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President Obama finally clarifies administration’s position on medical marijuana

A lot of states are making decisions about medical marijuana. As a controlled substance, the issue is then that is it being prescribed by a doctor as opposed to… you know, well, I’ll leave it at that.

Thank you, Mr. President. That’s the kind of bold leadership we’ve been seeking.

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38 comments to President Obama finally clarifies administration’s position on medical marijuana

  • Francis

    That’s the kind of bold leadership spineless non-leadership we’ve been seeking come to expect.

    Agreed. Obama has been a HUGE disappointment on the drug war (and the war-wars for that matter). But I’m hopeful that the candidate that the GOP puts up will be better. For example, check out what Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry said in a recent speech:

    “We are outgunned. There are places on the U.S.-Mexico border where the drug cartels have operational control. We’re starting to see that violence washing over into the United States. We know there are transnational gangs that are operating in the state of Texas.”

    He then uses this rather alarming state of affairs as a springboard to call for a conversation on our failed drug policies!!! Oh, wait sorry I misread it. He actually uses it as a springboard to say we can’t have a conversation on immigration policy — and to call for militarizing our border with Mexico. My mistake.

    “So you can’t even have a conversation about an immigration policy until you first secure the border. That is the first issue that has to be addressed. And I will assure you of one thing, when I become the President of the United States, we will have our military, our National Guard until we get the Border Patrol trained up to have enough boots on the ground to secure that border. We will have aviation assets being flown up and down that border.”

    Um… Governor Perry, as far as your promise to “secure the border,” you do realize that we can’t even keep drugs out of prisons, right? And you’re going to keep them from crossing a 2,000-mile border? Well, you gotta love an optimist, but I’m guessing it’s going to be a while before we can have that conversation on immigration policy…

  • Benjamin

    What the hell did I just watch? That wasn’t even dodging the question, that was him just stopping himself mid-sentence and moving on.

    I don’t get it. He’s a smart man, how could he possibly think this is a good way to handle the issue?

    • Jake

      Actually, it is a good way to handle it – avoidance of the issue works too well. If he had continued his sentence he may have said something stupid again like “a legitimate topic for debate”.. then he may have to actually *gasp* debate it. He, like most other politicians, would rather leave an ‘answer’ hanging, regurgitate tired rhetoric or just avoid the question all together. Unfortunately, it has been a remarkably successful method to date in stifling the discussion.

  • Fairuse

    What in the Fuck? Did someone drop the cuecard?
    It’s easy mr president, just say “Cannabis is illegal and I do not support legalization.” You’ve parroted that enough, you should remember it.

    Or………

    You could say “I don’t support legalization but I do support individual states rights to determine their drug laws.”

  • Chris

    I don’t even get what point he was going towards making.

  • Steve

    His response is typical of any politician at this time – why? Because his mind is 99.8% on getting re-elected…

  • SHuff

    @Steve
    That is exactly right. It seems that all that politicians do nowadays is continually campaign. And as to @Benjamin wondering how Obama could possibly think his drug policy is right; well I actually don’t think he does. He is a smart guy, and I seriously doubt he has any illusions of “winning” the drug war. But he doesn’t care about doing the right thing. Very few politicians do, and most of the ones who want to do what’s right are absolutely out of their minds. All that most politicians care about is making money: so they protect the interests of big corporations to acheive such an end.
    Until we stop electing politicians, and start electing true STATESMEN like Gary Johnson we will never see any results.

    • Duncan20903

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      I say we need to do away with popular elections and go to a system of involuntary conscription to fill job previously filled by politicians. It has to be conscription because the only way to get the jobs done correctly and efficiently is to employ people who absolutely don’t want to hold the position so they’re going to have to be forced to serve. OK, the tough part is to figure out how to tell when people are lying and both those who desire to hold office and those who don’t would be inclined to prevarication to suit their own personal agenda. I didn’t say it would be easy to implement.

  • Peter

    There you go again….. that knowing grin whenever cannabis is mentioned as though the hundreds of thousands arrested every year was a laughing matter, their prospects damaged for ever more….weed is such a hoot isn’t it mr president, you should know…. god these fucking hypocrites make me sick…

  • Matthew Meyer

    The pause was tantalizing, if not revealing.

    Sounded to me like he was revealing some back-room strategizing about how to carve the “recommendation-not-prescription” approach into a larger policy.

    Uh, non-policy.

