Open Thread

… because you need one.

bullet image Change to Pot Law?

One state senator is behind two controversial pieces of legislation involving pot and school buses.

That caught my attention… Actually, this is just a very confusingly written article. Turns out the pot and school buses are completely separate items.

bullet image You pay $100,000 bill for addicts’ sex and disease control

VICTORIAN taxpayers have footed the bill for more than 2 million condoms – most of them flavoured – for drug users in the past 2 1/2 years, tender documents reveal.

Taxpayers have also been slugged for almost 700,000 sachets of lubricant, as part of an add-on to a needle exchange program.
The free prophylactic program means Victorian taxpayers supply more than 2000 condoms a day to drug users, at a cost of more than $100,000 a year.

A bargain.

bullet image Willie Nelson endorses Gary Johnson for President

Legendary country music singer and pot head Willie Nelson and his Teapot Party have endorsed the pro-legalization presidential bid of Republican candidate Gary Johnson, the Johnson campaign announced in a press release Tuesday. The endorsement came after Nelson and Johnson met last week and marks the Teapot Party’s first foray into presidential politics.

bullet image Marijuana is Here to Stay – Lester Grinspoon

It is also clear that the realities of human need are incompatible with the demand for a legally enforceable distinction between medicine and all other uses of cannabis. Marihuana simply does not conform to the conceptual boundaries established by twentieth-century institutions. It is truly a sui generis substance; is there another non-toxic drug which is capable of heightening many pleasures, has a large and growing number of medical uses and has the potential to enhance some individual capacities? The only workable way of realizing the full potential of this remarkable substance, including its full medical potential, is to free it from the present dual set of regulations – those that control prescription drugs in general and the special criminal laws that control psychoactive substances. These mutually reinforcing laws establish a set of social categories that strangle its uniquely multifaceted potential.

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71 Responses to Open Thread

  1. jhelion says:

    looks like the honorable James Gray is in the news again:
    The Regulate Marijuana Like Wine Act of 2012

    • Windy says:

      You did note this was from back in September of last year, right? Regardless, I never heard he actually signed such legislation before now. Between this, his treatment of cannabis issues and reform proponents, and his continuation of the policies set in motion by Bush II, this dude is going to completely destroy freedom before his 4 years are up. IMNSHO, this adds up to grounds for impeachment and if congress won’t do it, We, the People definitely SHOULD!

    • DdC says:

      Hi Jeff…

      Does the Obama “Preventative Health Care” Executive Order Impose Codex?

      There is a good deal of internet chatter, including a piece on your site, which states that the June 10 Executive Order #13544 implements Codex and S. 510.

      It does not. What it does is position the government to strengthen the Uber Cartel’s assault on us with forced vaccines and drugs as attempts to PREVENT disease when, in fact, we realize well, it is actually CREATING disease and, of course, profit.

      Here is our take on this bad idea: We published this piece almost immediately after this EO was signed. There is, as far as a very careful analysis shows, no truth to either Peterson’s or Jordan’s interpretation of that E.O.
      Dr. Rima Laibow, MD

  2. Malcolm Kyle says:

    He finally threw in the towel!

    Heres my last post:

    It’s cool, I don’t blame you for running away;few people could cope with the inevitable ridicule that defending this pernicious policy, and being forced to use such twisted logic, brings upon themselves.

    I don’t want to seem pedantic, but needs must when the devil persists in vomiting in your kettle:

    Prohibition means that these certain plants/concoctions/drugs are sold only by criminals and terrorists who are heavily armed. This is a direct result of the failed policy of prohibition, which you so ignorantly support.

    Add to all this the obvious fact that law enforcement and rehabilitation are mutually exclusive. Would alcoholics seek help for their illness if doing so were tantamount to confessing to criminal activity? Likewise, would putting every incorrigible alcoholic behind bars and saddling them with criminal records prove cost-effective?

    Sometimes it’ really is necessary to “drone on and on” to someone who refuses to read what is written in front of them. So let us all be reminded again that very few people want to see an end to prohibition because they want to use drugs. Most of us simply wish to see proper legalized regulation because we are witnessing, on a daily basis, the dangers and futility of prohibition. ‘Legalized Regulation’ won’t be the complete answer to all our drug problems, but it’ll greatly ameliorate the crime and violence on our streets, and only then can we provide effective education and treatment.

    Everything is already available to us 7/11. What we wish for is an end to bankrolling terrorists and the mafia. You most probably knew that all along anyway, but wish to pretend otherwise for your own twisted and personal reasons. – I believe your ‘piss-test excuse’ is just a ‘false flag’. Maybe you get off on watching society fall into an abyss?

    Please go for counseling rather than trying to pull the rest of us further into your personal hell!

    • denmark says:

      Thank you for all you do Malcolm, you are top-notch and your activity in this arena is greatly appreciated.

      Was contemplating the medical marijuana joke. When it first started out I “had the feeling” that it wouldn’t work and it really hasn’t. The amount of restrictions are over the top, as is the money necessary to just have a doctor give a recommendation. There were commenter’s several years ago that wrote it was a waste of time to go the medical cannabis route and I do agree. It’s time to go for the throat of Prohibitionists and finally silence them. We’re just spinning our wheels with this medical aspect.
      I am feeling so much better physically and soon enough, sadly, the “legal” cannabis will be gone. Don’t get me wrong here folks, not asking for anything from any of you, just sharing my temporary pity party.
      Peace, Love, and Flower Power.

