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I still fully stand by my statement from 2012 (not about Ohio, but still relevant):

“Until we crack that wall and have some real legalization out there, I’ll take anything — even an initiative legalizing marijuana use for people aged 47-51 on alternate Tuesdays in their bathrooms, if that’ll help it pass. Might as well start somewhere.”

That said, I’m really glad that this Ohio circus is over.

Let’s move on and get something good passed.

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33 comments to Ohio

  • I love you Mary Jane

    I didn’t really want to drive to Ohio anyway. I’ll gladly head for beautiful Colorado and happily pass my money to the bud tender at any number of fine dispensaries though.
    A tip of the hat to a state that does it right. Probably due to the live and let live libertarian streak of the Colorado voters.

  • Justin Auldphart

    I agree, Pete…get it legal somehow and let the monied interests fight it out legislatively…We have a signature drive here in Maine…two competing initiatives until just before the election…and very little difference between them…one side gave in but there was a whole summer of wasted effort with only thousands of useless petitions to start the fire in the wood stove to show for it…

  • Will

    When you draft a legalization proposal that has a certain percentage of legalization advocates against it, you’ve dug a hole for yourself from the start. Then add ‘Buddie’ the mascot to the mix and you’ve got foes and advocates alike wondering, “Is anybody running Responsible Ohio actually, you know, responsible?”.

    Responsible Ohio will be learned from as a way not to run a legalization campaign, not to say everything they did was wrong. That said, my hat’s off to Ohians for getting the opportunity to vote on a legalization measure. Here in Texas — where we’re so big on FREEDOM — we don’t have the ballot initiative process as an option.

    • claygooding

      Yes,,we have to wait for our politicians to “set up” a legal market. It will make Ohio’s monopoly look like a good deal if (R)’s write it.

      The one thing both OH’s monopoly initiative or a suck ass law written by politicians have in common is that both remove the probable cause law enforcement has now of having your home searched because a neighbor smells marijuana smoke or a cop smells marijuana in your clothing or hair.

      We have to suffer through political whims in TX,,OH could easily pass another initiative removing the monopoly after a couple of years for the str8s to realize just how much they have been lied too. IMO

      I hope this doesn’t set them back as much as Prop 19 has CA.

  • kaptinemo

    Didn’t we learn anything from Prop19? Sometimes we’re our own worst enemies…and the prohibs are still skulking around, looking to use our money to sabotage re-legalization efforts.

    Get something through the door and bolted to the floor, where it can’t be yanked out easily, and then tinker with it.

    So long as it is our hands that do the tinkering. You can’t trust legislators, you have to watch them like hawks. We know what prohibs do.

  • Servetus

    The drug policies of the US government, and the state of Ohio, et al., are in a primitive state of negative flux compared to the new drug policies in Ireland. Unlike Ohio, Ireland just announced it will decriminalize small amounts of drugs (heroin, cocaine, and cannabis) in a manner similar to Portugal’s plan, as part of a “radical cultural shift”, according to Ireland’s drugs minister. The contrast in politics is ironic and disturbing. Ireland isn’t usually noted for exhibiting cultural progress. The US is losing its edge.

    However, useful political tactics can be employed using the Irish legalization as a “boomerang model”. Boomerangs are often employed in non-democratic states by political activists.

    In the boomerang model, drug law repressed Ohioans and other Americans can turn to transnational activist networks or NGOs to put pressure on other states that in turn pressure the repressors externally. The repression boomerangs back and causes transnational public relations problems for the offending state.

    Essentially, some Irish NGO needs to name and shame the US and its various states for engaging in harmful drug enforcement policies which the Irish will now wisely avoid. The opportunity arises for American NGOs to add fuel to the fire by ridiculing the US and Ohioans for not achieving what the Irish model of drug regulation will achieve in the near future.

  • Will

    From a Jacob Sullum article appearing on both Forbes an Reason (I’m using an iPad and can’t grab the url for some reason);

    “Although his side won yesterday, Project SAM’s Kevin Sabet is the one who seems to be whistling past the graveyard. “We’ve proven that legalization, even by popular initiative, can be stopped,” he says, “and we intend to build on this momentum.” The fact that anti-pot activists are crowing about winning one out of six battles over legalization—a situation that would have seemed fanciful just a few years ago—tells you all you need to know about the future of marijuana prohibition in America.”