  • Peter

    There’s an interesting article on “marijuana addiction” on Alternet today.

    http://www.alternet.org/drugs/151991/is_marijuana_addictive/

    I thought this was a paragraph worth repeating:
    “With more than 800,000 people a year arrested for marijuana, the definition of “dependence” has been politicized, Mitch Earleywine says. “The distinction between ‘psychological’ and ‘physical’ addiction is completely invented,” he argues. “When later editions of the DSM came out, psychological was added primarily because cannabis wasn’t creating withdrawal symptoms, and prohibitionists wanted there to still be some sort of cannabis dependence. So dependence suddenly became two types: ‘with physical’ and ‘without physical features.’ Essentially, if you had enough problems but didn’t show tolerance or withdrawal, you could still get a dependence diagnosis.”

  • darkcycle

    Well. Good to have THAT cleared up. I’ll feel so much better now that there’s some certainty.

  • Voltear

    It’s too bad that when he started dithering on about how he “cares”, after his MMar performance, someone didn’t call him on it because he sure doesn’t give a feck about us.

  • Duncan20903

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    It’s perfectly obvious to me that we’ve been thrown under the bus as a quid pro quo for re-election support.

    Kick that clown to the curb. Clowns are supposed to be funny, not pathetic excuses for political leadership.

    • darkcycle

      Well, at least we’re not alone…there’s plenty of other bodies down here in the undercarriage.

  • no politician can be expected to seriously address ending the war on drugs until a large portion of the citizens demand it.

    so, even though a lot of people involved in drug law reform are suffering from the delusion that we have large enough numbers to matter, the simple reality is that nobody but us (and we’re only talking a few tens of thousands of people) really gives much of a shit about the drug war.

  • DdC

    “A lot of states are making decisions about medical marijuana. As a controlled substance, the issue is then that is it being prescribed by a doctor as opposed to… you know, well, I’ll leave it at that.“

    No apparently they don’t know Obombo dude. why not splain it to the krat bashers.

    Ok, first of all anyone compared to Boosh Cheney sounds like Cheech and Chong. No one has the back ground dung worrier mindset of Walters and Bennett. You sound ridiculous whenever the mention of Perry or some other neocon fascist comes up in comparison with Obombo.

    2nd, you give Obombo more power than he has, in spite of the patriot ax. The original president of the continental congress didn’t even include a president. It was only after they realized that Congress couldn’t act fast enough if they were attacked that they even considered one. Washington was the 5th. Or the first after the continental congress convened. Lincoln couldn’t even free the slaves, he had to rely on the war powers act and then could only free the Southern slaves. In states seceding.

    3rd as stated many times the supremes ruled that exchanging cannabis is considered commerce and therefore is listed as a federal offense. Selling it or giving it away are treated both the same. Obombo correctly, though ambiguously stated “that what is being prescribed by a doctor, what he left out was “to an individual”. The only ones legal under the 10th amendment and void of the commerce act or Obombo. He isn’t being a nice guy, he has no power. Blaming him for the CSA is like blaming him for starting Iraq. Only Congress can overturn or remove substances from the CSA. Blame the GOPerverts.

    Thank you, Mr. President. That’s the kind of bold leadership we’ve been seeking.

    This is simply ad hominem. If you want to blame him for something it is being too cowardly trying to compromise, or acting too much like a neocon. The worse part is you put me in the position of defending the bastard. Is it any wonder why the war has lasted a century? If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.

    The Art of War – Sun Tzu
    To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands.
    But the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

    a. If you know the enemy, and know yourself,
    you need not fear the outcome of a hundred battles.

    b. If you know yourself, but not the enemy,
    for every victory gained you will also suffer defeat.

    President of the United States
    Powers and duties
    Perhaps the most important of all presidential powers is command of the United States armed forces as commander-in-chief. While the power to declare war is constitutionally vested in Congress, the president commands and directs the military and is responsible for planning military strategy. The framers of the Constitution took care to limit the president’s powers regarding the military;

    The president is the chief executive of the United States, putting him at the head of the executive branch of the government, whose responsibility is to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed.” The executive branch has over four million employees, including members of the military. Most of the nation’s Framers expected Congress, which was described first in the Constitution, to be the dominant branch of government; they did not want or expect a strong executive.

    Myth #8: The Emancipation Proclamation freed all black people.
    Many people think it did, but the Emancipation Proclamation did not free all the slaves in the United States and here is why. The Emancipation Proclamation didn’t actually free any slaves because it related only to areas under the control of the Confederacy. The South broke away from the North, and President Lincoln couldn’t make slave owners living in the Confederate states of America obey the Emancipation Proclamation. After the Civil War ended and the South became part of the United States again, the South had to obey Lincoln. The Emancipation Proclamation didn’t include slaves in the border states and in some southern areas under the North’s control, such as Tennessee and parts of Virginia and Louisiana. Although no slaves were actually freed by the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863, it did lead to the 13th Amendment to the Constitution. The 13th Amendment became a law on December 18, 1865, and ended slavery in all parts of the United States.