      • @denmark. I have been for years opposed to the incremental approach, exemplified by medical marijuana, to drug policy reform. Taking such a position has not endured me to those who consider themselves spokesfolks for our movement. But to consider just 14 states with medical marijuana laws – not to mention (but I will) the sad but all too predictable continued assault on medical marijuana dispensaries – progress is delusional.

        Had we spent the past 40+ years demanding the end to drug prohibition instead of demanding cannabis be considered a medicine, drug policy reform would not be in the weak state it finds itself today.

      • ya freakin’ heretics ;^)

      • Duncan20903 says:

        I quit NORML back in the 1990s when they decided to back medicinal cannabis. Then in 2002 one of my dearest friends died from leukemia and I got to see first hand how important the issue was, and just what a totally selfish dingleberry I was for only worrying about myself.

        You’re fucking crazy if you think that the medicinal cannabis issue hasn’t promoted the agenda of recreational cannabis re-legalization. No, medicalization won’t lead to re-legalization in and of itself, just like methamphetamine being a prescription drug won’t promote recreational meth’s being legal, but it sure as hell has exposed the powers that be as the bald faced liars that they are. If they’re willing to make sick people suffer to promote they’re despicable, morally bankrupt agenda, what lies would be off limits to such people? Regardless, it’s the right thing to do as far as I’m concerned.

        Connecticut looks like it’s on the verge of passing a medicinal cannabis patient protection law. That’ll be 19 of 51. I am counting Maryland. Regardless of how weak their law is they’ve changed their criminal code to acknowledge that patients shouldn’t be treated like drug addicts. How long can the Feds hold out insisting that there’s no medicinal use? It wasn’t that long ago that medicinal cannabis was a west coast thing. Today it’s easier to list the east coast States that aren’t medicinal cannabis States, and the time has come to start including States like Virginia and Georgia which recognized medicinal cannabis in 1979 and 1981 respectively in response to Bob Randall’s 1976 victory over the Federal Government which caused the Feds to establish the compassionate IND. It really doesn’t matter that their laws don’t allow access until the Feds allow it, they have codified their acceptance of cannabis as a valid medicine and it’s more evidence supporting the assertion that the Feds are bald faced liars, willing to use the sick as pawns in promoting a self serving political agenda. A bunch of States did the same thing back then, because everyone thought cannabis as a legal medicine was only a matter of Federal government procedure and was a foregone conclusion.


        “In 1981 the Georgia Legislature passed the “Medical Marijuana Necessities Act”.

        We’ve got the bastards on the ropes, this is not the time to back off. It’s time to knock their blocks off.

        Why yes, I am feeling a bit pissy this morning, what’s your point?

        It really annoys the hell out of me that Google won’t remember the word marijuana or do their auto search for the word. Hey Google, it’s the 21st century calling, pick up the damn telephone.

      • Well then, Duncan, I guess I’m fucking crazy…

      • denmark says:

        Me too Daniel, fucking crazy.

      • darkcycle says:

        Den, there’s a website that puts Washington patient/growers in touch with patients who can’t grow their own. You want the link?

      • darkcycle says:

        Gotta say, regardless of the impact on prohibition, Medical Marijuana is the Right Thing To Do. I can’t say for sure it’s saved my life, but I can say I went back from 5’8″ and 109 LBS up to 135 (still not enough) and I’ve maintained that weight now for six years….

      • denmark says:

        Yes darkcycle, the link please.
        My physical well-being has improved too and part of the frustration is the ridiculous possibility that medical cannabis could become so overly restrictive that it’ll end up a joke.

  3. vickyvampire says:

    DR.Lester Grinspoon is my hero such a cool doc who totally gets it.
    Now Junior about health remedies illegal remember when they were going to tax Botox Hollywood went in hysterics the kabosh was put on that deal,Lots of very influential powerful Hollywood people and billionaires use these alternative remedies including Oprah,etc, trust me they do not want them gone they would raise holy hell.

  4. wes says:

    I just read about this new derivation of cocaine that is in Brazil called oxi. Has anyone heard of this?

    • Duncan20903 says:

      Yes, I first heard about this “new” drug back in the 1990s when it was causing a “public health crisis” in Colombia, and that the entire population was “at risk” of addiction and a generation might be “lost”. Once again the Know Nothing clowns confuse potency with danger. That illogical conclusion seems to stem back to the 1960s when the average potency of street heroin primarily used by injection was between 5 and 10% and when an unsuspecting user would inject a higher percentage product would suffer an overdose, often dying. The tragically ironic thing is that today street heroin often tests at 80% pure, but is much safer to the end user because at that level of potency the most common delivery method is smoking, and it’s very difficult to suffer even a minor overdose using inhalation as a delivery method. Even purposeful attempts at suicide fail because after inhaling less than needed to get sick much less die, the subject forgets what he’s attempting to do.

