Election Thread

This is the day – get out and vote.

Post election stories, results, discussions here.

Here’s a pretty good preview of today’s marijuana votes:

If Legal Cannabis Wins in the US Midterms, It’s No Thanks to the Democratic Party

Update (10:30 a.m. Central): Guam has voted to legalize medical marijuana. (56 of 58 precincts are now in, with Yes leading 56% – 44%.)

According to Tom Angell of Marijuana Majority:

“The marijuana majority is a truly global phenomenon. People all across the world are ready to move beyond failed prohibition laws, especially when seriously ill patients are criminalized just for following their doctors’ recommendations. With these election results, U.S. territories stretching from Guam — where America’s day begins near the International Date Line — to Hawaii and Alaska have sensible laws that let patients use marijuana without fear of arrest. And this is just the beginning of a very big day. It’s likely that we’ll see other important marijuana reforms enacted today as election results come in from races across the U.S.”

Update: (9 p.m. Central):


SAM IS CALLING FLORIDA. The No Campaign has won and Floridians rejected changing their Constitution. @learnaboutsam http://t.co/PaeNjCpJBM


Nice graphic, Kev. And, of course, it’s correct, except for the fact that the majority actually voted YES. It’s just that they needed 60% to win.

Update (9:30 p.m. Central): Victory in Washington, DC

Via Drug Policy Alliance:

According to NPR and USA Today, voters in the District of Columbia have approved Initiative 71, a ballot initiative that legalizes possession of up to two ounces of marijuana for adults over the age of 21 and allows individuals to grow up to six marijuana plants in their home. D.C. laws prevented the ballot initiative from addressing the taxation and sale of marijuana, but the D.C. Council is currently considering a bill that would tax, regulate and strictly control the sale of marijuana to adults.

“This was the first legalization campaign in which the racial disproportionality of marijuana enforcement played a major role,” said Bill Piper, director of national affairs for the Drug Policy Alliance. “Initiative 71 sets the stage for the D.C. Council to create a new model for legalizing marijuana – one that places racial justice front and center.”

Update (10:30 p.m. Central):

It looks like Oregon is a win, according to Fox 12 in Portland.

Tom Angell:

“With Oregon and D.C. coming on board, it’s clear that Colorado and Washington voting to legalize in 2012 was no anomaly. The trend is clear: Marijuana prohibition is coming to an end. As 2016 approaches, we can expect to see many more ambitious national politicians finally trying to win support from the cannabis constituency instead of ignoring and criminalizing us.”

Update (Wednesday morning):

Via Law Enforcement Against Prohibition:

ANCHORAGE–Alaska’s Measure 2, an initiative to allow adults 21 and over to possess up to one ounce of marijuana and up to six plants, passed tonight in a close race. This measure will establish, license and regulate retail stores, cultivation facilities, product manufacturers and testing facilities so consumers will always know that what they’re getting is safe, will allow police to focus on violent crime and will ensure that profits benefit the government, not drug cartels. Driving under the influence and public consumption will remain illegal and employers may restrict their employees’ use and localities can ban marijuana establishments though not private possession or cultivation.

“This is a historic day for public safety and for civil rights,” said Seattle Police Chief Norm Stamper (Ret.). “Clearly, the people demand change, and their leaders would be wise to follow.”

More updates (via Drug Policy Alliance):

Today, California voters took a significant step toward ending mass incarceration and the war on drugs by approving Proposition 47. On the heels of reforming the state’s “three strikes” law in the 2012 election, Californians overwhelmingly voted to change six low-level, nonviolent offenses – including simple drug possession – from felonies to misdemeanors.

New Jersey voters have approved Public Question No. 1 to reform New Jersey’s bail system. This will reduce the number of people behind bars for low-level drug law violations and ushers in broader bail reform because it is linked to comprehensive legislation, already signed by the governor, that overhauls the state’s broken bail system.

Overall, a very good day for drug policy reform.

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75 Responses to Election Thread

  1. Duncan20903 says:


    Oh my word I didn’t think Guam was going approve. I was also wondering if anyone was going to notice. I think I’ve read about 3 articles in the last 3 months or so about their proposed medicinal cannabis patient protection law. The conversation was so primitive that I couldn’t even figure out where to start.