    Note. Compassionate Use Act not the MMJ Act

    HS 11362.5. (a) This section shall be known and may be cited as the Compassionate Use Act of 1996.

    * has been recommended by a physician

    * person’s health would benefit

    * or any other illness for which marijuana provides relief.

    * no physician in this state shall be punished,

    * Illegal possession and cultivation of marijuana,
    shall not apply to a patient, or to a patient’s primary caregiver

    * upon the written or oral recommendation or approval of a physician

    * The department shall establish and maintain a voluntary program for the issuance of identification cards to qualified patients who satisfy the requirements of this article and voluntarily apply to the identification card program.

    * “Qualified patient” means a person who is entitled to the protections of Section 11362.5, but who does not have an identification card issued pursuant to this article.

    * It shall not be necessary for a person to obtain an identification card in order to claim the protections of Section 11362.5.

    * A qualified patient or a person with an identification card

    * Any individual who provides assistance

    * A designated primary caregiver who transports, processes, administers, delivers, or gives away marijuana for medical purposes

    * (a) Subject to the requirements of this article, the individuals specified in subdivision (b) shall not be subject, on that sole basis, to criminal liability.

    So anyone strictly in it for the profits is shit out a luck until the CSA is overturned or at least Ganja and Hemp are removed as controlled substances. As it stands anyone in CA is legal, including their caregivers as long as they don’t sell it or give it away. In reality it is doubtful that the feds have resources to bust less than 99 plant grow ops. But they have jurisdiction if they choose or if it is brought to their attention. Everyone else is subject to state law as individuals and can serve jail time just the same as if the feds busted you. But it ain’t Obombo. This just in???

    More Evidence of A Failed Drug War!
    The truth is, that Cannabis is already legal. It’s only illegally fake. We just have to become Freeman and claim our right. The Drug act is exactly that, an Act. We are tricked into thinking acts are laws, when they’re are not. Don’t get caught up in the deception.

    • Geez, DdC. Can’t you actually use people’s names? What is this Jr. High fetish for mis-spelling every name to be some kind of meaningless sound parody of the name?

      Only Congress can overturn or remove substances from the CSA.

      Wrong.

      Maybe if you read the CSA instead of regaling us with irrelevant encyclopedias on the Sun Tzu and the Emancipation Proclamation, you’d learn something.

      You might want to read up on the definition of ad hominem, as well.

      • DdC

        My rules Pete… ad hominem?

        Can’t you actually use people’s names? What is this Jr. High fetish for mis-spelling every name to be some kind of meaningless sound parody of the name?

        Meaningless is an observation and yours are no better or worse than anyone else. Fetish buzzwords are more akin to junior high and neocon swift boaters. Congress enacted the CSA, the President can only choose not to enforce it or the Congress can choose to not pay for its enforcement or remove it. Since you leave no ref by insinuating I errored I assume you believe Obombo can or there is something other than…

        “Arbitrary and capricious” is legal language that was used by DEA Administrative Law Judge Francis Young in 1988 to conclude that DEA was obligated under the Controlled Substances Act to reschedule marijuana as a prescription medicine. DEA Chief Administrator Robert Bonner proceeded to arbitrarily and capriciously disregard Judge Young’s well researched and reasoned decision, (which the Act allowed him to do.)

        irrelevant encyclopedias on the Sun Tzu and the Emancipation Proclamation

        The majority of people in this country read or watch 5th grade level news or are taught by pompous obedient idiots with degrees, passing on gossip such as Lincoln Freed the Slaves the same as any administrated depravation of education. The Emancipation Proclamation page refed that point good enough for me. Irrelevant? I don’t know who’s website it is but I don’t think they feel irrelevant.

        Ignorance that most citizens and seemingly all Libertarians believe politicians and the non-tangible government actually run the drug war. Your denialist attitude of a typical standard reformer to exempt the international fossil fools industries, timber, steel, plastic, big ag, big pharma. Koch prisons, and segregated schools. Copshops budgets, rehabs, piss tastes and meat, dairy and fish because it butters their bread. Soros won’t sell out Monsanto anymore than Cliarence Thomas. oops there I go again.. Until the enemy is known let alone dealt with, the war will continue as Sun Tzu said. As the reformers follow the dung worriers in another hundred years of circles. Censored school books will keep teaching ignorance and having a diploma only gives the ignorant authority. Until you see why racism exists instead of whining about it. Until you see why the drug war exists instead of 15 different groups blaming and shaming… It will remain a way of life. This is your first lesson…

        Al Capone and Watergate were red herrings to divert the countries attention from the Fascist acts of eliminating competition. Booze/Ethanol or Ganja//Hemp.