      You’ve got to remember that as a general rule of thumb that Know Nothing prohibitionists are rather slow on the uptake. Heck, most of them aren’t yet aware that in 2002 the Alaskan Court of Appeals struck down the 1990 ballot initiative that attempted to override Ravin v State of Alaska (1975) and allow evidence gathered in Alaskans’ private homes as evidence of violating petty cannabis possession and cultivation laws. For example, I recall how embarrassed I felt about a nastygram that I wrote and mailed to High Times magazine in 2004, cursing them for accepting advertising of “pretend” cannabis AKA “spice”, “K2”, etc. You could have knocked me over with a feather last year when the Know Nothings made it public knowledge that this “new substance” AKA “spice”, “K2”, etc, actually got people high.

      These are people that actually think that crack cocaine is “cheap” because you can buy it in individual doses and smoking makes a larger percentage available for psychoactive effects. Of course the problem with that is that a hit of cocaine makes a new man of you. Then the first thing the new man wants is a hit of cocaine. Lather, rinse, repeat until you’re out of money*. Cheap like Mad Dog 20/20 it ain’t.

      (*Yes, either Williams or Carlin came up with that analysis, I can never recall which said it. Heck it might even have been Pryor.)

  5. denmark says:

    Completely agree Daniel and do support your position.
    Wildly enough, and it has my heart pounding with fear, but I called my cannabis dispensary in eastern Washington state, they reopened their doors and are doing business.
    It’s a four hour drive round trip. Asked if they had the strain that worked so well for the pain this body loves to produce daily, they do!
    Personal pity party cancelled.

    • darkcycle says:

      Good. I’d heard some were re-opening.

    • darkcycle says:

      Denmark, their website is down. I’m sorry if I got your hopes up. They sounded kinda fishy when I went and looked, though, they wanted alot of information they did not seem to need. So maybe you’re better off. If you’re really desperate there’s “BudBuddy” out of Canada. They are actually fairly reliable. Otherwise, if you’re up for a trip out to the west of the state, I know a number of caregivers out here. Let me know,… if there’s a reasonable way, I’ll help.

      • denmark says:

        It’s alright darkcycle. Going to be seeking some answers as to what I do if the pigs raid the Cooperative again. No doubt there’s apprehension on the part of the people working there who are doing their best to provide a wonderful medicine. Their butts are on the line as well and they’re being brave!

        Not desperate, not today anyway. Don’t want to get that way.
        Won’t cross state lines into Canada and no mail delivery from another state.

        Thanks for the thoughts and effort, its deeply appreciated. Yes, I’ve thought about Seattle. Caregiver would be good, have had to abandon trying to grow my own, the gnat flies and larvae are everywhere and I’m frustrated. It’s time-consuming too.

        “If there’s a reasonable way, I’ll help.”
        If there’s a safe way for you and for me we’ll make it so If and When the time arrives.

    • darkcycle says:

      As far as gnats….try roots organic soil, it is gnat-free from the store. Put mosquito dunks, available at Fred Meyer in your reservoir or crush ’em up and work that stuff into the first four inches of soil. Water less. Use ALOT of perlite in your soil mix. Keep up the fight…they’re only gnats, after all. And we’re mighty human beings (I hear tiny sounds of laughter from my garden). One more word…shotguns, though tempting, are ineffective against gnats and they tend to draw other unwanted pests!
      Washington is very green as states go…you should be able to get meds. Anyway, if you make it to HempFest, I’ll be around the NORML/HighTimes Booth Saturday Afternoon. Come by and say hi, at least.

  6. Duncan20903 says:

    I was reading comments at Politico:

    I was stunned by the comments that Willie Nelson is worthless human and lousy singer based only on this singular issue. It reminded me of one of my mother’s favorite platitudes, “There are none so blind as those who will not see.” Wow, he looks all used up! For christs sake the man is 78 fucking years old! These people should be so lucky as to be half the shape of Willie when they’re 78, or to have 1/10th of his wealth. Let’s not forget to mention that he’s a “tax cheat” decades ago.

    I really have a hard time understanding why we can’t remain practitioners of non-violent civil disobedience if we beat the tar out of such people. It certainly makes sense to me that making such people shut up by any means available would go a long way in promoting peace in our society.

    If there is an afterlife I intend to buttonhole Mr. Ghandi and make him ‘splain that nonsense to me. I think we need to take anything that Mr. Ghandi said with a grain of salt (YPI).

    I know it’s farfetched, and that there is an unforgiving blind spot among quite a large number of potheads when the word “Republican” is mentioned. But we’ve successfully appropriated a day from the calendar for our own, why the heck couldn’t we steal the Republican party and kick the so called “conservatives” and the alleged “christians” to the curb? If I rent an apartment in Manchester can I get a million of my fellow potheads to list that address as their home, register as Republicans and show up to vote for Mr. Johnson next February in the New Hampshire Republican primary?

    • Windy says:

      Gary Johnson is second best IF we can’t get Ron Paul the nomination (Gov. Johnson’s stance on foreign affairs and Gitmo leaves a great deal to be desired for a Constitutionalist, and even for an anarcho-capitalist, whereas, Dr. Paul’s stance is the genuinely Constitutional one).

  7. DdC says:

    We recently started an online pledge to let people show their support for legalizing, controlling, and taxing cannabis at the ballot box in California in 2012.

