You have to go to the underground market

One of the things we have slammed Kevin Sabet and S.A.M. for repeatedly is claiming to have a policy when they won’t even address the largest part of it – what to do with all those marijuana users who don’t need treatment if you’re not going to legalize it.

Recently, Kevin has said that he thinks recreational users should be fined rather than arrested, and finally, Kevin was forced to answer the bigger question by Oregon Senate Judiciary Chairman Floyd Prozanski.

Prozanski also pressed Sabet on where recreational users of marijuana would get the drug. Sabet has said occasional consumers should not be arrested and prosecuted.

“They should be able to do that but they have to go to the black market?” the senator asked.

“Yes,” said Sabet, who called marijuana prohibition and legalization bad policies.

“The cons of legalization are more than the cons of prohibition,” he said. “That is the con of prohibition: that you have to go to the underground market.”

Go to the underground market? That sounds so chic. “Put on your scarf, dear, we’re off to the underground market. They have truffles.”

And… that is “the con” of prohibition? That’s like saying “that is the con of murder; that you die.” That’s a pretty big con.

Having to deal with the black market means a host of destructive things to society, from the large violent criminal organizations that literally get away with murder to the non-violent low-level dealers who get swept up with outrageous sentences, to the corruption of law enforcement, to over-incarceration, to an unwieldy and broken justice system, to destroyed families and communities, to dysfunctional foreign policy, to wasted federal, state and local dollars, to unregulated and potentially unsafe product, to gateway effects, and a lot more.

The idea that this should be less of a concern to us than some unsupported believe that huge numbers of people will suddenly go wild with smoking the evil weed and be unable to care for themselves… ridiculous.

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67 Responses to You have to go to the underground market

  1. Duncan20903 says:

    I’d like to see Kev-Kev get put underground, just around 6 feet down.

    • thelbert says:

      i think kevin should be buried 12 feet deep, when the time comes, because deep down he’s not a bad person.

      • War Vet says:

        With a steak in his heart and a silver bullet.

        • claygooding says:

          and a joint in his pocket

        • allan says:

          of Doc Esohly’s Mississippippi Dirt Weed…

        • War Vet says:

          Misspelling stake was a mistake . . . my integrity as a writer is at stake because I used steak in place of ‘stake’. I’ll save face: we can grill Kevin like he’s a juicy steak . . . I’m under the illogical impression that his dumbness would resemble a tender kind of meat similar to cow. I’m sure cannibals could add cannabis for some Sabet delectable edibles. Yes, I think I shall have some green eggs and S.A.M.

      • Windy says:

        I can’t see wasting a perfectly good steak on a dead Sabet. Hell, put a wooden stake through his dead heart, and put that steak on the grill, instead.

        • Viggo Piggsko Flatmark says:

          Put him on a stake and go bonfire on him, just like they did in the good old days. (tar burns pretty good, so does feathers, cant see any problems with that)

    • Duncan20903 says:


      Wow, it looks like I started something…and to think that I was worried about losing my reputation as a sensitive man for posting that. Wow!

  2. Servetus says:

    ‘Y’all grab your rhino horns and leopard skins and go pot shopping down at the black market.’—Kevin Sabet.

    Who does he think we are? Do pot smokers want themselves or marijuana associated with a black market? Unlike real contraband and black markets, cannabis is a good thing, and it gets better all the time. Pot smokers have far more class than social climbers such as Kevin.

    Mr. Sabet’s defense of the black market is the most insidious I’ve seen. That society should require a black market to punish those who use the black market is crazy.

    Crusading ideologues like tail-gunner Joe McCarthy and Anthony Comstock come to mind when watching Sabet. Comstockery wasn’t so much a public service as it was a circus act led by someone seeking to impose Victorian morality onto a country whose occupants fled England to escape Victorian morality. Kevin Sabet is not a public servant. He’s a professional carnival barker.

    • Windy says:

      Just wanted you to know I quoted some of this comment on FB, also quoted claygooding’s comment just below. The more we spread the truth about Sabet the less effective he and his SAM become.

      • Viggo Piggsko Flatmark says:

        I do to sometimes, good comments should be shared.

