A blast from the past

This New York Times article from 1997 (thanks, Erowid), is a hoot.

Seductive Drug Culture Flourishes on the Internet

Even as parents, teachers and government officials urge adolescents to say no to drugs, the Internet is burgeoning as an alluring bazaar where anyone with a computer can find out how to get high on LSD, eavesdrop on what it is like to snort heroin or cocaine, check the going price for marijuana or copy the chemical formula for methamphetamine, the stimulant better known as speed.

Teen-agers need only retreat to their rooms, boot up the computer and click on a cartoon bumblebee named Buzzy to be whisked on line, through a graphic called Bong Canyon, to a mail-order house in Los Angeles that promises the scoop on ”legal highs,” ”growing hallucinogens,” ”cannabis alchemy,” ”cooking with cannabis” and other ”trippy, phat, groovy things.” […]

”We’re really losing the war on the Internet,” said Kellie Foster, a spokeswoman for the Community Anti-Drug Coalitions of America, which hopes to establish its own Web site next month. ”We’ve got to get out there, and we’re not.” […]

”I’d have to agree that the status quo folks are pretty much being hammered,” said Mark Greer, a director of the Media Awareness Project, which uses the Internet to lobby for the weakening or repeal of drug laws. ”They don’t seem to even be trying to compete with us on the Web.” […]

A Vast Warehouse Of Misinformation […]

The Internet also abounds in casual advice like the ”suggestions for first-time users” of ”ecstasy,” a hallucinogenic stimulant that has been found to damage the brains of monkeys in research at Johns Hopkins University.
[there’s some irony for you]

Drug policy reformers always owned the internet. Shut out of government and shut out of traditional media outlets, reformers turned to the internet as the fertile ground for reform to take root and flourish.

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44 Responses to A blast from the past

  1. Firefighter Frank says:

    This is very true Pete, and unfortunately the know nothings keep pumping out the misinformation. The French story of finding a hormone to defeat the “high” of cannabis and help fight “addiction”,was trumpeted in an article in Inside Costa Rica today. Wrote the first reply, might need some help down there, as they are very swayed by US propaganda.

  2. kaptinemo says:

    I said they were going to get torqued. And, right on schedule…

    DEA operations chief decries legalization of marijuana at state level

    Not so much what he said. You expect the lies. It’s how he said it. Just click on the player and watch. The sound of desperation.
    Especially because they know they don’t dare say what they want to: beg Congress to find some sneaky-@$$ed backstabbing way to nullify democracy. That’s what they reeeeeeeally want to say.

    They just can’t admit it: they failed. They failed to create the replacements for the generational con-game called prohibition. Their intended targets wised up, didn’t want to be the next generation of suckers, and are voting to end the game.

    The prohibs are so stuck in the old paradigm that they think they can tacitly petition Congress through their bleating to make all this reform go away. They still want to party like it’s 1999, when they could lump reformers in with murderers, rapists and pederasts and get away with it. But the social and political wind is shifting, blowing from our quarter, now, and the smarter pols know it. The ones that aren’t smart enough will serve as object lessons…after Election Day.

  3. Howard says:

    Here’s a whack job, stuck in the past and presently living in Crazy Town. As melodious as finger nails on a chalk board, Nancy Grace;


    While it’s commendable that Mason Tvert will debate cannabis laws with almost anyone, he needs to set some limits. Nancy Grace is one severe limitation.

    And Brad, jeez Brad, stop pissing in your own corn flakes.

    • divadab says:

      What teevee show for retards is this Nancy Grace show on? What the fuck is the HLN network? These people are low-grade morons. What the fuck – good on Mason for taking on these liars but you’re right – these people are a waste of time. FUcktards.

      • claygooding says:

        HLN,,one of the cable news outlets,,she is just like Linda Taylor,,common sense and facts roll of her fat ass just like water off a ducks back,,instead of protecting herself with water resistance substance she just uses pure ignorance,,watching her,,even when she isn’t caterwauling about marijuana users gives me a stomach ache.

      • kaptinemo says:

        You are not going to get the upper-level bureaucrats to come on and debate, as their political standing is dependent upon public appearances, and if they get ground into dust by a reformer, that’s blood in the political water, and the sharks of other agencies are very highly attuned to the thrashings of a potential budgetary meal courtesy of the wounded agency being served up as political appetizers to appease an outraged public…and their budgets being parceled out like leftovers.

        And if ever there were agencies in need of (very public) bureaucratic fat-trimming in a time of universal fiscal meltdown, with millions out of work and needing that money to survive, it’s the the DEA and the ONDCP.