    Over 5,000 people have already signed our pledge. This is a good start, but it’s critical that we continue to build our momentum today so that we can win next year. Will you join them today?

    Please sign our online pledge showing your support for legalizing, controlling, and taxing cannabis in California in 2012!

    We are counting on support from friends like you to build the grassroots strength that we need to end cannabis prohibition in California next year.

    Last November, we were only 345,000 votes away from legalizing and controlling marijuana in California — so we need to make sure that everyone who supports our cause gets out to vote in 2012. And you can make a difference.

    Take a moment to sign our online pledge — show your support for legalizing, controlling, and taxing cannabis in California in 2012!

    I’m confident that with support from friends like you, we can legalize marijuana in California in 2012. Thank you so much for standing with us.


    Dale Jones
    Coalition for Cannabis Policy Reform

    Farmer Bears Burden He Can No Longer Feed His Furry ‘Friends’

    RCMP discovered the group of two dozen bears on Mr. Piche’s remote property when they raided a suspected grow-op late last summer. Even though the bears turned out to be quite tame and officers felt safe enough to pose with them for pictures, police said they suspected the bears had been trained to guard the grow-op.

    • DdC says:

      Drug Injection Sites Counter-Productive

      Is Addiction Really A Disease?

      Marijuana Debate Could Be Sending Mixed Signals To Teens

      Youth Eastside Services Executive Director Patti Skelton-McGougan said. “Teens are seeing pot as less dangerous because of its potential medicinal properties.”

      YES counselors are working to educate youths about marijuana, including information showing it is addictive, is often a gateway drug, and can lead to lower school performance and illness.

      First, counselors help youths reframe their view on marijuana. If a teenager calls it an herb, they should be told, “So is arsenic,”

      In the 1960s, cannabis had a THC concentration of between 0.5 and 3.0 percent. Now, most cannabis has between 15 percent and 20 percent THC.

      “On average, we’re talking about a difference of one beer versus eight beers,” Erickson said.

      Many services charge on a sliding scale, and usually insurance will cover a visit, Erickson said.

      • darkcycle says:

        She said that?? Arsenic….an herb!!?? WTF? So…Sodium is an Herb too?

      • darkcycle says:

        I don’t know why, but I CANNOT stop laughing at that…
        That Counselor just botched the MOST BASIC statement that can be made about a thing…is it animal, vegetable or mineral? No credibility can sustain that hit.

      • darkcycle says:

        ….do you know that at one time I actually worked for YES? Under contract, and BEFORE the current crop of sixth-grade dropouts…? Did I just publicly admit that?

      • darkcycle says:

        Here’s the best part: I went to the podunk Issiquah press and posted what I said in my first comment about elements and plants (MINUS the “WTF”!)….they moderated it OFF!! *
        *NOTE: Issiquah press is owned by an old fart who runs a bunch of neighborhood throwaway papers around Seattle. Not even good enough to read while killing time waiting to score. I’d say they’re fish wrappers but dead fish deserve more dignity. Lay into ’em, it won’t matter, but it’ll piss the moderator off to no end.
        Ya know, I’m terminally polite on most forums (where they don’t know me). I know I’ve won when they censor me…

    • DdC says:

      Mr. President: Don’t back down now

      Millions of Americans were disappointed last year when a Senate filibuster killed the DISCLOSE Act and allowed corporations and other special interests to pour hundreds of millions of dollars in secret money into our elections.

      Now President Obama, who supported DISCLOSE (the Democracy Is Strengthened by Casting Light On Spending in Elections Act), can bring it back to life. An executive order awaiting his signature would force federal government contractors, a particularly important group of political donors, to reveal their spending. The US Chamber of Commerce, which funneled $32 million in secret money into the 2010 elections, is trying to stop him.

      Tell the President to stand strong for disclosure and transparency in politics. Sign Common Cause’s petition supporting the disclosure order.

      Government contractors work for all of us. When they spend part of their earnings trying to influence our elections, we should know about it. Please sign the petition today.


      Bob Edgar
      and the rest of the team at Common Cause

      • DdC says:

        OK if you don’t like the word Fascism,
        maybe we can call it Constitutional depravation?

        New bill upgrades unauthorized Internet streaming to a felony

        U.S. IP Czar Says Ex-Parte Domain Name Seizures Follow “Due Process” U2b

        How the So-Called Guardians of Free Speech Are Silencing the Messenger
        by: John Pilger, t r u t h o u t | News Analysis
        As the United States and Britain look for an excuse to invade another oil-rich Arab country, the hypocrisy is familiar. Colonel Gaddafi is “delusional” and “blood-drenched” while the authors of an invasion that killed a million Iraqis, who have kidnapped and tortured in our name, are entirely sane, never blood-drenched and once again the arbiters of “stability.” full story

        “Ye shall know the truth,
        And the truth shall make you angry.”
        ~ Aldous Huxley

        ALEC: The Voice of Corporate Special Interests In State Legislatures May 16
        PFAW’s latest Right Wing Watch In Focus looks at the American Legislative Exchange Council, a right-wing policy group that funnels pro-corporate legislation to the states at the expense of citizens whose rights and interests are sold off to the highest bidder. Read more

  8. DdC says:

    Medical marijuana patients across the country are under attack!

