Kevin Sabet is going to ‘get to the bottom’ of Bernie Sanders

In tonight’s debate, Sanders was asked if he would vote to legalize marijuana in the state of Nevada in 2016.

“I suspect I would vote yes,” Sanders said. “I am seeing in this country too many lives being destroyed for nonviolent offenses.” Then he added the United States needs to “rethink this war on drugs.”

Kevin Sabet tweeted:

Not letting @BernieSanders off the hook on the marijuana issue.It’s well known he isn’t a marijuana enthusiast;we’ll get to the bottom of it

which prompted Tom Angell to retort:

LOL. Now Sanders is officially on notice that a losing movement with no political support is coming after him. #oooh

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71 Responses to Kevin Sabet is going to ‘get to the bottom’ of Bernie Sanders

  1. Frank W. says:

    Sabet might well be getting funding to get to the bottom of this. For sure La Clinton talked on the debate like he was whispering in her ear.

  2. Mr_Alex says:

    Kevin Sabet, I hope you’re gonna like whats coming down the road, it won’t be the Cannabis activists paying you a visit, by the way Kevin Sabet you’re a coward, you block people on twitter questioning your relationship with Florida resident and Former Straight Inc Director Virgil Miller Newton aka Father Cassian Newton a ordained priest in a orthodox church, Kevin Sabet you make me sick to the brim that you would condone what happened at Straight Inc and where you would let other people know that you don’t know who Virgil Miller Newton is, by the way I seriously hope the Children’s Rights advocate groups and Troubled Teen Industry exposers give you a hard time when they find out you are friends with child abusers who ran Straight Inc

  3. kaptinemo says:

    Kevvie had better pray that an independent investigator doesn’t ‘get to the bottom’ of his funding base. I suspect violations of the Hatch Act abound.

    In the past, gross violations of it were given a pass by the legislators, but the support for re-legalization has grown – while the numbers of those supporting prohibition dwindle – so that the obstruction of actual investigations will no longer be feasible.

    They still don’t understand. Project SAM’s camouflage is hanging by threads, tattered, shredded, with holes revealing the self-serving machinery within. Even the most superficial of examinations show their corporate ‘mission’ has nothing to do with public safety and everything to do with protecting profits.

    Worse for them, the very people they need to convince in order to maintain their existence are the very people who were turned off by their authoritarian ways in school.

    Their former victims have heard all the propaganda before, and it not only doesn’t work, but to try it again is insulting. And as has been proved time and again, in refutation of said propaganda, they do indeed pay taxes and vote…and want a say in how those taxes are spent, and how they should not be..

    So, go on prohibs, ‘get to the bottom’ of this. Call more attention upon yourselves than perhaps you’d like. The phrase ‘Hoist by your own petard’ will become singularly applicable.

    • Mr_Alex says:

      The Prohibs were caught in a massive Fib/Lie sting when they claimed they do not know who Virgil Miller Newton or Father Cassian Newton is and also they demanded proof he was a child abuser at Straight Inc

      • kaptinemo says:

        Mr. McLaughlin puts it succinctly as to the underlying motive of the prohibs (beside saving their meal tickets) is their incessant, compulsive desire to control others.

        As the great Abolitionist and orator Frederick Douglass put it:

        “Let me give you a word of the philosophy of reform. The whole history of the progress of human liberty shows that all concessions yet made to her august claims have been born of earnest struggle. The conflict has been exciting, agitating, all-absorbing, and for the time being, putting all other tumults to silence. It must do this or it does nothing. If there is no struggle there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom and yet deprecate agitation are men who want crops without plowing up the ground; they want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters.

        This struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, and it may be both moral and physical, but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.”

        The underlying racism and bigotry that he and others fought is still, inarguably, manifest in the DrugWar. One need only look at incarceration percentages for each racial group within the population to see who is ‘over-represented’ in prison populations, and why.

        Yes, Kevin, let’s ‘get to the bottom’ of that too, shall we? After all, we’re not the ones supporting policies that provide such results. Nor are we the ones benefiting from them.

        And while we’re at it, nobody asked us if we wanted to pay for your control-freak’s crusade of a DrugWar. But we mean to stop paying for it.

  4. DdC says:

    Bill Maher Rips Apart Patrick Kennedy’s Anti-Pot Crusade: You Sound Like “Nancy Reagan In 1983”

    The bottom of it kevie…

    Bernie Sanders Connects War on Drugs to Unemployment

    Bernie Sanders in Seattle: “Too Many Lives Have Been Destroyed by the War on Drugs.”

    Bernie Sanders Leaves The Door Open On Marijuana Legalization

    Bernie Sanders on Drugs
    ☛ Voted NO on military border patrols to battle drugs & terrorism. (Sep 2001)
    ☛ Voted NO on subjecting federal employees to random drug tests. (Sep 1998)
    ☛ Legalize medical marijuana. (Jul 2001)
    ☛ Exclude industrial hemp from definition of marijuana. (Aug 2012)
    ☛ Exempt industrial hemp from marijuana laws. (Mar 2013)

  5. B. Snow says:

    One group can’t get over Sanders using the word Socialist (as opposed to Capitalist) – when describing his general Fiscal priorities… (NVM, He isn’t talking about full-on Communism/Marxism/Stalinism etc.)

    But, rather acknowledging that some folks are Obsenely Wealthy = literally. And they could afford to pay FICA on all of their income – rather than having that tax “capped” = stopping at $118,000 or so. *Oh noes*, Whatever shall we do?

    Meanwhile, back at the Injustice League, Kev-Kev seems to have figured out a new “evil subcategory” of people who don’t support marijuana prohibition – The Dreaded Marijuana Enthusiasts! *Duhn-duhnn-duhnnn*

    FFS, which *ahem* – “Joker” is still paying this asshat to deny people one of the most basic/simple and mostly harmless pleasures available to us on the little blue planet we call Home?

