DEA administration moves from actively evil to just incompetent

Remember when former head Michele Leonhart refused to say that marijuana was less harmful than heroin?

Well, her predecessor, Acting Administrator Chuck Rosenberg, has taken a bold step toward… oafishness.

New DEA Leader: Pot Probably Not as Bad as Heroin. ‘I’m not an expert,’ he adds.

“If you want me to say that marijuana’s not dangerous, I’m not going to say that because I think it is,” Rosenberg said. “Do I think it’s as dangerous as heroin? Probably not. I’m not an expert.”

He added: “Let me say it this way: I’d rather be in a car accident going 30 miles an hour than 60 miles an hour, but I’d prefer not to be in a car accident at all.”

Now that’s leadership.


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67 Responses to DEA administration moves from actively evil to just incompetent

  1. Servetus says:

    Probably not ? I’m not an expert ? Yes, it’s true. As with all previous DEA directors, the latest addition to the DEA Director Hall of Shame doesn’t know squat about drugs. He’s just a Boy Scout.

    In some ways that are sick and twisted, the job appointment makes sense. If Chuck really knew anything about illicit drugs, or the real intent of the drug war, he would have refused the job.

    The FBI has been loath to soil its hands with the DEA in the past, so an FBI bureaucrat at the DEA helm doesn’t really bode well for anyone, nor does it add legitimacy to the DEA. A former EPA official would have been the better choice to clean up the toxic mess otherwise known as the Drug Enforcement Administration.

  2. jean valjean says:

    look at the picture… it’s the Three Stooges.

  3. Frank W. says:

    “doesn’t know squat about drugs” What he knows is how to talk about drugs to the MSM. There are a lot of “narratives” this guy is going to be pushing, and they’re all written by REDACTED

  4. Dante says:

    How many of the federal agencies are headed by people who aren’t experts in their chosen field?

    Does the head of the FAA know nothing about airplanes?

    Does the head of the FCC know nothing about communications?

    Does the head of the FBI know nothing about law enforcement?

    Of course not, these people were chosen because they know a lot about their industry.

    So, why do we have a freakin’ idiot in charge of the DEA? Is ignorance the goal?


    Protect & Serve (themselves!)

    • claygooding says:

      Bureaucrats are not experts at the agency they work for,,they are experts on how to use all budgeted funding every year so they can ask for more next year and any that ever took the DEA Admin job has agreed to lie to the American people.

      That is all we need to know about them.

      That they had to go inside the agency to find someone that would take the job speaks volumes.

  5. If a person has the mental health issue of an addictive personality and/or demons in their head and/or monkeys on their back… it does make any difference if it is alcohol, Nicotine, Heroin, Cocaine, MJ.. all substances that can affect/clam those demons/monkeys.. is potentially HIGH ADDICTIVE. TO THAT PERSON… We have an estimated 20% of the population that is – at least – a borderline alcohol and another 20% addicted to Nicotine… NO EPIDEMIC HERE… yet those two DRUGS .. use/abuse… kills 500 K – 600 K annually.

    • primus says:

      Edit, Steve, Edit.

    • Duncan20903 says:


      The death toll from smoking tobacco takes about 40 years to manifest itself in the statistics. The people dying from the use of smoking tobacco today almost certainly started smoking before Jimmy Carter was sworn in as POTUS.

  6. Tony Aroma says:

    “If it’s marijuana, that’s illegal under federal law and I’ve told them not to shy from that,” he said. “More to come on that.”

    Just thinking he might want to keep up to date with what’s going on in Congress. Like for example, not spending money interfering with state-legal marijuana. “Shying away” is exactly what Congress has told the DEA and DOJ to do.

    I’m also thinking he might want to bring himself up to date on drugs and drug policy. Seems kind of embarrassing to have to admit he’s not an expert, when his job title implies some level of expertise, what with the director of the DEA essentially controlling drug policy in the US.

    BTW, Rosenberg is Leonhart’s successor, she’s his predecessor.

  7. DdC says:


  8. Duncan20903 says:


    Does the guy in the background have his hand up Chuck’s ass working his mouth like a puppet?

    Somebody give the guy on the left some Pepto-Bismol, and hurry! He looks like he’s about 3 seconds away from the projectile vomiting!

  9. free radical says:

    Yes, you meant “successor” in the above post, not “predecessor.”

    His crash analogy is so obviously false. If cannabis were half as deadly a alcohol, then ok. I can’t wait for Earl Blumenauer or Jared Polis to ask this guy how many deaths from cannabis.

    It’s more like, would you rather be in a crash at 60 mph, or at 1 mph?