    Despite the Obama Administration’s promise to respect state laws, lawyers in the federal government are now threatening to arrest and prosecute people who are legally licensed to grow medical marijuana under state law.

    These ideologues are trying to block sensible regulation – and they’ve already succeeded in Washington State.

    We must stop them from erasing all the progress we’ve made and from leaving patients out in the cold.

    Write U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder today to demand that the federal government keep its promise to respect state medical marijuana laws.

    Back in 2009, the Obama Administration said they wouldn’t use “justice department resources to circumvent state laws” on medical marijuana. They’ve kept their promise for the past two years, even issuing a memo that made this hands-off approach official policy.

    But now, federal government lawyers are intimidating states with new medical marijuana programs in an attempt to end these programs before they even get started. It’s already happened in Washington State, where the governor vetoed a promising medical marijuana bill. And if these threats continue, they could jeopardize our efforts in every state where medical marijuana legislation is on the table.

    These lawyers are playing politics with the lives of patients who need medical marijuana to cope with debilitating pain and nausea. Take action now and ask the Attorney General to keep the Administration’s promise to leave state medical marijuana programs alone.

    To put a stop to these scare tactics, we don’t need any laws changed – we just need the Attorney General to tell the handful of people sending the threats to stop.

    Write Attorney General Holder today and ask him to keep his word by respecting patients’ needs.

    Then please spread the word – everything we’ve worked so hard to achieve is at risk!

    Thank you again for your help.


    Ethan Nadelmann
    Executive Director
    Drug Policy Alliance

    Obama Breaks Promises On Medical Marijuana Laws

    “I’m not going to be using Justice Department resources to try to circumvent state laws on this issue.” Two weeks after Obama took office, a White House spokesman reiterated that position, saying, “The president believes that federal resources should not be used to circumvent state laws.”

    “As a general matter,” he told U.S. attorneys, they “should not focus federal resources” on “individuals whose actions are in clear and unambiguous compliance with existing state laws providing for the medical use of marijuana.”

    Yet the DEA’s medical marijuana raids not only have continued but are more frequent under Obama than they were under George W. Bush.

    • Windy says:

      If you know anyone in WA State, please ask them to seek out and sign the petition for I-1149 (which would remove ALL criminal penalties for cannabis possession, growing, use, transfer, and transport for those 18 and older). If it gets on the ballot in Nov., it WILL pass. Once WA State succeeds in this effort the other States will soon follow and the federal government will be outvoted on this issue. WA is the ONLY State with this issue on the docket for 2011, all other efforts are aiming for 2012, and the sooner one State effectively relegalizes, the better for all of us.

  9. Duncan20903 says:

    The Portland (Maine) Press-Herald endorsed changing Federal law WRT medicinal cannabis yesterday.

  10. David Marsh says:

    Here’s one;

    An article suggesting the US buy Afghan opium crop as a strategy to bankrupt Taliban.

    Wouldn’t legalizing do the same thing……?

    • jhelion says:

      sounds like the senlis proposal

    • DdC says:

      Been there, done that, look what it got us…
      Published May 22, 2001 in the Los Angeles Times

      Bush’s Faustian Deal With the Taliban
      Enslave your girls and women, harbor anti-U.S. terrorists, destroy every vestige of civilization in your homeland, and the Bush administration will embrace you. All that matters is that you line up as an ally in the drug war, the only international cause that this nation still takes seriously.

      That’s the message sent with the recent gift of $43 million to the Taliban rulers of Afghanistan, the most virulent anti-American violators of human rights in the world today. The gift, announced last Thursday by Secretary of State Colin Powell, in addition to other recent aid, makes the U.S. the main sponsor of the Taliban and rewards that “rogue regime” for declaring that opium growing is against the will of God.

      Wonder what they did with the $43 million received in May 2001?
      4 airline tickets?

      Afghanistan, the CIA, bin Laden, and the Taliban

    • Duncan20903 says:

      What in the world makes anyone think that there’s only one place in the world to grow opium? If we buy their crop to (??) supply will rise to meet the demand of the junkies. It’s a loser of an idea, but at least someone is actually thinking.

      I swear I’m tempted to buy a couple of bagels and figure out how to do it. The plant can’t need very much if it grows in Afghanistan. Every time I see a picture of that place it looks to me like their primary (legal) export must be rocks. Hey, there’s another peasant harvesting boulders for export. Great money, I hear they get paid 20 cents a ton for rocks delivered to the rock processing factory. My only worry is how to deal with the unwanted bagel trees.

      • allan says:

        the not so funny thing about what you say here Duncan, “it looks to me like their primary (legal) export must be rocks” is that it is close to true… here’s a headline from a PBS vid from last year: Afghanistan Contains Treasure Trove of Valuable Minerals. Benevolence was never a motive. Osama was convenient. The Mammonites are in charge.

      • Duncan20903 says:

        Always believe what I see with my own two eyes, that’s my motto.