  6. CJ says:

    Mr. Alex i tend to agree.

    Kevin Sabeet and his ilk are undoubtedly war criminals. You can’t throw terms like “the war on drugs” around and then when the dust settles and the war finally ends, exonerate those persons who so loudly perpetuated the horrors of the “war” [on drugs].

    Let me get a little personal and let me also say that I understand the guy is a teacher or was a teacher at some ra ra bullshit “university” in Florida, right? I can easily see, at any class, Kevin telling his students about his philosophical opponents, maybe even making fun of or making light of us and websites like this. I can easily see him encouraging his students to come here maybe even and find juicy things to tell him so they can laugh at us or what have you.

    Well I have something to say you motherfucker. Every single time you open your mouth and every single time you put the tips of your fingers to a keyboard and write something you are doing serious fucking damage and the effects are most felt on the street where I live where this genocide is at it’s worse. I am holding you responsible because you’re a grown ass man, this is your livelihood and your business, you HAVE to be aware of what youre saying and what you’re doing.

    When people like you say the things you say and do the things you do, I have to think of friend after friend who has died and I hold people like you accountable because if it weren’t for people like you this INSANE war on drugs would have revealed it’self for the failing farce it is a LONG time ago.

    Yeah you have a chance to use your connections and platform to atone for your mistakes but instead of doing that YOU DOUBLE DOWN. OKAY ASSHOLE when the time comes we can’t let these people off the hook. “OK the drugs that can be legal are now legal, the drugs that need to be given in a supervised setting are now being given in a supervised setting, the war is over, we won, that’s the most important thing. All these people who prosecuted the war on drugs are irrelevant now, let them go off and find a hole in the ground to just die in.” No that’s not good enough. You’re going to pay for this one day because I refuse to be apart of a movement that’s agenda doesn’t involve holding you and your like accountable for the blood you’ve shed with your opinions and ideas that have been turned into murderous policy. It was ideas like Adolf fucking Hitler who turned his philosophy and personal bias’ into policy and that policy ANNIHILATED a race. You are fucking guilty.

  7. Daniel Williams says:

    The only real press Sabet gets is negative. If we’d just quit talking about him, he’d make the same sound a falling tree does in the forest when no one’s around.

  8. Servetus says:

    Kevin Sabet doesn’t yet know his place in politics. He’s a cog in a minority position on a hotly debated social policy. That makes him a reverse compass. Any candidate he condemns is likely to gather more cred as a result of Kevin’s contempt for that politician.

    But today there is hope for Kevin, and politicians like him. Science has a new solution. NEW RESEARCH announced today in the area of neurophysics “involving a psychologist from the University of York [who] has revealed for the first time that both belief in God and prejudice towards immigrants can be reduced by directing magnetic energy into the brain”.

    14-Oct-2015 — Dr Keise Izuma collaborated with a team from the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA), to carry out an innovative experiment using transcranial magnetic stimulation, a safe way of temporarily shutting down specific regions of the brain.

    The researchers targeted the posterior medial frontal cortex, a part of the brain located near the surface and roughly a few inches up from the forehead that is associated with detecting problems and triggering responses that address them.[…]

    The findings, published in the journal Social Cognitive and Affective Neuroscience, reveal that people in whom the targeted brain region was temporarily shut down reported 32.8% less belief in God, angels, or heaven. They were also 28.5% more positive in their feelings toward an immigrant who criticised their country.

    Kevin Sabet’s freedom from the tyranny of Baha’i, his release from his intolerance for THE OTHER and their drug preferences, is just a simple zap of magnetic stimulus away. Since Kevin thinks forced drug treatment is okay, he shouldn’t mind being strapped to a gurney against his will to have his brain magnetically probed and rearranged.

    AAAS Press Release: “Research that is simply beyond belief”.

  9. American WIND-farter says:

    ….I suspect I would vote Yes…

    Oh my, knock me down with a feather, I’m just so freaking impressed with the Fighting Spirit and fighting words like “I suspect.”

    Sabet is right on his Sanders tweet. I love Bernie because I’ve been listening to him for years on Thomm Hartmann’s radio program. He’s smart on drug policy and would be an improvement. What he’s NOT is an advocate. Doesn’t mean he would be a problem towards enlightened progress, but it’s NOT the same as being FOR cannabis legalization.

    I’m getting too old to fall for pre-election bullshit. What’s my Ranty, rant, rant, rah! (h/t Frank W.) on Sanders? Just the fact that the executive branch genuflects to “higher” powers. The President is on a short leash. The term for that leash? Epi-government, epi as in OVER-government.

    The prez is the “face,” of U.S. policy and really NOTHING more. Savvy voters choosing the “lesser-of-two-weevils? Give me a break. If voting for incremental retardation is savvy, I want out of this place.

    Anal-speak or wisdom? See DREDD BLOG’s awesome series on the epi-government. If you’re still a two-party con-sumer after edifying yourself on epi-government I’d be surprised. U.S. elections at the federal level are about keeping in place “predatory business models.”

    War and warmongering being the primary tools of predators. Oh America your freakishly large Amygdala makes me want to vomit special sauce all over your fat ass and stupid children.

    Ranty, rant, rant, RAH!

    • darkcycle says:

      Okay….now clean that up, before someone steps in it and tracks it all over Pete’s living room.

    • claygooding says:

      Do not concrn yourself with the man behind the curtain,,he is just dusting off the control panel,

      Bernie Sanders won the poll during the debate with 73% vs Hillary 17% and the other three splitting the remainder and yet here comes FOX and Huffpo praising Hillary,,,go figure,,,unless you acept that the 1% are continuing to alpply divide and conquer to their opponents,,they claim grassroots (D) love Bernie but don’t think he can win and will vote for Hillary.