        Both agencies ought not to be making any loud noises and thrashings in the water lest they attract some very hungry unwanted attention. Just look at what happened the last time the head of the DEA went before Congress; she was eviscerated for months on YouTube for her performance. The prohib leadership must avoid that at all costs.

        That’s why you’ll only get the bottom-feeders on the prohib evolutionary (and pay) scale to ever debate with us. When they get their (sadly inevitable,) public drubbings, it makes no difference to the leadership, as they’re seen by the prohib Supreme Command simply as expendable pawns, forlorn hopes, useful idiots to further the prohib cause…and so cheaply, too. The foot soldiers pimped themselves for nothing and fought battles the leadership knew didn’t make a single bit of difference.

        True Believers in any social movement always wind up being used by their more intelligent and more cynically manipulative fellows. The bottom-feeder prohibs are no different.

        • primus says:

          Michelle Leonhardt has been invisible since her public evisceration following that testimony in Congress and the Youtube video went viral. Seems she learned her lesson. Was it traumatic? Poor baby. AAAAAWWWWWW. Others watched and learned. No wonder there are no longer any intelligent articulate speakers on their side willing to be the mole in a game of internet whack-a-mole.

      • O. B. Server says:

        re: “the HLN network”

        Comparing the wikipedia definition of Yellow Journalism” to what HNN does (24/7 sensational crime reporting, cable network news format), it looks like a very good match. (Most of the time their HNN logo is presented in yellow, even.) The moralistic helmeted-doo mouthpiece creature spouting excuses for perpetual punishment increases, is icing on their yellow cake.

  4. Nunavut Tripper says:

    Although I abhor violence I seem to get the urge to punch
    Nancy Grace in the pie hole when I watch this snarky bitch beak off.
    I can’t imagine how many decent people she may have hurt while serving as a prosecutor.
    Karma sucks Nancy….remember what I just said.

    • Howard says:

      Can you imagine the relief for those who work in the courtrooms she used to stalk? I’ll bet she gets Christmas cards every year from judges and janitors alike, wishing her a very looong career in bat shit crazy television.

      On the bright side, her being on the side of the prohibitionists can only be a good thing — for the rest of us.

      • Jean Valjean says:

        Can you imagine what it was like facing a trial where she was prosecutor or judge? She reminds me of the Nazi judge Friesler who shouted at Sophie Scholl for an hour or two before sending her out to the guillotine that same afternoon.

        • Jean Valjean says:

          My bad….sorry about Godwin’s Law….

        • Duncan20903 says:


          Most people who invoke Mr. Godwin’s law forget to account for the fact that sometimes comparisons to Nazi dogma are perfectly valid. They also appear to forget that Godwin’s Law doesn’t invalidate comparisons to Nazi dogma, just that people involved in any online squabble will sooner or later use a comparison to the Nazis.

          It’s totally absurd to claim that we don’t have any legitimate basis to compare the prohibitionist parasites to The Nazis.

          Godwin’s Law: “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.”

          “In other words, Godwin said that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably makes a comparison to Hitler or the Nazis.”

    • allan says:

      that’s persecutor

      • Nunavut Tripper says:

        OK I’m calmed down now and eternally grateful that I don’t have to wake up in the morning beside Nancy Grace.
        I wonder if someone did marry her?

        Nooo…that’d be impossible wouldn’t it ?

        • Duncan20903 says:


          Hoo boy, do I feel silly. I got an email from Fred Garvin telling me there wasn’t enough money in the world to get him to service Ms. Grace.

          My sincerest apologies to Mr. Garvin for my insinuation that he doesn’t have any standards.

  5. Duncan20903 says:


    Why is it that prohibitionists hate monkeys so much that they’re always giving them brain damage? Is it because monkey rhymes with junkie? They should be more careful. Monkey also rhymes with flunky.

    Speaking of monkeys in relation to cannabis law reform always makes me think of Muggles Jones friend “Dependency” who’s a monkey. I’ve never been able to figure out how to adequately explain to outsiders how the fans of cannabis view “treatment” for merrywanna “dependency”. But I must say that even though it’s probably still beyond the understanding of a sycophant of prohibition that MJ certainly did nail it.

    If you wanted to hear the song it’s free if you sign up with spotify.com and you can do that with Facebook and a couple of mouse clicks.


    Dependency is a friend to me,
    He’s always saying that I don’t care,
    Oh Dependency can’t you see?
    Betty Ford ain’t got a room for me!

