Just to clarify, the federal government cannot go after everyone, so it helps to know where you stand if you’re thinking about breaking federal law.
- For those involved in ordering torture, approving it, and even for the vast majority of those who committed brutal torture that went all the way to murder, they are now permanently and fully immunized by the Department of Justice from any form of criminal investigation and prosecution.
- For those involved in supplying marijuana for sick people in full compliance with state law, they are “subject to federal enforcement action, including potential prosecution,” including civil or criminal action, and utilization of federal money laundering statutes and other federal financial laws.
The State is above the law.
It seems the recent “clarification” from the President that moved medical mj enforcement to a top priority really touched a nerve around here. 73 comments in that thread so far!
It’s hard to applaud the president with his knife sticking out of your back. If anyone here is voting Democrat for the sole reason they’ll be better on the drug issue, wake up. They’re the worst.
California is 100% owned and operated by the Democrats, and has been for years. They have the largest prison population in the country, and America has the largest prison population in world by all measures. That makes California the number one jailer in the world, courtesy of Democratic votes and politics.
Paul that has to be one of the most ignorant statement’s on this board. Lesser evils are lesser for a reason. To compare the leading state in cannabis tolerance or needle exchanges or research with the draconian moneysluts in the red states shows your bias. Again Obombo said he wouldn’t waste money busting individuals following state laws. He hasn’t. Buyers clubs have nothing to do with Prop 215. They are a convenience for seniors and unconnected patients and users, but they are not sanctioned by the Compassionate Use Act. So going off in a tantrum in the wrong direction is something drunks do. Boosh was the biggest Liberal in History, get the fuck over it…
Georgia
Drugged driving: This state has a zero tolerance per se drugged driving law enacted. In their strictest form, these laws forbid drivers from operating a motor vehicle if they have any detectable level of an illicit drug or drug metabolite (i.e., compounds produced from chemical changes of a drug in the body, but not necessarily psychoactive themselves) present in their bodily fluids. For more information, see NORML’s Drugged Driving (DUID) report.
Do We Really Want Bennett & Califano On American Soil?
U.S. Marijuana Laws
Dash Hemp Clothing for Life.
Most Republicans and Democrats would have the same policy – enforce the CSA but maybe don’t go after cancer patients unless you really have nothing better to do. I don’t think the libertarian-minded politicians who would do something different are confined to the Republican party. Barney Frank seems to be one example.
Each party takes  some libertarian positions and opposes others. The Democratic support for abortion rights is a pretty radical libertarian position, and the same goes for gun rights on the Republican side. Drug rights are up for grabs; it remains to be seen which party will take up some form of that position. Will it just be “legalize marijuana,” or something broader like “dismantle the DEA”? I’d be disappointed if that ends up being a Republican position that the Democrats oppose.
So sad how the Obama admin. has become…never expected it.
Yep, just about says it all. Torture and war crimes? pass….crash the economy and steal billions?…pass…provide relief to the sick and ease the pain of the dieing?….hands behind your back, pothead, you’re going to jail.
No doubt that this government is criminal and illegitimate. This is a spilling point. In the words of my friend Lou: I can’t tell you what will happen next, but I think I can safely say that it won’t be boring.
Please tell your dear friend, Lou, that his thoughts are shared by some of the greatest minds on the planet.
Well, in my book, Lou IS one of the “greatest minds on the planet”. Ensconced on a lonely mountainside in Granite Falls lives a great sage….though I would advise truth seekers to avoid that hillside. He eats pilgrims.
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In the “I learn something new every day whether I like it or not” file, the Los Angeles Times published a screed which was nominally about cannabis addled driving. They informed us of the fact that impaired potheads are easy to identify because they’re the ones with a green tongue. God damn it, as if worrying about growing man teats wasn’t enough of a burden now I have to worry about my tongue turning green.
I bullshit you not.
Jesus. It’s a bloody witch hunt.
Yes, this particluar pile of horseshit seems to be making the rounds of various Tribune Company newsrags.
Medical marijuana is turning our highways into slaughterhouses! (Yet somehow medical marijuana states seem to have fewer traffic fatalites than non-medical mj states. As do states with above-average rates of marijuana use).
Anyone in need of hard data with which to skewer this phantom menace can find it here:
Traffic fatality rates: http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/States/StatesFatalitiesFatalityRates.aspx
2008 State marijuana use rates:http://oas.samhsa.gov/2k8State/AppB.htm#TabB-3
Oligarchs only suffer consequences when they happen to inflict harm on their brethren (as with Madoff).
California has the most buyers clubs and the only initiative giving the people final say. Neocons have eaten the GOP like a bowl of mush. Blue dog democrats and appeasers are also courted by the Koch roaches for profit prisons and the Dick Armey of Wall St corporations benefitting from keeping Ganja and Hemp out of the Free Market. Your silly blame game only diverts from reality and your paranoia of Obombo just shows weakness.