      Bull and pure propaganda,,Bernie handed every (D) candidate a reform train to ride into office on and the DNC isn’t jumpping aboard,,,because Hillary is funded by the privte prison industry and the drug war profiteers.

      And Hillary’s call for more research is an empty glass,,anyone that needs more researh of the most researched substance on earth after the NCI reported THC and CBD cannabinoids produced naturally and safely in the cannabis plant kills cancer cells without harming healthy cells does not intend on reducing prison populations or reforming medical marijuana,,another empty glass.

      Feel the BERN!!!!

      • Windy says:

        John G Vibes wrote:
        There are a few reasons why I spend more time criticizing Bernie Sanders than I do the other potential dictators. Mainly, it is because the demographic that he is reaching, is people who are fed up with the system, who could be far more productive in the fight for freedom if they disengaged from politics and stopped supporting the system entirely. Another reason is because his economic ideas are absolutely toxic, and do nothing but to serve the system that he works for, and even serves the corporations that he claims to despise so much. High taxes and heavy regulations will do nothing but prevent poor people from developing their own small businesses, and will allow major corporations, through the process of regulatory capture, to stomp out their competition.

        Also are his views on foreign policy and middle east issues, he’s basically a neo-con when it comes to that. But overall, on principle, I will not ever support anyone who is attempting to save a system that I think is inherently immoral, and in fact, I must oppose anyone who even says that this system is something that is worth saving. At least with Ron Paul a few years back, his economic and foreign policy perspectives were on point, I didn’t support him because I don’t believe in politics, but I also didn’t attack him because at least he was putting forward a philosophy that was seeking to dismantle the government, not expand it.

        • B. Snow says:

          You don’t believe in Politics?

          You seem to think Philosophy is a plausible substitute??

          You don’t believe in Government???

          The fracture from logic that comes from People who refuse to accept the need for general “governance” and/or government in a modern society, It makes my brain ache from sheer quantity of *The Stupid* that proposition & line of thinking entails.

          “Tea Party” people who run for a position in the government – apparently in order to destroy it ‘from the inside’…

          (ala Qualye mk II = “to go to Washington and knock the heck outta the place”.)

          REALLY? I can sympathize with the anger/angst from some of these folks, But the vague – *Eliminate Taxes and Government and all will become right in the world ‘Plan’* – Yeah, that’s not a plan its essentially a call for anarchy… I don’t see how that helps us at this point.

          I voted Libertarian in 2012 – in a very Red Texas district… Effect = Gary Johnson & Jim Grey got 01% of the Vote.

          Just the other day you made a very similar call – for people to not participate elections & government – that won’t have the effect you think it will.

          In a very Princess Bride “that word doesn’t mean what you think it means” sense. I get the frustration, but taking my (toy)/=vote home is a strategy that will gather exactly Zero Attention to your/our/any cause.

          I’m trying to be nice & polite Windy but you’re sounding like Trump with his rant about:

          “He’s giving everythng away, “Bernie is a Socialist/Communist, nobody wants to say it” … Trump “hates to say it…” = (with a gleeful look in his eyes as everyone cheers, and he goes with – it milking the *popular anger* from the crowd like damn a Sith Lord!)

          [Yeah right, He “hates to say it…” – but here it comes with a sh*t-eating grin to massive applause in the crowd]

          Sorry but, Your continued anger on this ‘is a path to the dark side’ Windy.

          And, I don’t see how that possibly works out any other way. Certainly not in a positive way, or in any way you’d want it to turn out.

          And, Statistically the fewer people who vote (has for decades now) equalled a Republican getting elected – They’ve got a dozen shmucks & an angry carnival barker (a popular one maybe) – But, I’ll pass.

          Note: I’m not a big fan of donkeys or elephants in general. But, I’m at the point where an older guy whose been an Independent Senator at the State level, who caucuses with the Dems in the Senate. Because there are only a few other Independents = in Congress…

          Oka, I’m NOT explaining why a 3rd party doesn’t workout in Congress, it just doesn’t… Anywho,

          I see the man unabashedly calling himself a “Democratic Socialist” (who will and has explained it given enough time), Running in the Democratic Party’s Presidential Primary Election – and after listening to him for awhile now.

          I’m thinking, “I can vote for this guy” – He couldn’t do any worse than the last half-dozen did!

  10. jean valjean says:

    Sabet has no conception that someone else might take a course of action simply because it is the right thing to do. Because he always has an agenda, everyone else must have one. The man is just a sleazy whore to big pharma and more and more of the American public are waking up to that.

  11. darkcycle says:

    I totally lean towards Sander’s positions on the economy and social issues. And while he and his generation are not likely to be cannabis supporters, he has made it clear that he wouldn’t obstruct the will of the people on the matter. That’s as good as you’re ever going to get from any pols today, and it’s good enough for me.
    Now, to the separate issue of the two party dominance and the fact that Bernie is already paddling upstream by running for the Democratic party nod….I would feel better about his independence if he was running as a third party candidate.
    I made a promise to wash my hands of the two party system after Obushma got in and proved he was really the “Hope” of the status quo. I will vote Bernie if he gets the nod, but I won’t like it.
    Bernie has to get the delegates, and the delegates are chosen by the party. He’s restricted in what he can say and do already, just to make it into the contest he has to soft peddle. That only gets worse if he gets the Democratic nomination (something I hope happens, but don’t see as likely). All the candidates move center when they get to the general campaign, so I expect that, too.
    Short version? I like Bernie. I wish his hands weren’t already tied, but they are. I’ll vote Dem only if he gets the nomination, otherwise look for me to vote Socialist or Green. That’s all.