    Or I like saying, would you rather be burned by a forest fire or by a match?

  10. Duncan20903 says:


    So you thought you’d like to feel the warm thrill of confusion? This one is from the “for the love of god would you please make up your flippin’ mind?” category:

    High School Seniors Get Medical Marijuana More Often From Drug Dealers Than Dispensaries

    States allowing prescribers to recommend medical marijuana typically require patients to register for a state-authorized medical marijuana identification card before being able to possess the drug for treatment. Many teenage users comply, but there’s still a small percentage of them that go to the black market to get their medication.

    “The 17% of our sample that is using medical marijuana — without a card — means that people with medical marijuana are either giving or selling their medical marijuana,” she said.

    She added: “If they are selling the medical marijuana without a license, this makes them drug dealers.”

    Sorry, no space cadet glow here for you. Maybe next time.

    • Servetus says:

      I wrote about the researcher, along with Carla Boyd’s bogus publication earlier, here. Carla Boyd is trying to make a name for herself in the drug war. An interview with Forbes, indeed. Who does she think she is, Nora Volkow? Unfortunately for Dr. Boyd, she’s making her name here on DWR as well.

      • kaptinemo says:

        The defiance of the defeated.

        The DEA obviously believes it can weather a storm that has anyone else, pols included, running for cover. But the ‘F-U’ attitude is borne from the knowledge that they have become irrelevant to their latest paymasters.

        You know, the people whose lives they have been destroying. The people the drug laws have been used to marginalize, savage and slaughter

        The people whose taxes employ them. The people they point their guns at the most. The people who want cannabis legal again.

        The people who vote. The people who are having a very obvious forceful effect on pols. Who are voting more and more in alignment with reform legislation.

        In other words, Rosenberg’s diatribe is just this, with neckties.

        • Duncan20903 says:


          She didn’t get interviewed by Forbes, she got interviewed by a blogger who publishes his blog on the Forbes website.

          It appears that I misunderstood her assertion that “If they are selling the medical marijuana without a license, this makes them drug dealers.” I very reasonably inferred that also meant that the “medical merrywanna” had ceased being “medical marijuana” once diverted. I now doubt that it’s what she meant to convey.

          I feel compelled to share that the contemporaneous behavior of the prohibitionist parasites is giving me a major, ongoing warm fuzzy. You may recall that I did a lot of volunteer work for NORML in the first half of the 1990s. The major factor in my decision to quit was because no one was listening. Heck, it wasn’t even worth preaching to the choir because they weren’t listening either. Well the worm has turned. Not only are the parasites listening, they’re now showing indications that they’re becoming frantic. I just don’t have enough words in the stockpile to accurately describe my feeling of vindication.

          WTF is the point in trying to put a re-criminalization initiative on the California ballot? It’s an act of desperation because barring an act of god or force majeure it hasn’t got even the proverbial snowball’s chance of being approved.

        • kaptinemo says:

          The more they lose, the crazier they will get. This attempt at recriminalization is indicative of mental illness. Dementia, really. They’d have to be demented to think this has a chance, now.

          This djinn is too big for their reality bottle, anymore. In fact, said bottle is laying at their feet in shards. They are mentally walking barefoot on them, desperately trying to ignore the busted glass poking through their feet, and refuse to see the bloody trails they leave or acknowledge the pain. To do so is to admit the reality of their defeat, when in fact they lost long ago.

          It’s sad to see, really. But they brought this on themselves. The sour looks on their faces are from the flavor of their karma sandwiches. Because that brown, smelly stuff between the bread slices ain’t lunchmeat.

          Chow down, prohibs. For all you’ve done to us, there’s lots more coming…

  11. Tony Aroma says:

    Even better news! The title says it all.

    Bay Area U.S. Attorney Melinda Haag stepping down

    • jean valjean says:

      Maybe that’s what Rosenberg meant by “If it’s marijuana, that’s illegal under federal law and I’ve told them not to shy from that,” he said. “More to come on that.”

      Remove the obvious vote-losers like Haag and Leonhart (haven’t heard much from Kevin these days either) and replace them with fluffy kittens like Botticelli. But then they’ll kill you anyway.

    • kaptinemo says:

      Another rat jumps from the sinking USS Prohibition.

      “”I hope I had the effect of enhancing the reputation of the office,” Haag said. “I feel we’ve accomplished most of our goals.”

      Such an admirable goal, accomplished at the rate of one ruined patient’s life at a time. Oh, yes, quite a reputation, dear.

      One that will last you the rest of your life.

      One that your victims will hound you with the rest of your days.

      For, the Internet is, truly, forever. And reformers are legion.

