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Medical marijuana must be cost effective

Stung by costs, some of Minnesota’s medical marijuana patients back to buying on streets

As we’ve often said here, the vast majority of people prefer to buy legally if they can, and are generally willing to even pay a little more to do so. But when the cost is excessive, it forces the user to choose between poverty and breaking the law.

“What we’re talking about is an expensive designer drug that only the rich can afford right now.”

That’s unacceptable.

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131 comments to Medical marijuana must be cost effective

  • Frank W.

    Southern Oregon is in the same boat, as so many towns and counties have preemptively banned MJ dispensaries that travelling to Eugene or Portland might be a necessity, like getting an abortion in Texas. There’s no use in a state measure that legalizes dope only in theory with so many “dry counties” around. Lawsuits to the rescue? Not yet.

  • thelbert

    “The federal government might someday relax its stance on marijuana” this phrase from the article is the reason these patients are circumventing the law. you can’t wait for the government to get off it’s corrupt ass when you are in pain or having seizures. only a simpleton would obey the aristos when medical necessity dictates otherwise.

    • Hope

      I have known of a few of those people, and at least two didn’t like your comment. They truly love man’s laws on some sort of level of zeal that is very like a religious zealot. They love and obey the written laws of the land they live in, more than they love their own life or the lives of a suffering child or of a supposedly beloved family member in need.

      That seems crazy to a sane person, but they exist.

      A true prohibitionist won’t betray the beloved laws of this country’s government, not even for the life of a child or a loved one. Not even for the sake of the laws of their Jewish or Christian God. If their God requires love and mercy and the law of the land requires harsh judgement and punishment, a true prohibitionist will willingly lay down any religious laws to worship that government edict and it’s requirements of the moment.

      They think that’s “Respectable”.

      If there really is a judgement day for everyone… I believe the prohibitionists are going to be stunned to see how messed up they are, in this matter for sure, in the light of that occasion.

    • darkcycle

      Wow. Who would thumbs down that comment? More to the point, who here on the couch would wait and suffer until the Gub’ment told them it was alright to get relief from a medication we ALREADY KNOW to be effective and safe? A medicine that most if not all of us already use?
      WTF?

      • thelbert

        actually i’m kind of proud to get a thumbs down for a statement such as mine. the prohibitches need a little discomfort in their lives, even if it’s only the knowledge that there is someone out there disobeying them.

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  • divadab

    Prohibition Mark II – this is what happens when you compromise with people who are WRONG – the Prohibitionists.

    Washington State is a case in point – the new law actually re-criminalizes people who are currently operating within the law – insults patients by taxing their medicine (the only medicine taxed in the State) at 37% and reducing the number of plants they can grow to 4 (or 6 if they submit to a central registry which is illegal under HIPAA).

    Why is law enforcement with their 70-year failed policy even at the table? They are so wrong on every level – and patients are the victims of this political shitshow.

    Prohibition is a criminal regime and prohibitionists are criminals. Period.

    • kaptinemo

      Jeez, what can anyone expect from prohibitionist contractors with proudly displayed biases, the kind who scribble their ‘best’ work on the backs of envelopes,?

      Especially when they are hired to set up a legal cannabis market by prohib legislators trying to strangle said market in the crib?

      As to the issue of law enforcement being at the table, they should be standing in front of it, not sitting at it. Public servants giving themselves ‘aires’, thinking they are ‘stakeholders’, forgetting that above all they are employees.

      If what I think might happen sometime later this year (google dollar devaluation) does happen, all this may become moot. If Gub’mint at all levels is forced to severely contract, courtesy of a projected economic meltdown worse than 2008, cannabis prohibition will become a very small concern indeed as issues of national (and civil) survival will become paramount.The need for tax revenues will overshadow any particular minority’s monomaniacal neuroses about ‘evil herbs’.

      As CO and WA are proving, when the (legal cannabis market) money talks, the BS of prohibition walks. Prohibition is being forced to walk when it used to ride in style, and those fancy shoes provided on a prohib’s salary aren’t much good when you’ve been handed your ‘marching orders’.

      Should we have another meltdown, as is very likely, cannabis prohibition will not only be ‘shown to the door’, not only ‘kicked to the curb’, but bodily thrown in the dumpster out back.

      It was said all along: Follow the money. Prohibition was always a ‘rich man’s hobby’, dependent upon ‘disposable income’ that produced nothing tangible but the instruments of oppression, from handcuff keys to prisons. Prohibition from a cost/benefit analysis always was a drain on the taxpayers and a waste of their dollars.

      Well, we ain’t rich, anymore. We can’t afford this sick ‘hobby’ any longer. A point our legislators need to be made aware of, incessantly.

    • Windy

      I thought I already posted something about this but it must have been back aways if I did, cuz I couldn’t find it. I posted this link http://q13fox.com/2015/09/18/new-side-effect-of-washingtons-marijuana-law-youth-possession-now-a-felony/
      to my FB page because I was outraged by it. So outraged I wrote to the 18 state legislators for whom I have email addys:

      I truly hope their jury (juries?) nullify the law for these kids, what they did does NOT deserve a felony charge, it should not even be a civil infraction
      with a fine, let alone a felony with a prison sentence of 5 years! I am truly outraged by this and you all damn well better fix it! You are giving WA State a VERY bad reputation.

      The Sen mentioned in the article responded:

      Gail – I think the prosecutor is misreading 5052 – it’s not ever been anyone’s intent to create
      teen felons. We are having all the stakeholders review the applicable section to make sure it doesn’t do what is being claimed. If it does, we will fix it in the coming session – but so far it looks like that may not be
      necessary. My quotes were from a 30 minute wide ranging conversation with a reporter who doesn’t appear to have experience reading legislation.
      Warmly –
      Ann

      I wrote back:

      Dear Sen. Rivers;
      Thank you. I truly appreciate your response and clarification.
      So what, if anything, will be done about the errant prosecutor, and those three teens? Can the legislature send him notice that he has overcharged these kids? Or the Bar? What will it take to get these kids a lesser charge with no jail time and a fine they can afford (or no fine at all)?

      She answered immediately:

      The boys received a reduced sentence of misdemeanor. It’s the same pre-502
      penalty they would have faced.

      But notice she said nothing about the prosecutor.

    • kaptinemo

      Well, he is a regular at Bilderberg and attends the Bohemian Grove.

      But Cameron is also under fire for the Kengate Tapes.

      The handmaidens of the Elite are as sick as their masters.

      If you’ve ever wondered why so few world leaders ever step out of line and bite the hand of their hidden masters, then you have to deduce that blackmail is a powerful weapon of the Elite to keep their (as they used to say in Alabama) hired he’p in line.

      And of course, if a gentle reminder isn’t enough, there’s always the Dallas 1963 Solution.

      • Kaptinemo, I need MORE info

        I live about 20-minutes from the Bohemian Grove. Every year the private jets of these dick heads causes significant air traffic and noise pollution over my house.

        Kap, I’ve been looking into “dollar devaluation.” Not sure I’ve found anything other than nutcase’s so far.

        For example, Kennedy was killed because he wanted to put the U.S. back on Silver Certificates, OR that a “micro-nuke” was used on 9/11 on the WTC.

        Who would you recommend as a good source of info?

        NorCalNative

        • kaptinemo

          The best people I have found on the Web who can describe this better than I can would be Jim Rickards, Peter Schiff, and Mike Maloney. Do a YouTube search, then refine the results by setting the Filter button to ‘Today’. You’ll find a lot of weeks-old stuff being published, the same interviews repeated several times, but a sampling of those videos will give you the gist of it.

          They do a better job of explaining the actual process, but it goes something like this: print too much paper money, and you cause hyperinflation. Before that, you get a deflation, where the dollar is devalued to cheapen it so that US exports will be more attractive. This is known as ‘beggar-thy-neighbor’. And it usually leads to wars.