    But the thing that really gives me a warm fuzzy is that the 85.1% of the population of Guam who call themselves “catholic” said go kiss a pope ring archbishop Anthony Apuron of the Archdiocese of Agaña, you’ve been marginalized into irrelevance. Published 11/3/2014:
    Archbishop Urges Catholics to Vote Against Medicinal Marijuana

    I’m going to be happy and peppy and bursting with love for the rest of the day because of this. No doubt. What’s next? Will Florida voters hang Calvina Fay in effigy?

    • Duncan20903 says:


      If that thumbs down is for catholic bashing I’ve more than earned the right as a recovering catholic I can assure you that the church is nothing but bad news. It sure isn’t the last time I’m going to bash the church for its utter hypocrisy.
      Serious question…will we even know the results in Oregon today? They vote by mail and IIRC their votes have to be postmarked by today to be counted. That means the earliest they’ll have all the votes in hand is tomorrow. But wait, we’re counting on the USPS so I think perhaps a week from tomorrow is a more realistic prediction?

      • allan says:

        we should know here in OR by late tonite, more or less. I did a quick poll on the OR DPF list and I am only 1 of 2 not predicting a squeaker. Surprising to me that it could be anywhere that close… also not surprising to me, decades of indoctrination are hard to overcome.

        And Duncan, Catholic bashing? It’s not like they set themselves up for it. Stand up, sit down! Fight fight fight!

        • Duncan20903 says:


          I’m predicting a clean sweep. Why not? I was sure Guam voters would reject. All them catholics and the archbishop telling them to reject? If you want some amusement google some articles about the campaign. The enemies of freedom sounded like it was 1971. Our friends in Guam weren’t much more sophisticated, perhaps circa 1975. To the best of my knowledge there really wasn’t much of a campaign. Sheesh, so who says that being wrong can’t give a guy warm and fuzzy.

          Oregonians better approve the initiative. I’ll tell you what, being able to say “Oregon voters blah blah blah twice in a row blah” would make the sycophants of prohibition insufferably smarmy.


          A certain attitude often accompanied by a squinty look and a superior smile that makes you instantly hate a person. Similar to snobby.

          He/she/it is totally smarmy, I want to punch them in the face.

        • Frank W. says:

          I don’t know about that. The “polls” gave it something like an 11 point edge but I live in Southern OR, which is not only redder than a baboon’s ass and older than dirt, but has a population of growers not especially eager for 91 to pass for business reasons. That said, I remain cautiously optimistic (“whatever happens, we’ll all be dead and buried in few years and then the sun goes out and the human race dies”).

        • Duncan20903 says:


          So what kind of message does it send to the politicians? Don’t you care about the politicians?

          I can’t even begin to express in words how fucking happy and relieved I’m feeling at this very moment. Happy and peppy and bursting with love doesn’t even begin to describe it.

          Hey Mr. Prohibitionist whatcha gonna do when they come for you?

      • darkcycle says:

        In Washington, election mail is directly routed to the counting places from the local post offices. Most, if not all of today’s ballot mail will be in place to be counted by six o’clock-ish, tonight. Don’t know about Oregon.

      • claygooding says:

        On Guam,,most health problems are handled by healers and herbalists,,,I never thought about it failing if it got to the citizens,

  2. divadab says:

    Well in Washington State we’re voting on whether to affirm the legislature’s removal of agricultural support (tax credits, etc.) for marijuana growers. Purely punitive imposition on legal horticulturists from our friends the democrats.

    Why should we expect anything else from the party of Joe Biden? The only way to restore sanity and end this criminal prohibition of cannabis is direct action because the party-political machine is utterly corrupt and devoted to maintaining everything the same. Or just breaking anything that actually benefits citizens (post office, Social security, medicare, etc.).

    It’s so obvious and so disgraceful that it’s hard not to conclude that we are a nation of brainwashed retards.

  3. stlgonzo says:

    Marijuana profits up in smoke under IRS rules

    “Instead, the federal government collects taxes on what it considers an illegal drug because the Supreme Court ruled more than 50 years ago that everyone has to pay taxes — even those who make their money illegally.

    Then, in 1982, Congress amended the U.S. tax code to include 280E, which says businesses selling a Schedule I or II drug — like marijuana, heroin, methamphetamine or cocaine — cannot deduct all of their regular business expenses.”


