Marijuana causes the universe to explode

“Tobacco is a product that does a lot of damage — marijuana is infinitely worse”

This is my new favorite quote.

‘Marijuana is infinitely worse’ than tobacco, Harper says as he encourages pot debate to go up in smoke

Marijuana is “infinitely worse” than tobacco and its use should be widely discouraged in Canada, Conservative Leader Stephen Harper says.

Harper goes all in on this one. I mean, it takes some real intentional avoidance of fact to claim that marijuana is worse than tobacco to begin with. It would be really ballsy to try to claim that it was twice as bad as tobacco. It would be unthinkable to claim that it’s 1,000 times worse than tobacco – since tobacco causes about 6 million deaths per year worldwide, that would mean that marijuana would cause 6 billion deaths annually, completely eliminating the world’s population in less than 2 years.

But to reach infinitely worse? That would require complete destruction of the universe and much more.

That’s what Harper is claiming.

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77 Responses to Marijuana causes the universe to explode

  1. kaptinemo says:

    Canadians might want to google Harper 2003 Versailles France to see why Stevie is down on cannabis. Or more correctly, google it to see which banking interests that own him are down on cannabis.

    At the core, this is what has always been behind prohibition. To paraphrase an old TV commercial from the 1970’s, “they make money the old fashioned way; they launder it.”

  2. kaptinemo says:

    Harper’s hyperbole is just more evidence of prohib desperation. The more they are backed into a corner, the nuttier they’ll sound.

    And they are still a few feet from the wall behind them, so we can expect to hear some real doozies before too long as they run out of wiggle room.

  3. n.t.greene says:

    If they must be desperate, they should at least try to be mathematically literate.

    Oh wait, mathematical illiteracy is key to the continuation of prohibition as is — once you actually run the numbers, the decision becomes much clearer. Even in worst case scenarios, you can legalize all drugs and not bring the world to a grinding halt. Probably because the illegality of drugs worldwide has done relatively little to stop the market from existing.

    Every vote against a legal framework is functionally a vote for the current market environment. Good job prohibitionists — crack is but modern day moonshine, the cartels your Capones.

    • kaptinemo says:

      Numbers. The prohibs love to play with numbers. I don’t know if any of them ever read Alice in Wonderland, but most prohib’s attitude toward facts is the same as Humpty Dumpty’s:

      “‘When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’

      ‘The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’

      ‘The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.’

      Prohibs have been able to get away with the same kind of dynamic for so long they thought it was a natural law, and now that the political cover that allowed for that is eroding fast, they’re not able to shift gears from the end of prohibition being ‘impossible’ to being ‘improbable’ to ‘IS HAPPENING‘.

      • Duncan20903 says:


        I’m still looking for an answer to the age old question, why in the world would somebody enlist a horse in an effort to reconstitute a broken egg? ‘Splain it to me, I’m begging you!

      • DdC says:

        Kap, Humpty Dumpty Was A Cannon, Not An Egg. You might think that the main character of the classic children’s nursery rhyme “Humpty Dumpty” is an egg. However, historical evidence actually suggests that Humpty Dumpty was actually a cannon used by the Royalists during the English Civil War.

        Who tried to put Humpty together again?

        The Royalists, or Cavaliers, “all the King’s men”, attempted to raise Humpty Dumpty on to another part of the wall, but because the cannon was so heavy “All the King’s horses and all the King’s men couldn’t put Humpty together again”.

        Luv that google… I didn’t know either. I think ring around the rosy was from the marks of the Black Plague.
        ☛ Origins of Humpty Dumpty
        ☛ Meaning of all the king’s horses

        • darkcycle says:

          Cool. Good to know. Thanks, DdC

        • DdC says:

          Ya DC it was news to me too. Then I found out there really is a mythological egg laying rabbit from southern Germany called an Osterhase. All of this is accepted and told to children. But medicinal cannabis? That’s just too far out.

          According to some sources, the Easter bunny first arrived in America in the 1700s with German immigrants who settled in Pennsylvania and transported their tradition of an egg-laying hare called “Osterhase” or “Oschter Haws.” Their children made nests in which this creature could lay its colored eggs.