    • primus says:

      “The time to step down is when the end is in sight and things are going well. We’re in that window of time.” Just shows to go ya, they live in their own little dream world. I would pay big bux to get whatever she takes to induce that state.

    • Servetus says:

      Quitting her plum job just as her two sons enter college seems a bit premature. Ms. Haag either has enough money for tuition for two, or she’s awfully certain about her future job prospects.

      I can’t imagine that Melinda Haag, a person so publicly reviled for attacking Oaksterdam and Harborside, would have any future job prospects. She thwarted two Congressmen and pooh-poohed their bipartisan legislation designed to stop federal MMJ dispensary raids and prosecutions. She brushed off a federal judge who wondered why she didn’t find something better to do with her time than prosecute Harborside. She prosecuted Harborside simply because it was “big”. For these reasons I think she was prompted by the U.S. Attorney’s office to leave, and was given the appearance of resigning as part of departmental, public-relations damage control.

  12. DdC says:

    Calling out around the world
    Are you ready for a brand new beat
    Summer’s here and the time is right
    For dancing in the street

    The Leafly Roundup:
    Who Will Legalize Cannabis First, Italy or the United Kingdom?

    Three More British Police Forces say They will No Longer Press Criminal Charges on Small Scale Cannabis Users

    Australia Could Legalize Medical Marijuana Before End of Summer

  13. strayan says:

    1hr documentary on our medicinal cannabis friend Prof Raphael Mechoulam:

    • darkcycle says:

      That article is garbage. Prosecutors pile charges on to leverage guilty pleas and coerce testimony. Many times people are convicted of crimes that are ancillary to the original charge.
      It ignores the fact that drug offenders commonly spend more time incarcerated than violent offenders, and the unfairness of discriminatory mandatory minimum sentences. And, many of those convicted of gun crimes would not be criminals were it not for our drug laws.
      And the guy is an idiot to treat State prison and Federal prison differently, the president can grant clemancy to any prisoner he damn well wants. And that extends all the way down to your county slammer.
      Take that tripe somewhere else.

      • darkcycle says:

        Plus, the crime rate has been going steadily downward for decades, while the prison population has skyrocketed. That speaks to a massive disparity, and when you look for the factor driving this, you are left with the drug war as cause number one.

        • Daren says:

          I see you’re posting on the other site. Interesting.

          “the violent crime rate has been steadily dropping now for decades, while the prison population is soaring. That points to a massive disparity.”

          And Mr. Katz responds with: “Did it ever occur to you that the crime rate may be dropping because more criminals are locked up?”

          Do you have a counter argument to this?

        • darkcycle says:

          Absolutely. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that, plotted on a graph, the two lines cross, and then continue along the same trajectories. If the crime rate goes down, so too should the incarceration rate.
          Fewer crimes would mean that there are fewer active criminals to lock up, yet the rate of prison population growth continues to accelerate.
          You do realize that people GET OUT after their stretch, don’t you? On average for manslaughter, you are looking at an average of “only” 18 months behind bars (as opposed to growing a harmless plant, which can land you life).

          (Type of Drug Involved in Federal Cases Involving The Sentencing Guidelines) “Drug offenses have historically represented the largest portion of the federal caseload. In fiscal year 2009, this trend ended when immigration offenses became the most common type of offense reported to the Commission.625 In fiscal year 2010, drug offenses were 28.0 percent of the reported cases, with 23,964 offenders convicted of a drug offense. More than one-quarter (26.0%, n=6,161) of drug offenses involved marijuana, followed by powder cocaine (5,571, n=23.5%), crack cocaine (20.0%, n=4,751), methamphetamine (17.6%, n=4,169), heroin (6.6%, n=1,561) and other drugs (6.4%, n=1,514).”
          – See more at:
          You might find this document noteworthy:

        • darkcycle says:

          Feel free to pile on anytime, couchmates. I am bravely swimming alone in prohibitionist infested waters there…

      • Daren says:

        No. Most drug offenders are also charged with violent crimes. Possession only drug offenders are practically unicorns. This post reminds me of Mr. Guither’s infamous “nose comment”.

        • darkcycle says:

          Yeah. That’s called “piling on”. I spent nearly ten years working with prisoners in the King County Jail. No prosecutor anywhere will file a possession charge when they can just as easily file a conspiracy to distribute charge. Same goes for weapons charges where there is a co-existing drug charge. They like to aim high.

        • Duncan20903 says:


          I’m particularly repulsed by the firearms possession charges when absent the presence of an unauthorized substance on the naughty lists the firearm would have been perfectly legal. Boilerplate time!