  4. Daniel Williams says:

    Here in Florida, I believe Amendment 2 is on shaky ground. The opposition spent 3 times what Morgan and others did, and did a more effective job – yes, it was fear mongering, but Morgan et al. didn’t counter it well. Plus, I attended a public forum in Naples where Amendment 2 was debated; two pro and two con speakers. Jodi James did a fine pro job, but Morgan’s mouthpiece did not, negating any positive from Jodi’s pitch. And the con side had a very sharp, intelligent woman that presented a good case, while the cop did his best to scare the shit out of everyone.

    I certianly hope Amendment 2 passes. But if it fails, I hope it’s by the slimmest of margins so as to keep the faith alive for 2016.

  5. DdC says:

    NORML Election Night Live: The 2014 Marijuana Midterm http://shar.es/10J6Dr

    Why Democrats Are Reportedly Turning Their Backs on Debbie Wasserman Schultz

    Why Do Democrats Defend Nixon’s Drug War?

    If You Think Marijuana Isn’t an Important Issue

    Democrats can’t afford to put it on the back burner any longer

  6. Tony Aroma says:

    Just wondering if the DEA has an office in Guam. If not, it’s going to make raids a bit tougher. But I have every confidence that if there’s a Justice Dept memo to ignore, or a dispensary to raid, the DEA will find a way, even in Guam.

    It will however be a bit embarrassing if legalization passes in DC. Could be the beginning of a showdown. After all, if Congress approves legalization in DC, equal protection guarantees all Americans the same rights (in theory).

  7. Freeman says:

    Whoo Boy! One of our favorite Big Thinkers just posted his take on DC’s legalization plan, and in the process finally expressed uncharacteristically clearly his rather unorthodox view of the repeal of Prohibition:

    >> Commercial legalization of alcohol was a mistake

    He doesn’t say what he’d prefer instead, but of course he’s all in on DC’s “grow and give” scheme for mj because he fantasizes that it cuts out evil big business. It wouldn’t have worked for alcohol, and it won’t work for mj. BillG883 said it best in the comments at the mad doctor’s Slate article:

    >> Marijuana is big business. Americans consume thousands of tons of it every year, maybe even tens of thousands of tons of it. One way or another big business entities are going to supply this demand. Kleiman and other Utopians need to get this through their thick skulls. It’s either going to be big evil corporations, or big evil organized crime groups. The latter are worse.

    • Servetus says:

      “You see control can never be a means to any practical end….it can never be a means to anything but more control….Like junk…”—William S. Burroughs, Naked Lunch.

  8. John says:

    Russ Belville’s site is covering all of the marijuana election results. So far only Guam is called, but more due soon:


  9. Mallam says:

    Senator Merkley said he’s voting in favor of the Oregon measure.

  10. Duncan20903 says:

    DC is a done deal. Boy they pummeled the prohibitionists there. No mercy.

    • Duncan20903 says:


      Florida lost with only 57% of voters in favor.

      Well don’t be sad cause 2 out 3 ain’t bad. And even though the State lost there’s no bragging rights attached to winning with 43% in favor.

      Darn it, now I want some meatloaf.

      • n.t. greene says:

        That hasn’t stopped Sabet, but I’m sure the armies of the twitterverse are correcting him.

        • Duncan20903 says:

          Mr. Sabet is only a one trick pony. He’s mentally incapable of learning any new scams. Perhaps he’s the blue gill that you just pulled out of the water which is now flippin’ & floppin'” on the dock.

      • allan says:

        yeah, I’d be embarrassed to brag about getting my ass kicked. Nut obviously them FL folks (Fay, Sabet and Sembler) have no shame.

        • Duncan20903 says:


          Both sides of a conversation have to acknowledge bragging rights. Mr. Sabet is a brain dead idiot if he thinks anyone is going to acknowledge that the red rosy rectums of rehabition…umm, wait a second, I almost forgot that he’s a proven brain dead idiot. Never mind.

          43% in a State which the Semblers, Calvina Fay, and Kev-Kev call home? I’ve got a very simple response if (or when) they try to act as if they’re anything but losers with that utterly pathetic showing:

          In 2012 Oregon voters rejected regulated re-legalization with only 47% of the voters in favor. We’ll see if you guys can pull that proverbial gerbil out of your collective ass in 2016! Toodles!