        • free radical says:

          All the old fairy tales and nursery rhymes were based on tragic or morbid events. “Rockabye baby” describes a baby falling out of a tree. “Ring around the Rosie” referred to the Black Plague. The line “We all fall down” is short hand for mass deaths.

  4. cy klebs says:

    The article linked to fails to concretely list a single case of lung cancer caused by weed smoke. Or anywhere.

  5. Rockbottom who cares Who's Who says:

    Heh. As Dumb as Bush. Can’t believe it.
    Who would protect a False Canadian Deviant Madman?
    RCMP Security Detail; STAND DOWN

  6. claygooding says:

    Today someone died from heroin,,

    someone died from methamphetamine,,

    someone died from cocaine,,

    someone died from alcohol,,

    someone died from pharmaceuticals,,

    However Today,,

    Cannabis gave someone their life back.

    Blatantly stolen from FB cause I couldn’t find the “I like the shit out of that button”.

  7. Nunavut Tripper says:

    We’re all scared shitless here in Canuckistan that he might weasel his way in again.

    He’ll have us goose stepping if that happens.

  8. Servetus says:

    The Canadian Press journalist’s statements:

    … drug [marijuana] was responsible for lower IQs, a statement derived from two separate studies whose conclusions have since been challenged.


    …psychosis and schizophrenia, but medical research on that is divided as well.

    each betray a lack attention to scientific method.

    The indicated studies aren’t just ‘challenged’, nor the scientific community ‘divided’ on the medical research. The studies were so bad they were D.O.A. Many journalists, and thus much of the public, never understands that in science there exists certainty, and in legitimate peer review and replication of findings there is always to be had a finality to a question. The answer to the question of the NIDA is that NIDA funded researchers kill time by publishing their studies in scientific journals instead of The Onion.

    Believing there is always a conflict in science on a settled topic is anti-science. Something is needed to educate journalists when they write about science, especially when they pontificate on pharmacology. A truth commission might work:

    A truth commission or truth and reconciliation commission is a commission tasked with discovering and revealing past wrongdoing by a government (or, depending on the circumstances, non-state actors also), in the hope of resolving conflict left over from the past. They are, under various names, occasionally set up by states emerging from periods of internal unrest, civil war, or dictatorship.

    • Spirit Wave says:

      Right, and strict precision regarding intake is also required by the scientific method.

      If a study does not scientifically factor intake method (smoking vs. vaporization vs…), amount (hint: joints or such is not a scientific measurement), and the big elephant in the room too often leading to outrageous claims — strain differential (there are hundreds of strains capable of dramatically different results) — then that study is unscientific.

      I haven’t had time to look deep enough, but I assume that no science involving psychological impact meets that requirement, so it’s all junk science deceptively (i.e. in blatant violation of the journalism code of ethics) spread through the mainstream media as otherwise.

    • NorCalNative says:

      Servetus, I’m a big fan of that pointy-head of yours, but I think you must be HIGH.

      A truth commission? What is truth? Facts? Ever hear of Fox News? They’ve got their OWN set of facts, thank-you-very-much, and truth is for hippies.

      Truth would END the American economy as we know it. Big Pharma? Good bye. Big Oil? Good bye. Big Banking? Good bye. Big Media? Good fucking bye.

      Trust in HEMP my literary friend. Truth is the elixir of the god’s and is NO thing for mortals like us.

      However, to your main point. Science is HARD. Therefore religious education shall be the law-of-the-land. Let’s lose those I.Q. points “without” the use of drugs!

      Truth. You’re a funny guy.

      • Servetus says:

        The La Guardia Committee Report on marijuana was a kind of truth commission. That was in 1944, however. A new one might be useful, given what’s now known of the medical properties of cannabinoids. Its members would need to be selected for their objectivity and their scientific expertise, which would exclude anyone from the NIDA, prohibition industry, or clergy. As for truth, I’ve heard there’s some outfit in New Jersey that sells it.

        • NorCalNative says:

          Servetus, sorry to take my cynicism out on your comment.