          Hey Mr. Ripper, please don’t use a gun when you rob me. Just ask politely because I’m not allowed to defend myself. Can I hire a security guard licensed to carry a gun to defend me? No? Can I at least use a replica gun (read water pistol) to bluff that ripper? No? Can I throw rocks? No? Can I at least fart in their general direction?

          Do people get arrested for child “abuse” just for having booze in the house? How about if they’re totally shitfaced when the cops break down the door? Ooops, silly me, cops don’t kick in the doors of drunks just for possession of drinking alcohol, no matter how stewed.

          It’s amazing how successful the prohibitionist campaign of disinformation concerning potential legal consequences of cannabis has been. Even more laughable is that so many of the idiot prohibitionists don’t notice that the argument can be summed up with “nobody gets arrested and jailed for cannabis except for the people who do.” Oh well, the reality is that if the sycophants of prohibition weren’t so easily played for chumps then they wouldn’t be sycophants of prohibition in the first place. Yes Daren, I do mean to include your easily scammed self. You can not insist fiction into becoming fact. It’s plain and simple…you’re nothing but a garden variety thief. Quit acting self righteous, it’s utterly nauseating.

        • Servetus says:

          My understanding of federal crime statistics has always been that drug crimes don’t get included in the mix with all the other crimes that ultimately make up the published statistics. For that reason, drug crimes can be going up while other crimes might decrease, giving the apparent illusion, or confusion, that crime per se is down, while incarceration is up.

        • jean valjean says:

          Howie Katz tells his blog readers he is happy to be a “warrior in the war on drugs.”
          Must be awful for him to see his life’s work unraveling as his drug war goes down the pan. He, Haag and Leonhart are trying to make a dignified retreat but but people on the internet keep raining on their retirement plans. Roll on Truth Commission.

        • Duncan20903 says:


          Weren’t we talking about the reasons for incarceration of Federal prisoners? A specific question in my mind is, “where on the list of reasons for incarceration which I linked in a post below is Weldon Angelos pigeonholed?” If that list linked were accurate he should be in both “drugs” and “weapons.” Since the categories on their list add up to 100% I submit that the list is wholly inaccurate.

          The FBI does publish a variety of crime stats with different mixes. One without drug arrests, one including them, crime rates perpetrated against each cohort made up depending on the shade of their skin, the rates of crime perpetrated by people depending on the shade of their skin, based on immigration status, whether the perpetrator has an innie or an outie etc etc etc ad nauseum.

      • Duncan20903 says:


        DC, the POTUS doesn’t have the power to pardon State level convictions. There really is a pretty sturdy chinese wall between the Federal and States respective criminal codes.

        Even if we’re to accept Daren’s lame argument we’re talking about more than 300,000 people.
        BoP Statistics: Inmate offenses says 48.6% of Federal prisoners are incarcerated for “drugs.” The next largest category is “weapons, explosives, arson” at 16.2%. I find the statistics linked to be suspect because all categories combined equal 100%. From that total I think it’s reasonable to infer that the numbers presented are unreliable. In my previous post I mentioned possession of a firearm which was only illegal because it was owned by someone in possession of one or more of the popular substances on the naughty lists. So where is Weldon Angelos listed in those statistics?

        Weldon Angelos case

        Weldon Angelos, the son of a Greek immigrant and founder of a rap record company, was accused of selling marijuana to a police informant on several occasions worth a total of $350; the witness stated that Angelos had a firearm strapped to his body, but no photographs or evidence existed other than his testimony, and Angelos never used or brandished his gun.

        However, section 924 [c] of the federal code provides for mandatory sentences for dealers who carry firearms during their drug transactions; meaning Angelos, who had no prior criminal record, was sentenced in November 2004 to a minimum of 55 years to 63 years in prison.

        I think that it’s almost time for another lesson in “How to Lie with Statistics” to better understand why Daren is patently wrong in trying to minimize the heinous impact of the unjust pogrom of drugs prohibition.

        • darkcycle says:

          Well, my bad then. I thought the POTUS had the blanket power to commute or pardon. That, I actually find surprising.

        • thelbert says:

          here is a guy the potus could pardon with a clean conscience: 22 years and counting for the horrible crime of getting high or something. i’m not sure what “crime” he commited, if any.

        • Duncan20903 says:


          I used to think the same thing DC, found out it wasn’t true the same way you did. I sometimes think that it will never cease to amaze me how uninformed the general public is concerning the respective roles of our State and Federal government. No offense intended DC, you have been getting the mushroom treatment from our public authorities.