          Countries get caught in a vicious cycle to compete with every other country’s now devalued currency. The result is usually disastrous for folks like you and me.

        • primus

          Peter Schiff has been beating that drum for at least 25 years that I can recall, and so far he has been wrong more than he has been right. Remember, economists have predicted 13 of the last 3 recessions.

        • kaptinemo

          And to illustrate just how important it is, we have this, today:

          Soros, Icahn And Major New Players Rushing Into Gold

          When the Big Money Boyz start ‘duck and cover’ maneuvers and draw money out of stocks and put it into gold, the fecal matter is about the hit the ventilator.

        • kaptinemo

          Primus, the only reason why the collapse hadn’t happened is because of all the ‘stimulus’ we’ve had.

          ‘Stimulus’ like the wars. As one creep in Michael Moore’s movie Fahrenheit 9/11 put it in a sing-songy way, “Good for bus-ness, bad for the peo-ple…”

          Even before the guys I mentioned, there was Dr. Ravi Batra. He warned decades ago what would happen with all the mergers of the 1980’s and 1990’s placing too much economic power in the hands of too few, and a single greed-fueled (and maybe cocaine-fueled) screw-up by one of them could bring down the whole system.

          Which very nearly happened in 2008 with Lehman Brothers, and would have gone further. Again, the insane polices of the Fed and all the military spending before is what kept things artificially propped-up.

          (And the dollar being the world reserve currency didn’t hurt, like the old Dire Straits song went “Money for nothing…” since it wasn’t backed by anything, the Fed went crazy and printed too much paper money.) The market correction would have come much sooner for that. And almost did in 2008.

          What the Fed did back then in 2008 was put a band-aid on a sucking chest wound, and the band-aid is wearing off. No proper means of caring for the wound has been produced. And they used up all the left-over band-aids.

          There’s lots more voices sounding the same warnings, (and who don’t have any commercial dogs in the fight) than Schiff’s. I’m quite happy to let the readers decide as to the validity of their positions. I only ask that they be given a hearing.

        • Windy

          Don’t forget Ron Paul who has been preaching against the fed since before he ran for president under the LP banner. Here’s a link to one of this videos predicting a lot of what has already happened to our country and the world due to the fed gov’s policies, and the fed’s policies. He has tried many times when he was in congress to get the fed audited, which he expected would lead to its downfall, apparently Rand just reintroduced that legislation (he also introduced the “Read the Bills Act” written by DownsizeDC, he should have introduced at the same time the “Write the Bills Act” and the “One Subject at a Time Act” also written by DownsizeDC, those three acts would absolutely alter the ability of congress to bury us in legislation they don’t even understand themselves).

        • kaptinemo

          Windy, I didn’t mean to leave Dr. Paul out. On the contrary.

          But I have noticed an unreasoning bias against him by many so-called ‘progressives’, a knee-jerk reaction against anything smacking of fiscal responsibility, such as he had been promoting for decades.

          I have spent a lot of time on so-called ‘progressive’ sites, and have seen that pattern again and again. The word ‘libertarianism’ is an epithet to them, yet it is the basis for all our (supposed) freedoms. The very word sends so-called ‘progressives’ into foaming, mad-dog rhetorical fits. It’s nothing short of Pavlovian.

          Such a mind that has derided the basic principles of the freedom that lets them do so in public with no cost to them whatsoever, is indicative of how far the rot of Statism has infected what proclaims itself to be the intellectual class of the country. To paraphrase Franklin, they gave up freedom for fiscal ‘security’ promised by The State, and received neither.

          Most such people would rather hear from their portfolio managers than Dr. Paul. Whom they derided for defending their liberties while trying to preserve their purchasing power through fiscal restraint.

          Any wonder why the country is screwed up?

      • O.B.Server

        re: But Cameron is also under fire for the Kengate Tapes

        Oh man. I knew prohibitionists were bleeping pigs, but I never suspected that they were literally bleeping … pigs.

        • kaptinemo

          Read about Bohemian Grove. But medicate first. It gets even worse.

          A weird cult that cross-dresses, prays to a stone owl, makes mock(?) Human sacrifices and engages in other unsavory practices – runs a huge portion of this planet.

          I detect more than a slight whiff of brimstone…

  • Tony Aroma

    Sounds like this program is working perfectly, exactly as intended. Virtually every legislature-passed mmj program in the country was set up to be as minimally effective as possible. These types of programs are nothing more than check boxes for politicians, so they don’t have to answer annoying questions. “Medical marijuana? We have a program, so stop asking.” High prices, low or no availability, hoops to jump through, small list of qualifying conditions, limited strains/potency/ways to consume. Those are the hallmarks of mmj programs passed by state legislatures. And I believe they are all currently working as planned, with few to no patients being helped.

    • kaptinemo

      This is why I keep saying that a filtering out of real ‘stakeholders’ from the sabotage-minded public servants is needed when any cannabis-related issue is being decided. The latter have proven they will do all they can to maim the legislative baby in the crib so it can’t walk right in implementation.

      The latter group have been giving themselves aires and thinking they belong seated at a table they should be standing in front of. It’s long past time to remind them that since they receive a paycheck from those they seek to control, they are completely out of line.

    • You nailed it Tony. I think Elizabeth Warren has the right idea.
      https://youtu.be/K9gW3XQ0wZU

      http://tinyurl.com/qg23yj6

  • claygooding

    No legalization initiative or MMJ policy should be supported that does not allow home grows,,,period,,that way the home grows will keep the market prices competing for customers. As greed sets in more people will grow their own.

    I have no intention of ever paying taxes to any government.state or federal after 47 years of the government’s foot on my neck but do not rule it out,,if the retail price is low enough to make growing more work than it is worth which no politico controlled market has achieved so far.

    $2 per gram indoor grow costs will require $5 grams for me to try it.

    • darkcycle

      Nothing, and I mean NOTHING I have seen in the State stores even comes close to the quality of my homegrown. Hands down. Aroma, taste, potency, bag appeal, I have yet to see anything close to good enough to supplant my garden. Not yet. I’ll keep my mind open, but I ain’t switching anytime soon.

      • kaptinemo

        Your post reminded me of something. Back in the early 1970’s I recall seeing a cartoon of the Mary Jane candy girl in an edition of The Connoisseur’s Handbook of Marijuana with the caption reading, Mary Jane says: “Plant your seeds. Keep prices down.”

        Economically sage advice, no matter what era.

      • Nunavut Tripper

        Yes producing your own if you enjoy it is the best way to procure your favourite herb. I have always been self sufficient in that regard however I like strong sativas which are a pain to grow with their longer flowering times,lower yield and stretching tendencies so I buy sativas from a dispensary and grow my own indica dominant strains.

      • Plant Down Babylon

        My name says it all…..

  • Servetus

    PROPAGANDA ALERT: Man claims he killed his wife due to marijuana infused insanity. Yeah, right.

    DENVER (AP) — A Colorado man accused of killing his wife after eating marijuana-infused candy he bought at a legal pot shop was experiencing psychotic-like symptoms due to the drug, a doctor wrote in recently filed court documents.

    Richard Kirk, 49, faces first-degree murder charges in the April 2014 shooting death of his wife, Kristine, who died while describing his erratic behavior on a 911 call. His attorneys have suggested that Kirk was so impaired by the candy that he may not have intended to kill her.

    He changed his plea Friday to not guilty by reason of insanity, and the court documents give new details about his defense.

    Remember the infamous Twinkie defense used by Dan White’s lawyers to claim White was assassinated San Francisco Mayor Mosconi and Supervisor Harvey Milk because of a sugar psychosis? Well, we’re about to see a lot of extremely stupid psychopaths who believe they can outsmart a murder conviction by feigning weirdness through ingesting cannabinoids and then committing a crime. Marijuana, sinful plant that it’s alleged to be, as well as other drugs, are typically treated as scapegoats for undesirable behavior acted out by real criminals, or real politicians.