    • DdC says:

      My thoughts were originally that Bernie could bring new concepts and ideas to the table. Drug War being a cancer on society or Cannabis as a remedy to everything on their agenda. He included ending the drug war when he started out. I suppose after he was getting attention. They hired advisers, because the topic was dropped when he became legit. Now the question I have, can he beat the Bush Machine? It ate up McCain, Kerry and Gore. Only feeds when a Bush is at stake. Like J.E.B.

      Not like we’re short on countries to bomb. Or exercise those new max cap contracts filling cages. Just what Neocons masturbate on, a domestic cold war rooting out growers. Revamping CAMP flying monkey’s and SqWAT shooting doggies. NRA outfitting the cop soldiers, with their Bearcats. No knock, sneak peek, warrant less raids and rubber stamps. Probable cause, they said so. Yet the munchkins pretend it all depends on the beauty pageant winner. Make what you can then split. The Neo American Scheme.

      We could move the Capital from DC to Ukraine or Bosnia. Some remote primitive place like Kansas. Most economical would be NYC, save gas. Most appropriate would be Vegas. Better yet, lets downsize Homeyland Insurance and have a massive investigation of the FDA, ONDCP and its subsidiary science fiction authors and enforcement. It would be down right civil if Obama would remove it as a controlled substance. Then let it be. There is no punishment required.

      The level of Cannabis ignorance in all three branches of government, with access to the most detailed information of all generations previous. Yet continue to make policy on utter nonsense. Is a clear sign we are not being represented for the taxes we pay. There is an enormous amount of evidence that our grievances are not being heard. Or perhaps just not understood by such bodies of stupidity. How many centuries do we spend waiting for a perfect experience? Or actual harm, with victims who have names. At least we should be able to silence the Sabetian chicken little welfare queens.

      Quality Assurance and oversight in the rare abuse cases. Poisons, EP and violence. There is no finer example than Cannabis of consumer safety by a self regulating industry, in the history of business. No need of state politicians salivating over fines and revocations or zoning regulations. There was never a logical reason to include cops in the discussion. Since the Indian Hemp Commission in 1894, or William Brooke O’Shaughnessy on the Preparations of the Indian Hemp, or Gunjah in 1843. As insane as banning cannabis for being the safest therapeutic in the entire pharmacopeia.

      🙉 Presidential Debate:
      Bernie Sanders Says He Would Vote to Legalize Marijuana

      🙈Clinton Facing Pressure on Marijuana Reform

      🙉 Marijuana Legalization Urged for Open Debate

      🙊Legislative Roundup: October 12 HIGH TIMES

      🙉 Presidential Hopeful Jim Webb
      Hints At Support For Radical Drug Policy Reform

      What Is Jim Webb’s Stance On Weed?
      He’s Probably The Most Liberal Candidate On Marijuana

      Decriminalizing weed and legalizing weed are two totally different things, and just to be clear, Webb supports eliminating prosecution for marijuana and other drug offenses, not necessarily allowing recreational pot use.

  12. darkcycle says:

    Oh, and I’m sure Kevvie will get to the bottom….of something. Hopefully a large body of water, and assisted by some cement and chains.

  13. Duncan20903 says:


    So does this mean that KevKev and The Professor aren’t an item any more? Should we send them some dead flowers to express our dismay?

    More signs of progress:
    Bernie Sanders says people are getting prison sentences for smoking marijuana
    [standard issue blahblahblah deleted]

    Some caveats

    All this said, we should note a few points.

    Experts say different jurisdictions may have divergent standards and thresholds in charging defendants for marijuana possession. Some states even consider passing around a joint at a party to be considered “distributing,” said Douglas Berman, an Ohio State University law professor.

    In addition, the statistics we cited above do not include people sent temporarily to jail — potentially a much larger population than those serving sentences prison. The jail population could include people who have violated probation for testing positive for marijuana, or for failing to pay a fine for marijuana possession, said Bill Piper, the director of national affairs for the Drug Policy Alliance.

    Marijuana arrests

    As it happens, Sanders might have been on safer ground had he stuck to citing arrests for marijuana possession rather than prison time.

    St. Pierre said that the most recent FBI data shows that of the roughly 700,000 arrests for marijuana-related charges in 2014, about 90 percent were for possession only — and these arrests can have radiating consequences.

    Even spending a night or two in jail for marijuana possession can cause “tremendous disruption to their lives — they can lose their jobs when they don’t show up for work the next day, or they can miss critical doctor appointments, or they can’t pick up their kids from school,” Piper said. “This is regardless of whatever penalty they get, and even if the charges are ultimately dropped.”

    La Vigne added that the high arrest rates for marijuana possession has other negative consequences, such as racial disparities in exposure to the criminal justice system.

    Indeed, when we checked with Sanders’ staff, spokesman Warren Gunnels cited a news report of the FBI arrest statistics. As for prison time, he said that even if the numbers of people in prison for marijuana possession are relatively small, it’s still more than “the number of senior executives on Wall Street who went to jail for the near collapse of the economy in 2008” — which is the comparison Sanders made during the debate.

    I wonder how long it will take outsiders to grasp that the lame “no one should go to jail for smoking a joint” is ancient history, and it’s now “no one should be in the criminal justice system for cannabis law violations”? (Wow, that one got me so excited that for a very brief moment I wanted to spell out the punctuation!)

  14. DdC says:

    OT News

    The Runner’s High:
    It’s Like Smoking Weed

    Smoking Weed:
    It’s like running, without busting up your knees.

    Oregon Pot Stores Sell More than $11 Million in First 5 Days

    Oh my, Sabet is helping the homeless build houses
    by shitting bricks.