          It’s not even limited to undereducated mooks like myself. How about the Attorneys General of the States of Oklahoma and Nebraska? OK, I go back and forth on that notion. It’s very reasonable to think that they’re just engaged in political chest beating…taking advantage of the ignorance of the general public.

          The fact that I have a better grasp on our government’s structure than probably at least 95% is significant evidence supporting the assertion that there’s a tear in the very fabric of reality. It just shouldn’t be the status quo. I should be hanging over the rail, having myself a little toke and diggin’ the icebergs. I’m not supposed to be a freakin’ policy wonk!

        • darkcycle says:

          Huh, yeah. I feel ya. But we all have become defacto policy wonks. It really wasn’t a choice. We were it, nobody else was up for it. Or up to it, for that matter. But you gotta admit that’s it’s kinda fun to watch the ideas we floated here on the couch become living reality….

        • Duncan20903 says:


          Here’s a little irony for you. My cannabis law policy wonking days started in 1990 when the Commonwealth of Virginia ordered me to enter voluntary “drug” “treatment.” It’s required by statute you know. So I figured I’d do a little research and find out why and how cannabis is bad for you to make quitting a little less annoying. Silly me, that research project made it almost intolerably annoying.

    • Take that says:

      “In the United States, drug arrests have tripled in the last 25 years, however most of these arrests have been for simple possession of low-level drugs. In 2005, nearly 43% of all drug arrests were for marijuana offenses. Marijuana possession arrests accounted for 79% of the growth in drug arrests in the 1990s. Nearly a half million people are in state or federal prisons or a local jail for a drug offense, compared to 41,000 in 1980. Most of these people have no history of violence or high-level drug selling activity” – page 4

      “With over 5 million people on probation or parole in the United States, drug use on parole or probation has become the primary basis by which thousands of people are returned to prison. These technical violations of parole or probation account for as many as 40% of new prison admissions in some jurisdictions.” – page 6

      –Drug Policy, Criminal Justice and Mass Imprisonment, by Bryan Stevenson

    • DdC says:

      Why a unique spelling, Darren? Are you special?

      Drug reformers lying with statistics as usual:

      That’s illogical. Reality is how we have progressed. From using Ditchweed numbers to DAWN hospital visits to auto deaths, are all drug worrier manipulations. There is no sense in falsifying when we are trying to stop little girls seizures while you want them to suffer and even die on pills. You only have to lie enough to keep prohibition alive. Stalling research or flat out banning it as the scum buckets did in 74. Everything done by the drug czars and his pseudoscience is to maintain the original Nixon Lie. You confuse reality with statistics. Since there are no victims of cannabis use you make up numbers. Never a causal connection. The one that makes you look silly as hell is the common error of probies. They seem to forget it is ALL happening during Prohibition. Eliminating the drug war casualties as if it was the Ganja, is unfortunately too typical. Any one of your doom and gloom stats can be used to demonize anything. Carrots or Potatoes. If outlawed would bring the same stats as far as prison, violence or larceny. None of it caused by Ganja. All of it caused by prohibition. So claiming crime went down while arrests soared is false. No one has to rob or steal to buy Ganja where they can grow it. No violence in smoking pot, only from smoking pot during prohibition. You create the violence, the sick kids, the foster child care rackets, the profit motive rehabilitation asylums. You funnel big bucks to the private max cap prison industry. Not Ganja. There is no point in us lying when the exposed truth would set us back. You lie to keep your blood money. That is logical. Your lies under the light of truth is why prohibition is being seen for the monster it is.

      Kochaine A.L.E.C. Drug Detention Centers
      ☛ Kochroach & Aleech…
      ☛ Koch-Owned Georgia-Pacific Environmental Crimes
      ☛ Koch Brothers eye L.A. Times, other Tribune newspapers
      ☛ Prison Overcrowding Conflict of Interest

      I see you’re posting on the other site. Interesting.

      We post on many sites. It’s rare to find someone willing to come here. Your thumbs down rating is not due to your weasel occupation, it’s your childish blame game using falsehoods and mostly eliminating the base cause. What makes you evil is the results of your actions are not hidden any longer like when the media controlled the entire conversation. Now you can buy products you previously said didn’t exist. The little girls seizures are under control and you would love nothing better than to silence that info so other little girls have to rely on fat pharma. If that ain’t a sicko… If at all possible, doubtful. But try to think of the results of your actions not just follow orders and read memo’s.

      “the violent crime rate has been steadily dropping now for decades,

      As cannabis use has increased. Well golly how can that be, less violence? Maybe thats why they say it mellows you out? Or soccer fans aren’t as violent? Or the PTSD is dulled enough to not act on the daytime nightmares. While 22 commit suicide from fat pharma drugs you push over cannabis. All I’d bet while jerking your plastic crud flag.

