Ron Paul on liberty

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  1. Rhayader says:

    Gary Johnson also offered a critique on the drug war, focusing more on pragmatic policy outcomes rather than philosophical precepts. Both lines of thinking are critical, of course — which is why it’s great to have not one but two libertarians making these points at the GOP debates. Pay attention to the crowd reactions too; even people on the right are starting to open up to the simultaneous immorality and uselessness of the war on drugs.

  2. Ed Dunkle says:

    Speaking as a crazy wacko liberal, God bless Ron Paul.

  3. denmark says:

    Missed it, there’ll be more. Thanks for posting it Pete.

  4. Duncan20903 says:

    Freedom is a two way street. Who’da thunk it?

  5. malcolmkyle says:

    I’m very impressed with Paul’s ability to articulate his position and also with the audience’s reaction. Good times ahead!

    And have just finished watching Johnson; wow!

    • DdC says:

      I’m also impressed with his answers a hell of a lot more than the Pundits bias questions. How they frame everything in the ridiculous and Paul just smoothes it all out like buddah. With all of the Neocons I’m still irked when a Liberal spews such hatred for Ron Paul. His son maybe, but even if the teabogs have chosen Ron Paul, I don’t think he campaigned to be their leader. More Balkman or Palin types. But Ron is the consument politician and will take votes where he finds them. He admitted that much. Its how you present the issue. Different ways for different types. To me that’s politics but not truthful. But then truth is an oxymoron in politics. So as far as entertainment this is good. As far as reality, Obombo will continue busting buyers clubs and give the sublingual spray to Big Pharma keeping Ganja and Hemp illegal and the world safe from alternative products.

  6. DdC says:

    Thanks Pete and TrebleBass. I saw the last part and missed any drug war speak. Glad it was brought up.

  7. vickyvampire says:

    Thank God,I did not watch the debates, except for Ron Paul and Gary Johnson the rest of pack which I heard snipets on TV and talk Radio were the usual talking points. please, Rush said on his show that Pawlenty looked Presidential and that he Rush was not taking sides,Yeah right Rush. and last night Rush Humphries of course was promoting the more conservative ones and I think Blah,blah has usual.

    Now the only Radio Talk host who defended Ron Paul was Jerry Doyle a republican now independent, Hollywood actor,stockbroker,now on talk radio out of Vegas, He said most of GOP FIELD was status quo has usual and Ron Paul actually let and respected the populace and let them think for themselves unlike the other Republicans moralists who wanted to protect you folks from your own shadow.
    J.Doyle said NOTICED THE moderators they unfairly attacked one of the brightest GOP candidates cause he did not toe the GOP PERFECT boring moral platform and no Jerry agreed with Ron Paul the USA WOULD NOT FALL APART IF Marijuana or other drugs were made legal human nature would led us there he gave some great reasons. GOP hysteria. I’m just glad because of of Jerry talk radio is not all GOP talking points I know some believe it is Jerry is cool I enjoy his show. Its good to someone one there side criticize them more often.
    No I would not vote for Sarah Palin I would only liked to have seen her on DEBATE stage I have ulterior motive the women is sexy yeah I’m BI AND I FIND HER CUTE eye candy only reason I enjoy seeing Sarah on TV and enjoyed watching her ALASKA SHOW HA HA YES I’M SILLY I know.itS Ok.
    Gary Johnson did Ok also but they dimissed his also that is other Republicans.
    Yes Ron Paul is always very articulate,the GOP just can not stand him even though he is pro life, but cause his drug and,foreign policy issues just do not jive with the christian right template ooooh.boooo hoooo.

  8. dt says:

    This is really great stuff, but something to think about is that the true libertarian position would have the federal government restrict the states in order to protect individuals, as it does in the context of abortion. There’s a difference between being libertarian and being anti-federal government. Repealing the federal Controlled Substances Act and getting rid of the DEA would be a huge step in the right direction, but it’s important to remember that the state legislatures are where freedom goes to die. Many of us don’t live in states that would ever legalize.

    • DdC says:

      freedom goes to die

      I totally agree dt. That is a good description. Similar to the Jim Crow states rights issues. I think its simple. If there is a denial of Liberty to a citizen then the Feds are warranted in intervening. If states want slavery or AA’s not voting then it is against the individuals rights and if the states can’t or won’t see that. The big ole Feds have to do their thing. The drug war is the opposite. They are taking Liberty from individuals in some states that have deemed Ganja legal. Like forcing busing on states that don’t want it. Jury Nullification scares the hell out of Liberals because it was misused by rednecks getting their murdering friends out of jail. Now we use it to get innocents out of jail. The context is everything. Same with corporate influence in governing Libertarians think of as the right to profit or own property everyone shares like National forests. Abuse is what needs to be defined. Corporations are only as ethical as the laws allow. They’re in business to profit. If we cut regulations helping individuals just to make cheaper labor then it is clearly UnConstitutional and UnLibertarian. That is the big difference between most of what Ron Paul advises and what the Kochroaches propaganda strives for. Greens also need to stop blaming legitimate corporations following the rules and partner with them. What really pisses me off is when they know and do it anyway just for the profit or because they can. Too big to fail?