    It’s unfortunate people exist whose disgraceful actions make drugs look bad. It’s also unfortunate that prohibitionists will now pick up on the murder story and use it to claim marijuana leads to homicide and other crimes.

    • kaptinemo

      Shades of Anslinger’s ‘dog doctor’ and his testimony of growing six inch fangs and flying like a vampire bat around his room after ingesting, leading murderers in the 1930’s and ’40’s to claim cannabis-fueled insanity.

      “Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose”. Nothing really changes, just the actors on the stage, and maybe a few props.

      • DdC

        Of the 8.2 million marijuana arrests between 2001 and 2010, 88% were for simply having marijuana. ACLU

        So then the 8.2 million arrested for marijuana should be able to have their records expunged if they plead diminished responsibility for their crimes, of possessing cannabis.

        Admitting to marijuana use became a popular way of avoiding conscription, and murderers cited the brainwashing powers of “an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality and death” to plead diminished responsibility for their crimes. Their claims were frequently supported by an expert witness, the pharmacologist Dr James Munch, who claimed that “after two puffs on a marijuana cigarette, I was turned into a bat”. Sentences were commuted from death to imprisonment on Munch’s evidence, and Anslinger had to ask him to stop testifying.

        ‘After Two Puffs, I Was Turned Into a Bat’
        http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/16/thread16685.shtml
        Pot Turns Man Into Bat
        http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/15/thread15947.shtml
        Marijuana Laws Are ‘Complete Lunacy’
        http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/24/thread24544.shtml

    • claygooding

      I have conversed with several candy makers in the industry and all report candy is very hard to make with cannabis and not have it turn out mostly THCA,,non-activated THC that is still good medicine but not much buzz,,,gummy bears being one of the most difficult.

      I am sure some are activating the THC prior to cooking the candies so the THC is fully carbonized and that prolly explains why some candies rip you and others don’t.

      Even cannabutter is not fully activated and the top cooks say bake your buds for 30 minutes at 240 degrees on a baking sheet,,then make your butter for fully activated butter.(will be trying this next batch)

      Because everyone is not following a standardized method of extraction and activation of the THC it makes it a hit and miss over ingestion problem.

      I think standardization is just as important in a regulated market as in the MMJ markets.

      Just can’t get two cooks,,two growers or two stoners to agree on the best way to do anything.

      • Nunavut Tripper

        I tried baking the buds in the oven but it didn’t seem to make any difference. I heat my coconut oil or olive oil infusions for eight hours in a warming crock pot. I do add some lecithin to increase the absorption rate by increasing the fat content. There may be better methods but I’m happy with the results..both taste and potency.
        The fats retain the terpenes well.

  • DdC

    The Incremental spider went up the water spout,
    Down came the reigns and washed the spider out…

    Washington Marijuana Legalization Side Effect:
    3 Teens Face 5 Years In Jail For Possesion

    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
    Albert Einstein

    DEA Chief Admits Marijuana Is Less Dangerous Than Heroin,
    But Won’t Reschedule

    • jean valjean

      ‘“If we come up with a medical use for it, that would be wonderful. But we haven’t,” declared Chuck Rosenberg, the acting head of the Drug Enforcement Agency, in a Sept. 5 interview with Fox News.”‘

      Get that “If WE come up…” Not if trained medical staff come up, but WE, the DEA. Of course, as WE are not looking for a medical use, in fact we are doing our level best to hide any and all evidence of medical benefits, this seems unlikely to ever happen. Oh, and Chuck’s qualifications for holding this medical opinion? You guessed it, a law degree.

      • kaptinemo

        So, you have to ask: Is that an editorial ‘we’ he is using…or a royal one?

        It’s evident Chuckie thinks it’s the latter. Another example of unconscious arrogance of a bureaucrat who’s forgotten his place. He must be disabused of his illusion, pronto.

        And he better pray that somebody doesn’t print all the studies that prove him wrong and drop them on him from a great height. They’d have to weigh at least a ton.

        • jean valjean

          And his “medical” advisor, Nutty Nora, is on record as saying that NIDA does not not look for benefits, only “dangers.”

        • kaptinemo

          Yes, NIDA conducted the now-infamous 1974 UofV study.

          Whose results were officially buried (how else could this have happened?) when the studies not only didn’t provide the expected result, and instead gave an astoundingly positive one – a possible cure for cancer.

          It’s obvious the real danger to the public does not come from cannabis, but from NIDA. NIDA must have had a hand in the study’s burial. Which makes NIDA an accessory to murder.

    • The prosecutor suddenly says he favors legalization and opposes tougher teen penalties in a quick turn around. I guess old habits die hard.

      “Prosecutor Who Hit Teens With Pot Felonies Reduces Charges”
      http://tinyurl.com/nbdrzb2

      • Windy

        I wonder how much my email to WA legislators on that article had to do with that sudden turnaround. I’m willing to bet more than one legislator (including Sen. Rivers) contacted him and said “back off, buddy”, or words to that effect.

        • kaptinemo

          They are starting to get it: Custer had better odds at Little Big Horn than a pol who doesn’t understand what ‘demographic shift’ means. They are beginning to realize they are outnumbered. And the ‘natives’ have every reason to be hostile.

          I’m sure there has been a confab of sorts at Democratic Party HQ, at least on the WA State level. They know that if they keep this up they will lose a huge portion of the electorate there. They are feeling the cold razor steel of the social reality up against their political throats.

          Cannabis prohibition is rapidly becoming the ‘third rail’ in politics, whereas it used to be that cannabis law reform occupied that position..

          Yea, verily, the times, they are a-changin’. And the political parties are either going to adapt to that social reality I mentioned or bleed out from losing supporters.

          It is becoming clear to many pols that they MUST face this issue now, as the voting, taxpaying public is using this as a litmus test to gauge if they want to support a pol. And as just about any Comment section on any Website that covers this issue proves (with overwhelming support for our side evident), this issue is a no-brainer.

          Political parties are facing a stark challenge: Re-legalize cannabis or lose a majority of your members, and never regain them, again. (More people consider themselves ‘Independents’ nowadays than subscribe to any party, a trend that grows when the economy doesn’t.)

          This threatens to once-and-for-all rip the mask off of the American political system and reveal just how much of a farce it is. A ‘One-and-a-half’ party system. The people running things from behind the scenes, the ‘man behind the curtain’, the banksters who’ve gotten fat and happy off of prohibition, are facing a social and political Waterloo. Reform is diametrically opposed to their means of survival, the profits they enjoyed from cannabis remaining illegal. Their desperation is reflected in the inanity of the furious public pronouncements of those pols who are the deepest residents of bankster pockets, like Christie.

          The banksters are already on thin ice, they know if the last shred of faux moral and scientific camouflage is removed, and even the dimmest bulb in the public box lights up as to how the DrugWar has been a gigantic scam to fill bankster coffers, this country will inevitably face a revolution.

  • Thudworthy

    Massachusetts Court: Police Can’t Pull Over Drivers After Smelling Pot
    September 22, 2015

    BOSTON (AP) — Police can’t pull over drivers just because they detect the smell of marijuana coming from their car.

    The state’s highest court issued the ruling Tuesday in the case of a New Bedford police officer who pulled over a driver in 2012 based on the odor of marijuana coming from the car and without witnessing any traffic violation.

    The Supreme Judicial Court pointed to a 2008 ballot question approved by Massachusetts voters that decriminalized possession of one ounce or less of marijuana.

    The court argued that because of the new law, the smell of unburnt marijuana no longer constitutes probable cause to believe that a criminal amount of the drug is present.