      Money Grubbing Dung Worriers
      ☛ Kimmel, Frank, Pelosi, Branson, Criticize MMJ Raids: Obama Splains
      ☛ Forfeiture $quads
      ☛ The President has some fans
      ☛ What third way?
      ☛ Ganjawar Puppycide
      ☛ When Police Learn
      ☛ SCotUS: 4th Amendment slows Cops Forfeiter Train…
      ☛ Incrementalretardation… What happens when cops write initiatives.
      ☛ Ending & Pillage Incrementally
      ☛ SCotUS: Marijuana Possession Not a Deportable Offense
      ☛ New York’s Vote to Curb Stop-And-Frisk
      ☛ This is the Brain of Incremental Retardation…
      ☛ As the Last Denialist’ Cling to the Stinking Sinking WoD Bullship.
      ☛ Oh damn, more drug worrier dog crap to step in?
      ☛ Do your part to help those afflicted with Incremental Retardation.
      ☛ DPA Report Finds ‘Policing for Profit’ Gone Wild

      while the prison population is soaring.

      Since Clinton busting more than Bush, Nixon and Rayguns combined. Now with ALEC and maxcap contracts its even more of an incentive. Not what some mandated lower IQ cop or prison guard is looking for. The problem is again, what you neglect to mention. It all happened during Prohibition. Tack on charges and mostly the most UnAmerican act since, ok there are many examples of UnAmerican acts by cops and politicians. But 2 strikes and the NRA heavily lobbied mandatory minimum sentencing accounts for much of it being possible. Same with harm caused by prohibition diverted by the scum to Ganja. Or any drug really. All the same drugs Rush Limbaugh sends his maid on the streets for are done safer in clinics. Without sharing needles spreading diseases. Without adulterated product or inconsistent dosages. Imagine that, you caused it with your gossip. So by eliminating Prohibition, less tax dollars wasted on cages, less violence on the streets, less drunks crashing into everyone but other drunks. So many positives for Americans while you lie, divert and ridicule over profits you won’t even see. Chump.

      POLICING FOR PROFIT, what else?
      Forfeitures and Confiscations, not just a paycheck anym ore.
      ☛ DEAth Merchants
      ☛ Who’s going to stop the thieves?
      ☛ Why Police Officers Lie Under Oath
      ☛ Drug mishandling may have tainted 40,000 cases
      ☛ Rackets Driven by this Drug War
      ☛ Aʂʂhole police
      ☛ Second Probe Raises Stink
      ☛ WTF’s Up with New Mexico?
      Have they been annexed by Texas?

      That points to a massive disparity.”

      No, it points to Prohibition, not Ganja.

      And Mr. Katz responds with: “Did it ever occur to you that the crime rate may be dropping because more criminals are locked up?”

      Did it ever occur to Katz or Jammers that if it was not a crime there would be no need to waste tax dollars locking Americans up? The sad part is Americans selling themselves and their country out to multinational corporate prohibitionists.

      Calvina Fay, Sabet SAM and Prohibition Inc.
      Their resume says… Professional Liars
      ☛ GOP Mogul Behind Drug Rehab ‘Torture’ Centers
      ☛ Drug Worrier Kevin Sabet Gets Punk’d
      ☛ Conflicts between State and Federal Marijuana Laws
      ☛ Tweets from Senate Hearing on Cannabis
      ☛ Dung Worriers Blocking Proponents From Attending
      ☛ Woman’s Christian Temperance Union

      Do you have a counter argument to this?

      You have no argument, that’s why cops have to lie in court. That’s why you have to pisstaste people because their acts under the influence isn’t enough to prove impairment. You also act as if you discovered fascism and are unique in demonizing groups for an agenda regardless of the means to obtain it. Next time try bringing your own opinions if that is possible. 12,000 years of use and then a few generations of forced abstinence is making your brains fear centers larger. The opposite of civilized society. You are devolving into a slave of your own accord. Fear is making you seek authoritah! Liberty is seen as a threat. You obey and they give you a paycheck. Again the sad part is you have a Constitution that could let you be a real American and you piss all over it and hide. I thought about clicking the link to get some jollies but if you’re the first string I think I’ll cut my toenails instead. Less boring.

      The real dope.
      Drug Worriers preferred methods of treatment…

  14. Frank W. says:

    “white-collar defense lawyer and former federal prosecutor.”
    Says it all. The devil took young Melinda to a high place and showed her all the riches of the world and she said “Who do I get to kill?”