    Florida Lawmakers Believe Medical Marijuana
    Should Only Be Given to the Terminally Ill

    Well what can be expected? it is the Home of Sabeteur SAM, Carlton Turner and Calvina Fay. Kevie’s at the University of Florida, He’d Make good Gainsville Gaterbait. Good memories of toking Meshmacon at Lake Alice. Long before Sabet slithered onto the planet from his mama’s womb.

    Medicinal Marijuana Increasingly a Substitute
    for Prescription Drugs

    Fat Pharma is helping Sabet build homes…

    Pig Found Eating Cannabis
    ‘Refuses to Give up his Stash’
    When Police Arrive

    Very confusing. Was it from Santa Ana?
    What ever became of the thin blue line?

    • DdC says:

      More OT

      Do Not FEED
      the Red Herrings.

      Half of the prisoners in US prisons are in for drug related crimes. Kavin defines cannabis as a drug. Cannabis is the Gateway to 3 strikes, Mandatory Minimums, Gag rules and Plea Barter Rehabilitation, Piss Vampires and Unemployment. Fuck the little nazi bastard and the bloodsuckers he idolizes. He is on the bottom dwelling on being #1 on America’s shit list. Just when you think he can’t get any lower, he pulls out a shovel. Kevie is Cancer with a harelip. Looking for a Czar’s resurrection with sir Hilary. To punish parents for stopping their kids seizures. Or make the elderly and infirmed suffer for their sins. Private Prison Slave Labor. Smiting the addicted, and those who provide it. Sober Sabet’s vengeance on Americans.

      Silicon Valley’s Best-Kept Productivity Secret:
      Psychedelic Drugs

      Tech entrepreneurs are finding LSD and other mind-altering substances to be surprisingly effective tools for improving their work.

      Secret? Shoreline Amphitheatre was designed by Bill Graham
      to resemble The Grateful Dead’s “steal your face” logo. Job’s Apple from the Beatles.

      ‘Unimaginative’ and should have tried LSD.”
      ~ Steve Jobs on Bill Gates: Oct 21, 2011

      “LSD Was One of The Best Things I’ve Done in My Life”
      Steve Jobs

      The Strange Laws That Dictate What Your Doctor Tells You

      Welcome to Science based Medicine…
      None of the 157 Medical Schools
      have an Endocannabinoid Science Dept.

      Are Researchers Giving This Illegal Drug
      the Green Light for Treating Chronic Pain?

      GWPH â–²3.03

      Propone ministro legalizar consumo lúdico de cannabis
      Minister proposes to legalize recreational use of cannabis

      High in the hills we are harvesting sweet sinsemilla. Yeah the law wants it all ’cause they know that the wild weed can free ya. And freedom for us is a prison for the rulers of might. That’s why the Free Mexican Air Force — Mescalito riding his white horse —
      Yeah, the Free Mexican Air Force is flyin’ tonight

      • Mr_Alex says:

        you’d be surprised at how many in the IT networkers who work with routers,servers and switches in the IT industry use Cannabis

        • DdC says:

          “routers,servers and switches in the IT industry use Cannabis”

          They live over the hill from me…
          Probably using for similar reasons…

          Marijuana and the Pygmies
          Carl Sagan, The Dragons of Eden,
          Speculations on the Origin of Human Intelligence
          p 191 footnote (pb edition 1978, copyright 1977)

          “In defense of the Pygmies, perhaps I should note that a friend of mine who has spent time with them says that for such activities as the patient stalking and hunting of mammals and fish they prepare themselves through marijuana intoxication, which helps to make the long waits, boring to anyone further evolved than a Komodo dragon, at least moderately tolerable. Ganja is, he says, their only cultivated crop. It would be wryly interesting if in human history the cultivation of marijuana led generally to the invention of agriculture, and thereby to civilization. (The marijuana-intoxicated Pygmy, poised patiently for an hour with his fishing spear aloft, is earnestly burlesqued by the beer-sodden riflemen, protectively camouflaged in red plaid, who, stumbling through the nearby woods, terrorize American suburbs each Thanksgiving.)”

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    • kaptinemo says:

      We’ve been in the trenches, fighting the civil liberties fight against corrupt, overreaching government agencies and parasitic industries that support them longer than most of Mr. Sander’s supporters have been alive. How about the so-called ‘progressives’ join our revolution? The one that’s been going on for 40 years, bereft of any support from your side of the aisle?

      We were yelling our heads off about the racial injustice of the drug laws before it became fashionable in certain circles to acknowledge the problem at all.

      We sounded the warning before anyone did about how the drug laws were leading to the militarization of police, and all the (prescient!) predictions we made in the 1980’s proved true.

      We worked tirelessly, without any monetary gain, all too often in the opposite direction, to get the reasonable and rational need for drug law reform front and center in the awareness of Congress, only to be told by so-called progressives not to ‘rock the boat’. To wait until ‘our’ man is in’, only to find another corp-rat shill has taken the place of a previous shill.

      How many drug law reformers worked on Obama’s campaign? Some may be ashamed to admit it now. But quite a lot did, hoping his Inaugural Address about science guiding policy being paramount could be taken at face value.

      Should have known better, and some of us did, saying so, and were branded as ‘haters’ on other Websites. He went back on his word. And made it clear as recent as this year that he had repudiated his promise.

      Once burned, twice as shy. You want our help? Then let’s talk turkey, shall we?

      Drug law reform – with all that that entails, abolition of rogue Fed agencies, non-interference in State cannabis laws, release of nonviolent prisoners, the clearing of records, investigations into abuses, etc. – as a plank. Nothing else will do.

      Not interested? You should be, with well over half the population on our side. Probably more like 65-70%. Who are sick and tired of being jerked around and taken for granted.