    The court said allowing such stops encourages police to continue investigating individuals suspected of possessing marijuana in the same manner as before decriminalization.

    • Duncan20903

      .
      .

      After further reflection this ruling probably isn’t that remarkable. How difficult would it be for the cop to add “smelled burnt cannabis and saw the vehicle weave or whatever indicating that the driver might be impaired.” That turns it into a stop for suspicion of impaired driving. Perhaps the dash cam will have to malfunction but it isn’t like those things are reliable. At least if the cop has an on/off switch.

      The total cost to the LEO? Adding one sentence to his affidavit.

      • Windy

        WA has had that ruling from its SC since 2008.

        • Duncan20903

          .
          .

          Sure, it’s common to most, if not all States which have decriminalized. Also common is that we find that ruling subsequent to the decriminalization by a time factor of the average time it takes a case to get to the State Supreme Court + 1 day.

          I overstated the importance in my brain when I read the article otherwise I wouldn’t have posted it. As I said above, all the cop has to do is add a single sentence to his report and it’s a legal stop.

  • JimmyMuscovy

    “No one deserves to be judged, persecuted, shamed or punished for wanting pain relief from a legal, safe medicine.

    We are calling on all members of Shadow Mountain Medical Society, National Access Cannabis, Leafly, the Cannabis Buyers Club of Canada, CANLIO, Cannabis Digest, the Canadian Association of Medical Cannabis Dispensaries and anyone else who wants to end of persecution of Medical Cannabis prescribed patients. We have a unified group in boycotting all Nevada State Athletic events until they drop the punishment and fine, and allow an exemption for prescribed medical cannabis patients.”

    http://tinyurl.com/qb9jm5d

  • jean valjean

    “Mr. President, together with their fellow citizens, American Catholics are committed to building a society which is truly tolerant and inclusive, to safeguarding the rights of individuals and communities, and to rejecting every form of unjust discrimination.” Pope Frankie.

    Unless of course the discrimination is applied to drug-taking hippies and brown people…. they deserve everything they get. (Good grief).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pope-francis-address-at-the-white-house_5602b054e4b0fde8b0d08660

    • Duncan20903

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      While channeling god almighty pope Francis changed catholic dogma to allow priests to give absolution to women who had an elective abortion. I wonder if you realize just how much of a divergence from a couple of millennia of dogma that is? Having an elective abortion previous to that popegram was a mortal sin. Doctor and woman go directly to hell. They didn’t pass Go, they didn’t collect $200. It says to me that he’s willing to shake things up. I’m not holding my breath waiting for him to change church dogma with respect to cannabis. But I won’t be shocked if he does.

      Regardless of any of that, the pope has been marginalized to irrelevance for a couple of decades, so who really cares what he thinks? The citizenry in Guam sure didn’t care when he ordered them to defeat the proposed medicinal cannabis law which Guam voters approved on Election Day 2014. For a little perspective Guam is about 85% Catholic.

    • Windy

      Or gun owners, who he says “are not Christians”.

      • kaptinemo

        Then I guess I haven’t been a ‘Christian’ since age 15.

        And if damnation is increased by the number of weapons, then the Devil better start rewriting his resume, ’cause I’m moving in and taking over.

        One more excellent reason for my apostasy from the self-proclaimed ‘One True Church’.

        • NorCalNative

          Apostate, n. A leech who having penetrated the shell of a turtle only to find the creature has long been dead, deems it expedient to form a new attachment to a fresh turtle.

          From Abrose Bierce’s “The Devil’s Dictionary.”

          A friend’s son, in Lake County, CA, lost his home recently to the “Valley Fire.” He also lost an extensive gun collection to the flames.

        • Servetus

          Kevin Sabet is back with a HuffPost piece spreading his fear mongering lies and non-sequiturs as always, “Reforming our criminal laws is important. But that does not mean legalization.” Except now Kevin is hooting about Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor, who in a speech to Amherst College students said, “I don’t care what kind of thing you become passionate about, just not legalizing marijuana.

          Sonia Sotomayor in the role of Mommy Dearest does not appeal. She and Kevin refuse to acknowledge international legal standards that view arrests and trial procedures as acts of punishment by themselves, minus any temporary jail detentions, or extended incarcerations. She’s exposed herself as a mediocre justice in this example, as one more humanities major who can’t distinguish drug myths from legitimate drug science. In a conflict of legal interest, as a Roman Catholic, she’s really not being mediocre at all when she openly expects government to enforce the Vatican’s religious bigotry and tyranny toward marijuana consumers. She’s being a traitor to the First Amendment instead.

          Unfortunately for the world, some U.S. laws, including its drug laws, provide a convenient mask and motive for Catholic canon laws 1364 and 1369. Sonia, and other Catholic prelates like her, such as Bill Bennett, John P. Walters, and even Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio, are willing to use lawfare to achieve the dubious religious task of saving souls, or something. Note that under Can. #1364, Sotomayor and other Catholic justices could conceivably be excommunicated for publicly advocating anything remotely related to marijuana or drug legalization. Judicial impartiality in such drug cases would be impaired, and Catholic Supreme Court justices would deserve disqualification on certain drug-related decisions.

          Sotomayor is condescending in her marijuana remarks to students, as are most Catholic prelates. Sonia assumes Amherst students are stupid and can’t make their own decisions, that they can’t or won’t go online and learn the truth about cannabinoids if they don’t know already. Typical. Except for the Jesuits, Catholicism has a long history of anti-intellectualism. Prior to the Spanish Revolution, the clergy actively opposed education for impoverished Spaniards. In fact, the Church charged a baptismal fee that most poor Spaniards couldn’t afford, so the poor couldn’t even become Catholics before having their human rights violated by the Church. With Sotomayor, we see the repression once again. So much for saving souls.

        • kaptinemo

          I don’t do FaceBook, never have, as I always figured Uncle had his ear surgically attached to it. And I was right.

          So I didn’t leave a comment. But, as usual, the positive and intelligent comments there vastly outnumber the one or two shills, whose dependence upon repeating obvious talking point phrases give them away as bottom-feeder prohibs. Typical of top-down operations (see Communist Party, as in ‘Party Line’) lacking real grass-roots support.

          They’re simply not smart enough to come up with anything original. And Sabet is the best they have in that department…as his own allies bemoan the fact.

          ““These guys are in a full-court press coming at you from every angle,” says DuPont, 78, who runs the small, Rockville-based Institute for Behavior and Health. He sounds exasperated. “They have a bench 1,000 people deep. . . . We’ve got Kevin Sabet.” (Emphasis mine – k.)

          Yepper, and you’re welcome to him, too.

          Does anyone else hear the distinct sound of Mr. DuPont moaning during tinkling? Sure sounds like that to me…

          It’s painful to watch, really, like observing a ‘Special Olympian’ trying to compete in the regular Olympics. Totally outclassed. Unlike those poor unfortunates, the prohib leadership are well aware of their actual situation. But so long as the money keeps coming in from Uncle the game will continue; you don’t believe chiseling, miserly Big Pharma is going to pick up the tab when we taxpayers are forced to, do you?

          Congress needs more hearings like this one. And one question needs to be asked of doctor-of-nothing-medical Sabet: is Project SAM receiving any taxpayer funds?

          For its clearly evident purpose is nothing but propaganda on the part of government prohibition agencies (and all the parasitic industries like testing that wouldn’t exist without them), and the American people are damned sick and tired of being lied to by their public servants (did Kevvie reeeeeeally leave ONDCP?) who’ve forgotten their place…and need reminding, come next year.

      • B. Snow

        Wendy, I believe he said ‘Arms Manufacturers’ & that they would be hypocritical to call themselves Christians.
        Keep in mind he’s likely thinking/speaking in Spanish (or one of several other languages he speaks, He’s at fluent in IIRC about five) = So, the translation might be a bit off by default.