  15. Tony Aroma says:

    What? Am I reading this correctly? DARE is linking to an article advocating legalization?!?! As a means to reduce kids’ drug use?!?!? I’m confused.

    Purchasing marijuana puts kids at risk

    I support legalization precisely because I want to reduce youths’ drug use. Drug dealers don’t care about a customer’s age. The answer isn’t prohibition and incarceration; the answer is regulation and education.

    • DdC says:

      Purchasing marijuana puts kids at risk
      Posted on July 27, 2015 by D.A.R.E.
      in Drug Legalization and Student Drug Use, Hometown, Ohio, Spotlight

      Your link leads to…
      Sorry, no posts matched your criteria. but it is cached here

      • Tony Aroma says:

        The link was bad because DARE removed the post. Oops! Guess they should have actually read the article, not just the title.

        D.A.R.E. Accidentally Publishes Pro-Marijuana Legalization Post

        However, on Tuesday the group confirmed to Washington Post writer Christopher Ingraham — whom D.A.R.E. inexplicably addressed as “Scott” — that the post was a mistake and “we do not support legalization.” The spokesman said the letter’s title, “Purchasing Marijuana Puts Kids At Risk,” likely led someone to believe that its content was anti-legalization.

  16. DonDig says:

    This is kinda OT, and I’m almost embarrassed to admit it, but the comments on the Huff Post article about Christie cracking down on legalized pot once he’s Pres are some of the funniest stuff I’ve ever read. (There’s a lot of stuff that also makes sense, of course, and hardly any agreement with him, but the funny stuff is out of this world, to me anyway. Maybe I lead a sheltered life.)

    • kaptinemo says:

      I keep saying they’ll act crazier and crazier. Not all the nuts are in the trees, not all the loons are in the lake, and now, we have walking whales.

      The prohibs are becoming exactly as predicted, an ever-devolving political and social version of a carnival freak show. I fully expect that prohib glossolalia (why not; the BS has lost its whammy) before Congress will soon be covered on the 11PM news.

  17. Duncan20903 says:


    Well yesterday was a red letter day.

    Ohio cop indicted on murder charge in traffic stop shooting

    CINCINNATI (AP) — A University of Cincinnati police officer who shot a motorist during a traffic stop over a missing front license plate was indicted Wednesday on a murder charge, with a prosecutor saying the officer “purposely killed him” and “should never have been a police officer.”

    “He fell backward after he shot (DuBose) in the head,” [Hamilton County prosecutor Joe] Deters said, adding that it was a “chicken crap” traffic stop.

    Is “chicken crap” some kind of highly arcane, technical legal terminology? I don’t think I’ve ever heard a prosecutor use that phrase before today.

    The really super weird part is that his body cam didn’t malfunction and the video is in evidence against him. Add a charge of aggravated stupidity against the cop, will ya?

    That’s at least two cops charged with murder this year, both based on video evidence. The first was video recorded with a privately owned smart phone. I suppose we’re going to see the police even more resistant to wearing body cams. What was the question I’ve heard them ask so many times? Oh right, that question was “if you don’t have anything to hide, why would you mind if we looked?”

  18. Nobody says:

    The plastic faced fish-wife of the man who sang “Sweet Leaf” is against legalization.

    Because having a lame, dysfunctional druggy family gives her the right to dictate the lives of others.

    I’m going to burn all my Sabbath albums and listen to Maiden.

    • tensity1 says:

      LOL. No no no! Stop with the blasphemy. Listen to Maiden then come back to Sabbath. When Ozzy says that shit then . . . hell, give him a pass and don’t burn ’em. Too good.

    • Duncan20903 says:


      My wife used to watch their reality show. Ozzie’s notion of quitting drugs was switching to pharmaceuticals. I particularly recall one show were he was walking around in the bushes trying to find a cat, there was no doubt in my mind that he was just totally wasted. That man has to be the basis for the Boomhauer character in “King of the Hill”. How the heck he can sing so well but sounds like he has a mouth full of rock when he’s talking is beyond my ken.
      Boomhauer calls 911 (King Of The Hill)

      But don’t punish Ozzie because of Sharon. She is his ex-wife. Were I so inclined I could argue a very compelling case that she married him for profit. I’ve heard people say that Ozzie was pretty much at rock bottom and it was her business acumen that rebuilt his brand. Once she had enough money she dumped him. I don’t know if that’s true but it really is consistent with Ozzie’s career time line.

  19. NorCalNative says:

    darkcycle, thought your swimming skills were better-than-average at least. How’s your new headband fitting?