      And with a potentially truly gigantic voting bloc, one crossing nearly every demographic possible, all reliably voting in favor of drug law reform issues like MMJ and legalization whenever they get the chance, are serving notice of the same.

  17. Mr_Alex says:

    Since the US has a hardcore prohib called Kevin Sabet, can New Zealand send their Prohib National Party run by John Key and United Future Party run by Peter Dunne to the US since NZ wants nothing to do with them as they are a speck against any Cannabis reform in New Zealand

    • DdC says:

      The Nimbin HEMP Embassy in Australia is a non-profit association incorporated under the name Nimbin Hemp and established in 1992. The Embassy’s objectives are cannabis law reform through educating the community about hemp products and cannabis, and promoting a more tolerant and compassionate attitude to people in general.

      “Prohibition was introduced as a fraud; it has been nursed as a fraud. It is wrapped in the livery of Heaven, but it comes to serve the devil. It comes to regulate by law our appetites and our daily lives. It comes to tear down liberty and build up fanaticism, hypocrisy, and intolerance. It comes to confiscate by legislative decree the property of many of our fellow citizens. It comes to send spies, detectives, and informers into our homes; to have us arrested and carried before courts and condemned to fines and imprisonments. It comes to dissipate the sunlight of happiness, peace, and prosperity in which we are now living and to fill our land with alienations, estrangements, and bitterness. It comes to bring us evil –only evil– and that continually. Let us rise in our might as one and overwhelm it with such indignation that we shall never hear of it again as long as grass grows and water runs.”
      Roger Q. Mills of Texas, 1887.

  18. DdC says:

    Sixties Cannabis Culture Thread

    Peter Sellers and John Lennon riffing on Acapulco Gold: who’s got the dope? During a 1968 promo shoot. While back in 2015 Florida Lawmakers Believe Medical Marijuana Should Only Be Given to the Terminally Ill. FBI Report: Someone Is Arrested Every 51 Seconds for Marijuana Possession.

  19. Will says:

    Tom Angell’s response to Kevin Sabet’s tweet is priceless. He accurately sums up Sabet with the one word poor Kevin fears the most: irrelevance.

  20. Servetus says:

    Something threatens to put Kevin Sabet and his prohibitionist allies out of contention for good; meaning no more glorification of drug arrests, nor the rehab business. That something would be an effective medical treatment for addiction that eliminates the need for brick and mortar rehab facilities. Many researchers are working on the problem. Progress is being made. In Sweden, researchers are:

    …one step closer to finding an effective drug for alcohol dependence. In two separate studies, they show that the dopamine stabilizer OSU6162 can reduce the craving for alcohol in alcohol dependent people and normalises the level of dopamine in the brain reward system of rats that have consumed alcohol over a long period of time. However, thorough clinical studies are needed to determine if the OSU6162 also can help alcohol dependent people drink less alcohol.

    “The results of our studies are promising, but there is still a long way to go before we have a marketable drug,” says Pia Steensland, PhD, Associate Professor at the Department of Clinical Neuroscience of Karolinska Institutet, and co-author of both studies. “The socioeconomic costs of alcohol are huge, not to mention the human suffering. It is inspiring to continue working.”[…]

    Nobel Laureate Arvid Carlsson, professor emeritus at the Sahlgrenska Academy, University of Gothenburg, whose team also invented the substance, is also one of the co-authors of the clinical study.

    In the near future, effective medical treatments will be available to those with authentic drug addictions. Addiction as a medical condition will also be better understood by scientists, if not Kevin. As new anti-addiction drugs or vaccines hit the market, we will see the same effect on drug rehabs that we saw with the polio vaccine when it eliminated an entire medical industry devoted to rehabilitating polio victims. In the meantime, people like Kevin Sabet will continue to waste their own worthless lives demonizing non-toxic recreational drugs, and the people who use them.

  21. n.t.greene says:

    He’s going to need some lotion for that burn.

  22. strayan says:

    Jesus Christ some Australian academics want to start sending employees to jail for simply failing a drug test:

  23. darkcycle says:

    Too sick to write a cogent response, so I’ll leave this here for now. Have at ’em:

    • NorCalNative says:

      Get well soon dc.

      OT. Anyone have a clue what the Chinese comments are about. I get nervous clicking on links that I’m not sure of.

      • NorCalNative says:

        When I posted my get-well note to dc, there were 2 Chinese language comments from an older post that were at the top of the “Recent Comments.”

        I clicked to post my comment to darkcylce and was knocked off-site. When I came back the Chinese comments are no longer there. They were in response to Pete’s last Open-Thread.

        Pete, did you remove them?

      • darkcycle says:

        Thanks, NorCal.

  24. Servetus says:

    New research highlights more of the genetic origins of schizophrenia for those such as Sabet who still believe it’s caused by smoking marijuana: “Schizophrenic subjects had more frequent variants in NLGN2, a gene which is involved in ensuring that the synapses, the junctions between neurons in the brain, function correctly.”

    Prohibitionists and other denizens of total scientific ignorance, such as Kevin Sabet, will never pay lip service to information that doesn’t indict marijuana. They’re actually committing a type of fraud when they misrepresent the science associated with marijuana or schizophrenia. Too bad there’s no law to jail the prohibitches who lie about drug science. In the United States, thanks largely to Joe Biden, there’s instead a law to protect them: Title VII Office of National Drug Control Policy Reauthorization Act of 1998: H11225, that gives prohibitionists a license to lie, in order to complement their license to steal.

  25. B. Snow says:

    For the record Pete – I have to point out that the full quote was:

    “I suspect I would vote yes. And I would vote yes because I am seeing in this country too many lives being destroyed for non-violent offenses…

    Note: I watched it live = twice… IMO The “I suspect” part was probably because he doesn’t vote in Nevada – and also speaking very carefully – knowing the magnitude of the topic . Especially to his largest demographic group of supporters – those aged 18-to-34.