        AMERICA- Not A Christian Nation

        My spellchecker says you misspelled misspell.

    • darkcycle

      Ddc, one little executive order. That’s all it would take for Obummer to declare truce in the drug war. Righty-right, he can’t change the law. But he issues the orders until someone comes along and says otherwise.
      If you’re making apologies for that fascist bastard, you’ve been snowed.

      • DdC

        dq he’s a fascist lite with no clout. He may not be doing a damn thing to forward reform, but he is not aggressively trying to go backwards either. I’d never apologize for any politikan but blaming him for the commerce act decision is only a diversion. Same as quicky plea bargain guilty pleas winning cases for DA’s, leaving violent actual criminals go free. Better that 50 guilty go free before caging one innocent went along the way of necessity being the mother of invention, integrity and ethics. Obombo is a thimble of sewage in the pool. I don’t believe he would have won without a deal with sir hilary and giving vp to drug thug bidon. These aren’t the traits of a “legalizer”. Executive orders weren’t part of the discussion. Or remotely likely for obombo. Overturning the CSA was. Though originally it was accusing obombo of backtracking on busting buyers clubs, as I’ve shown he hasn’t. Buyers clubs are under the commerce act while he hasn’t or can’t bust individuals in states legalizing because of the 10th amendment, not Obombo. Shuck and Jive all you want, I ain’t goin nowhere. Second thought I don’t think Obombo can choose not to enforce what he was elected and sworn to uphold. So it is up too Congress or the Consumers.

        The Obama Admin’s Anti-Marijuana Manifesto – 02/01/11
        [b]* Multiple DEA Raids Target Marijuana in Hawaii
        * Obama: Drug Legalization is “An Entirely Legitimate Topic for Debate”
        * Hil and Gil on the Drug War[/b]

        How can anyone get that obombo’s sympathic or even minutely as dangerous as a Neocon?

        Obama’s Incoherence On Marijuana
        One executive order signed by President Obama would effectively legalize marijuana on a federal level by directing the Justice Department to lay off caregivers, dispensaries, collectives, etc. in states that have legalized medical marijuana. But even a single signature has proven to be too much for our President when it comes to helping sick people.

        See, this is a falsehood that leaves Obombo chastised for actually helping sick and healthy people use Ganja under the 10th amendment protection. Only those wanting to sell it have a problem and are the only ones getting busted. Mixing the two is disingenuous and more typical shuck and jive. Just not fox. I see no reality in obombo over turning the CSA. I still don’t see where he even has the authority if he had the mind too, which his record proves he doesn’t. Seems the ex order can only do what I have already claimed. Another diversion…

        Will Obama Legalize It? hightimes Paul Armentano
        Finally, Obama can use the power of the Executive Office to encourage broader marijuana-policy reforms, specifically by calling for the creation of a bipartisan presidential commission to review the budgetary, social and health costs associated with federal marijuana prohibition. A rational, open-minded examination of this issue would almost certainly lead the Obama administration to join forces with leading Democrats like House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-California) and Massachusetts Congressman Barney Frank (D-Massachusetts) in calling for an end to federal penalties for any cannabis use by adults.

        These are just a few of the actions that Barack Obama could – and should – take as America’s 44th president. But will he? The answer remains largely up to us. Remember, the new administration presents us not with a solution, but with an opportunity. It’s up to us to seize it by continuing our civic engagement well beyond Election Day.

        This seems more reality based, not a mention of Obombo overturning the CSA. Still complaints and treating symptoms, avoiding the disease.

        Executive Order

        n. a President’s or Governor’s declaration which has the force of law, usually based on existing statutory powers, and requiring no action by the Congress or state legislature.

        I hope I don’t have to whip out my lil birdie story!

      • darkcycle

        There are no limits on executive order anymore. On an executive order the President can trump the Congress, the Constitution AND the law (torture, extraordinary rendition). So far the only thing I’m not sure it will trump is the Supreme Court.
        The President apparently has the power of a King to do as he likes….oh wait,…. that was Bush. I forgot the current liberal line consists of hand wringing about how little Obama can do to change anything, and how little power he really has as President with a Congress that is split. It’s as if they are pretending that Bush didn’t exist.
        Well, that’s bullshit, it’s like the billions of dollars they gave to the banksters, and endless rounds of “quantitative easing” and now they claim they can’t afford Medicare and Social Security. SS is solvent ’till 2037 and it’s SELF FUNDING.
        The only conclusion I am left to reach is that can and will do whatever the fuck they want with NO fear of legal jeapordy or repurcussions. Just as long as Obama can continue to dupe the gullible into believing he has no power”