  6. Duncan20903 says:

    This one is from the “res ipsa loquitur” category:

    $1.6 million settlement for man forced by cops to have enemas, colonoscopy
    By Carma Hassan and Greg Botelho, CNN
    January 16, 2014

    • primus says:

      This is still an insignificant amount by insurance company standards. The cost will simply be passed along to everyone in the country in the form of higher premiums, and nobody has to pay very much. More importantly, there will be no changes to how the cops deal with similar situations in the future. If the city was required to dig deep and the taxpayers were required to foot the bill directly, then those taxpayers would be leaning on the politicians and they would be passing along the heat to the cops who would feel pressure to change. That is the only mechanism that will bring about change. This award does not appear to be large enough to accomplish that.

      • claygooding says:

        Primus,,if we get congress to take the bounty money off drugs and put it on violent crimes,fraud and and cyber crimes they may start hiring smarter cops. That would surely help,,if all you ever hire is low IQ rookies eventually the Chief is going to be a doofus.

      • Duncan20903 says:


        You know what I think? I think this case is a dictionary picture worthy object lesson in why someone with “nothing to hide” should never give permission to the jack booted thugs to search. Most people don’t have a clue of how far the jack boots are willing to go in a search.

        Another significant part is that there was no confidentiality agreement. So it’s now public knowledge that the cops were culpable. $1.6 million bucks is way, way higher than even the most generous of nuisance settlements.

        IMO sometimes it more important that someone gets paid than who is forced to pay the tab. This incident really is a spot on example.

        Don’t forget that there’s still a doctor and a hospital that have some ‘splainin to do. A doctor and a hospital that have no claim of sovereign immunity.

  7. DdC says:

    ”I’d have to agree that the status quo folks are pretty much being hammered,” said Mark Greer, a director of the Media Awareness Project, which uses the Internet to lobby for the weakening or repeal of drug laws. ”They don’t seem to even be trying to compete with us on the Web.” […]

    They won’t have to compete, the same as fossil fools, booze and big pharma and big ag. Eliminate competition anyway they can… I mean really, did someone expect them to roll over on a trillion dollar prohibition business?

    The Feds Lost Net Neutrality, But Won Control of the Internet
    By Berin Szoka and Geoffrey Manne

    Just Old Fashioned Censorship, Net Neutrality R.I.P.

    Nixon lied, the rest is The Brain of Incremental Retardation…

    • DdC says:

      The Internet also abounds in casual advice like the ”suggestions for first-time users” of ”ecstasy,” a hallucinogenic stimulant that has been found to damage the brains of monkeys in research at Johns Hopkins University.
      [there’s some irony for you]

      United Nations Drug Report Disappointing Say Critics
      According to the report, ecstasy users risk suffering the effects of early decline in mental function and memory, or Alzheimer-type symptoms.

      The report was released just weeks after scientists at Johns Hopkins University retracted their research findings that suggested that a single evening’s use of ecstasy could cause permanent brain damage and Parkinson’s disease. The scientists admitted that they utilized the wrong drug in their studies.

      â–² The UN report makes no mention of the retracted studies.

      â–² Drug Policy Alliance Web site
      Three dangerous bills are the RAVE Act (H.R. 718), the CLEAN-UP Act (H.R. 834), and the Illicit Drugs Anti-Proliferation Act (S. 226).

      Drug labelling error forces retraction…
      After Joe Biden’s RAVE Ax Passes

      Dance Safe!

      â–² Report of Ecstasy Drug’s Great Risks Is Retracted
      â–² It’ll kill you — wait, no it won’t
      â–² Results Retracted On Ecstasy Study
      â–² Report of Ecstasy Drug’s Great Risks

      Johns Hopkins scientists find new error involving vial mislabeled in the first experiment.
      Scientists at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine have retracted a second study linking the drug Ecstasy to a certain type of brain damage because once again the wrong drug was given to lab animals

      The monkeys and baboons in the study were not injected with Ecstasy but with a powerful amphetamine, said the journal, Science magazine. The retraction was submitted by the team at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine that did the study.

      â–² linx

  8. Howard says:

    Speaking of stuck in the past;


    And what would Sabet do with people who enjoy cannabis sans the addiction monster;


    Sabet said he doesn’t support the arrest and prosecution of marijuana consumers. Addicts should get “brief intervention and treatment,” and other recreational users should be subject to some type of civil penalty, such as a fine.

    “You have to have some sanction if it’s illegal,” he said.

    Wrong still.

    By the way, look at the last slide of the images in the link. Where does this putz get off defining anything. Sheesh.