  11. allan says:

    polls close here in 1/2 an hour…

    but while I’m here, a tip o’ the hat to Neill Franklin and all the LEAPsters that added a hefty visual presence to the positive of legalization from a LE perspective.

    And a middle digit suh-lute! to any pot head voting against M91. I’m sure all are familiar with the list of profanities I’m muttering so I won’t repeat them.

    It’s pretty incredible how deep the hole of ignorance is.

    I’m pretty much tossing in the towel. I want to go fishing. I want to do what I like to do. I’ve retired from doing physical labor for others for pay. I’ve retired from rock medicine – this will be the first year in well over two decades I haven’t re-certified my 1st Aid/CPR.

    There’s an artist in here that loves where he’s at (in many ways) and I’m going to enjoy the second half of my life even if I have to cram it into a decade or two! I want to smoke my homegrown and be here, now. This farm is pretty incredible. Not for farming but just for living. And I’ve got a few years before the urban growth boundary changes and I get neighbors up close. eeewwwww

    I will of course keep my old skinny white ass firmly planted here. I mean look at this place, that paint job really helped. And the no-roof thing works when rain isn’t an issue…

    I mean I can’t/won’t keep my mouth shut, there’s too much either going on that shouldn’t be or not going on that should be. It’s just how much time I’m willing to take out of my life. Legalization will change many things and won’t change a whole lotta other things.

    I watched a rerun of MASH tonite for the first time in a looong time. For some reason Frank Burns and Kev just seemed a perfect match in my mind…

  12. dancapo says:

    Funny that they made their little Florida graphic green. Is that admitting the inevitable? lol

  13. Frank W. says:

    Russ Belville @RadicalRuss · 25m 25 minutes ago
    OREGON PASSES MARIJUANA LEGALIZATION WITH 54% OF THE VOTE! #MJElection http://420RADIO.org http://rad-r.us/420tunein #mmot (Hi @KevinSabet)
    0 replies 20 retweets 18 favorites

  14. allan says:


    Oh happy day! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfGDvDGE7zk

    I am a legal cannabis consumer for the first time in 46 years.

  15. allan says:

    I wonder if legalization is in ONDCP dictionaries yet? 🙂

    And if I were the OR Sheriff’s Assoc? I’d hit up Kevin for a refund. Of course it was a LOT cheaper than what WA paid Kleiman for legalization… drug policy is sooo weird…

  16. Duncan20903 says:


    With 94.1% of the precincts reporting Alaska Measure 2 is 52.1% in favor, and 47.9% morons. It looks like we’ll have 8% of the States and D.C.

    I can’t believe how happy I am right now.

    Q) Mr. Prohibitionist, how does it feel to get kicked to the curb by people you think are amotivational, worthless, and unable to set and accomplish goals?
    A) [crickets]

    • tensity1 says:

      “With 94.1% of the precincts reporting Alaska Measure 2 is 52.1% in favor, and 47.9% morons.”

      LMAO. Nice one.

  17. Windy says:

    No one mentioned this one yet:

    Today, California voters took a significant step toward ending mass incarceration and the war on drugs by approving Proposition 47. On the heels of reforming the state’s “three strikes” law in the 2012 election, Californians overwhelmingly voted to change six low-level, nonviolent offenses – including simple drug possession – from felonies to misdemeanors.

    “The overwhelming support for this reform sends a powerful message nationally, demonstrating that voters are not just ready but eager to reduce prison populations in ways that can enhance public safety,” said Ethan Nadelmann, executive director of the Drug Policy Alliance.

  18. pfroehlich2004 says:

    So it looks like every statewide legalization initiative won a majority of the vote. A clean sweep if not for the 60% hurdle for Florida constitutional amendments.

    Hooray Alaska!

  19. allan says:

    yeah… I can’t stop smiling. almost 2 a.m. and here I am, wound up like a clock. Smoke another legal bowl I guess. 😀

    And because, well hell, just ‘cuz (here’s looking at you Kev):


  20. CJ says:



  21. kaptinemo says:

    And to think some reformers said not to expend efforts in 2014 and keep the powder dry until 2016.