          Of the regulars here you might appreciate my plight more than most. I’m re-reading a 3-volume set on the Crusades by Sir Steven Runciman.

          The bloody-and-violent nature of the Christian history gets me agitated. Really agitated.

          I think I may need rehab. Rehab for cynics.

        • Servetus says:

          I feel your pain, NorCal. I felt it studying inquisitions and witch hunts. I encountered things so utterly stupid and vile it forced me to put the book down until I could walk it off. Not even drugs can prepare you for what you learn from history. If any of it resembles what’s happening today, it’s worse.

        • primus says:

          I began watching the series running on Youtube about the first world war. What struck me most was the utter stupidity of the commanders and politicians, who sent conscripted ‘soldiers’ with no training, no winter gear, boots with cardboard soles, sent them to freeze in the snow, never having even encountered the ‘enemy’. It was necessary for me to stop watching because it is so upsetting–the waste of lives, the stupid public posturing, the fact that it was all so unnecessary. Much like the present ‘drug war’ which is doing much the same during what is ostensibly ‘peacetime’. Makes me puke.

        • kaptinemo says:

          I consider ‘cynical’ to be synonymous with ‘aware’.

          It is the natural result of being forced to try to juxtapose the personal ‘angels of our better nature’ with the realities of so many powerful individuals throughout History (and too many of our leaders today) seeming to lack them…with the result that so many names from History scribed their legacies in blood.

          Few names from History are remembered for their ‘better natures’. Almost every educated person in the world knows who Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Tojo, Mussolini and Mao were, and not for good reasons.

          If you don’t develop a veneer of off-color humor to defend your psyche from the madness of Human history, you’ll go insane, yourself.

      • N.T. Greene says:

        Orwell’s Ministry of Truth was dedicated to lies and misinformation, IIRC.

    • Tony Aroma says:

      in science there exists certainty, and in legitimate peer review and replication of findings there is always to be had a finality to a question.

  9. DdC says:

    NIDA’s Nutty Nora’s Tax Paid Gossip (igNORAnce)
    Volkow and the Dalai Lama
    Volkow’s Vengeance on Americans, Trotsky Fanaticism

    NIDA wants kids smoking Cigarettes, not Cannabis
    I don’t like to say one drug is better or worse than another; each must be viewed within its own context. Tobacco is clearly the number one killer among drugs. On the other hand, when you smoke a cigarette, it doesn’t impair your brain’s cognitive capacity. That’s very different from drinking alcohol or smoking marijuana.

    I don’t like to say one drug is better or worse than another; each must be viewed within its own context. Tobacco is clearly the number one killer among drugs.

    From “cigarettes” to tobacco, without the flame retardants and pesticides etc.+ 100s more never mentioned. Ok Nora roll the adulterants up and suck them all into your lungs straight up, without tobacco. Yea, nothing eh? Swindler.

    On the other hand, when you smoke a cigarette, it doesn’t impair your brain’s cognitive capacity. That’s very different from drinking alcohol or smoking marijuana.

    Flim Flam: Yes Nora, it is different, as are oak leaves and plastic tiny umbrellas you must be collecting. On what other hand, other than #1 Killer?

    Note how slimy she is wanting us to believe she is indicating cannabis impairments. When all she actual says is tobacco doesn’t impair.

    Then she only says it is different from alcohol or smoking “marijuana“. A Scientist spewing derogatory terms? Is that a loophole?

    She knows full well she can’t connect impairment with cannabis. She knows all of the yellow journalism surrounding her words only make unsubstantiated assumptions. She is careful not to become a liability legally. In stating absolutes without Science backing it. That is most of the Ganjawar. Suckers born every minute. So filled with fear it comes easy to only hear what they want. A lie, just not a legal lie. Like Clinton not having sexual relations defined as intercourse, not BJ’s, an abomination. Slick.

    Drug Warthogs get their quarter peep show entertainment. NIDA gets a billion dollar budget. DEA kills pain relief. Cannabis side effects, laughing, smiling sometimes giggling. Hunger, thirst, rock and roll, rap, leading to classical. Adverse effects for plastic people skills, blind obedience and lapdog behavior. The antidote is strong coffee. I find it adds to the buzz. Don’t be a Dowd.