      • claygooding says:

        Another good one I think,,still fine tuning it

        Kevin Sabet builds up fear by claiming Big Marijuana is going to make it’s living off the backs of marijuana addicts while he is an assistant professor at a college in Tampa teaching people how to open rehab clinics and cash in on the court ordered marijuana addicts he is attempting to keep having sent to them,,,now that is gall.

  3. claygooding says:

    In regulated markets, disputes are handled by lawyers. In the black market, disputes are handled by guns. I have no love for lawyers, but I’d rather get hit by a stray brief than a stray bullet.

    I think you already had the perfect answer,,now I am waiting for someone to ask Sabet if marijuan is so addictive it must be prohibited where are the Marinol addicts.

  4. allan says:

    that’s how we roll in OR. 🙂

    The alarm went out and Russ Belville supplied the ammo, putting together his Anti-Sabet arsenal and providing that to us and our elected officials. And Floyd Prozanski is a good one, a guy on whom a vote on the ballot is not wasted. Rock on Floyd!

    And thanks Russ! It’s nice to have Kev-kev confronted in his testilying. No more free rides for Prohibs!

    • cj says:

      Hi. I am happy to have a topic I can speak on because unfortunately marijuana legalization isn’t really relevant to my life and to all who try to assuage this heroin purveyors anxieties with talk of “it’s the beginning” and “it has to start somewhere” im afraid my apprehensions have been still un appeased. The fact is that as long as the division between the so called “hard drugs” and “soft drugs” remains pronounced thereil is in my opinion little to be taken by a heroin proponent from the experience of marijuana legalization. Indeed the statistics proclaim a depressing mere 9 percent of the public considers it right to legalize heroin. This is an indignity to my freedom and an absolutely insufferable calamity. The fact is that every day I have to go to the so called underground market and pay an incredulous sum just to function and having lost everything because of prohibition, finding that sum every day entails performing a variety of despicable desperate deceptive and illegal deeds, truly an unbearably intolerable state of affairs. Most lamentable is the fact that my drug of choice is healthier than alcohol and my drug of choice would cost a tolerable amount, indeed an amount that would enable me to have a life the likes of which I’ve not known in over a decade. Make no mistake, from my front row seat homeless on the sidewalk of the lower east side of Manhattan I have seen first hand the death and destruction entirely owing to the existence of the so called underground market. The deceptive philosophies of those absurd “12 step” and like minded organizations also contribute immensely to the destruction going on every day. This prohibition is truly an indignity, unbearable and an affront to liberty and democracy everywhere. Let it be known that I am certain that my end will indeed be the result of some machination of the drug war.

      • primus says:

        Sorry to say, but you are correct. The harms of cannabis are so minor and yet the lies have taken on a life of their own, so even re-legalising this harmless herb is tremendously difficult. I have no first-hand knowledge of opiates however the public perception of the harms of them is much greater than the perceptions of harms of cannabinoids. This is mostly due to familiarity; most people have seen someone get high on pot while comparatively few have seen people injecting heroin. I have been waiting all my adult life for cannabis to be re-legalised and now it looks like it may happen before I die. Unfortunately that may never happen for you. Your entheogen of choice will be illegal past your due date. Too many people focus on the harms of the substance and forget the harms wrought by prohibition. The drugs are not the problem, prohibition is. In all cases.

      • War Vet says:

        I support legalizing heroin because of 9/11 . . . my human rights were violated by the Feds when they sent me to my first year of college right out of high school in 2001 . . . alas High School Class of 2001. I support legalizing heroin because of Iraq . . . odd how that nation borders Iran, a member of the Golden Crescent . . . the DEA etc are too stupid and lazy to physically move the borders of Iraq 1000’s of miles away from the Middle East–away from opium and heroin funding. And I know that CJ would have a fighting chance at a better life if not ending his use if we legalized it and stopped pushing him towards the underground–shoved down by hypocrites.

      • Windy says:

        “a depressing mere 9 percent of the public considers it right to legalize heroin”

        I am one of that 9% CJ.

      • allan says:

        As am I CJ, I think you might have mistaken me for someone else. I’ve smoked opium and heroin, I know them reasonably well.