        Money makes the world turn Allan. That’s how it’s always been and how it will always be. Well at least until we perfect a matter-energy conversion device like the replicators in Star Trek which allowed them to do away with money. I must admit it always puzzled me why Captain Sisko’s father ran a restaurant (Deep Space 9), and how they decided who got to eat there since currency was passé on Earth. It was plain to see all the humans that served in Star Fleet were suffering from OCD so they didn’t need a paycheck.

      • allan says:

        I havta disagree a bit Duncan… the world turns regardless. Money may make this human world turn but it’s a recent invention. We’ve spent hundreds of thousands of years groovin’ on sunsets, sampling the greenery, cooking meat on the fire, soaking in hot springs, making and raising babies and passing to dust generation after generation w/o need of money. Money is a fiction and serves only those who have the most of it… (and I know what you’re saying but the older I get the less enchanted with/by money I become, a born-again pagan I be)

  11. DdC says:

    My understanding is poppyseed can test positive for trace amounts of opioids and lead one into DEAth waters. The warmer the climate the better and more potent they are. They grow in the US. Most of the Americas get their supply from Asia, SA and Mexico. Most of Afghanistan poppy goes to Europe. So its really not even our problem. I believe we are in Afghanistan for the dreaded highly addictive crude oil pipeline Unocal has been trying to build.

    Erowid Papaver somniferum (Opium Poppy) Vault
    Papaver somniferum is a annual that with brilliant white or red flowers growing on a central bulbous pod. When scratched, the pod produces a milkly latex called opium. This latex contains a variety of opiates including codeine and morphine. It has a long history of use in Asia and Europe.

    California Poppy
    Eschscholzia californica is a perennial herb growing approx 30 cm tall. Leaves are greyish green and finely divided. Four petalled flowers range from white to red, though most commonly orange and yellow. It is the state flower of California. Does not contain opium.

    Poppy seed bagel baker charged for narcotics offense
    Taipei District Prosecutors’ Office yesterday indicted a bakery owner for importing poppy seeds to be used in making bagels.



    On July 22, 2004 the DEA San Jose Resident Office and the Santa Clara County Sheriff’s Office seized and destroyed approximately 19,000 opium poppy plants growing near San Martin. The poppy plants were growing among other flowers on 11 acres close to U.S. Highway 101. A local florist rented the land to grow a variety of flowers, including the poppies, for his business. The florist allegedly did not know that growing opium poppies was illegal, and sold them from his flower shop in bouquets of 7 to 10 flowers. Law enforcement officials found no evidence that the poppies were being grown for illicit purposes, as there were no attempts to conceal the plants as well as no evidence that the plants had been scored. The investigation revealed that other florists in the area – also allegedly unaware that growing opium poppies was illegal – have been growing opium poppies as well. As a result of this incident, a local florists’ association was planning to send information to area florists advising them that growing opium poppies is illegal.


  12. Duncan20903 says:

    An item for the death of the arts parody and sarcasm file, a commentor in the Seattle Times said, “I wish there was standardized font that denoted sarcasm… I really do. We could name it something like… Sans Moronica.”

  13. Malcolm Kyle says:

    “Martinez said whatever medical benefits come from marijuana can be obtained through legally available pharmaceuticals, such as Marinol.

    If marijuana is a medicine, it should be federally regulated and prescribed like other medications, he said.

    Marijuana’s primary use is for getting “high,” he said. Having medical marijuana readily available in Fort Collins when it is banned elsewhere is not good for the city’s image.

    Martinez said he expects the petition drive will be successful and voters will support the proposal.

    “My gut feeling is that many people are concerned about this and are really disappointed our community has gone that direction,” he said.”

    Fortunately for us, Martinez is defending his own BS statements in the comment section.
    Please let him know what you think

    • denmark says:

      Marinol is a joke. It helped me at such a minimal level and made my intestines and other inner organs do more flip-flops than what already happens. The cost is out of this world, something like $300-400 for 30 or 60 pills that have THC and sesame oil inside.
      It’s the THCA, the CBN, and CBD’s that this body is receptive too. And those precious components of the cannabis plant have to come in its pure unadulterated form.

      Sorry Malcolm, not feeling good enough to take on this idiot. Food is playing enemy with me this week and I have to take it easy. Have a long drive tomorrow too that will definitely tax my system.
      Quote me if you’d like.

  14. Duncan20903 says:

    Send lawyers, guns, and money dad, get me out of this.

    Oregon Supreme Court rules that potheads are people at least if they want a gun permit in Oregon.

    No appeal anticipated because the ruling focuses on State Law. It looks like a win for the good guys.

    Oregon Supreme Court: Medical marijuana cardholders can’t be denied concealed gun licenses solely because they use pot”

    • DdC says:

      Lawmakers Pitch Late-Session MMJ Bill
      Salem, Oregon May 18, 2011
      State lawmakers didn’t move forward with any of the 20 bills that attempted to change Oregon’s medical marijuana laws. But a small bi-partisan coalition of legislators has breathed new life into this controversial issue some thought tabled for the session. Today, the House Rules committee will hold a public hearing on House Bill 3664, which aims to put more restrictions on who can receive a medical marijuana card and how many plants growers can produce. The bill also aims to give police greater access to patient and grower records. full story

    • DdC says:

      Former state troopers in the Legislature have revived a bill that would make it harder for people to qualify for a medical marijuana card, and tighten controls on the people growing it.