    • darkcycle says:

      Why it’s just dandy. Found a real keeper in those seeds. And it’s some really nice smoke, I’ll be hanging on to this one.

  20. tensity1 says:

    John Husted of Ohio is such a turd, but I have to wonder if he’s just quite representative of the citizens there. I understand the whole monopoly/oligopoly thing sticks in the craw of many people, but the fact that so many people would rather continue with prohibition boggles my mind. It isn’t as if the number of growers couldn’t be amended down the line, and I think I had even read Duncan commenting somewhere about severability in the initiative.

    Anyway, Husted’s hardball tactics in trying to prevent ResponsibleOhio’s initiative from making the ballot is probably all for naught, being that they just turned in an additional 95,572 signatures to make up for the 29,509 shortfall. RO probably knew some shit like this was going to happen and had the extra signatures ready.


    Husted’s head is probably exploding about now.

    • Duncan20903 says:


      The ResponsibleOhio dog and pony show has just been a freak show. I’m actually more inclined to believe that Mr. Husted had legitimate cause to initiate the investigation. What tips the scale was the RO director was complaining that RO was the one that complained about the inconsistencies for which they’re being investigated. A couple of web searches finds Mr. Husted warning them about inconsistencies in the middle of June, long before the final count was in. I just plain dislike and don’t trust the people in charge of this initiative’s campaign.

      The Amendment

      (K) Self-Executing, Severability, Conflicting Provisions, and Enactment of Law

      All provisions of this section are self-executing except as specified herein, are severable, and, except where otherwise indicated in the text, shall supersede all conflicting state and local laws, charters and regulations or other provisions of this constitution. The general assembly may pass laws implementing the provisions of this section that are not in conflict with its provisions. Nothing in this section requires the violation of federal law or purports to give immunity under federal law.

      Gosh I hate legal mumbo jumbo. That clause may be saying that previously adopted Amendments to the State Constitution are superseded. The Legislature is arguing that their anti-oligopoly Amendment will obviate RO’s proposed oligopoly because a Legilatively referred Amendment takes effect immediately after the vote is certified by the SoS, but citizen generated initiatives take effect 30 days after certification. But that language might be interpreted to cancel the anti-oligopoly Amendment since it will be in the Constitution 30 days before RO’s proposed Amendment. How the heck can the lawyers make their language look and sound so much like American English but it isn’t? Do I need to get a secret decoder ring or what?

      Christ, what a clusterfuck. I think that I’m still inclined to prefer that the Amendment not make the ballot. It would be a fairly compelling piece of evidence supporting the assertion that it’s not just a matter of dollars and cents when Kev-Kev or other prohibitionist parasites try to use that lame argument. If RO wins all of that twaddle will still be in Court in the year 2020. It’s better for us if it’s quickly forgotten.

      • tensity1 says:

        Well, Hell’s bells, Duncan, now my head’s about to ‘splode.

        Thanks for your viewpoint.

  21. Mouth says:

    OT–Cop shoots unarmed 19yr teen from behind, twice–killing him . . . and the victim was wearing the other skin color this time, instead of black or brown and he was killed for an amount of pot small enough that his female passenger was able to bail out of jail with relative ease. It appears the whole narcotics sting was an investigation into dismantling the ‘middle man’ who can get you pot from his buddy’s dealer etc–for those that like to pack a pipe full of pot for personal use, as opposed to packing a car trunk full of pot for financial gain. Murdered because this kid was trying to help you and me score a couple of buds of weed from someone he knew.

  22. Servetus says:

    The Battle of the DEA has begun:

    “The DEA is no longer sacrosanct,” Rep. Steve Cohen (D-Tenn.) tells Politico.

    No longer sacrosanct. Nice choice of words. All political signs point toward a government that would really rather not answer questions about screwed up drug enforcement policies in the coming 2016 election cycle. They’re doing some House cleaning before the voters arrive.

    House cleaning can, if prompted, turn into the Drug War’s version of the Battle for Berlin, with the DEA reenacting Berlin’s unfortunate historic role. We should seek nothing less than the dismantlement of the entire DEA/NIDA/ONDCP complex, to be replaced by greater drug freedom, and laws for people, not people for laws.

    We must also seek assistance from the international community to put pressure on Washington to mend its culture, such that there can be no doubt the necessary change has indeed been fulfilled. Only a revolutionary new drug policy freed from superstition and authoritarianism can succeed for future generations. Such a goal requires the DEA to disappear into the dustbin of history.

  23. Karen Muller says:


    • Duncan20903 says:


      But how much caster oil does he run through every week? You know they make ricin out of that stuff don’t you? Personally I hate furniture with casters because the oil stains my carpets.

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