        • cj says:

          It was my mistake allan I apologize. I had to sell my laptop to a barber near the cooper building across from the cooper triangle a few months ago just for a days supply so now all my internet functions are handled by my phone which is a bit difficult. I meant to write my own post im sorry about that

      • claygooding says:

        I think I you can get off heroin with hash oil CJ,,I know you don’t want to hear it but rather than die it is a thought.

      • John says:

        I just wanted to chime in here cj and say that I am for legalizing ALL drugs also.

  5. jean valjean says:

    When the alternative to Big Marijuana is Big Crime i know which i would rather have as a part of society.

  6. Duncan20903 says:


    This one is from the “rip ’em! rack ’em! wreck them rectums! get that ball and really fight!” category:

    I’ve just learned that the oddsmakers are predicting that it’s going to be Denver versus Seattle in the Super Bowl. Oh, the irony! The humanity!

    I suppose that I would have heard if NORML had won the free TV commercial that Intel was giving away. That would have been just too much of a pleasure.

    Yes, there are still two other football teams aiming to spoil the fun.

    Denver, Seattle rooting for Marijuana Bowl?

  7. Nunavut Tripper says:

    I’ve been looking at the Project SAM website and cannot find any info as to whom is financially supporting SAM.
    Any ideas ?

  8. darkcycle says:

    Along with the removal of Kevvie’s screed from the Wa. Times, it looks like shit’s no longer the Flavor of the Month. Glad to see people finally getting a firm thumb on that slimy pumpkin seed.

  9. War Vet says:

    Man grows pot and then calls the police on himself for all the right and smart reasons this time. What does this say to local authorities: “Fu-k you, the military smokes pot”. If Colorado Springs would put legal pot stores in, it would influence Carson to put pressure on the Feds and DoD to quit pursuing drug testing for cannabis. Imagine how much safer society would be if soldiers could use marijuana instead of alcohol. I’d rather take my chances wearing the wrong colors in Detroit’s gangland than be near trained killers with Alcohol heighted PTSD. It would save the FED’s so much money by automatically reducing VA care when vets can have the power to treat themselves and help rid some of the demons by simply talking about what one did in war at impromptu group therapy sessions around the table passing the blunt or pipe. Imagine how much safer female military personnel could be by introducing cannabis alternatives to compete with alcohol. I guess rape is more common in the military and their institutions than I’d like to believe and I bet alcohol fuels a decent amount of it.

  10. darkcycle says:

    Oh, BTW, that screed was saved and reposted here, among other places:

    • Nunavut Tripper says:

      Wow ,the Washington Times pulled it. Is Sabet too radical for them ?
      Looks like that’s what happened . If I were Sabet I would have given up a long time ago. Imagine working in an industry where 80% of the population thinks you’re a complete asshole.
      I hope the paycheck is worth it Kevin.

      • Duncan20903 says:


        If you were Mr. Sabet you would be a blithering idiot. You would also be a congenital prohibitionist parasite. Please don’t forget that if you were Kev-Kev that you would have an extraordinarily small penis and no balls at all.

        Seriously, he just can’t help it. He was born that way. He was a child prodigy in the science of producing prohibitionist parasite propaganda you know.

        • Crut says:

          Duncan, however you came across that information, I would prefer not to know.

          If you’re just calling names, well, I think you’re probably wrong. The most arrogant assholes I’ve met had larger than average dicks… thus their arrogance. Though, I’d prefer that I didn’t have that particular knowledge personally.

      • Matthew Meyer says:

        It is still there, at the original address.

  11. DdC says:

    Legalizing Marijuana Means Accepting a Divine Gift
    CN Source: By Stan White January 18, 2014 Alaska Dispatch
    The leader of a group working against a ballot initiative to legalize marijuana in Alaska said the regulations it calls for are a “facade.” But the real facade is the effort being made to prop up the failed — and devilish — policy of prohibition.

    Did anyone else find it interesting that Kevin Sabet, ex-government-subsidized cannabis (marijuana, if you prefer the historically chosen government derogatory term) prohibitionist and co-founder of Smart Approaches to Marijuana, claimed the proposed regulations to re-legalize cannabis in Alaska is a “facade”?