    • kaptinemo says:

      Nora and Co.’s backsides just got closer to those corner walls I mentioned.

      She’s really on thin ice, here. The harms associated with adulterated tobacco are well known. As is the lack of harms attributed to cannabis, re: Tashkin.

      Tashkin also included those who mix tobacco with cannabis, and found that the lungs of those who did were apparently protected by the cannabis.

      Nora’s feeling the pressure from reform, too. The ‘science’ part of the prohib ‘marriage’ is starting to sound as ignorant and crazed as the LE part.

  10. Mr_Alex says:

    Just letting everyone know Auntie Cannabis is Anti Pot on facebook is run by Harold Patin an ex-DEA agent on Facebook

    • kaptinemo says:

      Patin’s LinkedIn Page.

      The photo says it all. Tail end of the cohort that trashed our rights to ‘save the cheeeeldren’ from the Devil’s weed, and made it possible for cops to point their guns at people with impunity, courtesy of the DrugWar. Judging from his published papers, he’s also another urine fetishist; he wants your pee-pee.

      When you google the title of his anti-cannabis harangue, Marijuana: The good, the bad, and the ugly, the first thing you see is this: Marijuana: The good, the bad, and the ugly. On a page for Big Pharma distributors, of course.

      Prohibs are not terribly creative, except in their desire to cause others to suffer. Can’t even come up with an original title.

      But a look at the page reveals some prohib heavy hitters, like Jim McDonough, the Fungus Man who wanted to introduce a very dangerous anti-cannabis fungus with proven mutational factors into the biosphere, first in Florida, then the world. The potential to wipe out food crops across the planet courtesy of that mutability was, is and remains a threat to Humanity.

      Clearly, as are prohibs.

      • jean valjean says:

        It’s a shame when he visited Israel with a “specialized group, [and] met with Israel IDF & Police officials to learn and observe first hand Israeli experiences & tactics,” (which I suspect was not unconnected with the militarization of US policing) he didn’t also visit Israeli hospitals and clinics where cannabis has been proven time and again to be the most effective treatment for PTSD.

  11. NotThatYouAlreadyDidn'tKnow says:

    And a kindly reminder concerning the grand leader of S.A.M Oregon, Randy Philbrick. When he’s not advocating for the arrest of cannabis consumers, he’s a pizza delivery driver.

    “I wonder how many of his customers know this as they tip him for bringing that munchie-soothing pie? Does he call the cops when he smells weed wafting out of the front door?” —Jean Valjean

    • Mr_Alex says:

      He’ll be out of business soon

    • allan says:

      I don’t even want to touch LinkedIn, tell me he delivers in Portland – or Eugene!

        • kaptinemo says:

          Well, now any cannabists who reside there and read this knows. ‘May the word go forth’.

          If they ordered pizzas from his store before, I doubt they will now. His competitors might enjoy increased business.

          Ain’t nothin’ like the ‘free market’, huh?

        • allan says:

          the word has been passed! Thanks jean.

        • Mr_Alex says:

          If I was in troutdale, I’ll just take my business to Subway and order 2 foot or even 4 foot sandwiches

        • kaptinemo says:

          In the final analysis, the prohib is dependent upon our money, courtesy of taxes, to survive. Salaries, equipment, etc. all supplied by us. Our money used against us.

          But population-wise, we outnumber them tens of thousands to one. And our ‘disposable income’, when used as suggested, makes it very clear to proprietors that whatever support they publicly gave prohibition will cost them economically.

          And as recent events are showing in CO and WA, when the money talks, the prohib BS walks.

          Prohibs have platitudes.

          Cannabists have cash.

          Let’s see how willing shopkeepers are to mouth those platitudes as their earnings dwindle. In these hard economic circumstances, we may expect to see mass satoris about the desirability of cannabis law reform amongst its former, benighted commercial supporters. (And imagine the effect that will have on testing.)

          It’s that, or join the line stretching around two corners of the Unemployment building.