        Okay, here’s his speech to Congress, where he brought it up most recently he said:

        “Being at the service of dialogue and peace,” he said, “also means being truly determined to minimize and, in the long term, to end the many armed conflicts throughout our world. Here we have to ask ourselves: Why are deadly weapons being sold to those who plan to inflict untold suffering on individuals and society? Sadly, the answer, as we all know, is simply for money: money that is drenched in blood, often innocent blood. In the face of this shameful and culpable silence, it is our duty to confront the problem and to stop the arms trade.”

        Despite what the BradyGunWussies, or the FauxNeus *they’re coming for our guns* Fearmongers spun that = It’s obvious to me (amongst others that take 2nd Amendment challenges from the BradyBunch seriously), That he wasn’t speaking about their moral panic/folk devil raison d’être – he was talking “Big Picture”…

        Like = People who’re itching to sell/supply guns to the various warring factions in the middle east & that genetal neighborhood.
        Think – “Lord of War” (the IMHO underated film), as opposed to the d-bags that don’t understand the Prefatory Clause ~> Operative Clause language used in the 2nd Amendment that uses Miltias an example for its existence.

        NOT as requirement or singular/sole (as some love to argue), Conditional or “Pre-conditional” Clause = that it should only applies to Militias, as a “Collective Right”… And, sense we don’t have Militias we don’t retain the “Individual Right” to bear arms.

        People have nitpicked “bear arms” to mean many things (other than to own/use guns) but their arguments are as lost and weak as Kev-Kev’s latest HuffPo article whining about handpicked BS stats.

        Like *hospital visits due to marijuana* = When all the number actually measures the presence of metabolites, or patient admissions of ‘recent’ use – not any evidence that such use or tests are truly related to the hospital visit.

        To me that’s akin to connectiing suicides via a gun to “Gun Violence” = a deceptive statistic that dramatically inflates the stats on people shooting each other out of malice or whatever…

        And here I am having drifted into mostly OT/”Left-Field Land” once again.

        My point(s) being:
        1.The Pope included a little something to pander to – and simultaneously tick-off just about everyone – IMO purposefully.

        2.Kev-Kev can’t keep up with his own web of lies & deceit, much less what Justice Sotomayor actually said at some speech.

        He’s seen the light at the end of the tunnel, but he doesn’t realize its a train rather than “the Stairway” that could be, it’ll be his loss soon enough. I’m betting on it being he succumbs to a massive ulcer or a related (highly ironic) colon cancer.

    • Frank W.

      Long-ass article about drugs vs. “pro-life” states:
      http://crooksandliars.com/2015/09/take-valium-lose-your-kid-go-jail

      • DdC

        Pro Life? No, Just Anti-Choice

        The pure hypocrisy of the war party, drug war proponents, death sentence party and Wall St party have me trying to show the true pro life people of choice Cannabis. How it can de-fund their Neocon war chests. From a woman’s body to her using Ganja is her choice.

        Just how hypocritical these money changers really are. 90 million pounds of Monsanto poisons sprayed throughout the bible belt are causing OpResQ abortions. Not used on Hemp they fight against. Factory and Fields toxic substances aborting a fetus. Wages forcing wives to work.

        They fight equal pay, maternity leave, prenatal care and contraception’s. Blow up clinics and shoot doctors in church, and claim its all for Jesus. The land of Bush, Cruz and Huck. Delusional Carley outsourcing jobs and lying her ass off figuring it just doesn’t matter. How many are aborted when a bomb crashes into their home in the desert? In fabricated police actions, cheered by the drill babies drill anti-choice. Or how many rotting in Bo Jangle dungeons, falsely imprisoned for the profits or prejudice.

        Pro Life? Just boring hypocrites elected by purchase. The great fear of the anti life once they are born. Is dwindling numbers of pigment deficient bodies. You don’t see the anti-pot West Burro Baptist signs in Harlem or Atlanta Planned Parenthood’s. Rural Caucasian’s, lower IQ, more in poverty, larger brain fear centers, obedient, blind faith in Ganja abstinence, ECB deficiency.

        “I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good…Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don’t want equal time. We don’t want pluralism.”
        –Randall Terry, Founder of Operation Rescue,
        The News-Sentinel, Fort Wayne, Indiana, 8-16-93

  • Servetus

    A prohibitionist with violent tendencies is in a New York jail on charges of assault and criminal possession of a weapon.

    The reason for the arrest is that Mr. Juan Lopez came home and found his son smoking marijuana, so like any good prohibitionist father, Juan hit his son over the head with a frying pan.

    Juan Lopez, it seems, is a NYPD school safety agent.

    • Crut

      Jeez, I never though someone would take those egg-frying “this is your brain on drugs” commercials so literally.

      Wow, the potential hypocrisy here is palpable…

      • kaptinemo

        The new PSA, re-written to reflect the situation:

        (CT scan of normal brain)

        “This is your brain.”

        (CT scan of brain showing effects of blunt trauma, contusions and fracturing)

        “This is your brain after being struck on the head with a frying pan held by a rabid drug prohibitionist.”

        “Any questions?”

  • DdC

    Yea for Civilization!

    Denver-based marijuana patch maker Mary’s Medicinals expands to Oregon

    I just got a weed-infused massage, and I feel GREAT

    Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home

    Marijuana Legalization: Disaster or Catastrophe?
    Jacob Sullum | September 21, 2015

    Drug warriors are desperate to show that repealing pot prohibition in Colorado was a terrible mistake.

    Oregon’s Legal Sale of Marijuana Comes With Reprieve

    Bud tenders Ieasha Semler, 23, left, and Anna Marie Alcantara, 22, roll marijuana cigarettes at the Chalice Farms dispensary in Dundee, Ore. Oregon is exploring a new path in regulation and punishment as its legal recreational market takes shape. Credit Ruth Fremson/The New York Times

  • DdC

    Yogi Berra Requiescat In Pace
    “The future ain’t what it used to be.”
    http://t.co/ApHDXJmOpC
    “You can observe a lot by watching.”

  • DdC

    Well maybe,
    but what about long long long term use? More research!

    No sign of safety risks with long term pot use for chronic pain

    Letting liars and thieves call themselves government is the problem. Stopping them is like taking Christmas presents from little kids.

    A Texas police department added a drug trafficker’s car to its fleet

    Forfeiture $quads

    Money Grubbing Dung Worriers

    So slimy sebetians are to blame for everyone’s higher taxes. Is that enough to stop it? Oh, the Norquesters weren’t talking about those taxes.

    Taxpayers are paying $60 for every pot plant the DEA destroys in Oregon

  • strayan

    Turns out Kevin lied about what Justice Sonia Sotomayor said in his latest huffpo piece. He quotes her as saying:

    “I don’t care what kind of thing you become passionate about, just not legalizing marijuana.”

    What she actually said was:

    “I don’t really care what kinds of things you become passionate about. Maybe legalizing marijuana, but, you know, even that has people who are passionate and have accomplished something, OK?”

  • JimmyMuscovy

    “Mr. Trudeau told reporters in Montreal on Tuesday that his party supports legalization because the current approach is failing to protect children.

    “Mr. Harper continues to perpetuate a prohibition that makes it easier for our young people to buy a joint than it is for them to buy beer or even a cigarette, and that’s not right because we need to protect our young people from the negative impacts of marijuana on the developing brain,” he said. “At the same time, Mr. Harper continues to allow the marijuana trade to fund, to the tune of millions upon millions of dollars, criminal organizations, street gangs and gun runners. That is not acceptable and that is why we have committed to legalize, control and regulate marijuana.”

    http://tinyurl.com/qg9aw39

    • kaptinemo

      Mr. Harper is a tool of the banksters who got rich and powerful off of prohibition. If you want to see who holds the leash attached to his collar, google the following:

      Harper Versailles France 2003

      He hears ‘His Master’s Voice’ and obeys. And, just like in the US, his Master is not the electorate.