    When you have your opposition on the run, and you know from past experience that he’s a dangerous, dishonest, dishonorable snake who’d show you no mercy were the roles reversed, you do not let up on him. For, just like with us, what does dot kill them, makes them, stronger, too.

    That is what we have always faced. And continue to face until the threat is eradicated. 2014 gored The Beast seriously; let 2016 be the coup de grâce.

  22. Mallam says:

    The marijuana initiatives passing, personhood amendments going down, and minimum wage laws increasing is about the only good news from tonight.

    Turnout was abysmal (38%), and the elderly had 37% of the total electorate. Silver lining I suppose is that the electorate wasn’t as RW and white as in 2010, meaning 2010 was a peak.

    Take heed, friends. One more GOP court appointment and we are looking at a lot of increased police power.

    • Irie says:

      That we are Mallam, it wasn’t all good…..in this godforsaken backassed, conservative, deep-pockets republican state, our new Attorney General comes out in his victory speech about how he is putting all drug dealers on notice, he is out to get you, priority #1, nothing about reforming anyone, or reducing penalties. Just bust’em and jail’em, keep all these cut throat republicans, D.A.s, prison unions, guards, and police working!
      But yes, my home state of Oregon makes me proud…….very proud and happy, now I really need to go “home” for a visit!!

    • DemsREvil2 says:

      Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden are much more likely to make court appointments that increase police powers and prolong the drug war than a GOPer like Rand Paul. Take your partisan blinders off and stop demonizing people that are on right side of this issue.

      • mr Ikasheeni says:

        I want to be wrong but the gop always seems to want to promulgate drug screens for everything.

        • DemsREvil2 says:

          And the Democrats seem to lock up every black and Hispanic young male with cannabis they can corral, especially in Dem controlled Chicago/Illinois. What’s your point? The GOP will watch you pee, but the racist Democrats will lock minority, young males in cages for cannabis?

      • Mallam says:

        Incorrect. Rand Paul’s appointments are much more likely to be Sam Alito’s and Janice Brown’s. I don’t care what his “individual policies” are. Paul wants Lochner.

        “I’m personally pro-choice” = judges they nominate overturn Roe.

        I have my partisan blinders off good and well. Besides, I’m not a libertarian; I’m a leftist. I’d never vote for Rand Paul in a million years over economic issues alone. Not that I want Clinton…I’m going to oppose her nomination (coronation?) in the primary. I was in the “anyone but Hillary” camp in 2008, and I’ll be there in 2016. Btw, I’m sure you said the same about Obama, no? Who’d he nominate? Sotomayor, and Kagan, both of whom voted against the fascists Alito, Thomas, and Roberts. Scalia is an oddball and sometimes supports the fourth.

        • DemsREvil2 says:

          Lochner and abortion laws have practically nothing to do with the drug war, which was the original point. If you were to stick to the point of whether there is a lick of difference between GOP and DEM Supreme Court justices on police powers and the drug war, your arguments fall flat. Be my guest to criticize Rand Paul about labor laws and abortion laws, but don’t pretend for a second that has anything to do with the police powers topic you originally brought up. Changing the subject is a sure sign of a weak argument.

          Everyone with even average intelligence knows where Obama stands on the drug war and police powers. Some of us even knew Obama’s true stripes long before he was a US Senator, let alone President. Everyone with average intelligence also knows that all of the Supreme Court justices agree 99+% of the time.

          Supreme Court justices do not vote against each other, or for each other, so I have to question if you even know how their system works. The difference between Sotomayor and Kagan, versus Alito, Thomas, and Roberts is about .001%. They all favor the police powers given to government to enforce drug laws. ALL OF THEM. If you want to point out two or three cases, out of 10,000, where they actually disagree and use that to defend the Democrats and Obama, then you are just a fool.

          A difference of .001% between who the GOP would appoint and who the DEMs would appoint might be a big enough difference for you, but its not nearly enough of a difference to the 800,000 human beings that are handcuffed and locked up every year for having some cannabis. So they should continue to suffer because the leftists want to feel good about demonizing all GOPers and being Democrat apologists? That’s just sick.

          Besides, when have leftists ever been against governments having more and more police powers? That’s the whole point of being a leftist, to give government more power and control over our personal income, personal property, and personal choices.

          Pointing to Obama, Sotomayor, and Kagan as doing anything different than what a Republican like Rand Paul might do about the drug war and police powers is, frankly, idiotic or insane, one of the two, take your pick.