    • Plant Down Babylon says:

      Order a pizza, and when he knocks, have a minimum of 5 of you (friends) take GIANT bong rips and all blow it right in his face when you open the door.

      Who knows? You might fix his anti ‘problem’. He may turn to the ‘dark side’.

  12. jean valjean says:

    The Daily Mail (yes, I know) has a long piece on the 14 year confinement and torture of Shaker Aamer in Gitmo and during his rendition. He is repeatedly beaten while restrained as guards shout “Stop resisting!” The whole account is extremely disturbing including the obvious conclusion that shouting “stop resisting” at an unconscious or handcuffed victim is now standard procedure for many US police departments. (See endless videos of this happening… just google “stop resisting”).

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  14. Tony Aroma says:

    in science there exists certainty, and in legitimate peer review and replication of findings there is always to be had a finality to a question.

    The scientific method is NOT about facts or certainty or truth. It’s about asking questions, collecting data to try to answer those questions, then subjecting the data to statistical analyses. The best you can hope for using the scientific method is to say that the data support your hypothesis beyond a reasonable doubt. Statistical analyses tell you how likely your results support your hypothesis, nothing more. Generally, the level of certainty is 0.01 or 0.001, which means your conclusion could be wrong 1 out of 100 or 1 out of 1000 times. If you want certainty or “truth,” that’s what religion is for.

    Sorry, part of this got posted twice.

  15. allan says:

    Ellen F. Rosenblum, the Attorney General for the people of Oregon, along with the WA A.G., has filed this response, to protect our right to pass laws considering the legal use and regulation of marijuana.


    • kaptinemo says:

      It is interesting to note that in the brief there is little or no mention of the fact that the citizens of the respective ‘green’ States exercised their sovereign franchise as citizens and voted to change the laws.

      And that they’d be pissed and likely revolt if that sovereign franchise was nullified courtesy of any fiat by the SC.

      Officially tell me my vote doesn’t count, and you remove all restraint from me to ensure that it does. For such a fiat says that all pretenses of democracy have been jettisoned from the political system, and it’s tyranny uber alles.

      Then it becomes time to nourish that famous Tree of Liberty. Because the gloves will have come off, the mask fallen away, and the jackboots will be marching in formation, in freedom’s direction.

  16. NineYearsWasEnough says:

    Just 14 days to go!

    “Voters were asked: “If a federal election were held today, please rank your top two current local voting preferences?”

    The latest numbers released on Oct. 5 show:

    The Liberals are at 35.6 per cent support nationally
    The Conservatives are at 31.0 per cent support
    The NDP is at 22.8 per cent support
    The Green Party is at 4.7 per cent support

    The margin of error among the 1,071 decided voters is considered ±3.0 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.

    • Nunavut Tripper says:

      I always love the ” I’ve never tried it and never will ” line of BS. It means “I’m an authority on marijuana because I’ve never used it “.

      Their logic escapes me somehow.

      Meanwhile over on Stop Pot 2016 they are jumping on the Steven Harper ” infinite ” quote.


      • Mr_Alex says:

        Bridget Klotz is so predictable, when I told her total defeat has arrived on her, she just became a Nancy Grace type LOL

      • kaptinemo says:

        As the old British saying goes, “If you want to get to the fruit of the tree, you have to go out on a limb.”

        The prohibs climbed the trunk and have finally reached the end of the limb, stretching, reeeeeeaching for the illusory prize, as the weight of all their lies and deceptions cause the branch to crack under them.

        How long before the fall? Maybe a year, as the candidates have been shown that they can no longer dodge the re-legalization question. It’s front-and-center, in-their-face, no squirming allowed or they get bookered like Kevvie was.

        I can hear each tiny strain crack of the branch. And we reformers have saws sharpened from decades of being subject to prohib ‘tender mercies’.

        Between the weight of their lies and our activism, that branch won’t last long, and neither will their power base. it’s being exposed as their faux moral camouflage erodes away to show the ‘man behind the curtain’ is a self-serving mercenary SOB who is totally outnumbered in every sphere of influence.