      • Duncan20903

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        Mr. Obama certainly does have the power to issue pardons to anyone arrested or convicted of any laws he doesn’t like, with the only way to stop him being impeachment leading to removal from office. That is precisely how involuntary conscription into military service passed into the dust bin of history. Mr. Carter insisted, pardoned the Vietnam draft dodgers shortly after taking office in 1977, and an all volunteer military was born. He had somewhere in the vicinity of 30-35% support among the public for doing so. The hysterical rhetoric of the day was that the military would collapse without conscription, the commies would soon assimilate a defenseless United States of America, and that the draft dodgers shouldn’t be “rewarded” for “breaking the law.” Any of that cow doodie sound familiar? Well not the “commies will win” part, that part of American life in 1977 is now history. Please update the word “commies” with the word “terrorists.”

        Nowadays when someone mentions Marxist rhetoric I tend to think, “that’s the craziest thing I’ve ever heard.” Perhaps someday I’ll recall why we were so scared of the communists back then.

  • Shap

    Any above commenters who have said something along the lines of: “no current politician would possibly support ending the war on drugs until the public gets behind it” don’t know shit. I know Pete thinks he has no chance of winning any election besides the 11 or so terms he’s won in the House of Representatives, but Ron Paul is a politician who has been railing against the Drug War for potentially longer than I’ve been alive. Ron Paul as president would shatter the drug war status quo and would make these three years with Barry look like a complete waste of time by comparison.

    • Francis

      Who is this “Ron Paul” character you speak of? I don’t believe I’ve heard of him.

      http://reason.com/blog/2011/08/16/starring-claude-rains-as-ron-p

      (Check out the clip if you haven’t already seen it. It’s pretty damn funny.)

      • DdC

        Francis August 16, 2011 at 7:12 pm · Reply
        Who is this “Ron Paul” character you speak of? I don’t believe I’ve heard of him.

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        Hows this Windy? My gist on Ron Paul. He is a Libertarian who ran as a Republican because Libertarians don’t usually win. He has a thousand times more sense than his rugrat. He is against the drug war and foreign police actions unsanctioned by Congress. Most democrats hate the thought of a smaller government and really fear him. But I’ve heard Paul speak for over 10 years and the government entitlements he suggests removing as unConstitutional. Or such things as the Federal Reserve, going back to a Gold Standard. Privatizing public schools, national parks and social security, medicare and student grants etc. Unlike the Neocons like the Boosh Rumsfeld Rove Cheney Grover and the Dick Armey and the Koch’s who are based solely for profit. Ron Paul has stated he would enact his program over time and nothing to leave American citizens in such dire straights as to remove even more Constitutional rights.

        The greed incentives of the revamped Teabags manipulating the good ole boys and racists are not Ron Paul. He may have been the appointed leader or even a founder of the Tea Party, but it has left the building. Teabags are Neocon groupies. If they started out following Ron Paul they should see that he is not affiliated with the same people. Paul, I believe actually sees the reality of corporations. Especially multi national tax cheats and Koch’s buying legislation and legislators, judges and local school boards. All to provide more profit through cheaper labor. 10 years of Boosh Cheney tax loopholes, deadbeats and deregulation. The DOW went up as jobs here went down, and we need look no farther than Klintoon’s NAFTA/GATT providing outsourcing. Buying corporate products takes money away from local communities the same as Federal Taxes, sheltered by the Neocons putting more burden on the workers. The poor getting benefits, spend the money locally. DC and Wall St or us.

        Neocons are big liberal government and socially conservative. Ron Paul is the oposite. The difference between their liberal government and Liberals is how the money is spent. Neocons gut tax paid social services and domestic aid, while increasing the tax paid Military, and Prison budgets. Gutting Unions brings low wage scab jobs and cheaper prices for crap from wall mart multi national fascists. Cheaper by outsourced disposable labor in Thailand, India or China. Killing US jobs. Perpetual profits, perpetual wars. While the elected x CEO’s legislate for corporate profit. Liberals want the money spent on local citizens band aids. The band aids cost less than leaving the patient hemorrhage but since Nixon has become a staple instead of a temporary less expensive less dramatic fix. Neocons want to rip the band aids off and repeat History of what happens to people without the band aids. Old decrepit seniors spare changing ain’t a pretty sight. If the “treatment” is something to sell the poor, then they’re all for it.