Ah Golly Geepers it sure sounds like F-A-S-C-I-S-M to me…
If they started busting Presidents for torture it might spread to the lower ranks.
Bush Crimes Against Humanity
Bush Crime Family
Busht Cheneynagans D.E.A.th & Oil
Domestic Tortures Still OK
“Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of man, that state is obsolete.” -TZ
To me, the worst thing about this other than the fact that US citizens promoted and used torture in direct contravention to the UN Convention Against Torture (of which the USA is a signatory) is that the failure to prosecute i.e. the whitewash, makes the Obama administration complicit in torture.. which is also a crime! They should all be pulled up in front of the international court!
All this to protect a few elites (whilst the grunts, get all the punishment – not that they didn’t deserve it). So every time “we are bound by international conventions” crops up regarding drug policy they should add ‘when it suits us and our interests’. It is an utter disgrace, if the USA had any credibility left in the world (especially as they tout themselves as the bastions of ‘freedom and democracy’), this action removes the remaining shreds… It is beyond criminal…
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Oh my god! They were right, I looked at my tongue this morning and it’s bright green! See for yourselves, I took a picture!!
On a more serious note the thought struck me that cops who make traffic stops would have significantly increased instances of meeting people who had just eaten their headstash. Perhaps it’s chewing and swallowing fresh reefer that makes our tongues turn green?
I swear I just can’t get over this shit. Back in the ’70s it was ‘public knowledge’ that cannabis caused extreme dilation of the pupils. I’ve no clue where they got that notion but they seemed pretty certain of themselves when they decided someone wasn’t high because the driver’s didn’t have that look in their eyes like black holes in the sky.
Heck, even eyes being bloodshot is a sure thing. My eyes do not do that as a consequence of enjoying cannabis. Now this one I know is generally true and that I’m a lucky guy since I don’t have to spend money on Visine.
Man teats, green tongues, extremely dilated pupils, it’s no wonder nobody ever gets popped for cannabis addled driving.
Just for fun we should pop a green jolly rancher into our mouths as we get pulled over!
Kinda hard to use the ‘green tongue’ as probable cause then.
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Holy cow, this green tongue thing isn’t a isolated instance of an idiot cop regurgitating nonsense. It’s no blessed wonder that cannabis law reform is such a chore. We’re trying to reason with gibbering lunatics, many of them getting by in life without benefit of a working brain.
There is a picture of a very suspicious green tongued person in the article that I’ve linked below.
Hey that was published on March 17, probably the one day of the year with the highest incidence of people with green tongues.
I really do feel like I may turn a corner and run into Rod Serling.
If Montana is an example of whats to come for the other 13 states, the country is in bigger trouble than anyone currently imagines.
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It ain’t over until it’s over. The enemies of freedom in the Montana legislature made a really, really bad bet and they’re going to get spanked. Those guys should stay out of casinos.
In Montana the residents can sign a petition and SB 423 gets suspended until Election Day 2012. The petitioners need to get less signatures than the total number of patients and caregivers.
Polls throughout the controversy said that support for the medicinal cannabis patient protection law is still pushing 70% as long as reasonable regulations are implemented. Support for the law that was implemented by ballot initiative as it was written in 2004 was just barely over 10%.
So wow, do you think it can’t happen? In 1997 the Oregon legislature passed a law repealing Oregon’s 1973 landmark decrim of petty possession. The people didn’t like that and in 1998 there was an up or down ballot question and the cannabis decrim law was reinstated by a margin of better 2:1.
In 1996 Arizona voters approved a medicinal cannabis patient protection law. Needing only a simple majority the Arizona legislature overturned the 1996 initiative. In 1998 Arizona voters approved a ballot initiative and now it takes a 75% supermajority for the legislature to do that.
I’m predicting that not only will SB 423 be suspended, a medicinal cannabis patient protection law much closer to the 2004 law than to SB 423 will be voted in on Election Day 2012. The idiots in the legislature could have negotiated in good faith and implemented reasonable regulations but they were bound and determined to repeal the 2004 law. They didn’t have the political capital to pass a total repeal law, so they put lipstick on their repeal pig and passed repeal dressed in patient protection drag.
Geez, isn’t Montana one of those States which have a high concentration of militia nut cakes who hate the Federal government, refuse to pay income tax, and drive getaway cars without license plates after they blow up a Federal government office building? For some unknown reason I don’t think such people would be happy that the legislature overturned the will of the people. I think it’s a pretty good bet that future Montana legislature will require a supermajority to muck with laws passed by ballot initiative.
Oh, and let’s not forget that Montana was the State which incubated the unabomber. No, that doesn’t have much if anything to do with this issue but sometimes gratuitous insults give me a warm fuzzy.