        And, as had been said here before, the economy is our greatest ally, as it is as relentless as a Terminator. To paraphrase from the first movie, it cannot be bargained with, it cannot be reasoned with, it cannot be threatened, it cannot be stolen from, it can’t be killed, and it absolutely will not stop, ever, until prohibition is dead. Because we simply cannot pay for it anymore.

        • Mr_Alex says:

          Updated news, Bridget Klotz has threatened a mate of mine who lives in Colorado with a lawsuit, these prohibs, oh boy

  17. Mr_Alex says:

    I am now proposing that Cannabis Activism enter the gaming world, in a game called World of Warships which I have played for a year, I have decided to start a group called NORML/MPP which will be a pro-cannabis group, time for Cannabis activism to enter the gaming sphere

    • Windy says:

      Actually cannabis activism was quite prevalent in World of Warcraft when I was playing, my adventure partner lived in Georgia and he and I would both get totally stoned before we played, for me it was at 10PM so for him it was 1AM, we’d play for 3-4 hours.

  18. Duncan20903 says:


    Wow, someone has finally figured out that cannabis causes school children to go out driving drunk in the future when they’re full grown adults? I guess it must mean that cannabis is the gateway to drunken driving. Now isn’t that just precious?

    Kids’ feelings about marijuana in sixth grade may predict future risk of drunk driving

    Sometimes I think that the prohibitionists’ hysterical rhetoric is the Chinese food of propaganda…pick one from column A and 2 from column B, mix and match or just pick at random to your hearts content.

    Now let’s look at the fortune cookie! Mmmm…fortune cookies!

    “It’s a free country as long as you do as you’re told.”

    • kaptinemo says:

      I doubt Dr. Who lent them his TARDIS. (BTW, been a Whovian since 1976.) So how do they think they can predict the future based on such slim parameters?

      Every kid learns to have BS detectors when dealing with adults, particularly the ones who can directly punish them. Basic survival mechanism developed while in the clutches of a system not meant to educate but indoctrinate. Because every kid soon learns to provide the ‘required’ answer, not the honest one.

      IF BS is required to make the adult conducting a study to go away, then BS is supplied. Said BS is incorporated into the study as data. Presto! Instant flawed study. It’s another example of Robert Anton Wilson’s SNAFU Principle, where true communication can only take place amongst equals.

      As to how flawed, well, they admit it themselves:

      Those who had warmer, fuzzier ideas about marijuana when they were 12 (in sixth or seventh grade) were 63% more likely than their peers to admit either driving under the influence themselves or to ride with someone who was under the influence, according to the study.

      In addition, 12-year-olds who felt most confident that they could resist marijuana use wound up being 89% more likely to mix alcohol and drugs with cars, motorcycles or other vehicles. This finding surprised the researchers, they wrote.

      By the time the students were 14, some of the risk factors had changed. Those who said they had used alcohol in the last month were more than twice as likely as their peers to drive under the influence or ride with an intoxicated driver two years later.

      Also, those whose friends used marijuana were 2.4 times more likely to be involved in unsafe driving later, and those whose family members used marijuana were 54% more likely to do the same.

      And positive beliefs about marijuana still mattered — 14-year-olds who had them were still 67% more likely to mix alcohol, drugs and motor vehicles at age 16.

      The researchers noted that marijuana has taken on a benign image among middle schoolers “as medical and recreational marijuana legalization increases in our country, adolescents are becoming more accepting of marijuana use,” they wrote. “This highlights the need to address these types of beliefs as early as sixth grade.”

      The researchers were ‘surprised’

      I’m not surprised at all. The kids delivered BS answers to a BS study. The researchers got punk’d. As they usually do.

  19. Servetus says:

    Patrick Kennedy did an interview with CBS’s 60-Minutes Sunday evening.

    Something the Kennedy kids nearly all do, something they’ve done for 50+ years, is garner sympathy for themselves for the tragic assassinations of their fathers or uncles. Sometimes it gets them elected to Congress. This time, Patrick Kennedy went in front of the nation to give his personal sob story about drugs and alcohol, and he involved prohibition advocate Ted Kennedy.