  • Servetus

    From Twitter, Kevin Sabet says:

    I think it’s a nice time to point out that Pope Francis is the world’s most prominent anti pot legalization activist.

    Sabet refers to this story from a year ago:

    POPE FRANCIS CONDEMNS LEGALIZATION OF MARIJUANA
    20 June 2014–Pope Francis came out strongly against the legalization of recreational drugs on Friday. The pontiff told members of a drug enforcement conference meeting in Rome that even limited attempts to legalize recreational drugs “are not only highly questionable from a legislative standpoint, but they fail to produce the desired effects.” — NBC News

    Despite everything else Frankie is doing to undo the social damage caused by the Vatican, he’s still neglecting the greatest social harm of our time—the drug war. And Kevin is praising him for it.

    • kaptinemo

      The Vatican bank is smiling. Its agents in America are on the job. It’s even got non-Christians (Sabet is a B’hai) doing its dirty work. And, so cheaply, too. It’s awash in blood-stained drug money, has been since its inception, and the last Pope who tried to clean things up, John Paul 1, the only Pope I could ever respect, died mysteriously.

      Frankie is being lauded in the corp-rat media as a ‘new hope for change’, but isn’t going to rock the boat that much. Not when it comes to money. And drug prohibition provides plenty of that.

    • Justin Auldphart

      I cannot deny his sincerity when dealing with the downtrodden of the world but if de Pope and his kind had their way back a while ago, we would still be thinking the sun revolves around the earth and death to any who might disagree…so much for Charming Frankie and his opinions on anything

        • Justin Auldphart

          Well, nobody’s perfect, not even the Vicar of Christ..I guess it was just wishful thinking that maybe someone in authority might actually give a fig about the state of things in this world…I got my lantern and I’ll keep looking

        • DdC

          Jesus wasn’t Catholic or did he ever claim to be a Christ. Rome is the home of the Church and Fascism.
          Wonder how that will turn out… You are in authority of what is best for you. Free Will.

          “Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . . we need believing people.”
          Adolf Hitler, April 26, 1933,
          from a speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi Vatican Concordant of 1933

        • Windy

          The Bible is based on Paulism, Paul who was a notorious misogynist, rather than the teachings of the (possibly nonexistent) Jesus. It was put together 300 years after the supposed death of Jesus and for the purpose of control of the masses, not for their spiritual health. Catholicism (and all the “Christian” denominations that branched from it) is one of the biggest lies ever told to enslave people. Anyone who takes the bible or the words of the leader of that atrocious scam of a religion as inspired by the mind of “God” is seriously deficient in the power of reason, IMNSHO.

  • claygooding

    THUD,,,Bohnner is quitting,,,please watch the speech by the Pope and you see the guilt of 4 decades of war mongering to feed the military industrial complex overcome him,,,a sign that at one time Bohnner had high ideals of where government should be going but he got lost in the lobby money.

    That is how I see it Vern.

    Another drug war supporter down and about 200 to go in DC.

  • Crut

    Oh, fun.

    Warning, the following link contains the phrases Marijuana droppings and marijuana-laced blanket

    You have been warned.

    http://www.hlntv.com/article/2015/09/25/baby-marijuana-blanket-florida

    Yes, it’s HLN, the same network that hosts Nancy Grace, so not too surprising, but still…

    • kaptinemo

      I sometimes feel like I’m in that move Caddyshack, where one golfer makes a bet with his friends that some slovenly kid they’re watching will pick his nose.

      As you might guess, it was a sucker bet; the slovenly kid did so. Predictable as an Eastern sunrise.

      Prohibs are just as predictable. They’ve unleashed their Inner Wacko, thinking people wouldn’t notice.

      The problem is, the audience they seek to impress knows they are crazy, and is not listening anymore to ‘a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing’.

      Which is aggravating said idiots to no end.

      • Duncan20903

        .
        .

        Oh come on. That movie has zero tolerance for credibility. Who in the heck is dumb enough to believe that a Baby Ruth candy bar would float? I do mean aside from Patrick Kennedy of course.

  • Servetus

    NEW RESEARCH: “… On the importance of aversive memories and the endogenous cannabinoid ”:

    Memory is not a simple box of souvenirs; it is also, and most importantly, a safety system for organisms. With the help of negative memories, known as “aversive” memories, we can avoid a threat that we have already confronted. Researchers from Inserm and University of Bordeaux have just discovered that the cannabinoid receptors of the brain control these memories that are crucial for survival. This study is published in Neuron.

    When confronted by danger, every individual has to make a crucial choice. This type of “simple” decision may determine his/her destiny: if the fire alarm goes off, we have learned to heed it and flee, and not to ignore it. In the same way, we avoid food and drinks that might have made us sick in the past.[…]

    The researchers conditioned mice so that they reacted to certain danger signals (sounds or smells). When they exposed them to these signals, mice that were deficient in cannabinoid receptors in the habenula expressed neither the fear nor the repulsion observed in normal mice. Interestingly, this impaired reaction did not apply to neutral or positive memories, which remained unchanged in these mice.[…]

    “These results demonstrate that the endogenous cannabinoid system in the habenula exclusively controls the expression of aversive memories, without influencing neutral or positive memories, and does so by selectively modulating acetylcholine in the neural circuits involved,” explains Giovanni Marsicano, Inserm Research Director.

    The control of these particular memories is an integral part of diseases associated with the emotional process, such as depression, anxiety or drug addiction. As a consequence, the endogenous cannabinoid system of the habenula might represent a new therapeutic target in the management of these conditions. [Emphasis Added]

    If prohibitionists had their way, we would never know about stuff like this.

    AAAS Press Release Here.

    • DdC

      Michael Pollan: “Cannabis, The Importance of Forgetting
      “Why would we evolve a chemical that would make us forget, that would affect our short-term memory?” That seems maladaptive. His answer was one of the great “a-ha!” moments I had when I was working on this book. He said, “Well, do you really want to remember all the faces you saw in the subway this morning, all the faces in the supermarket?” And I realized at that moment, well, of course, forgetting is not a defect of a mental operation, although it can certainly be that; forgetting is a mental operation. It’s almost as important as remembering. He believes that there is another see-saw there. There is a chemical that helps us lock in memory, and anandamide works on the other side to make us get rid of memory. This also relates to memory loss with regard to trauma. We need cannabinoids to forget horrible things that have happened.

      Toke-A-Day May Keep Old Memory Functioning

      Drug Worriers preferred methods of treatment…

      Celexa
      lack of emotion,loss of memory

      Xanax
      trouble performing routine tasks
      confusion about identity, place, and time

      Prozac
      difficulty with concentration

      Zoloft
      trouble concentrating, memory problems

      Adderall
      peeling,loosening of the skin

      Ambien
      lack of feeling or emotion,thoughts of killing oneself

  • FredHuhawira

    “Price said 1,600 people joined the tribe’s General Council voting on Saturday, and according to the coverage from Channel 3000, 63 percent of voters were in favor of the resolution to legalize marijuana within the tribe.

    Ho-Chunk Nation, however, still has a long way to go before they see any development on this issue, Price said. The resolution is still in its early stages and tribe leaders have yet to discuss the next steps. Price acknowledged there are many challenges moving forward, and the most important hurdle is marijuana’s illegal status in Wisconsin.”

    http://tinyurl.com/winchunc

    • DdC

      Mendocino Deputies Raid Tribal Grow Op
      In an operation that raises questions over the rights and limits of tribal sovereignty, Mendocino County sheriff’s deputies on Sept. 22 raided a medical marijuana grow operation on Indian land just outside Ukiah—targeting a project hailed as a new economic model for cash-strapped tribes. Some 400 outdoor plants were eradicated on lands of the Pinoleville Pomo Nation. Deputies also seized more than 100 pounds of trimmed and drying bud at a Ukiah laboratory run by the tribe where cannabis-infused honey oil was being produced.