        I don’t recollect Ron Paul as ever having a better shot at it. I doubt if the GOPerverts will permit it since the Neocon koch’s and Karl Rove are in opposition. Then I doubt if he could beat Obombo since the Neocons would rather have a krat target than a goper that isn’t “one of their own”. I’d like to see the Green Party get behind him and I’d like him to realize that spewing dioxins and other toxic waste due to deregulating control limits and inspections takes Liberty from people. That corporations can oppress as bad as politicians bad laws. So if half of the people can’t vote, half of the remaining don’t register, half of them don’t cast a vote. Leaving 1/8th split down the middle meaning 1/16th of the population actually deciding the outcome of an election. If we get some that aren’t registered pool and some others to get off the couch and cast a vote we would have twice as many as we need. I think he has a shot. I’d vote for him.

        “If the people knew what we had done,
        they would chase us down the street and lynch us.”
        ~ George H.W. Bush to journalist Sarah McClendon

        Ron Paul accuses the CIA, Bush sr, and the democrats of drug trafficking

  • Duncan20903

    Ron Paul as president would shatter the drug war status quo and would make these three years with Barry look like a complete waste of time by comparison.

    Gosh, analogize with something that’s going to require a little effort at least. I can actually envison a day in the not too distant future when Mr. Bush the lesser’s administration could “make these three years with Barry look like a complete waste of time by comparison.” Now you’ll have to excuse me. I’ve gotten a brand new dartboard with Barry’s picture instead of a standard issue target and I want to get it set up. Later this week I expect to have my custom made Barack Obama voodoo doll in hand. Now all that I need to make my life complete is for someone to start manufacturing and distributing Barack Obama commemorative toilet paper.
    ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— ———
    I got blocked by The Washington Times. I suppose that balances the dumbbells since The Seattle Times did so as well. But gosh at least I know what got the Seattle Times mad at me. Oh well, don’t hold your breath waiting for me to buy another flower from a Moonie at the airport.

    • darkcycle

      I don’t like the Moonies or the LaRouchies. I miss the Krisna’s. I have an entire shelf of those hard cover books they used to give away for donations at airports. Fantastic artwork, perfect for losing yourself in after a few B/T’s. If you were a teenager traveling alone they’d talk with you for hours, and sometimes they’d even feed you. All in an effort to get you to shave your head and stand in a bedsheet two concourses over. I used to eat at the hollywood Krisna temple every wed. night when I was on the streets in L.A. as a 14 yr old runaway (yep, that was me, but what’d you expect? my old man was a cop…though not at that time). Good vegetarian food, free. Then you’d hafta stay for meditation, but I’d slip out and blaze one first and it was all good.
      Moonies are freaks. Krisna’s are mostly harmless.

      • Duncan20903

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        I’ve mentioned before that I grew up about 20 miles from the LaRouche “compound” and that meant the man was part of my life on almost a daily basis until they sent him to Federal prison for credit card fraud. You couldn’t vote or go to the DMV in my home town without running into followers of Mr. LaRouche. Now those people were dictionary picture examples of political nutcakes. They may have been known nationwide but Northern Virginia in the 1980s/early 1990s was just infested with them. All that I really recall about the Moonies was their annual wedding ceremony with the picture of hundreds of couples all dressed in traditional wedding formal getting hitched at the same time.

        I do have a vivid recollection of a conversation with a man proselytizing for the Hare Krishnas when I was tripping to the bejeezuz circa 1982. That poor guy was certainly confused after we went our separate ways. Perhaps more accurately more confused than before we had our conversation.

      • darkcycle

        Moonies are a menace. Moonies own and run the Washington Times. The moonies are very right wing, they fund several ultra-right looney think-tanks. they believe in governance by the rev. Sun Myung Moon. He’s the only authority they recognize. And HIS kingdom of god doesn’t include you or me.
        Wiki quick-slice:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_Church_political_activities

      • DdC

        OK dq, now you’re changing the game plan again. Obombo ran as a klintonian drug thug. The only single thing he did differently than Boosh was too admit to toking without the juvenile lame ass excuse of not inhaling. Even though that would not prevent him from getting high sublingually. The entire campaign the only ones anti drug war were Kucinich and Ron Paul. Even Dobbs rated a D while the three krats all favored a continuation. Coulda woulda shoulda, Obombo has already made 92 Ex orders and nothing concerning Ganja. Klintoon pardoned scores of people leaving office and not many were for growing pot. The sorry part of this is since the git go Obombo has had more cut throats lie about him on fox. More Neocons road blocking anything he has tried to get done. Neocon republicans coming out of the woodwork to question everything about the guy including his god damn birth certificate. While all of his supporters stood by and the krat politicians hid under blankets. I wouldn’t blame him if he told the entire party to shove it up their collective asses. Now the buyers clubs whine that he is another Boosh? He never killed 4000 Americans on a lie. He never tortured anyone. His daddy didn’t buy him a governorship or have his delay thugs pound on walls untill the recount stopped. He didn’t give no bid contracts to his cronies for two trillion dollars. He never held secret oil meetings behind closed doors or refused even after a court said he had to disclose the information. Like I said this was about one accusation that I feel is wrongly given to Obombo, not that he is a reformers wet dream. But get a grip people. Obombo ain’t no Boosh. He’s the only viable candidate considering the field. Nadar and Johnson and Paul can do a heap of edukatin but they haven’t much of a chance of getting on the ticket so the point about them is really moot. It’s between the neocons and Obombo and anyone choosing a Neocon can just forget about being taken serious as a reformer. Or an American.