    Patrick should get an Oscar nomination for best portrayal of a man feeling sorry for himself. He sheds Boehner tears. He feels sorry for his parents, Ted & Joan Kennedy, who like many good Irish, drank like fish. Had they all smoked weed instead, things would have turned out better. But, no. They’re Kennedys, so it has to be a tragedy. What’s ironic is that 60 Minutes followed Patrick’s spiel with a story on the Holocaust in Moldava that interviewed witnesses to the killings there, making Patrick’s suffering look trivial, sniveling, and self-centered by comparison, which it was.

    At the end, we see the retired Patrick in his sunny, home-attic-office, pursuing his humanitarian work on behalf of addicts. Hopefully he’s doing something useful. However, in the interview, Patrick never once mentions the ever-unpopular SAM, nor anything about marijuana. Kevin Sabet must be freaking out about the snub.

    The interview is here. You might want to watch it on an empty stomach.

    • kaptinemo says:

      “However, in the interview, Patrick never once mentions the ever-unpopular SAM, nor anything about marijuana. Kevin Sabet must be freaking out about the snub.”

      That was no snub. It was a tactical omission. Stupid Patrick was smart, for once.

      Calling attention to Project SAM is to call attention to their goals, their membership (with it’s self-serving board of directors and their commercial interests in maintaining prohibition) and eventually to their funding sources. That they didn’t do the kind of investigation that would have led to (screamingly obvious) embarrassing questions is proof that 60 Minutes isn’t what it used to be.

  20. PhDScientist says:

    Google Manuel Guzman Nature Reviews Cancer
    Google Tashkin Study

    • NorCalNative says:

      PhD, doubt there’s anyone here NOT familiar with Tashkin.

      We’re kind of an unofficial fan club. Manny sticking needles into glioma tumors? That might be news to some.

      Would love to learn more about CBD and Cytochrome P450 interactions.

      • Duncan20903 says:


        One of my most vivid memories of my life was that day in 2006 when I clicked on the headline reporting the results of his meta-study when he kicked his affiliation with the ONDCP to the curb by publishing results they didn’t like. I must have sat there for at least an hour trying to reconcile the results of that study and my previous certainty that Dr. Tashkin was nothing more than a hack scientist creating research results to order. That was one doozy of a case of cognitive dissonance.

        But it was almost a decade ago. The major reason I think that important is because my dissociation only occurred because I was familiar with his work over the previous decade which had led me to label him a hack scientist. Since 2006 the number of cannabis law reform advocates and outsiders sympathetic to that goal has increased by several orders of magnitude. Dr. Tashkin’s previous work very likely lacks the same meaning to people unfamiliar with his pre-2006 C.V. than it does to us.

        I also think that most of the sycophants of prohibition have forgotten or have never been familiar with his work. It used to be easy to make them fish mouth by mentioning his defection. In the past few months I’ve even seen a couple of the sycophants say that he’s probably just a “Dr. Feelgood” shilling for NORML or equivalent statements to that effect.

        (oh all right, “several orders of magnitude” is at least slightly embellished)

  21. Mr_Alex says:

    WOOT SAM Missouri has called me a troll, they even called me a full time troll for the cannabis industry

    • kaptinemo says:

      Prohibs are forever guilty of psychological ‘projection’, as are certain politicians; always ascribing traits and behavior to others they hope nobody sees in themselves.

      But you’d have to be a very naive these past 40 years not to see it; it’s plain as day. The dark-as-deep-space kettle is calling the stainless steel coffeepot ‘black’. And everyone around them knows the difference.

    • primus says:

      You got cred.

  22. kaptinemo says:

    I don’t know how I missed this. From last year: What Ever Happened to ‘Just Say No’? Once a juggernaut, the Nancy Reagan-helmed campaign has almost disappeared. But does that mean opposition to marijuana legalization is gone too?

    Says what I’ve been saying all along:

    “Reagan is still alive at the ripe old age of 92. But her campaign against the Jeff Spicolis of the world is dead. And her “movement has evaporated,” as Ivy G. Cohen, the former president of the Just Say No Foundation, noted. Several large nonprofit groups—Families in Action and the foundation itself—either have been renamed or merged with other organizations. Other nonprofits, such as the National Federation of Parents for Drug-Free Youth, disbanded.