  12. Duncan20903 says:


    Here’s another one from the “res ipsa loquitur” category:

    High caffeine use linked to psychotic symptoms
    by Matthew Grimson
    21 Jun 2011

  13. curmudgeon says:

    Is it my imagination, or do those who have Ph.D.’s in social policy tend to be shat crit bazy?

  14. claygooding says:

    I finally found my full comment at Kev’s pulled toilet paper sale:

    “”What didn’t make the news were some troubling developments. Multimillion-dollar private investing groups have emerged and are poised to become, in their words, “Big Marijuana” “”

    EVERY commodity we can buy is owned by BIG something,,,who are the big somethings that pay you to sell America on continuing a failed policy,,unless you consider 80,000 dead in Mexico a “winning “number,,or the $4 trillion dollars this country has spent trying to enforce morality,,as if the federal government has ANY morality?

    “”added to a list of dozens of other children, a 2-year-old girl ingested a marijuana cookie and had to receive immediate medical attention””

    So sad Kevin,,,I wonder how mankind ever left the fist valley because cannabis has only been illegal for 75 years and until then there was no age limit,,and glory be,,man still covered the earth,,,good thing you were not around then we would still be drinking out of the Euphrates.

    “Sadly, the marijuana conversation is one mired with myths.””

    What a man,,admitting his entire argument is built on myths,,because the myths Kevin Sabet continues to spread,,about lower IQ’a,,about schizophrenia,,about men growing tits,,about testicular cancer,,about marijuana not being a medicine,,,Kevin helped write them,,it was his job while at the ONDCP,,,his job was to sell America remaining locked into prohibition through lies and propaganda,,and like the ONDCP and DEA efforts to stop drugs,,he failed.”end”

    And all I answered was his fist couple of paragraphs,I was looking forward to reading and responding to the rest so I shut it down and went to get some coffee to really prime up for it,,,came back and it was gone,,it may be saved somewhere and I hate I didn’t post it at another site,,I would of had a copy,,oh well,,after the good Senator from OR got through with him and then WP(allegedly)pulled what must have taken Sabet a bit of effort and a lot of imagination,,it was 3 pages I think…

    I got choked up at the “Myth” one liner.

    • Crut says:

      A note for Kevin. The internet never forgets.

      Well, maybe it does if you control the comments like Kleiman does. That’s right, just suppress free speech and you can spread all the ignorance you can come up with and don’t have to respond to questions!

  15. Freeman says:

    Sebat’s rhetorical malfunction exposes the intellectual weakness of the “decriminalization” position. The fact that it has no choice but to concede supply to illicit black market sources clearly indicates that the position falls laughably short of a well-thought-out, serious offering of rational public policy. It pretends to allow casual use while retaining almost all of the worst aspects of prohibition — criminalizing suppliers among them, not to mention lack of meaningfully effective regulation concerning socially important things like provision to minors — while continuing to concede massive windfall revenue to the same criminal enterprise the policy creates, much of which would otherwise be captured for society’s benefit — in it’s reasonable measure — as tax revenue in a legal market.

    From a rational public policy viewpoint, it’s even dumber than full-on prohibition. From a political viewpoint, it sounds plausible only to those desperate to hold on to the status quo despite realizing that public support for prohibition is evaporating faster than last year’s kush in Tommy Chong’s volcano.

    • Windy says:

      Prohibitches have corrupted the word “decriminalization”. It is only decriminalization if it decriminalizes EVERY single aspect of the cannabis industry — from acquiring the seed/clone right through breeding/cultivation of the plant, processing the plant for its various uses, distribution of the plant parts, trade/sale of the plant parts, and use of any part of the plant.
      Every time one of those prohibitches mentions “decriminalization”, where they want to retain any penalties at all, even so little as a fine, for any part of the industry, we need to come back with the above, and seriously berate them for using a word that does not fit the actual policy. It’s time to put a stop to the word games politicians and prohibitches play.

  16. Windy says:

    Too bad we’ve moved on from a post a few days ago, this belonged there but if I want anyone to see it, I have to post it here.
    Radley wrote:
    Crusading CNN personality Nancy Grace recently posited that if you smoke pot, you might murder a family. (I’m paraphrasing, but only slightly.) But just last year, she asserted that the drug makes users placid. So someone compiled this amusing series of clips in which Nancy Grace vigorously debates Nancy Grace about marijuana. The fun part is that all of these clips are relatively recent.
    Haven’t watched it yet, myself, but will soon as I get done posting it on FB, too. Again, revealing the real personalities of the prohibitches.