    • strayan says:

      other recreational users should be subject to some type of civil penalty, such as a fine.

      Just how many cannabis users as a percentage of all cannabis users ever get caught? I doubt it would be more than 5%.

      Now here’s a thought Kev-Kev (this one is going to require the full attention of your 2 remaining brain cells): if you really are hell bent on fining people for digging up a plant you don’t like and eating it, wouldn’t you prefer to fine EVERY SINGLE CANNABIS USER 99% OF THE TIME without needing to conduct a single stop and frisk?

      You could call it a tax and it would be payable by the consumer at the point of sale.

      How about Kevvie boy?

  9. claygooding says:

    New one Howrd:

    SABET: Marijuana legalization’s worst enemy

    Kev’s own headline,,


    “”What didn’t make the news were some troubling developments. Multimillion-dollar private investing groups have emerged and are poised to become, in their words, “Big Marijuana” “”

    Part of my answer.

    EVERY commodity we can buy is owned by BIG something,,,who are the big somethings that pay you to sell America on continuing a failed policy,,unless you consider 80,000 dead in Mexico a “winning “number,,or the $4 trillion dollars this country has spent trying to enforce morality,,as if the federal government has ANY morality?

    • claygooding says:

      Now I am getting this story no longer available,,I wonder why Kev would pull it. It is no longer showing up on my news search either

    • Howard says:

      Clay, I don’t think his big marijuana bogey man is resonating with anyone– except those who are stuck in some mythic drug free utopia that’s never existed. It’s all he’s got left, and it isn’t worth the hype it’s printed on.

      • claygooding says:

        I am not sure but I think Kev wanted the comments off,,he sure pulled it after I asked him who his “big something” employers were.

        • allan says:

          long a question of mine is why is capitalism good for everything but cannabis?

          The weapons and munition dealers are still doing well, thank you very much. Heavy polluters are doing well too. Thank dog for China!

          Of course we all know there are no answers from them that have any inkling to the truth. It is literally a Puritans’ self-congratulatory faux-intellectual circle jerk.

        • claygooding says:

          allan I want someone to ask him if marijuana is so addictive why hasn’t Marinol cultured a following,,,there isn’t even a black market for Marinol and most that try it only do it once.

        • Duncan20903 says:

          SABET: Marijuana legalization’s worst “enemy”

          Who says there’s never any good news in the MSM? With enemies like Kev-Kev we just don’t need any friends.

    • claygooding says:

      If THC is so addictive that it should be illegal where are the Marinol addicts?update on Kev,,apparently WP pulled the article and not Sabet,,being hailed as a first for pulling an article by a prohibitich because it was too controversial.

    • B. Snow says:

      That link IS working now = (Sunday Evening_Jan. 19th @~8pm) there’s only two comments Clay’s and one other.

      My guess is he wanted it back up – and they agreed to put it back up – with the top/best/existing(?) Comments as they were when Kev first started crying about them… IDK?

  10. strayan says:

    ONDCP director promises to quit smoking tobacco this year: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-botticelli/building-a-smoke-free-lif_b_4612470.html

    If he fails to quit I reckon we should force him into treatment.

    • darkcycle says:

      I could go with that, but only AFTER arresting and jailing him, costing him lost time at work, lawyer fees, and marching him in front of a judge. I thought for a minute about maybe going easy on him, and forcing him to stand for a humiliating intervention where his self respect and dignity can be shattered in front of his relatives, co-workers and close friends, but for an ONDCP director, he’d probably appreciate the former, as the latter smacks of being “soft on drugs”.

    • Duncan20903 says:


      Wow. The guy who ran the Synanon program did the same thing to his program’s participants just before he went totally off the deep end.

      For the youngsters who haven’t heard of Synanon:

      Synanon was a drug and alcohol rehabilitation center and movement-turned-cult in California that existed from 1958 to 1991. It was known for communal living, practices such as group “truth-telling” sessions they called “The Game,” requiring married couples to split and take new partners and female members to shave their heads. It originally grew out of an Alcoholics Anonymous group led by Chuck Dederich, who felt that more extreme methods than AA could cure such things as heroin addiction.

      I’ll betcha that there’s more evidence supporting the assertion that being a prohibitionist is much more likely to turn a person into a wacko than does choosing to enjoy cannabis. It’s very arguable that Synanon was even worse than Straight, Inc. Well unless I missed the part where Mel Sembler left a rattlesnake in the mail box at the home of one of his enemies.