      The Ganjawar Comes to the The Rez

      • Windy

        Makes one wonder if the real goal behind that is keeping the Amerinds relatively helpless to lift themselves out of the oppression they’ve suffered at the hands of the fed gov if they choose to remain on reservations and claim those reservations are sovereign nations. Like the gov may be trying to force them “off the rez”. I am ambivalent about that, I see that many (most?) Amerinds who have left the reservations and/or welfare dependency are leading successful lives. I see that living on the reservations helps them keep their culture and languages alive, but also keeps them very poor and dependent upon government largess. They straddle the line between being sovereign and being American, I’m not certain which side I wish they’d come down on, I just wish they’d pick a damn side and stick to it.

  • NYC Mike

    Haven’t looked at this site in a long time, but came back to say nothing has changed. Get a life ladies. This is a circle jerk of epic proportions. Yawn.

    P.S. to webmaster: Delete this comment immediately — it violates your policy of tolerating dissent.

    • darkcycle

      Another drive-by trolling. C’mon, Mike, you’ve gotta have better than that. Usually the trolls here have at least a LITTLE creativity.

    • kaptinemo

      We usually leave such drivel up on the page, Mike. You see, unlike prohibs, we’re not terrified of dissent…and certainly not terrified of one as weak and pathetic as yours.

      Most prohibs are like intellectual cream-puffs…with no cream filling. Not that you’d want to dine on one for a light (as in ‘intellectual lightweight‘) snack. Nope. They’re more likely to be filled with particularly rank ‘wind’. All they know how to do is ‘sh*t ‘n run’…as you have.

      Oh, and you must have noticed the increasing number of States that have passed, not just MMJ laws, but outright legalization. Soon to be joined by revenue-starved States eying CO’s revenue fattening coffers with envy.

      When the money talks, the BS of prohibition walks. And walking, it is. Steadily backwards, making brave noises while looking furtively over the shoulder for the exits. Like you, Mike, like you.

      Welcome to the future, Mike. And it’s ours. May you enjoy your increasing irrelevance; we certainly are.

      • Windy

        Saw a meme touting that 8 more States will have recreational legalization on their ballots next year.

        • kaptinemo

          Yeeees, a lot has changed since Mike last graced us with his presence. More wins for our side, and yet more coming.

          One thing I’ve noticed: the more the prohibs get whupped, the shorter their (pathetic) attempts at ripostes get. Mike’s was only three sentences.

          I suppose all we’ll get from him when next we see him is a smiley with an upraised middle finger…which means exactly the same as this.

          Defiant in the face of overwhelming odds…doomed to a predictable end all the same.

    • Servetus

      We see your pain, Mike. You can’t enjoy your horrid life because some idiot you work for might piss test you next week.

      I would recommend the William F. Buckley solution: take a vacation, sail out past the ten-mile limit, or just visit Colorado, and spend the day smoking doobies. You will see marijuana is much ado about nothing. Pot isn’t a problem if you don’t make it a problem.

      Drugs are your real friends, Mike. They don’t demand anything, and they make your miserable frame of reference feel really good. That’s right. You can feel good when you’re actually sicker than a plague victim. I know it’s anti-Puritan, but isn’t that incredible? I myself was once saved by the drug penicillin. Drugs are good. Your view of life and therefore your mental health will improve if you just lighten up and light up.

    • jean valjean

      Where’d you go Mike? Did they see you had nothing to do and sent you out for more doughnuts?

      • kaptinemo

        I wouldn’t be surprised if he is on the public’s dime. There’s generally two types of prohibs who show up here…and neither of them are very far from the mailroom level of their organizations.

        The quality of the foot-soldiers for prohibition has been steadily deteriorating, largely due to that demographic shift I keep railing on about.

        One reason in part is that a great many of them are cynical mercenaries (mercs); ideology is something they’ll subscribe to for a paycheck. They’re only in it for the moolah, and their decidedly lackluster performance as debaters shows that their side is not getting OUR money’s worth.

        But what is also happening is something else: reverse marginalization. As in it’s the prohib’s turn, now.

        With that demographic shift underway, the fact that they were always a minority is sinking in. The fact that they are becoming ever more so is intolerable to them.

        Like I said in another comment, prohibs are like hard tap water; boil it down and all you’re left with is the really hard, flaky stuff. The prohibs are being ‘boiled’ by the heat of reform.

        What’s left over? Uh-huh, you guessed it: really hard, flaky stuff. Which absolutely no one has any use for. Supporters of prohibition are dwindling daily, leaving behind only the really hard core Neo-Puritanicals that will not be happy until everyone is as miserable as they are.

        And, worse for them, they’re already known as Neo-Puritanicals, as they’ve almost certainly been that way for most of their lives. Those around them know them all too well and almost certainly shun them; most people don’t have much to do with them, socially, anyway. They ostracize themselves with their insufferable, holier-than-thou attitudes in feeling as if they have a right to tell you how to live.

        And then they wonder why nobody wants to be around them, and claim it’s a conspiracy against them, and blame George Soros for everyone thinking they’re a USDA certified @$$h0le. Pathetic.

        • DdC

          I fought hard water for years running boilers. Those minerals are largely made up of calcium and magnesium carbonates. Sodium zeolite filtration removes them. Not as many years as I’ve fought drug worrier carbuncles. We need a filtration for them. Truth. Reality. The Laws of Physics. A drug czar with an IQ over 50. Drag them kicking and screaming to a debate. With electrodes attached somewhere special if they weasel out diverting the subject or lie. Then a Tribunal and have them put into Public Medieval Stocks, as towns people dance around them while blowing Ganja smoke in their faces. Afterall, we’re the civilized ones. They probably just get aroused with flogging.

        • kaptinemo

          The great theoretical physicist Max Planke said that:

          “A scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.”

          The scientific truths regarding cannabis’s extraordinary utility, with the ability to positively affect nearly every aspect of Human existence, is becoming ever clearer and more obvious by the day…a point which the ever-shrinking number of prohibitionists shrilly deny. But their denials are climbing in decibels as their numbers dwindle.

          One day, there’ll be only one prohib left, and that one will still be railing from his/her deathbed about pot making men grow boobs or other such inanities. Deity speed the day!

          And, as to prohibs getting their jollies through sadism, given all that has happened with prohibition, particularly with regards to police brutality in its application, the scourging with ‘cat o’ nine-tails’ has been replaced by the Taser.

          The technology of inflicting misery and death upon Human beings always changes; the malevolence willing to use it never does. And every action of the prohibs oozes that malevolence.

    • Mr_Alex

      Prohibs are better off having their fates being decided by this:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmdTyG8BuXs

  • DdC

    Half Of Americans Think
    “Government Is An Immediate Threat To Liberty”

    Transcript: Pope Francis’s speech to Congress

    Let us help others to grow,
    as we would like to be helped ourselves.

    Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box
    To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home

    A nation can be considered great when it fosters a culture which enables people to “dream” of full rights for all their brothers and sisters, as Martin Luther King sought to do;

    “In any civilized society,
    it is every citizen’s responsibility to obey just laws.
    But at the same time,
    it is every citizen’s responsibility to disobey unjust laws.”
    Martin Luther King Jr. and MMJ Prohibition

    I cannot fail to mention the Servant of God Dorothy Day,

    “Our problems stem from our acceptance of this filthy, rotten system,”
    ~ Dorothy Day

    The fight against poverty and hunger must be fought constantly and on many fronts, especially in its causes.

    The 7 Corporal Works of Mercy With Cannabis

    • just heard that Alex is the one that shared this here on the couch – thanks Alex!