    Whatever you think of “Just Say No,” its decline has warped the debate over the legalization of marijuana in this country. It has contributed to the fuzzy notion that generational replacement is and will be the driving force in American attitudes toward pot. “Millennials are at the forefront of the recent rise in public support for same-sex marriage and the legalization of marijuana,” Pew Research concluded in a March report. Older Americans who oppose pot are dying off, the report added.”

    Nothing ‘fuzzy’ about it. Clear as recon plane camera glass.

    Archie Bunker is dead.

    Cannabists live. And grow in numbers and political power daily. The field is ours, now.

    • kaptinemo says:

      Oh, and this always gets me:

      “Another likely answer for the decline of the parents movement is the success of medical marijuana. Talk with anti-pot leaders, and to a person they say the advent of medical pot in the mid-’90s reoriented the debate. Sue Rusche, co-founder of National Families in Action, said the tide turned after “three billionaires stepped forward—George Soros, Peter Lewis, and John Sperling—and funded so-called medical marijuana.” Like Lowe and Cohen, Rusche suggested that medical marijuana changed the national conversation over weed from a behavioral issue involving teenagers to a quality-of-life one involving mostly adults.”

      Hilarious. As if there hadn’t been tens of thousands of people doing the actual legwork over many years. According to prohib catechism, the ‘Three Wise Men’, as I called them, magically did it all. Waved their wizard’s staffs, said “Abracadabra!” or some equally hackneyed phrase, and lo!, MMJ laws came to be.

      Another symptom of authoritarian thinking, the belief that all organizations are as top-down as they are. They give no credence – or respect, for that matter – to the idea that there existed a grass-roots foundation to build the organizations on. It colors all their thinking. And that should tell you how much they actually feel towards democracy, itself.

  23. claygooding says:

    There is a disconnect in any prohibition from honesty and science,,the prohibited substance/activity must be demonized and garner fear,hatred and shame for any that dare to participate or imbibe.

    Then you buy support from law enforcement with grants and military surplus and they hire thugs and psychos to enforce the laws.

    IMO our efforts should be in educating America just how much law enforcement depends on those grants and military surplus which buys their support for unjust laws.

    The sooner we end federal grants that involve marijuana arrests the sooner we get law enforcement away from the lobbyists keeping the drug war going.

  24. Servetus says:

    Joe Biden’s drug war record is not helping his decision to enter the Democratic primary as a presidential candidate. He’s getting blamed for being a lynchpin in creating the police state. In an article by Zaid Jilani, some of Joe’s statements pass the buck to the cops and police organizations:

    “…the so-called Biden crime bill that passed out of here … about which the Senator from Utah stood up and said, as it was going out the door, “Can we call it the Biden-Hatch bill?” — do you know how I wrote that bill? I asked the police organizations in this nation — the Fraternal Order of Police — “Give me the list,” because I invited them all in before I wrote the bill.[…]

    So I invited them in. I did not sit up in a room and write this. I did not go visit with the ACLU — which I have great respect for — and write it. I did not call a liberal confab and write it. I did not call Johnsonian liberals, if there are any still alive, and write it. I did not call any big society people and write it.

    I called the cops. And they sat in my office, at my conference table: the Fraternal Order of Police, Dewey Stokes and Don Oakhill, the National Association of Police Organizations, Mr. Skully and his executive assistant, the International Brotherhood of Police Officers, national sheriffs, International Association of Chiefs of Police, National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives, national troopers, major cities chiefs, International Union of Police Organizations, the Police Foundation, Police Executive Research Forum and Federal law enforcement officers.—Joe Biden

    We always suspected that in many cases the cops made the drug laws, that they don’t just enforce them, despite their assertion at every opportunity, and Joe (the Gaffer) Biden confirmed it.

    Welcome to the police state, in which the police make the laws, or make them up as they go along, compliments of Team Biden-Hatch, and prohibition.

  25. thelbert says:

    but i thought the universe was going to expand forever. isn’t that the same as exploding?

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