      ”Synanon came into existence because our society is composed of mama’s boys and daddy’s little girls who have been innundated by attempts to produce nothing but agreeable sensations in them. Character disorders, quite simply, are people who had too strong a dose of ‘mother love’ and were never properly housebroken by fathers. ~~ Chuck Dederich

      How in the heck do these nutcakes get people to take them seriously?

  11. allan says:

    gosh… that quaint little group mentioned in the article, the Community Anti-Drug Coalitions of America, is having it’s 24th Anal Annual Leadership Conference Feb 3 – 6 in National Harbor, MD.

    Keynote speaker is… Nora Volkow!

    Nora, come on down! It’s time to play, Beeeat the Reaper!

    I’d provide the link but I feel dirty just having gone there. Must smudge… need some dry plant material… aah! there we go. The cleansing power of smoke, miraculous.

  12. DdC says:

    About 6.5 percent of all people ever born are alive today.

    CNN reporter’s awesome contact high from reporting about Colorado pot
    CNN’s Randi Kaye appears to have really enjoyed the week she spent covering recreational marijuana sales in Colorado. Especially hilarious: A giggly, occasionally incoherent Kaye looking absolutely shit-hammered during a conversation with host Anderson Cooper thanks to time she spent in a limousine with folks who “whipped out” something really big — a joint as big as a cannon, she said.

    Punk legend Henry Rollins on legal pot in Colorado and Washington

    A disabled veteran grew pot & called the cops on himself just to make a point! #TakeItToTheMan—http://ht.420.com/LrrGeu pic.twitter.com/Bqfj33CrJy

    Toke of the Town ‏@TokeOfTheTown
    Top Five Reasons Why PTSD Should be a Qualifying Ailment in Arizona for Medical Marijuana http://ow.ly/sHNrF

    Ganja 4 PTSD & Depression
    ☛Veterans for Medical Marijuana Access
    ☛Military Veterans Say Pot Eases PTSD
    ☛Veterans Form Pro-Legal Marijuana Group
    ☛Vets Confront Mental Health Crisis
    ☛VA prescribes/opposes addictive drugs for PTSD
    ☛Why U.S. Vets Are Fighting for Medical Marijuana
    ☛PTSD Sufferers Qualify for Medical Marijuana


    ☮300000 Iraq & Afghan Vets Suffer PTSD & Depression
    ☮Will Foster 93 Years For Cannabis
    ☮The Blunt Truth: Combat Veterans, PTSD and Medical Marijuana
    ☮Marijuana Therapy for Veterans with PTSD
    ☮Marijuana, Battle Veterans and the VA
    ☮YouTube – Cannabis Forgetting and the Botany of Desire …
    ☮Ganja Eases Traumatic Memories New Orleans…
    ☮Homeless Vets Already Overload Safety Net
    ☮Pot Blocks Painful Memories, Study Says
    ☮Pot-Like Chemical Helps Beat Fear
    ☮Natural High Extinguishes Bad Memories in Brain
    ‘☮Natural’ Cannabis Manages Memory
    ☮High Times for Alzheimer’s
    ☮Pot Shots for Israeli Soldiers
    ‘☮Cannabis’ Acts as Antidepressant
    ☮The Journal of Clinical Investigation
    ☮Canada’s University of Saskatchewan
    ☮Scientists Copy Pot To Combat Depression
    ☮Israel: IDF To Treat Shell Shock With Cannabis
    ☮Many Veterans are the Enemy of the D.E.A.th War

    “My doctors shunned me and didn’t approve of me doing it,” said Herrera, a Purple Heart recipient. “One doctor said I could get some repercussions for doing it. But I did it legally. And I know for a fact — I’m a walking testimonial — that it works.”
    Emanuel Herrera
    Military Veterans Say Pot Eases PTSD

    • Windy says:

      I saw the clip of that reporter on the cannabis tour, she had to have actually smoked some of that blunt, because if her “giggly incoherence” were due to a “contact high” (something scientists say is impossible) then the driver would be in trouble, susceptible to a DUI and losing his/her license to drive. Her “high”, otherwise would have been due to her psychological belief that a contact high is not only possible but inevitable. No one mentioned that fact, though.

      • Howard says:

        Windy, my post below must be the clip you’re referring to. What I find significant is that it is depicted as lighthearted and fun. A stoned reporter, laughing and obviously enjoying her ‘contact high’ (I’d say her contact was a little more direct)? Is this what journalism is coming to? I certainly hope so.

        I think she’ll be back — as a tourist and have even more fun…

  13. Howard says:

    The CNN reporter in featured in this clip is surely on her way to addiction and forced treatment. After all, that’s what anyone caught laughing should be forced into, right?;


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