      They wouldn’t want to leave the impression they actually care about the sick people. After all this is about the ease of troopers busting people for the Koch roach’ private prisons. Or rehabilitations. Maybe they can rehabilitate their cancer and spasms. This is becomeing one sick fucking country.

      Hearing Set for Bill To Overhaul Marijuana Law
      State lawmakers will hear from the public Thursday about a proposal by former state troopers to make it harder for people to qualify for a medical marijuana card and tighten controls on the people growing it. The bill’s proponents say they want to combat abuse of the program without hindering access to medical marijuana for people with a legitimate medical need. full story

      Bill Would Tighten Ore. Medical Marijuana Access

  15. Duncan20903 says:

    Willie took it back. WTF?

    Well he just moved onto my personal shit list. I’ll applaud if he does, don’t care if he doesn’t but this is flip floppin’ ditzy. Mr. Obama is more his speed if he can’t make up his mind.

    • Malcolm Kyle says:

      I reckon ‘gatortarian’ may be your sock puppet Duncan
      “I can’t vote until Willie decides. Every decision I make is based on what Willie Nelson would do. — I mean that in a positive way; It sounds just like your type of rye humor, and the type that I’ve grown so fond of.

    • Willie’s smoking too much or the wrong weed to be for Ohio’s pixie moonbeam. Or maybe Willie just wants to bang the red-headed stranger…

      • DdC says:

        Kucinich was against the lie in Iraq,
        voted against the Patriot Ax,
        Pro recreational use, pro hemp.
        Tax the Moneysluts…

        What’s Bob Barr up too?
        Fucking joke.
        International House of Waffle.
        Koch Roache’s A.L.E.C. Drug Detention Centers

        Demonstrations, Protests and Videos about ALEC, KOCH,
        Today many have had their eyes opened regarding the huge profits made off of what is commonly called the “Prison Industrial Complex.” Suddenly awareness has turned from disbelief to anger as taxpayers realize the screwing private prison companies, their lobbyists and elected Legislators have been giving them for more than three decades now. full story

        Heston died, NRA’s Mandatory Minimum Didn’t

  16. ezrydn says:

    Well now,

    We’re at 16 States + DC on the Medical roll. Ten more and we have a Majority of States! Next year will push us closer to the tipping point so it’s going to be interesting to see what the blow-back is from it.

  17. darkcycle says:

    I think the blowback has already started, Ez. Dispensary raids, IRS audits, dark, threatening letters from the DOJ. I think they’re making Michele wear uncomfortable shoes all day just to keep her mean and wanting pothead blood. We’re sticking in their craw every time they try to swallow though, and the issue just keeps gaining steam.
    I loves to see ’em thrash about and choke, but unfortunately people are being hurt in the process. I think we ought to end this game and finally kill this thing. Whadyathink?

  18. darkcycle says:

    Oh yeah, there’s a warning going around if you are a Washington voter. Some shady organization, not affiliated with sensible Washington, is asking people to sign A LETTER ENDORSING PLACING OUR INITIATIVE ON THE BALLOT. It looks and sounds like a petition, but it is not. This (these) organization(s) are duping people into signing the dummy petition so that when faced with the real item, they will decline to sign (believing, of course that they already had). Always read before you sign. Beware.

  19. vickyvampire says:

    Maybe Willie got a call or text from left, and was told to back off from Gary support or else!!!! HA HA HA.
    Lately,it seems almost everyday I’ve heard Ron Paul and Gary Johnson ignored or trashed when speaking of list of possible list of presidential candidates.

    Yes 16 plus DC I hope in next four years 16 more that be great.
    Yeah there will be hell to pay from the greedy delusional prohibs some of whom are sociopaths running our government.

  20. darkcycle says:

    V.V. The press are just tools of the corporations, after all. Corporate owned media is only going to endorse corporate owned politicians.

  21. Duncan20903 says:


    “Police destroy P1M worth of marijuana; confiscate illegal logs”

    What rolls down stairs, alone or in pairs, rolls over your neighbor’s dog?
    What great for a snack, and fits on your back? It’s log, log, log.

    It’s log, it’s log, it’s big, it’s heavy, it’s wood,
    it’s log, it’s log it’s better than bad it’s good!
    Come on and get your log! Everyone needs a Log!

    C’mon everybody, start jumping up and down like idiots!

  22. Duncan20903 says:

    Arizona police state that they expect to use the patient registry as a starting point for criminal investigations.

    Sgt. Steve Carbajal, Tempe police spokesman, said the department will likely use DHS data as “investigative tools” if there’s a complaint or if police suspect illegal activity.

  23. Duncan20903 says:

    I hope I’m not boring anyone. But the number 8 has me fishmouthing.

    8 initiatives to legalize pot seek spots on 2012 Colorado ballot

    • darkcycle says:

      Duncan, eight is actually a bad means we’re divided and can’t agree even on a measure to legalize. I fear that we are becoming factionated, fractured and thus ineffective. It is difficult to agree on detalis, but we need to pick a vehicle and GET ON THE BUS (there’s hinting here…).