    • Deep Dish says:

      Tonight, Saturday Night Live pulverized Nancy:

      “Hello, I’m Nancy Grace, and you’re right, I have already made up my mind! Marijuana is now legal in the state of Colorado and thousands of people who used to have good jobs are now high on pot. Which begs the question: Who’s taking care of the babies?!

      […] Speaking of knocking, I’ve got a joke for you. Knock knock, who’s there? The babies! Or did you forget about them?”

      It’s great to see SNL pounding away at “What about the babies?”

  17. These mad dog prohibitchionists get under my skin.

    “Legalizing marijuana would harm children [Letter]”

    Black market doesn’t? OMG, my head wants to explode from this garbage.

  18. The Russ Belville Show #330 – SPECIAL Kevin Sabet at Oregon Legislature

    • jean valjean says:

      nunavut and others were wondering where funding for sam comes from. so i was interested to see sabet asked that question by oregon lawmakers. his glib answer was “we are all volunteers.” i am not at all convinced. this sounds like a typical piece of sabet dissembling. i would like a definitive answer on whether he gets fuunding from the federal government or any private industries to “cover the expenses” of project sam. yes or no kevin?

      • It sounded like a glib answer alright. I got the impression SAM is siphoning funds from other sources, from his answer. It sounded obvious that there is something he does not want to talk about here. I am betting on Darkcycle’s answer about the Sembler’s.

    • claygooding says:

      I couldn’t take it,,I had to shut Kev off after he decided to skip the European myth,,he avoided anyone asking him if the policies of Amsterdam and Holland are closing prisons how can not arresting users be increasing crimes enough to keep them building prisons like we are.

  19. War Vet says:

    OT, but something for those under the impression of the ‘law is the law’: I believe it’s illegal for all law enforcement officers to become ‘legally’ drunk while on vacation or on their day off (and illegal to buy alcohol as well). Cops swore an oath and a cop knows their job and duties better than a civilian does.

    Let’s say Dark Cycle is a police officer from Seattle and is on vacation in Miami. He’s been drinking wine or beers on the beach or at his resort and is now technically and legally drunk. Dark Cycle witnesses a crime on the beach or an assault in the hotel bar . . . or a bad storm that creates damage and harms the people. Dark Cycle swore a legal oath he was legally required and obliged to say in order to become a cop. Yes, he is out of his jurisdiction, but I citizen still expect him to help and maintain law and order until the locals show up and Dark Cycle did technically promise me, the tax payer that he would help me or help Miami if needed on the day he took the oath in Seattle. If he’s drunk, then he cannot do as good of a job, therefore he’d be negligible, especially since cops could be called to serve on any day at any time if needed. Crime never takes a vacation, therefore no cop should ever be allowed to drink or get legally intoxicated (even if it’s a small buzz). And if I was a French mayor, I’d expect a vacationing American cop (or any cop) to act like a cop in the event of a crime or accident or major emergency, and how can a cop expect to perform his duty if he’s drunk?

    The oath and the fact we the people pay Dark Cycle, obligates him to abstain from drinking alcohol to the extent of legal intoxication and maybe even narcotic pain meds obviously. Should the people place said cop under citizen’s arrest . . . have the right to give police officers breathalyzer tests etc? And since having access to alcohol increases the odds of alcohol being consumed, why not make it illegal for cops to buy alcohol period? We obviously have to prove our innocents by taking drug tests for certain things, so why should it be no different for a cop to be denied legal right to purchase alcohol, while on the job and because cops are expected to act like cops 100% of the time, are they not technically on the job 24/7 . . . especially if I’m currently footing their vacation and healthcare expenses? Not having the right to buy alcohol is one way for them to prove they won’t drink while on the job, which decreases the odds of them be negligent in their duties. Again, the odds of getting drunk is significantly higher when one uses alcohol, so then drinking a beer could be construed as illegal for a cop since it takes alcohol to get drunk on alcohol and the use of alcohol is the first step to getting drunk and having access or buying alcohol is the first step to consuming alcohol.