      • Hope

        There were always some British and Australian coroners trying to run that dog. She wasn’t the first one they claimed, but she is the prettiest and most memorable. The others before her, and mostly forgotten, were a teenage boy and another incident, also a young man, without photographs… and they didn’t endure and the coroners were pointed out as prohibitionists laying unwarranted blame. I have heard of another as well… but there were underlying conditions. Serious underlying conditions.

        • jean valjean

          From SAM Oregon
          “So I’m conversing with a pro legalization person on another SAM page and he decides to make a claim that the Rocky Mountain HIDTA (A committee that is funded by a Pro marijuana Presidential administration) doctors stats to demonize marijuana.”

          Someone please send these people a link to Russ Belville’s article above concerning who exactly is “doctoring stats”…. (Also, seven years in and I still hadn’t noticed that Obama was a “pro marijuana President.”)
          By the way I too prefer not to have a presence on FaceBook.

        • kaptinemo

          The Kiwis are similarly cursed with public servants playing politics. Wherever you have prohibition, you have scolding prohibitionists wagging fingers at you with one hand while the other stuffs the public’s money in their wallets.

          Regardless of language, regardless of geography, era, etc., prohibition always winds up being a corrupt circus. And the clowns in it have guns, and use them all too often for the wrong reasons.

    • DdC

      D-e-s-p-e-r-a-t-i-o-n… dragging out old stale gossip…

      30 Jan 2014 Mother thought to be first woman in Britain to die from cannabis poisoning

      Before the ink was even dry…

      1/30/2014 Woman dies of marijuana overdose? Impossible!
      The coroner who said “cannabis poisoning” killed a British mother of three is likely blowing smoke.

      Brits Copycat U.S. D.E.A.th… A-Motivated?

      New study discovers why cannabis may be causing psychosis.
      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-BiCNKCEAAIoV-.jpg

    • Windy

      That page blocked me and deleted every comment I’d posted to it. Now has a new post up at the top of the main page, everyone here needs to read it. Also in a side convo with Alex the page admin claimed Dr. David Nutt had been fired for misusing drugs, a clear and easily refuted lie: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/oct/30/drugs-adviser-david-nutt-sacked

      Professor David Nutt, the government’s chief drug adviser, has been sacked a day after claiming that ecstasy and LSD were less dangerous than alcohol.

      Nutt incurred the wrath of the government when he claimed in a paper that alcohol and tobacco were more harmful than many illegal drugs, including LSD, ecstasy and cannabis.

      • jean valjean

        Prohibitionists consider changing the laws on drugs equal and the same as “misusing drugs.” At the very least David Nutt is aiding and abetting drug dealers in the drug warrior fantasy world.

  • Mr_Alex

    A New Zealander has been trolling up SAM Oregon lately which is me, they even had the guts to call any professor who challenges their view on Cannabis as frauds and when I put up Dr Donald Tashkin, it became all silent on the Western Front:

    https://www.facebook.com/SAM-Oregon-1661902654055964/timeline/

    Found out who runs that page its Randy Philbrick

    I am proud to be called a TROLL by the prohibitionists, I’ll just up the odds, Kevin Sabet already does not want a confrontation with me and I have already called out Patrick Kennedy that it was despicable on his part to blame his oxycontin addiction on Cannabis

    Project SAM just up’ed the odds of a organized refuation operation

    • jean valjean

      Can’t find the evidence at this moment but I believe I read that Stupid Patrick said he had never used cannabis, preferring alcohol and oxycontin. If that’s true his blaming cannabis for his opiate habit is one more example of his defective brain functioning.

      OK, Found it:

      ““In spite of the fact that I’m also an asthmatic, I did try and experiment with marijuana, but I quickly migrated to other drugs and alcohol,” he said.
      “In an interview, Kennedy said he has smoked marijuana, but not much.”
      http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article24750262.html

    • jean valjean

      So Randy Philbrick’s day job when he’s not advocating for the arrest of cannabis consumers is pizza delivery driver. I wonder how many of his customers know this as they tip him for bringing that munchie-soothing pie? Does he call the cops when he smells weed wafting out of the front door?

      • kaptinemo

        I believe a few of them might actually be reading these words right now, and coming to a similar implied conclusion.

        In any event, the word is now out, and with all the speed our virtual Webbed feet can make, the matter will soon come to the attention of those in his community who might take issue with his viewpoint.

        Business might suffer soon, thereafter. Hint, hint, hint.

    • Windy

      So, funny thing, his profile doesn’t include Prohibitionist Liar.

  • Nunavut Tripper

    Myself and some others been having fun trolling Stop Pot 2016.

    https://www.facebook.com/StopPot?fref=ts

    They play dirty. I’ve even been called a skunk addict.

    • kaptinemo

      Don’t worry; they’re just the lowest end of the prohib food chain. Once the funding from Uncle is cut off, they’ll shrivel on the vine.

      Given that these organizations are little more than plastic toadstools sprouting from equally phony astroturf, and are fundamentally incapable of doing the heavy thinking necessary for an ad campaign, it is easy to deduce the brains behind it is ONDCP.

      The prohibs have not made many friends of late on Capitol Hill; Sabet’s unbelievable foot-in-mouth maneuver recorded for all posterity. The arrogant, benighted clowns have burned some serious bridges.

      (Advance to 1:45 for Sabet saying essentially that Booker is a tool of the ‘legalization movement’, and Booker’s obviously pissed-off reaction at such effrontery.)

      The annual circus of the Battle of the Budget, with the concomitant threats of Gub’mint shutdowns, bureaucratic snafus, all the sturm und drang you might expect, may make Congress more willing than ever to make serious cuts in the ‘drug enforcement’ agencies. Sabet has given pols an excellent excuse to do just that. For there can be no doubt as to where the bulk of his money comes from…our wallets, courtesy of ONDCP

      Given its scandal-ridden past, it is a former sacred cow in need of slaughter. Between now and Election day, we should repeatedly make that suggestion.

      • jean valjean

        At that point Sabet tried his usual slick, talk right over them routine on Booker, who simply wasn’t having any it: “Excuse me!” Kev’s credibility is disappearing down the plug hole with his every utterance.

        • Crut

          That and his giggle (?) at about the 1:50 mark is what makes it so infuriating that he has not been put out to pasture yet.

          There is no “us vs them”, only us.

  • “Bitter-enders still fighting lost drug war”
    http://tinyurl.com/o5svywg

    • kaptinemo

      Rohrabacher proves he understands the dynamics involved. He saw the demographic tsunami favoring re-legalization coming years ago and positioned himself on higher ground.

      Those pols who castigated him in the past for his support of reform are standing on the pre-wave denuded beach, watching the fish flap about on the sand, wondering what that thickening line of waves approaching from the horizon really means.

      As he implied, they’ll find out soon enough.

      No, his article wasn’t meant for us. It was meant for his fellow pols. As a warning to get their acts together, lest the demographic tsunami overwhelm them. The reform bandwagon only stops long enough for that ‘litmus test’ I keep yammering on about to be applied.

      If it turns yellow for cowardice on the reform issue, the pol will almost certainly be lacking in actual progressive ‘pedigree’ and electing them will be just the ‘same old, same old’. Time to look elsewhere.

      It’s also a warning to the bureaucracy: your days of meddling are over. A Congressman is publicly calling into question the very philosophy of prohibition, and drawing a line in the sand, daring his fellow pols to step over it AND BE FREE. To be finally free of the tiny minority with the Gub’mint supplied – and powered – megawatt bullhorn that used to threaten their careers as often as it threatened our freedoms.

      This is it. I’ve been waiting for this for years. A Congressman is showing by example that it really is water, and not acid, in the reform pool, and is openly saying “Come on in, the water’s fine!” to his fellow pols. Here’s their chance to do publicly what many wished they could do privately.