        As far as your assumption that the President has special powers over Congress I suggest you get him a cape to go with that fantasy. Only during war does the president have any power. As I showed you, Lincoln couldn’t even free the slaves. There are many things Paul A mentioned that he could do but not anything he is inclined to do. Yes if Obombo wants to destroy his political career he could try pardoning everyone they bust. Or give an executive order to not enforce what he was elected and has sworn to uphold. But then what happens when another minority wants special privileges? The militias want auto weapons or anthrax, should he grant them their wishes? Or since he did wouldn’t that free up the neocons to take short cuts? Silly to think any politician has the ethics to do what is right over the entire governments agenda to maintain what’s wrong. Maybe the majority of anti choice want an order to overturn RvW. Or another police action in Mexico. The forefathers limited the presidents power for good reasons. You can’t trust a human with power. Checks and balances are for our protection while the teabog dipshits want them removed for easier profits. We don’t need Obombo, we need some guts to stand up to the moneysluts and boycott their products and piss tasting practices. Money is the only language a Moneyslut understands. If we make it too expensive or remove some of the profit margin all that is left is rolling the doobies.

        I think I need refs to your claim about absolute power. Being a king is what was originally suggested before the Continental Congress. Then the president was given very limited power, only to expedite the troops if we were attacked. I know the patriot ax has given him some powers to snoop and make cases. But I believe to do what you suggest would take an act of Marshall Law. Or if we were attacked he could fire up the War Powers Act. Odds are about the same as that mosquito flying to the moon with the Washington Monument attached. As for the krats being so timid while the neocons stall obstruct and seem to get what they want. To me it’s like this. Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians and Greens are political parties playing by the rules of engagement and trying to be good compromisers and have a semblance of fairplay. The Neocons are the opposite. They say what you want to hear because the only power there is, is after the election and your side wins. You can’t gut regulations coming in second place because of some dumb notion of honestly. Rumsfeld and Cheney have been working alongside of Boosh Sr since Nixon. Through Reagan and Boosh. Behind the swift-boats, the rescue sabotage and escaping justice with Iran Contra and now Iraq. This is not political, its fascism. Corporations run the drug war and the dung worrier politicians get elected from corporate money buying their seats. I think we need to put aside our petty differences long enough to elect a real person with real integrity to cut the shit. My first choice would be Nadar, then Kucinich and then Ron Paul and Gary Johnson after that. Without solidarity the Obombo camp will probably win barring any monkey wrenches. Second term he might see the good in removing the bad law. But at any rate he’s a lesser evil than anything else other than what I listed.

        Neocon Teabogs Really Are “Bloodlusting Terrorists”
        How Neo-Cons, Neo-Nazis And Neo-McVeighs
        Crashed Ron Paul’s Tea Party

        The Tea Party, which started off as a Libertarian protest against taxes and government, has turned into a right wing, corporate sponsored, racist hate-fest. Three groups have joined the Libertarian founders of the Tea Party movement to add money, racism, hatred and conspiracy theory based paranoia to the Tea Pot.

        Are the Teabogs Traitors, Serving a Southern Neoconfederacy?

        Neocons are Democrats against the anti war movement, Dixiekrats against the Civil Rights Act and then in the 80’s teamed with Reagan’s trickle down voodoo economic and log cabin gays. All against reform of the drug war. All pro imperialism. About as Anti American as one can get. The recent sham was hoodwinking Ron Paul supporters to join into the Perry Balkman Paline neocon whacko’s.

        I used to eat at a Krishna Temple in SF in 71, if memory serves. late 80’s I took a few Krishna’s on my bus after the FBI raided a Rainbow Gathering. One was a cook with a complete set of big pots and woks to feed large groups. Never got into their trip though. Good food, but I’m not a vegan.

        There were NO Communists in Russia the same as there are NO Communists in China or Cuba. They run on dictators. Nothing communal about them. A buzzword for the Morphine Weasel McCarthy. Jesus was Communal, Stephen Gaskin is communal. Ashrams and Communes are somewhat communal. But not the Ruskies. They’re just plain old fascists, same as the Germans under Hitler and the Italians under Mussolini.