        • Mallam says:

          I didn’t change the subject.the issues are related because in today’s era if you see how one votes on issue X, you can see how they vote on issue Y. I used Roe because it was an easy example; Gary Johnson “is personally pro choice” but any judge he nominated likely means Roe going down. Same goes for drugs and police. Simply Saying the because I’m a leftist I support increased police power is nonsense. Paul’s policies are irrelevant. Who would he nominate for the court? Likely Janice Brown or the like. 10,000? They barely hear 100 per session. And in any high profile case involving police power, the differences are and will be stark. Unless Paul has someone like Posner in mind, there will be a difference, one of which that has catostrophic consequences.

          In any case, when budgets only have police and military, it only makes sense that militarism and police actually get worse. This is especially true as economic inequality grows, the rich have more power, which increases the number of police and guards per capita. It’s no coincidence that many libertarians hate democracy and long for Pinochets Chile.

          Also, property is theft 😉

  23. Servetus says:

    Speaking of losing IQ points, Kevin Sabet responds to the election results:

    Legalization opponent Kevin Sabet called the votes “a bit of a wake-up call before 2016,” noting that drug policy groups had spent millions on the legalization campaigns, vastly outspending opponents.

    “This is going to make our side redouble our efforts to find donors who can put forth real money,” said the president of Smart Approaches to Marijuana, adding that if they can get the resources to get their message out, voters could make informed decisions.

    Sabet pointed to the result in Florida as well as votes in five Colorado cities banning marijuana dispensaries in saying, “I think we’ve slowed the legal marijuana freight train.”

    Someone needs to tie S.A.M. to the tracks.

    • Duncan20903 says:


      I disagree Servetus. We couldn’t ask for a better friends than having Ren & Stimpy as opposition spokes-models.

      Ooops, strike that…I meant Kev-Kev and Stupidpatrick as the loyal opposition.

      • B.Snow says:

        It’s a bit like the situation with “Madame L.” – where she basically ended up “Failing Upward”.

        They would’ve been expected to replace her with someone who would’ve been much “better at the job”, who might not have fallen into the idiotic rhetorical trap of continuing to repeat variants of the phrase:
        “But, but, but – Noooo, ALL Illegal Drugs
        Are BAD…” (That’s why they are illegal)

        See also: Circular Logic & watch as social conservatives heads exploded as she couldn’t present a decent OR meaningful explanation of why her gov-agency had gotten away with floating that crap for 3 or 4 decades = funded by virtual blank check from the day Nixon relaunched the previously fraudulent/racist/prejudiced program…
        Except, this time he cloaked it in “Law & Order” symbolism and set it at odds with the demographic groups he hated most, and the cultural change/movement that kept him up at night = trying to drinking away the *Culture Nightmares* – the societal change that he [and Reagan] had witnessed firsthand out in California.

        Everyone is just coming to realize that most of this wasn’t because of tangibly dangerous drugs = it was old white men afraid of “dirty (anti-war) hippies” – And the fear of them being in charge of things down the road.

        But, I believe that people are realizing that their attempts to control youth culture, Have largely failed.

        And, that in reality things are starting to resemble a philosophic conversation pulled from one of the best scenes in one of the classic, “80’s high school movies”, specifically – 1985 film ‘The Breakfast Club’.

        Richard Vernon: You think about this: when you get old, these kids – when *I* get old – they’re going to be running the country.
        Carl: Yeah.
        Richard Vernon: Now this is the thought that wakes me up in the middle of the night. That when I get older, these kids are going to take care of me.
        Carl: I wouldn’t count on it.

        I see the passing of the ballot initiatives to legalize marijuana & raise the minimum wage in almost everywhere those two issues were put on the ballot, as a signal that the general public is now realizing just how small the (metaphorical) boat we’re all riding in really is – and that in the grand scheme of things – It really doesn’t behoove the “social conservatives” to have the generations following them in jail or working for wages lower (adjusted for inflation) than what they made in very similar *service industry* jobs.

        Even when the apparrent turnout and the voting totals on candidates would tend to lead some people to guess or expect otherwise!