    ————————-

    Kevin claiming any role in issue 3’s defeat is as delusional as a three person terrorist group in Absurdistan claiming responsibility for a barbecue fire in Biloxi…

    • Freeman

      Yup. Seebat should consult with Mets fans about the folly of getting overly excited after winning one-in-a-row.

      • DdC

        True, but I’d say the Mets lost on errors,
        more than the Royals won.

        It was Russ Bellvue calling Don Wirtshafter a liar that pissed everybody off. Don was advocating before Russell was out of his diapers. Typical Russ, ad hominem or censor differing views. It was the wealthy brats chipping in 2mil with only one goal, to make more money. The goofy budman looked weird. Plus Kasich and DeWine showing their cards of sneaky underhanded politics trying to keep the vote from even happening. There is only one option for every American and Obama needs no Congress to remove cannabis as a controlled substance.

        Ohio Stoners Against Legalization Recycling Washington No on I-502 Scare Tactics

        On Ballot, Ohio Grapples With Specter of Marijuana Monopoly

        I posted several places except Russel has me blocked on twits and I don’t do FB.

        Yo Russell, Don Wirtshafter has done more for reforming cannabis in 5 minutes than all of your days on the planet combined. You are still an apologetic asshole and I hope to tell you that to your face someday. You set back reform with your constant appeasing the cops and their bogus laws. A true believer that only the rich can saved us is not much different from sabeteur SAM saveding us. The war is corrupt and you think buying temporary deals is how to keep the people safe. Yes the top priority seemed to be Mr Jessica Simpson getting richer, not to stop the persecution of stoners and sick people. This failed the same as Prop 19. Because it was a bad law. No state law will ever trump the CSA. Prop 215 is the only state law written for the people, not the promoters. The same shit is happening in CA on a larger scale with the same segregation and punishment clauses attached to appease who has no business even being in the debate. That is America, Home of the Free!

        The Ohio Marijuana Vote that Could make Nick Lachey a Weed Kingpin.
        Yes, that Nick Lachey.

    • DdC

      Here’s a story with the quote you left Will.
      Nothing came up for Forbes or Reason.

      2 Reasons Ohio Voters Overwhelmingly Rejected Marijuana Legalization

  • claygooding

    We need a pact,,never mention Kev-kev’s full name or last name again,,we have to kick him to the curb before the rest of America will.

  • Frank W.

    It was a rotten measure etc but I can’t help thinking if a “cynical cartel” had gotten a foothold in Ohio it might have changed the feds’ mind on cannabis banking.

  • Tony Aroma

    It was doomed from the start, mainly because the initiative was strictly about making money for a small group of people. It was put together by business people, who know nothing about the issues or the product. They were greedy, hoping for a quick buck, and the initiative reflected that. It had nothing to do with criminal justice reform or even just doing the right thing. I am happy about one thing: That this lesson cost those greedy bastards over $15 million, and they’re left with nothing to show for it.

    On the bright side, OH already has some of the most liberal mj laws of any non-legal state. I believe you can have over 4 oz before it becomes a misdemeanor.

  • O.B.Server

    Yeah, the whole point of (re-)legalizing pot, is to cease government initiation of violence against people, using pot as the excuse.

    The point of legalizing pot is not to make government point guns at your business competitors.

    That was a really bad choice. The choice before people in Ohio, was either to keep initiating government violence against people using pot as excuse, or, to begin (maintain) initiating violence against the competitors of a government (gun) enforced pot-monopoly. Yikes.

    How about simply ceasing to initiate violence against people using pot as the excuse? Too simple?

  • Servetus

    Chuck Rosenberg, the new head of the DEA, is qualified for his job. By that I mean he’s a know-nothing and a liar:

    What really bothers me is the notion that marijuana is also medicinal — because it’s not,” Rosenberg said in a briefing to reporters. “We can have an intellectually honest debate about whether we should legalize something that is bad and dangerous, but don’t call it medicine — that is a joke.”[…]

    “There are pieces of marijuana — extracts or constituents or component parts — that have great promise” medicinally, he said. “But if you talk about smoking the leaf of marijuana — which is what people are talking about when they talk about medicinal marijuana — it has never been shown to be safe or effective as a medicine.”

