating with institutional ignorance. The cops are taught it has no medicinal value either. Then the Neocongress takes these two “exerpts” word when writing policy. I just can’t imagine how this war has lasted so long…

      I’m even more convinced the prohibitches are suffering from CED.

      Does researching casual marijuana use cause brain abnormalities?
      Clinical Endocannabinoid Deficiency

    • Windy says:

      Every year, when I visit my doctor for the annual well exam, I take him info on cannabis’ medical usefulness, this year I printed this out and took it to him:
      And I also printed the other graphic in the comments (right there in plain sight when you follow the link) and gave that one to him, too. I think giving him info like this gives him a jumping off point to do further research on his own. Hopefully it will benefit his other patients, too.

  23. claygooding says:

    It is starting up even quicker than I thought it would,,one day a Republican legislator is explaining to his colleagues that support of marijuana reform is politically advantageous now and the next day a “possible” presidential candidate is going for the nut sack and targeting the real elephant in this bathtub with us.

    ‘The War on Drugs has become the most racially disparate outcome that you have in the entire country. Our prisons are full of black and brown kids. Three fourths of the people in prison are black or brown, and white kids are using drugs at the same rate as these other kids. But kids who have less means, less money, kids who are in areas where the police are patrolling, police who are given monetary incentives to make arrests, monetary incentives for their own departments. I want to end the War on Drugs because it’s wrong for everybody, but particularly because poor people are caught up in this and their lives are ruined by it.’ Snip”


  24. thelbert says:

    i haven’t read all of this but it starts out with tales of Jack Herer:

  25. kaptinemo says:

    When the perennial victim finally turns ’round on the bully and gives the bully a black eye, invariably the bully complains of being bullied.

    Kevvie represents the bully – who, as their representative, been given a very public black eye. Whining expected in 3…2…1.

    I’ve been saying for years that reformers needed to get down and dirty with the prohibs, in the trenches where the prohibs grow faint at the sight of the mud and blood they caused there with their policies. We’re used to it; they’re not. Showing them up as ignorant, incompetent fools (see the Madras testimony in the rescheduling hearing) doesn’t hurt, either.

    Now is the time to publicly grab them by the scruff of their official necks and rub their ivory-tower clean faces in the mess they’ve made in real life. Now is the time to follow George Danton’s admonition: “De l’audace, encore de l’audace, et toujours de l’audace” and keep after them, no rest, no let up.

    Kevvie is the best they’ve got…and he’s just been bested. As has Ethan, go thou, and do likewise.

  26. ArgutePragmatism says:

    “A new Big Issue-style magazine designed to give hardcore drug users a source of money beyond theft and prostitution is being sold on London’s streets. The first English-language edition, published by Danish drug-reform campaigners, was last week given to people dependent on drugs. Those who buy the £3.50 magazine are advised the seller is “more than likely” to spend the money on drugs.

    The quarterly magazine Illegal!, which was launched in Denmark in September 2013, has enjoyed a circulation of up to 15,000 copies. An initial 2,000 copies of the English-language version are being offered to drug users in Hoxton, east London.

    The magazine’s foreword says: “Everyone has a right to do with their body as they wish and, if that means a two-day acid trip in Camden or an ecstasy-fuelled night in Shoreditch, then so be it. What we lack is education. Welcome to Illegal! magazine in London.””


  27. Servetus says:

    Salon has a piece detailing the real cause of death of Elvis Presley.

    Salon notes what apparently not many people know due to lack of media coverage: Elvis was a Big Pharma hound dog, a total addict. He OD’d. The official autopsy was sealed by the family. Due to timing and mutual economic interests, the cause of death was immediately announced to be heart failure. In truth, the autopsy staff already knew the atherosclerosis present in Elvis’s vascular system wasn’t that bad, certainly not enough to kill him.

    The forensics study explains Presley’s elevation by Nixon to honorary DEA special agent, because Presley didn’t do those hippie drugs like marijuana and mushrooms; the King was above that, and the Beatles with all their magical mysteries and acid tours.

    Mutual financial interests mean there will be no Len Bias moment for the makers of Dilaudid®. The system is too rigged for that. Had Elvis just dumped Big Pharma for hippie drugs, he might be rocking with Paul and Ringo today.

  28. Can Marijuana Save Harry Reid in 2016?

    Welcome to the world of 2016. I expect there will be a lot more deep contemplation.