  24. claygooding says:

    I expect the FLA legislature to have a NJ style MMJ law in place before an initiative takes control from them in 2016,,it will require a second opinion from your representative before dispensing marijuana unless the patient is already dead.
    A very good chance that any state with ballot initiative capability will see the same thing happen on legalization bills in their legislatures,,those sweet little control freaks won’t risk US writing one.

    • Crut says:

      I’m not so sure about that. They’ve already passed the incredibly restrictive “Charlotte’s Web” bill, which in many legislators eyes is probably “good enough”. I suspect that bill had a similar chilling effect on the electorate just as the California Decrim before Prop 19 did. With four more years of Gov. Voldemort at the helm, they are going to ignore and brush off the subject at every opportunity.

      Took a gander at the 2006 amendment to require a 60% supermajority for passing constitutional amendments. What a farce. THAT amendment didn’t even get the 60% it requires for all subsequent amendments… Irony?

      Excited about the Alaska, Oregon and DC initiatives though! And the willful ignorance displayed by Kev’s response was a nice reprieve. The freight train is picking up speed dummy. I know math isn’t your expertise, but (4 states + DC + Guam) > 2 states. Suck harder on your teat, that pig isn’t making any new milk any more.

  25. cy klebs says:

    Trumpet that NY Dailynews!

  26. n.t. greene says:

    …looks like the fight ain’t over, but we sure as hell chased them back to Mordor.

  27. darkcycle says:

    Wowsers. Congratulations to Or. Ak. and DC. Hey Duncan, how do you suppose they’ll contrive to keep all that soon to be famous “DC bud” (what a concept, huh? Laughed as I typed it) from crossing State lines? Out West here the solution seems to be for prohib States to target every Wa. and Co. License plate they see. That won’t work there, where most of the people who work in DC live in the surrounding States. Bit of a pickle they have, eh?

  28. DonDig says:

    I’m happily stunned by all of this!
    Congratulations World!

  29. Frank W. says:

    I refuse to admit I am happy with 91 passing. I’ll comfort myself with the idea that small towns in my area like Grants Pass will do everything they can to keep the Evil Hippie Weed from being sold here. Don’t parade in my rain!

    • CarolDuhart2 says:

      Yes, Frank, while you may have to make a weekly trip to get your supply, at least they can’t arrest you for having the stuff in your home. Small steps, I guess.

      • darkcycle says:

        Absolutely, eyes on the prize, Frank. Possession of cannabis will no longer send you to jail. Where you get it is up to you if there’s no legal outlet. Lucky you, you can grow some of your own. IIWY, I’d be looking to collect me some quality genetics in seed form. But since I’m me, I already have 😉

  30. NorCalNative says:

    Congratulations CANNABIS.

    A tip of the hat to everyone who worked to make last night happen.

  31. Nunavut Tripper says:

    Congratulations to everyone involved.
    I’m just thinking that the whole west coast of the continent has a least some semblance of legality including California. So where does that leave BC which is pot friendly but still not rec legal?
    Yesterdays by election will help our case here in Canada
    with the Federal election coming in one year.

    Thanks Americans and to all the Canadian fence sitters,remember to “Heave Steve in 2015 “

  32. allan says:

    wow… I woke up and it wasn’t a dream. Still grinning in OR! Woot woot! I’m joining Sandee Burbank in doing the Happy Dance.

    Puff puff pass…

    Great googliemooglie! We done good y’all. Props, kudos, hugs and kisses and lots of flowers – stanky, gooey flowers.

    • thelbert says:

      now you can go to the courthouse and demand your stash back. and share it with the sheriff.

    • tensity1 says:

      Sheesh, allan, could you stop waving it in our face? We get it, you’re legal now. . . .

      No! No! Don’t stop waving it in my face! I’m SORREEEEEE!!! I just KEEEED!!! Don’t stop, freedom smells GOOD!

  33. Francis says:

    Wow, fantastic night for reform! Congrats all! In 2012 after the Colorado and Washington results came in, I said that the inevitability of widespread legalization had now become obvious even to the people who weren’t paying attention. After last night, I’d say it should now be blindingly obvious.