    And FWIW, (after seeing this assertion that he was giveing a nuanced or wishy-washy answer in several places),

    I searched for the quote & found the version you posted in numerous places – But many do include him repeating this portion of his responce to the question.

    I have no doubt that’s due to the standard essentially *print journalism* method of reporting these sort of quotes.

    I’m 99% certain Bernie phrased it that way because he was thinking through his response – as he spoke – and that makes it more valuable IMO = it wasn’t a “canned answer” that he had prepared beforehand.

    • claygooding says:

      The reason every mainstream news outlet is reporting Hillary as the debate winner is that Bernie will bring the young and the poor to the voting booth.

      • Mongo says:

        Dont forget that Time Warner who owns CNN donated half a million to Hillary’s campaign. If I learned anything here its to always follow the money.

  26. Trout says:

    As a consequence of the new penal reform desired by the french minister for justice, Christiane Taubira, from today, cannabis consumers will not face a court appearance, and will be fined only.

    Cannabis decriminalization, though they refuse to call it that, has been included in the justice-reform measures which have beed specially crafted to help unclog the french courts of petty crimes.

  27. Mr_Alex says:

    I just put this on SAM Oregon’s page and it seems Randy cannot reply back:

    Just remember Kevin Sabet cannot be trusted, he lied to the reporters of about his time working for Betty and Melvin Sembler who founded Straight Inc in the 1970s and was forced to rename themselves to the Drug Free America Foundation after over 50,000 children was abused and lawsuits took its toll, Randy you don’t mind your boss getting exposed don’t you?:

  28. Servetus says:

    Some things never change. Victor Serge, writing in 1926 on the policing problem in declining totalitarian regimes:

    “Police provocation is above all the weapon—or the curse—of decomposing regimes. Conscious of their impotence to prevent what is going on, the police incite initiative which they then repress. Provocation is also a spontaneous, elementary action, resulting from the demoralization of a police force at its wits’ end, overtaken by events, which cannot perform a task infinitely above its capacities, and nonetheless wants to justify the expectations and expenditures of its masters.” — What Every Radical Should Know about State Repression: A Guide for Activists (Ocean Press, NY, 2005), p. 136.

    That’s Kevin Sabet. He’s a police provocateur.

  29. Next Wednesday in Mexico says:

    I’m going to go with ‘google translate’ on this one:

    The Supreme Court of Justice (SCJ) will discuss a draft resolution of the minister Arturo Zaldívar Lelo de Larrea, where personal consumption of marijuana for recreational and entertainment purposes authorizing members of an organization called Mexican Society Responsible Autoconsumo Tolerant (SMART), arguing that the prohibition of narcotics contrary to the free development of personality.

    The proposal provides that the Ministry of Health of the federal government issues licenses to those interested in personal consumption of the drug.

    The First Chamber of the High Court of the country discussed the draft decision to be submitted to a vote on Wednesday October 21.

    In the document submitted to Zaldivar applicants authorized under consumption, planting, growing, harvesting, preparation, possession and transportation of marijuana for recreational purposes and personal use, but does not authorize any marketing.

    The proposal emphasizes that, while the prohibition of cannabis, which is in the General Law of Health- is constitutional, can not be considered as absolute, as there are other measures to discourage their use.

    “The measure at issue prevents the use of marijuana under any circumstances, when for the purposes intended (the norm) could be limited to discourage certain behaviors or prohibitions set more specific situations, such as driving or dangerous instruments under the effects of the substance , consume in public places or induce others to also consume it, “says the project.

    Sergio Mendez, Justice Collective Pro Person, and Catalina Pérez Correa, a researcher at the Center for Economic Research and Teaching, agreed that the case opens the door for the legalization of drugs as a way to combat drug trafficking.

    “If approved it would be a major step in the country, to open the discussion on how to fight organized crime,” Mendez said.

  30. MoreOnMexico says:

    The proposal of the Minister of the Supreme Court of Justice Arturo Zaldivar, to decriminalize the cultivation and transportation of marijuana for personal consumption has been applauded by activists and researchers.

    Jorge Hernandez Tinajero, a political scientist and a member of the Mexican Association for Cannabis Studies, said that this is the way to decriminalize marijuana without violating international treaties.
    “Treaties do not oblige States to penalize the cultivation of marijuana when there is no commercial trade, profit or legal market; this opens the door for users to grow for themselves without being criminalized,” said the former director of the Collective for a Comprehensive Policy towards Drugs (CUPIHD).

    • claygooding says:

      Mexico is positioning itself so when an international market develops they are ready to join in,,,after all they have the most experienced growers of any country accustomed to growing large crops.
      As I have noted,,the brick coming across is nearly seedless and has a lot less stalks and trash hidden inside the bricks,,they are preparing their growers for a commercial market and they will be a force to reckon with.

  31. Mr_Alex says:

    it seems opposition neutralized on the prohibs when Kevin Sabet’s connection to the Semblers is mentioned on SAM Oregon and Project SAM’s facebook

      • kaptinemo says:

        Typical prohib denial; from the last link:

        “Kevin Sabet: “Inevitability is the number-one talking point of the legalization movement. They’ve even started an organization with the sole purpose of distorting people’s perceptions of this and making it seem like everyone supports legalization, whether it is really true or not. That’s a really powerful talking point for them, because if people think something is inevitable, even if they’re against it, they’re likely to surrender it because it’s not worth their time to deal with it or fight.”

        “There’s no doubt that there’s some truth to the idea of momentum for legalization having grown over the past 10 years or so.” (Emphasis mine – k.)