        Naha’s Prescription for Bloated Police Budges

        Incredibly, a famous study which found that cannabis reduces tumors (see Chapter 7), was originally ordered by the Federal Government on the premise that pot would hurt the immune system. This was based on the “Reefer Madness” studies done by the disreputable Dr. Gabriel Nahas of Columbia University in 1972.

        This is the same Dr. Nahas who claimed his studies showed pot created chromosome, testosterone (male hormone) damage, and countless other horrible effects which suggested the breaking down of the immune system. Nahas’ background is in the OSS/CIA and later the U.S. where he worked closely with Lyndon LaRouche and Kurt Waldheim.

        In order for America to be marijuana free, all of us, smokers and non-smokers alike, will have to give up our Bill of Rights forever! You will have to conform to the likes of Lyndon LaRouche, Jerry Falwell, Nancy Reagan, Edwin Meese, William Bennett, Gen. Barry McCaffrey, and minds of that ridiculous ilk. Each, in their smug ignorance, contributing to the permanent poisoning of the Earth while trying with all their might to completely annihilate the one thing that can save us: hemp.

        Some radio and television preachers have added to the hysteria by calling rock music “satanic and voodoo” and associating it with the drug culture. They want to outlaw rock, burn albums and books, and lock up everyone who doesn’t agree with them. So does Carlton Turner. So does Lyndon LaRouche. So does William Bennet. So does Lee Brown. So does General Barry McCaffrey.

      • Duncan20903

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      • darkcycle

        ..one little executive order and *poof* Bush: Eliminated Habeas Corpus. One little executive order from him and we torture and kidnap and hold without trial. One little executive order and we engage in the most sweeping illegal surveillance of the people of this country ever conceived.
        “But..but..but..”you sputter…”he hasn’t got the power….”
        Wake up. You are lost in “Normalcy Bias”. This is a cartoon parody of that world we once knew. An absurd situation where the only real remaining resemblance to that other world is superficial. SEEMS like the same place….your car keys are right where you left them. But that’s only an illusion. This is fascism. In fascism, the fascists make any rules that please them. And the headman could make Cannabis legal right now simply by saying the right words.

      • Duncan20903

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  • BluOx

    I should again vote for Obama because…? Is it that he’s the better of all the other turds and SCOTUS appointments are due to come up? He sure needs to change that old slogan next time, because I’ve given up on the “hope/change” thingy. Lets throw out the bums and elect new bums… right? I better go burn one.

  • Shap

    I don’t get it, who are you referring to as Mr. Bush the lesser? If you’re talking about Barry’s administration, then I would wholeheartedly agree: expansion of wars, expanding the role of the federal government (healthcare law, FinReg), spending way beyond what the federal government takes in, further trashing the fourth amendment by renewing the patriot act, Did I forget any other similarities between Bush and Barry? Barry is doing a great job of mimicking what a less christian version of Bush’s 3rd term would look like.

    • Duncan20903

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      With two presidents named George Bush one must differentiate to avoid confusion. Many people recognize George Bush the 41st as the one term POTUS from 1989-1993 and George Bush the lesser as the POTUS from 2001-2009. Gosh, one can see there’s confusion even when they’re differentiated from your post. Think how much confusion would happen if we didn’t differentiate? GB the 41st may have been every bit of the dastard that he’s commonly presented but at least he had an IQ.

      Keep on rockin’ in the free world!

    • Duncan20903

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      BTW Shap, while I do recognize you as a troll that posts here from time to time it just struck me that you might also be one of the clowns that believes that all potheads/friends of freedom are Democrats. You are sorely mistaken if you think that I’m a liberal. You also must think people are idiots if they’re going to let you rewrite the history of the imminent collapse of our economy to blame Mr. Obama. While it’s very possible that Mr. Obama will end up getting Hoovered it won’t be because the main stream media has a monopoly on disseminating the news like they did in 1931-1932. Our financial calamity was set in motion by Mr. Clinton, and also required the gross incompetence/crony capitalism of Mr. Bush the lesser’s administration. It took the efforts of both to bring our economy to its knees. By the time Mr. Obama took office in December of 2008 it was a done deal, just like the crash of 1929 was unavoidable when Mr. Hoover took office that same year.

      I reiterate, if you think I’m a partisan Democrat, you’re as crazy as bat shit.

      On August 15, 2011 at 11:49 am Duncan20903 said:

      “The Republicans would practically have to nominate the Koch Brothers/Satan himself to see me seriously consider voting for shithead Obama next year.”

      http://www.drugwarrant.com/2011/08/weekend-thread-2/comment-page-1/#comment-87261

      Toodles!