    I also love that the best spin that our friend Kev could put on the night involved pointing to a state where 57% voted in favor of reform as evidence that he and his fellow anti-freedom reactionaries had successfully “slowed the legal marijuana freight train.” It sounds like even he might be waking up to the fact that there’s no chance of actually stopping that train now. But yeah, Kev, you should be real encouraged by those Florida results. They show a bright future for prohibition. Here’s a breakdown of the exit polls by age:

    18-29: 79% YES, 21% NO
    30-44: 65% YES, 35% NO
    45-64: 60% YES, 40% NO
    65+: 38% YES, 62% NO

    • Duncan20903 says:


      Sources are now saying 58% in favor in Florida. Not a big difference but I’ll take every 1/100th of 1 per cent on our side of the table.

      When my wife got home from work she asked me why I thought that Florida didn’t want to join the party. I said, primarily because of the 60% supermajority required. I pointed out that 58%-42% wasn’t exactly a vote of confidence for the epic failure of prohibition. She says, “oh, I didn’t know either of those things.” No my wife isn’t really interested but she’s got a really good point that I more than pull her fair share in addition to my own.

      The point being that when it comes to this issue she’s a typical headline reader. Now I’m wondering just how many people among the great unwashed hoards are aware of just how close it was. But I’ll tell you what, if Kev-Kev insists on trying to use that tactic I’m certain that it will inform a lot of people of the vote.

      Perspective: In Florida’s rejection of medicinal cannabis patient protection around 900,000 voters were in favor of Amendment 2 than those who voted no. In Alaska the margin of victory was about 9,000 votes.

      Interesting times, no doubt.

  34. Just got back from seeing my family doctor. Here’s how it went:

    my doctor:
    “Whats the name of that stuff from marijuana-cdb,cb something?”

    me: CBD

    my doctor:
    “Yes, CBD. I had a patient with malignant melanoma, it was all over. You know, that stuff is a death sentence! She started taking that oil. I’ll be damned if the melanoma didn’t just disappear. Been 2 years and it’s still gone. I don’t know why they don’t just legalize that stuff.”

    Sounds like a valid question. New Congress, new hope. Hope that they don’t wait for 2016 to hit them in the head before they do something constructive. Like saving some lives instead of taking them. As in ending the federal prohibition against marijuana all across America.

    • Duncan20903 says:


      I don’t know why they don’t just legalize that stuff.”

      Oh you know what doc? IIRC the only other thing that they need is your written endorsement. You did remember to submit your written endorsement didn’t you? Chop chop doc.

  35. Duncan20903 says:


    Here’s an interesting apple juice to urinary loyalty oath comparison.

    Medicinal Cannabis: 58%.
    Rick Scott for Governor: 48%.

    The Libertarian candidate for Florida Governor actually got 3.75% of the vote. Wow.

    • Crut says:

      What I cannot fathom are the types of people who voted for BOTH Rick and MM. How do people like that make it to the polls without accidentally strangling themselves?

      • Duncan20903 says:


        I don’t have enough information about the Florida Gubernatorial candidates to say why someone would have voted for one or the other. One thing that I do know is that Mr. Crist was a lifelong Republican and left the party for the sole purpose of getting on the ballot to run for Senator in 2010.

        Before the vote I’d certainly have entertained the argument that it was Tweedledee vs. Tweedledum. The fact that Mr. Scott edged out Mr. Crist by ~65,000 votes does not make me less inclined to entertain that argument. But I really don’t have much interest, if any, to analyze Florida politics in 2014 beyond the campaign for Amendment 2.

        Here’s the vote totals for Governor with a map of which counties voted if favor of which Gubernatorial candidate. Despite how tight the vote totals were the red/blue map sure looks like Mr. Scott was elected by a landslide:
        The thing that I like best about that graphic is that the Libertarian candidates vote totals are included. As a general rule you wouldn’t know from MSM coverage that there’s any such thing as a third party candidate.But I’ll betcha that just about every single one of the almost 223,000 votes for Mr.Wyllie also cast in favor of Amendment 2. (Mr. Willie?)

        Now here’s the map of the Counties voting for/against Amendment 2. Despite the fact that Amendment 2 failed, the green/orange map sure looks like medicinal cannabis patient protection won by a landslide:

        Florida is a very, very weird place.

  36. nick says:

    Very Exciting. 4 states in 2 years, plus DC. I can actually say I am looking forward to the future as far as drug policy is concerned. I’ll be drinking a big jug of Kevin Sabet’s tears tonight, and they sure look wonderful.

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