Jeez, give us a little slack! We will overturn this monstrosity. What happens is these Aryan nation/Militia types come up here to hide out not realizing that in a state with less than a million people when you move into some small town within 72 hrs everybody in town knows all your business. After all, we have called Missoula “Woodstock, Montana” for years, there are a lot more liberals here than most people think. We sent a Socialist to Congress in the 20’s or 30’s.
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Gosh Bob, I thought that my opinion in my post previous to yours showed an near expectation that Montanans are going to kick SB-423 to the curb.
Don’t forget to get that law that allowed the Know Nothing legislators to implement this nonsense with a simple majority changed so a supermajority is required, just like the voters of Arizona did in 1998. May I suggest going with the same 75% that the Arizonians settled for? This one is actually a bit more important than getting SB-420 overturned because this 50%+1 flapdoodle can be used on any law which Montanans vote into or out of existence.
In Fiji they literally give potheads a spanking. In Montana, it’s the potheads that spank the lawmakers.
Toodles!
And why didn’t G.W. Bush go to Switzerland? He was afraid he would be tried on torture crimes. WOW!.
International law kicks in once a country proves itself so gutless or corrupt that it can no longer police its own government officials.
The torture issue and the recent Holder MMJ memo deserve a major counteroffensive. Drug law reform needs to be competing on an international playing field, targeting prohibitionism for judicial theater and whatever else it can get. The legal tactic would supplement and speed up grass roots efforts in individual countries.
A lawsuit in an international court alleging U.S. crimes against humanity would force a critical, judicial examination of U.S. and international tactics in the drug war, for the first time ever. And it’s not like there isn’t enough evidence for a favorable decision on behalf of reformers.
Conveniently enough, the ICC definition of crimes against humanity is relevant:
From Wiki : “Crimes against humanity, as defined by the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court Explanatory Memorandum, “are particularly odious offences in that they constitute a serious attack on human dignity or grave humiliation or a degradation of one or more human beings. They are not isolated or sporadic events, but are part either of a government policy (although the perpetrators need not identify themselves with this policy) or of a wide practice of atrocities tolerated or condoned by a government or a de facto authority. Murder; extermination; torture; rape; political, racial, or religious persecution and other inhumane acts reach the threshold of crimes against humanity only if they are part of a widespread or systematic practice.â€
A charge of crimes against humanity is normally handled by the International Criminal Court (ICC). The ICC is distinct from the International Court of Justice ( ICJ ), also headquartered in The Hague, which handles disputes between nations. Nearly anyone can file suit in the ICC.
A lawsuit accusing a prohibitionist nation with being a progenitor of human degradation can be filed in the ICJ by another country. President Evo Morales’ Bolivia, whose country just withdrew from the Single Treaty, would certainly qualify as a legitimate plaintiff. A lawsuit in the ICJ would be an excellent way for President Morales to go on the offensive if he gets any grief from the U.S., or anyone else, for wisely dismissing a shortsighted and blood-spattered drug treaty. Another possibility for a litigant might be President Calderon of Mexico. Border problems can and have been resolved in the ICJ.
The problem with filing with the ICC is the U.S. isn’t a signatory of the ICC, so it and its corrupt officials currently avoid ICC jurisdiction, as long as they remain on U.S territory. Bush feared being busted for war crimes; in fact, he openly admitted his fear before anyone knew how bad things were going to get. So Bush refused to let the U.S. support the ICC. And so it remains.
The international criminal court issue is one more embarrassment from the Bush era that Obama has let slide. Few things will irritate the feds more than millions of Americans reviving a largely forgotten issue and demanding juridical acceptance of the ICC. Which is why I think now is the time for Americans who care about drug law reform to unite and challenge the federal government to sign onto the ICC.
And the debate rages on.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2011/07/debate-rages-over-how-much-pot-smoking-impairs-driving/1
I love the U.S. The govt of the U.S. should be used to wipe the ass of the earth and discarded in proper receptacle.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/americas/07/04/mexico.arrest/
Made some of my first attempts at injecting reason into the minds of the idiots on CNN. Tell me, why do people think that the problem could be solved if there were zero drug consumers in the United States? It’s a fantasy scenario with zero chance of ever happening. It’s about as believable as the movie “invention of lying” where lying does not exist.
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It’s especially looney when you factor in that drinking alcohol gets a free pass.
Don’t let the idiots annoy you. It isn’t about getting them to change their position or belief because if not actually impossible it’s an extreme waste of political capital. I’m always reminding myself that I’m speaking to those that are sitting on or very close to the fence and that actually have some brain activity. Don’t ever expect to figure out how the Know Nothing standard bearers think. But if you do happen across that please make the effort to ‘splain it to me because the cognitive dissonance they cause me is highly annoying.
Great minds think alike!
http://the420times.com/2011/06/department-of-justice-torture-ok-but-not-mmj/
Nugs and hugs!