    • DdC

      Oh, but he has years of experience being a professional booze hound. Making him a proficient pathological liar that is required in such a farcical position. Except now there doesn’t seem to be an almighty infallible Czar to catch him when he falls down those 12 steps and busts his ass. As for we the sheople, good luck. Maybe they’re crossing religion into government a tad too much. Believing the Constitution is forever and ever amen. Or is it, as it is written. Just don’t pay attention to the slime oozing out from behind the curtain.

      but don’t call it medicine — that is a joke.

      NIDA Admits That Marijuana Has Medicinal Value
      The United States government has surprisingly allowed one of its most prominent drug warriors to admit that, despite more than 40 years of pot propaganda, marijuana does actually possess medicinal qualities.

      something that is bad and dangerous

      Yawn… Drug Worriers preferred methods of treatment…

      NIDA recomended remedy to rid oneself of Ganja Additchin

      Or after the earth’s great minds gathered in a secret underground city for great minds. Ganja Addiches can buy Spray Ganja to stop the evil Doobies.

      MS Drug Spray Sativex
      Can Help With Pot Withdrawal

      National Cannabis Prevention And Information Centre Study

      They’re coming to take you away
      Pr ho hibitionist ha ha he he…

      To the funny farm where life is beautiful all the time and you’ll be happy to see those nice men in their clean white coats. They’re coming to take you away Nora. To the happy home with trees and flowers and chirping birds and basket weavers who sit and smile and twiddle thier thumbs and toes. They’re coming to take you away DEA. Now it’s your home, the one the bank foreclosed. And They’re coming to take you away NIDA. To the loony bin with all you can eat perscription drugs like thorizine, and lithium, and electric shock and insulin. They’re coming to take you away Drug Worriers.

      What is Cannabinoid Deficiency?
      Cause of addiction to fixing things that aren’t broken to avoid fixing things that are.

  • DdC

    Bernie Sanders Wants to Lift the Federal Ban on Marijuana

    Bernie Sanders’ Fully Baked Pot Plan

    The presidential candidate is introducing a bill in the Senate today that would end the federal prohibition on marijuana.

  • Servetus

    Bill O’Reilly is on the drug warpath once more as he proclaims that all low-level drug offenders should be hanged.”

    This is reminiscent of LA Police Chief Darryl Gates proclaiming all casual drug users should be taken out and shot.

    I’m waiting for public protests to ensue, but it’s not happening. It didn’t happen when Darryl Gates said what he said. It’s not happening now with Bill O’Reilly.

    Where’s the outrage, as Bill Bennett opined?

    Well, tomorrow, Gianluigi Nuzzi unleashes his latest assault on Vatican, Inc., and demonstrates that the Vatican Bank, the IOR, is still laundering drug cash. Pope Francis failed in his stated reforms. This story is not making headlines. It should.

    I wondered how the continuation of an exposed crime such as drug money laundering within the IOR might continue employing the same banking conduit.

    I concluded the CIA has so much information on the Vatican’s role in Operation Gladio, as well as other human rights crime-driven agendas since WWII, that the CIA is in an excellent position to blackmail the Vatican to keep the scam alive.

    Also, in revealed documents, the CIA has stated that the Vatican has a better surveillance and information gathering network throughout the world than does the CIA itself. The Vatican is useful, according to the CIA. Meanwhile, if the scam ultimately fails, and it will, Vatican, Inc., takes the fall—black-op style.

  • pt420

    I don’t care where i get my weed or who gets rich off the market. I know 99 percent of legalization supporters will not be getting a sales license under any system passed by voters. For all I care, the govt can take charge of marijuana sales via state-run stores, like with liquor in some states. Just stop all the arrests.

    • B. Snow

      I would tend to agree with you -But- if you had state run stores, you’d end up with places where it would be too much like buying beer in Utah…

      White packages with black letters and a very limited selection of over taxed garbage:
      “Bargain Weed”, “Regular Weed”, “Primo Weed” & probably “Non-intoxicating Weed”…

      I just read thru most of that nymag.com “Willie’s crusade to stop big pot” – And, while I can kinda see the argument he’s making… Still though, Did Nobody explain the Kev-Kev (“the next big tobacco” speech/crap) to him?