      • Duncan20903 says:

        Even if I look at it from that point of view I’m still fish mouthing. Colorado has to have some mechanism to cull the herd of initiatives.

        Of course you realize that the underlying pathology shared by pothead that makes it totally impossible to successfully prosecute a campaign of cannabis prohibition is the same pathology that makes it so freakin’ difficult to get potheads to form a unified voting block. If we could form a voting block easily, cannabis would have been long forgotten. IMO of course!

        Of course the sooner we face the fucking fact that we could get to the end of the game a lot quicker if people we could figure out how to come to a genuine consensus. Get in, get together, get ‘er done and promptly go back to squabbling with one another. Sheesh, it’s not like I’m suggesting getting assimilated by the religionists or something.

        Let’s think happy thoughts, shall we?

    • Duncan20903 says:

      Another one for the tragedy of the death of the arts of sarcasm and parody files, a comment from an article in the Denver Post today (you might want to sit dwn, no liquid in your mouth that might be ejaculated on your keyboard)

      “8 initiatives, pot smokers getting so desperate, addiction drives people to do unusual things.”

      Yeah, like participate in the process of government. O M G! did that person actually say that??

      Then again he might have a point. I think I’d have gone totally apolitical in my life if it hadn’t been for this issue. It’s hard to tell, but it’s guaranteed that if things were different, they just wouldn’t be the same. That’s some kind of physical law or something.

  24. DigUpMoreAmmo says:

    “Dupnik has many unique ideas regarding law enforcement. Obviously one of them is “use plenty of bullets.” This vet may have survived serving his country in combat but it just isn’t possible for a Hispanic to survive Dupnik in “his” county. No siree, not in Dupnik’s county. You don’t have to have broken any law to get on Dupnik’s wrong side and you don’t want to get on his wrong side because Dupnik IS the LAW in HIS county. You can bet there will be an investigation into this! The SWAT team fired 71 times and only hit the victim with 60 bullets! That’s not good enough for Dupnik, you can be sure. There WILL be an investigation into the marksmanship of SWAT and that kind of sloppy shooting won’t happen again! Not on HIS SWAT team in HIS county! Dupnik will be on Cavuto’s show on Fox to blame the media and the courts for not letting him just do the job he’s paid to do and that’s to enforce the law however HE sees fit to enforce it in HIS county because HE IS THE LAW.”

  25. denmark says:

    Cannabis Defense Coalition – goggle it – it’s Washington state if you’re interested.

    UPDATE MAY 19, 2011 — A day after the federal government, abetted by Spokane police, executed a second wave of raids against medical cannabis dispensaries, it appears that only one dispensary remains open in the city. Medical Herb Providers, raided yesterday, opened its doors this morning, with protestors gathering in the event of a follow-up raid today.

    As of 1 p.m. Thursday, DEA and local police in full tactical gear have been repeatedly driving by MHP, “casing the joint.” Witnesses claim the police are gathering at a nearby business in what appears to be preparations for another raid.

    Legal observers are encouraged to attend in order to bear witness to the thug-like tactics our law enforcement, under the direction of an oppressive federal regime, are employing against medical cannabis patients and providers. MHP is located at 306 N. Freya St. (at E. Front Ave.), Spokane WA, 99202.

    …. there you have it my fellow free citizens …..

    Went to my Cooperative today and they have AGAIN Closed their doors because the DEA raided them again. Staff was in the building taking down pictures, book cases, displays, lights, and much more. There is zero medical cannabis to be had there. When I talked to them earlier this week everything was alright and they had reopened, not today when I arrived in the early afternoon. Their landlord did indeed evict them, had to, or lose the property to the DEA.
    Was told about the Cannabis Defense Coalition while there. And was told it is just eastern Washington state that’s getting raped by the g’ment, that dispensaries in Seattle aren’t being raided. (can’t verify that)

  26. Duncan20903 says:

    Oh my word. At times I wonder if Mr. Obama is intentionally trying to sabotage his own campaign for re-election. He just issued a few pardons. While I appreciate him pardoning the cannabis smuggler and the cannabis wholesale cannabis vendor, I question how smart it is politically smart it is to issue one to the meth dealer.

    DigUpMoreAmmo, 60 of 71 hitting their target is elite sharpshooter level for LE. I was expecting 2 or 3 with the fatal round being an unfortunate ricochet.

    Dupnik? WTF kind of a name is Dupnik?? It sounds like he should be serving as the sniggling sycophantic right hand man to an outer space alien dictator from a science fiction story.

    “As we landed on the straight plains of the planet Argentus Minor we could see the welcoming party approaching, headed up by their inhuman dictator, Laimutis Nargelenas. It was still quite a shock trying to assimilate creatures as ugly as the Argentians, and Laimutis was a particularly hideous specimen of the denizens of this dark world. It had taken several hours but finally my eyes had adjusted to what the Argentian’s call daylight. I realized that Laimutus had brought Dupnik along with him and something big was going to happen. It was most peculiar to see Dupnik outside of his gravity well and I knew it made it hard for him to maintain his composure on the rare occasions when he was required to be elsewhere. Dupnik also gave off one of the most foul odors which human beings could ever imagine. There was no doubt that the requirement of a very strong stomach to qualify to work a mission to Argentus Minor…

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