  29. Duncan20903 says:


    If the prohibitionists don’t stop or at least slow down they’re going to use up all of their scientific propaganda reserves!
    Secondhand Pot Smoke Can Give Your Heart an Unwelcome Buzz
    Well here’s a compelling opportunity — if you hurry up and register over at you can get a free copy of “Reefer Sanity” written by Calvina’s lap dog Kev-Kev. But hurry, only the first 25 lucky registrants get to enjoy more than a month’s worth of free birdcage liner! Now this isn’t just any old birdcage liner, the good people at the National Zoo use it in the turkey vulture habitat. If you’ve ever seen a vulture’s turds you should understand why that means that Mr. Sabet’s book is high quality industrial strength bird cage liner.

    • claygooding says:

      Why does your heart specialist ask you to exercise for your heart health,,because it raises your heart rate and strengthens your heart,,now here is a method of doing exactly what a heart specialist wants to happen without exercise and it is a bad thing,,,,

    • B.Snow says:

      Saw this on TV the other day, one guy auctioned off (roughly) 500 lbs.

      He had hoped to fetch $1 million but seemed happy enough w/ ‘only’ raking in about $600,000…

      If my calculator is right – that works out to roughly $75 an oz. = which seems like a good deal for everyone given that it was “legal” in the State…

      Still, I can’t imagine that the people who purchased stuff at the auction won’t be on somebody’s watch-list, and that the IRS won’t come knocking for their share of the $600K as well.
      And of course (probably per ‘kliemans’ regs) they couldn’t even touch the stuff prior to purchase = the buyers were limited to smelling the merchandise.

      I gotta say, It looked pretty darn good thru the TV!

      Come on Texas, we could outdo Washington State, Colorado, & D.C. combined!

      It might just help as an alternative crop for some farmers in place of other crops that are less drought resistant and/or just water-needy…

      Cotton being one direct example = grown for fiber that needs twice the water of industrial hemp crops.

      Which can produce a viable substitute fiber to that of the cotton grown here in Texas (effectively) ‘forever’, or (if I’m not mistaken) as long as cotton has been grown commercially.

      Cannabis in smaller non-fiber-crop amounts could be grown in indoor greenhouses, Maybe in place of other vegetables or fruits that aren’t doing well in our current (and future) extended drought conditions.

      The plant that could save Texas farmers in a drought

      And, I found some other quite interesting reading at this site = ( like this article here:
      Houston biotech doctors to host Q&A session
      The second link/article mentions “R.A.M.P.” (Republicans Against Marijuana Prohibition) which is new to me, I would surely remember it if I’d seen it before. Well, probably…

      • Windy says:

        Cotton depletes the soil in which it is grown, requiring yearly crop rotation, whereas hemp (better fiber making longer lasting fabrics) restores the soil in which it is grown meaning no crop rotation is necessary. Hemp is the better choice by far!

    • claygooding says:

      The Brooks Institute had a panel of experts give their support/opposition to re-legalization of marijuana,,I think I posted the link in the last thread about shrunken brains.
      They have another one scheduled soon,,they are really coming out as an ally on ending marijuana prohibition and the war on drugs.

  30. thelbert says:

    here are two articles on cell phone tracking: &

  31. Mr_Alex says:

    Congrats on the US doing the right thing on Cannabis, over in New Zealand where I live, the government has refused to end Cannabis Prohibition or even allow Cannabis or Cannabis Oil for medical use for various ailments, the New Zealand Ministry of Health have even refused to allow Cannabis Oil for Medical use and at worst being caught with it means your career and immigration prospect to other countries are put at risk

    • Duncan20903 says:


      Why are you crediting our government? We’ve done the things you’ve noted in spite of the current crop of elected malignant narcissists. The only way I’m willing to give any politicians credit for our advances is if we’re talking about the public servants who were in office in 1788. Yes, I mean 226 years ago, that’s not a typo.

  32. N.T. Greene says:

    “To see the truth, you’re going to have to open your eyes. You struggle against the light, for the darkness has comforted you, but it does not comfort you any longer. You have begun to have doubts, and you have so many questions. If you seek answers, traveler, then you must be willing to endure those doubts, those unanswered questions. For all you know for certain is that your current state is undesirable — you have simply failed to realize that this is the first step on the road of changes. You may want to retreat from this unfamiliar world, but you and I both know that the road behind you has been forever changed by what you have glimpsed. Perhaps your fear has not yet yielded to hope — perhaps it never will, but if you always yield to your fear, you are doomed to live in a world of illusion.”

    I’m writing a book, guys — lots of work to be done, though. A blend of personal experience with contemporary fantasy styling.

    I’ve found it remains oddly relevant to a variety of situations.

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