      IDK which hit the internet first(?) Or who decided to use the analogy first.

      But someone needs to explain the problem wording and the comparison that Kev-Kev will undoubtedly pounce on repeatedly like a cat on a laser pointer.

      Surely somebody can/could point Willie to a link of Kev-Kev’s “Big Marijuana” spiel… (maybe the last time he debated Jim Gray, I don’t have that link on-hand but IIRC – he started using that argument around that point?)
      Willie doesn’t have to change his pitch on account of Kevvie – but he should at least be made aware of the hassle it’s gonna stir up if he doesn’t.

  • jean valjean

    OT
    The drug war…. a perfect excuse for sexual assault… url sums it up:
    http://www.alternet.org/sex-amp-relationships/shocking-numbers-police-officers-have-committed-sex-crimes

  • Servetus

    The situation has turned serious in California. Prohibition is threatening a rare, native, animal species:

    4-NOV-2015 — The relatively rare, forest-dwelling fisher is increasingly becoming the innocent victim of illegal marijuana farms in forested lands in California. According to a recently published study in the journal PLOS One, researchers found that the annual rate of poisoning deaths of fishers (Pekania pennant) rose 233 percent compared to a study in 2012. The toxicants were discovered to be associated with illegal marijuana farms on public and tribal lands in Northern and Southern California.

    Previous studies showed that rat poisons were being found in the tissues of this cat-sized relative of the weasel family when they were in proximity of illegal marijuana cultivation sites in rugged portions of Northern California and the southern Sierra Nevada.

    The only way to save the fisher kit is to legalize marijuana and its cultivation to get production out of the national forests, and to bring the industry’s manufacturing standards under EPA supervision or control.

    The fisher kit brings a special opportunity for legalizers in 2016 because it’s a cute little animal. A political poster featuring a fisher kit with its baby kits and the words: “Save the Fisher Kit, End Prohibition of Marijuana” might work well.

    • Duncan20903

      .
      .

      People have been whining about the fishers for at least two years now. But don’t count on the idiot prohibitionists to figure out that it’s their fault. We’re talking about people stupid enough to believe that the cartels are doing the clandestine grows smack dab in the middle of nowhere in order to supply California’s authorized medicinal cannabis vendors.

      I think it’s time for me to learn some Spanish. North American dialect please. Well, it’ll help my hurt feelings that I’m living in the only North American country with criminalized cannabis. From the “read ’em and weep Mr. Prohibitionist” category:

      Ruling in Mexico Sets Into Motion Legal Marijuana

      The Mexican Supreme Court opened the door to legalizing marijuana on Wednesday, delivering a pointed challenge to the nation’s strict substance abuse laws and adding its weight to the growing debate in Latin America over the costs and consequences of the war against drugs.

      The vote by the court’s criminal chamber declared that individuals should have the right to grow and distribute marijuana for their personal use. While the ruling does not strike down current drug laws, it lays the groundwork for a wave of legal actions that could ultimately rewrite them, proponents of legalization say.
      /snip/

  • jean valjean

    OT
    Leonhart Lite, Chuck Rosenberg, reveals that he is just the same old fascist goon as Michele was. Just what is it that Chucky doesn’t want the public to see?
    “The DEA chief Chuck Rosenberg said on Wednesday he thinks Comey “is spot on” in remarks the FBI director made on 23 October, when he said “viral videos” and criticism of police officers are creating a “chilling effect” on police work and leading to more crime – what some have dubiously called the “Ferguson effect”.
    “In virtually all cases, the “viral videos” are recordings of abhorrent and criminal behavior committed by police officers who are violating the law. If that is making police chiefs nervous, it’s not the fault of protesters, or citizen journalists, but the police forces themselves.”
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/05/ferguson-effect-ploy-reduce-scrutiny-police

    • Servetus

      The viral video threat to cops is such utter nonsense it defies classification.

      According to the idiots at large who buy into this idea, we have a police force that is fully capable of engaging armed shooters or snipers in urban settings, but who are nevertheless “reluctant to engage with criminals because of ‘the concern, rightly or wrongly, that you become the next viral video.’”?

      It’s like some kid telling another kid to stop looking at him—“Mommy, he’s looking at me! Make him stop!”