    Same thing for cops who eat unhealthy foods and are ‘legally—medically’ obese and who smoke cigarettes since it decreases their job performance. So, why can I not arrest a cop who is 8lbs overweight and eating a McDonald’s burger? If they are cool with me getting stoned or even driving after the affects have worn off, I’ll be cool with them eating a pizza or doughnut or smoking a cig or drinking a glass of wine . . . I’ll do keg stands with them and pitch in for the ribs at parties or while watching ball games. But sorry cops, the law is the law and if you consume alcohol or are overweight or consume tobacco while technically being on the force, I’ll always maintain I have an obligation to attempt to place you under citizen’s arrest. So officer Dark Cycle, no wine in Miami for you my good sir . . . just saying: the law is the law.

    If we are to slowly lose our freedoms to police officers enforcing the laws of politicians, then surely we have the right to demand that cops must live an appropriate life for our benefit . . . so I believe it would be illegal for a cop to have a girlfriend or a spouse since problems in a relationship could affect their job . . . illegal for a cop to have a kid if there is any proof that raising kids could cause stress and loss of sleep, which harms his ability to uphold the law and oath at 100% perfection. Now if the State paid cops their salary, without the use of any tax money, I’m sure it would be different.

  20. Howard says:

    I hope as other states move toward ending cannabis prohibition, they realize that Sabet’s recent testimony in Oregon offered no real world solutions. Retain the black market? Force ‘addicts’ into rehab and continue to potentially arrest and fine users who are not addicted? That’s the grand third way scheme?

    Useless, utterly useless. And continually destructive.

  21. claygooding says:

    Obama says marijuana ‘no more dangerous than alcohol’

    “”“If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that?” Obama wondered. “If somebody says, We’ve got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn’t going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?””

    We are basing a national/global policy on an “if”,,,as if marijuana ever belonged on the CSA in the first place,,the president ignores the fact that marijuana prohibition was enacted using racial bigotry and lies in 1937 and maintained with government propaganda and lies since,,he ignores that every study done at the request of congress has recommended decriminalization or legalization of marijuana and they have ignored it,,he forgets that half the United State’s population is using marijuana under a doctors care,,he keeps the hypocrisy going.
    I think forgetting him will be just as easy.

    January 19, 2014 11:52 am at 11:52 am |

    sic him

    • Howard says:

      So, by extension, Obama just admitted that cannabis should be exempt from the CSA, just as alcohol is.

      (Note: Holding ones breath in anticipation that the above might happen anytime soon is ill-advised).

    • Howard says:

      By the way, Sabet just loaded his shorts…

  22. War Vet says:

    What are the dangers of holding cannabis smoke in the lungs longer than tobacco smoke? That’s what we were told to do when first learning. I think inhaling and then exhaling keeps the lungs from absorbing all the other CBD compounds, but then again they say all THC automatically get’s absorbed regardless of holding it in, so wouldn’t all the other compounds be absorbed just as fast as THC. Its too much of a habit to not hold it in for 15-20 seconds. And vaporizing or edibles are not yet an option and I’ve heard vaporizing may not capture all the CBD compounds.

    • claygooding says:

      I can see in the future when we can walk into an outlet and buy edibles with thc/cbd levels printed on the pkgs with manufacturers to hold responsible that people will return to ingesting marijuana instead of smoking it,,if for no other reason than to avoid a dui because the officer smelled pot smoke in your clothing or hair.

      • War Vet says:

        I’ve only done edibles once. I ate a few brownies at Popeye’s in Amsterdam. The owner told me not to eat more than one and when I ate all 3 or 4 of them, he told me to leave because he didn’t want some whacked out American on his hands. I passed out for 30 minutes back at the hostel and felt nothing before or after passing out . . . no fog, no buzz, no munchies. I loved Amsterdam, but I swear to God I never could get stoned or even high. I did my research at what I should buy and where to shop at everyday for a year, but all the expensive commercial weed I bought or hash or keif didn’t do a thing. Not even when sharing other’s stash at my hostel. Everybody was stoned . . . they got high when I shared my hash and weed with them in the morning, but I got no head change. The Mexican weed I was smoking back in the states got me higher than all the fancy stuff . . . everybody told me I was full of shit when I told them I couldn’t feel a thing. Before Amsterdam, I quit smoking for 3yrs and 3 months for the Army and then I came back from Iraq and bought a Quarter Pound of Mexican and smoked and smoked and stayed high for the month I was back home before my trip to Europe. But the weed in Amsterdam and Delft didn’t do a thing. I’m under the impression my extreme joy at visiting the place and going to all the museums I had dreamt about and planned all year long in Iraq kept me from feeling a real noticeable high. I felt the mushrooms big time (I was there the very last day they were legal), but not the weed. Even if I smoke the expensive stuff throughout the day now, I can detect a real head change if not a real stoned feeling and the same with the Mexican. I do not know what I did wrong when smoking it in Amsterdam. I gave money to the poor out in the streets and I gave many possessions away to my Indian workers in Iraq who couldn’t afford anything and treated them like they were my bros and not my workers, so I know it wasn’t karma. It is a mystery. I know deep down that the weed of Amsterdam doesn’t suck because the stuff I bought was blazing others from the U.S. or Australia or England or France at the Hostel. When I go back to Amsterdam, I’m afraid the weed won’t make me feel a thing unlike the Mexican and Colorado stuff I get in my state. I’m thinking that my extreme excitement was too powerful for the best Kushes and Diesels and Cheeses and Purps and hash. And I mean it. I didn’t get high or stoned once in the Netherlands . . . several hundred dollars I spent on the good stuff and not a head change.

        • kaptinemo says:

          WarVet, I felt the same way about Vancouver.

          All through the 1990’s, all I ever heard about was this supposedly super-powerful weed generically known as ‘BC Bud’; words like ‘couch-lock’, ‘wheelchair’, etc. to describe the effects were bandied about loosely.

          But what happened when I got there in 2003 for the Toker’s Bowl?

          Disappointment. I’d had better from Humboldt in the early ’90’s. Much better. That got me off; what I had gotten in Vanttown was a let-down. A niggling, middling, hangs-around-like-an-annoying-brat-you-wish-would-just-GTFO kind of buzz.

          It wasn’t until next year, during the next TB that I was befriended by a grower there and sampled his wares that I realized that I’d been rooked; BC Bud was mainly hype. The Canucks were keeping the good stuff to themselves, and selling the ‘meh’ stuff to the dumb Yank tourists!

          But what was really funny is that, although I sheepishly admit to being rooked, that was nothing compared to the sandbagging the prohibs took; like me, they believed the hype, but had actually incorporated it into their policies…to the point of threatening to close the border over it!

          So, yes, I do know how you feel in that regard; unfortunately, we, like the prohibs, have too many unscrupulous people on our side willing to say or do anything to make a buck…or a loonie.

        • War Vet says:

          Thanks for your story Kapt. I don’t feel so bad now. Granted, I showed up two or three days after the Cup in 08′. My favorite shop was ‘The Doors’ but that’s because The Doors rock band is my all time favorite band hands down, so I could have been smoking catnip and I would have still loved the shop.

      • Windy says:

        Here in WA, that is already the case, edibles come with a label indicating the content in percentages (though, so far only 2 compounds are listed THC and CBD). I’m sure eventually we’ll know the complete ratio of cannaboinoids in any bud, oil or edible. I still prefer to smoke it, hubby prefers to vape it and at night he eats it (a homemade Cookie Brownie made with cannabutter) so that he sleeps better. I can control the high better by smoking, I don’t like to get too high, I prefer just a nice buzz that doesn’t interfere with what I want or might need to do and to keep that buzz going all day and evening.

        • claygooding says:

          cannabutter forever,,,need a tie-pin for that,,not sure your husbands age but if he has access to fresh leaves he should juice it 2 or 3 times a week,,,that is the word coming from Storm,,it does arthritis better than cooked.

  23. darkcycle says:

    Well, the know-nothings aren’t totally still. I have a nuisance here in Washington who wants to penalize the marijuana industry for “damage” to society before the industry has even grown a gram (yes, above and beyond the 25-25-25 tax scheme). My buddy Will the Pirate has been valiantly trying to school him, but some help with this guy might be nice. He is, as they say, Thick as the proverbial Brick.

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