      They stopped Rockefeller’s monopoly and Carneigie’s loans. They taxed the rich and celebrities 90% and guys like Art Linkletter still made millions. Today we don’t tax the rich and the workers make it up. The corporations spill oil and the worker pays to clean it. Fascists vote for corporate deregulation and NAFTA/GATT for one reason, to trickle down jobs to foreign markets charging less for labor. While gutting Americans collective bargaining ability. Truth needs to be enforced. Commercials selling these drug war products should be outlawed. If you have a serious problem where people or companies are harmed. Telling fibs and gossip won’t ever solve the problem. Its almost always someone making a buck “fixing” hobgoblins. Red flags and no one sees them. Or wants to rattle any cages. Truth would define nullification and Libertarian and Green values better than one upping or making shit up. I agree some states would be hell if left to their own designs. But only if truth is left out of their argument. Ganja and especially Hemp can not truthfully fit as a schedule#1 narcotic. If truth and Science is demanded then states couldn’t just vote it out because of prejudice or bias or profits. Only if an Anslinger Walters type tries pushing it behind closed doors can it work. Trust but Verify! Fry the Liars!

      The Nation of Apathetic Puppets

  9. auggie says:

    But you would have the freedom to move to a state that does lagalise and I think that would be a good thing showing people that those states prosper from legalisation and the sky dosen’t fall. Although the right to self medicate on a federal level would be true freedom.

  10. Chris says:

    So how long until 100% of the candidates support ending prohibition? Two is still a huge number here.

  11. warren says:

    Never.Never. People want smoke blown up their asses. Tell me another fairy tale mr. president.

  12. palemalemarcher says:

    Rachel Maddow has just informed us that Gov. Scott in Tallahassee has signed a mandatory drug screen for unemployment applicants today 5/5 Friday. Of corse we have yet to determine if rejection based on the results are also mandatory. Governor Johnson does talk a good game but it just seems a purely academic exercise. Are there any other nations in this world which mandate such an assault on libery on this planet!

    • Duncan20903 says:

      Governor Scott said, “who the fuck cares if the 6th Circuit has ruled this action unconstitutional in Marchwinski v. Howard? We don’t take no steenkin’ orders from men who wear dresses to work!”

      “Michigan passed a welfare drug testing law in 1999 that required all Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF) applicants to provide urine samples to be considered eligible for assistance. But that program was shut down almost immediately by a restraining order. Three and a half years later, the US 6th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld an earlier district court ruling that the blanket, suspicionless testing of recipients violated the Fourth Amendment’s proscription of unreasonable searches and seizures and was thus unconstitutional.”

      So would they have tested Government Motors before they got their bailout a couple of years ago if the 6th Circuit hadn’t made this ruling? The level of disregard for the law that comes from the self anointed “law and order” types is simply astounding.

      You know, if you couple this with the recent assault against doctors that recommend medicinal cannabis and it sure seems like the enemies of freedom think it’s a good time to see if the SCOTUS will overturn cases like Marchwinski and Conant which are only binding in one Federal Circuit. I think it’s kind of ironic that they’re trying to overturn the ruling by the 9th Circuit’s ruling in Conant in the 6th Circuit while their goal in Florida would be to overturn a ruling binding only in the 6th Circuit.

      White-collar conservatives flashing down the street
      Pointing their plastic finger at me.
      They’re hoping soon my kind will drop and die,
      But I’m gonna wave my freak flag high . . . HIGH!

      Hah, hah
      Falling mountains just don’t fall on me
      Point on Mister Businessman,
      You can’t dress like me.
      Nobody know what I’m talking about
      I’ve got my own life to live
      I’m the one that’s gonna have to die
      When it’s time for me to die
      So let me live my life the way I want to.

      — Jimi Hendrix, “If 6 was 9”

      It’s very difficult for me to put into words how old I felt when I first heard one of Jimi’s numbers in an elevator. It was Christmas season and they segued into “Purple Haze” from “White Christmas” so I had to deal with an overwhelming feeling of cognitive dissonance simultaneously, making the experience even more difficult.

  13. Buc says:

    “I never thought heroin would get applause in South Carolina.”


  14. Shap says:

    The highlight of the article is that currently Ron Paul presents the closest challenge to Obama out of the GOP candidates. Pete, I hate to call you out because I thoroughly enjoy this blog but your dismissal of Paul as a candidate most likely to be painted as a fringe weirdo is not playing out in current polls. This is really good news that maybe the American public is open to an unapologetic pro-freedom purist like Ron Paul.

  15. Duncan20903 says:

    Quite frankly I think the most appropriate man for the job of POTUS in 2012 is Donald Trump. If we’re going to live behind the looking glass there’s no doubt that Humpty Dumpty is the best man for the job. But since Mr. Dumpty has never been able to pull himself back together since his tragic fall, Mr. Trump is the next best thing. Perhaps Trump/Johnson because Mr. Trump’s hair and Mr. Johnson’s suits have so much in common?

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