        Of course, the organization he mentioned doesn’t have a name…or a face. Perhaps he is engaging in the common practice of psychological projection; remove the word ‘legalization’ and replace it with ‘prohibition’ and the modus operandi he describes might also belong to Project SAM and its sugar daddy, the ONDCP.

        In my father’s time, Kevvie would be said to be engaging in ‘whistling past the graveyard’. In this case, so as to not hear the ghostly voices of his precious prohibition’s victims call his name.

  32. jean valjean says:

    Ho ho Kevin!
    “Florida voters backed legalizing cannabis therapy by a margin of 87 percent to 12 percent.”

    • Duncan20903 says:


      It was 88% before the 2014 election. The trouble with that question is that there are people who are “in favor” of medicinal cannabis if it comes from the medical establishment. They’re not going to vote in favor of forcing the issue.

      FWIW I’m “officially” predicting that both Issue 2 and Issue 3 on Ohio’s 2015 ballot will be approved by the voters. That means that I’m “officially” predicting that there will be a genuine political cluster*uck. Fortunately the Ohio Legislature had the foresight to realize that Issue 2 is almost certainly illegal on its face and sent any controversy resulting from its approval directly to the Ohio State Supreme Court.

      Hey, speaking of “original jurisdiction” when the heck is the SCOTUS going to get around to telling Oklahoma and Nebraska to pound sand? I was only kidding when I pointed out that it took 93 years to settle the case of Kansas v. Colorado. By “settle” I do mean that Kansas won. They were still arguing about what Kansas won as recently as 2009.

      Kansas v. Colorado, 185 U.S. 125 (1902)
      Kansas v. Colorado, 206 U.S. 46 (1907)
      Colorado v. Kansas, 320 U.S. 383 (1943)
      Kansas v. Colorado, 514 U.S. 673 (1995)
      Kansas v. Colorado, 533 U.S. 1 (2001)
      Kansas v. Colorado, No. 105, Orig.,[1] 556 U.S. ____ (2009)

      Gosh I hope that the Ohio controversy is settled before I die of old age.

  33. Servetus says:

    Michael Schulson interviewed Dr. David Eagleman, a neuroscientist at the Baylor College of Medicine, who has a new PBS miniseries on Neuroscience out called “The Brain”.

    The final question in the interview is relevant to Kevin Sabet’s crusade to save the children from cannabis gummie bears and Big Marijuana. By Eagleman’s standards, it would appear to be more a question of saving children and juveniles from Kevin Sabet:

    Schulson: You have this philosophical commitment to possibility. But there are people trying to get specific moral messages out of neuroscience, too—specific statements about how we should live, how we should blame, and so forth. Is that going too far, or can these conclusions coexist with that openness to possibility?

    Dr. Eagleman: I actually think it’s extremely important to figure out what we can learn, including in terms of morality and social policy, from neuroscience. I direct the Initiative on Neuroscience and Law, about the intersection of what happens with criminal justice and what we know from neuroscience.

    Just as a quick example, one issue is our prison population has quadrupled in this country, almost entirely because of the war on drugs. The issue about drug addiction is that the War on Drugs has always been attacking drug supply, but if you really want to have an impact on people whose lives are getting ruined by drugs, you have to understand drug demand, not supply, and that’s the brain of the addict.

    There are [other] issues about juveniles and how you punish juveniles—their brains are really plastic. I think that it’s actually very important to leverage what we know in neuroscience to crafting social policy that’s more aligned with testable evidence.

    Really plastic? Kevin didn’t figure on that. His itinerary favoring the caging and persecution of juveniles warps their plastic brains and sensibilities and turns them into the super-predators that bottom dweller Bill Bennett warned us about.

  34. Mike says:

    OT After 30 years of Farm Aid please Willie make

    Farm Aid 31 the year farmers hear about the value of Hemp.

  35. Duncan20903 says:


    One of our favorite clowns of prohibition from Arizona decided to give us a few laughs:

    Montgomery: Undercover operatives ‘may be on hand’ during marijuana expo in Phoenix

    Hey Billy boy, the 1950s called, they want their lame threats of prosecution returned. Good god, what an idiot!

  36. viggoPiggsko says:

    Came across this on Mr Bransons blog.

    “In an as-yet unreleased statement circulated to the BBC, myself and others, the UN Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), which has shaped much of global drug policy for decades, call on governments around the world to decriminalise drug use and possession for personal consumption for all drugs.”

    “….But as I’m writing this I am hearing that at least one government is putting an inordinate amount of pressure on the UNODC”

    I think we all know which country he is referring to. (Russia)

  37. NurseBibs says:

    A woman who was sentenced to 20 years in prison for using methamphetamine while pregnant may soon go free.

    On Thursday, the Arkansas Supreme Court reversed McCann-Arms’ conviction, ruling that she couldn’t be convicted under the statute because it does not apply to fetuses or unborn children. The court rejected the prosecution’s argument that McCann-Arms may have transmitted drugs to her child in the short period after he was born and before the umbilical cord was cut, stating that there was no evidence of such a transfer.

    An even more fundamental problem with the state’s position, Associate Justice Josephine Linker Hart wrote, is that the law applies only when there is an “active undertaking to dose another person,” like slipping a pill in someone’s drink. The law doesn’t explicitly criminalize “passive bodily processes” that may enable a drug to pass from a mother to her unborn child.

    Lynn Paltrow, executive director of National Advocates for Pregnant Women, a nonprofit civil rights group, applauded the court’s decision to overturn McCann-Arms’ conviction. “First of all, it means that a woman who was innocent of the crime for which she was convicted will be free from prison,” Paltrow said, adding that she knew of at least two more women in Arkansas who should be released as a result of this decision.

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