Open Thread

bullet image Legislators Ask Why Mexicans Should Die Over A Drug the U.S. is Legalizing

Good question.

“Why is it that Mexico has to keep filling up with dead bodies and addicts, when in the United States the drug is becoming legal?” Delgado said in an interview with The Huffington Post.

The federal bill would legalize possession of up to 30 grams of weed, permit the use of medical marijuana and make it legal to grow the plant. The national proposal is designed to work in conjunction with a bill filed to the Mexico City council that would go a step further by legalizing outlets where people could legally buy weed from a government-certified independent vendor.

bullet image Guy W. Farmer: Government turns blind eye to pot dangers

This one has all the fun stuff, including Kevin Sabet and John Walters.

bullet image Marijuana raid in Bates County illustrates the evolution of an issue

Yes, the times are changing. We still have a long way to go, but such thinking was unimaginable a few short years ago.

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23 Responses to Open Thread

  1. DdC says:

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  2. Irie says:

    On the Guy W. Farmer complete-pile-of-crap article…….really, you think that back in 1970 the infamous Maui Wowi wasn’t as good as today’s potency levels???….okay, I’ll throw it out to you couchmates, am I correct and true in saying Maui Wowi was and still is top-o-the-line in rating of preference and likes, and not every “pothead” (I detest with the way he refers to us in this manner), are “just Kids” getting high. I pride my self in being a full grown adult female who consciously chooses to relax and help me sleep with ganga. I consciously choose to not drink, so this wind bag Mr. Guy W. Farmer has absolutely no basis in anything other than he just plain wants control over all sectors of people…..this douchbag (yes, I believe I can call him that) needs to get a refund on the hat! lol.

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    • Common Science says:

      Paid my dollar to have my say, but the Nevada Appeal says I live in the wrong state:

      “Guy W. Farmer was a foot soldier in the international War on Drugs in seven countries during his diplomatic career.”

      A devout Drug War foot soldier who no doubt hid in the hyperbolic jungle for forty years. He seems to be under the impression that the honourable commander Harry Anslinger had mandated that he should only come out of hiding and strike with every anachronistic shortcoming at precise opportunities.

      This is not one of them.

      Emperor Shen-Nung (whose name ironically means ‘Divine Farmer’) normalized the medicinal properties of cannabis in China almost 5,000 years ago. Most prescribed treatments were ingested, as opposed to being smoked. The American custom of smoking has not been the most common delivery of its cannibinoid and THC ingredients for most of its long history of usage. Cannabis was in the American Pharmacopeia since 1840 and dispensed to approximately 80% of households as a tincture by all the major drug companies of the day.

      Believe it or not Mr Farmer, cannabis edibles were prevalent right into the mid 20th century. The majority of cannabis usage to that point in the world, was by the consumption of prepared confections and drinks, mainly from the family kitchens of Africa and India. And please, rest assured – this fledgling re-legalization is more tightly regulated than the Fracking Industry.

    • darkcycle says:

      Maui Wowie was one of the tops. But what you had access to was also dependent on where you lived in relation to the smuggling routes. We used to get the Santa Marta Gold (can’t even get that in Columbia anymore I hear), and the Jamaican. Thai stick and V.N. Black used to show up ’till the end of Viet Nam closed that corridor down. But there certainly were some 20+% strains around. I STILL remember the Black. That stuff would incapacitate you.

      • claygooding says:

        The VN Black is what I broke my teeth in on,,it and some other local strains in VN that never got a name but were just as awesome,,,and you could buy a rolled pack of Salems cigs filled with marijuana for $5 MPC or take a chance on a taxi driver and get anywhere from an oz to a quarter pound for $5,,I remember the first cabbie that handed me a quarter lb for $5,,it scared me bad,,how was I going to get this much pot past the gate guards,,,famous for searching bulging GI’s returning late at night from the bars,,I finally had the cabbie drop me at the last bar before the gate and walked out back and hid most of it and just made three trips the next day bringing it in.

        Ahhh,,the good old days.

      • NorCalNative says:

        Is this the signup sheet for Santa Marta Gold or is the Thai Stick line?

        That first introduction to Cannabis Indica through the Thai weed was a significant milestone for me.

        Sharing a border with Mexico we used to get some butt-ugly stinking compact bricks of shit. You could smoke it but it was closer to hemp than cannabis.

        For commercial weed the Santa Marta Gold was an elite variety.

    • allan says:

      Any of the, uh, older smot poking couch folk will give and have given testimony to the longtime existence of top notch pot. My preference was Thai, even the seedy local pot when I was stationed there was fantabulous (12″ and longer colas, sticky and good). And good hash has been around for a long time and it takes good pot to make good hash.

      But then we’ve grown quite used to their lying, cheatin’ ways. That’s why their losing. Sour grapes from Mr Farmer.

    • Duncan20903 says:


      Now, now, you people need to quit being so mean to Mr. Farmer. He believes that cannabis was invented in 1964 by an unholy alliance between the Beatles and Bob Dylan. Then the potency was increased by uncountable thousands of percents in 1981 when Cheech & Chong hired a mad scientist to do their dirty work.

      Here’s the “evidence” which convinces anyone who hasn’t read “How to Lie with Statistics” by Darrell Huff:

      Marijuana legalization opponent Heidi Heilman says today’s marijuana is three to eight times stronger than in the past”

      The really frustrating part for me is that usually Politifact doesn’t get wholly fooled like they did in the article linked. Cannabis had THC levels of 0.18% (zero point one eight percent)??? Holy mary mother of god how the heck did they even have the nerve to try to perpetrate such an absurd number onto the public? Were they just trying to prove H.L. Mencken wrong? Well if so, it backfired and blew up in their faces because the public fell for it. Dr. Assholey strikes again.

  3. claygooding says:

    I bought the shake off a quarter pound of Maui from a college professor,,the only people tracking the “high grade” in those days were the bikers,educators and some musicians,,if you had contacts with them you could get the Acapulco Gold,Red Bud Colombian and Maui,,,otherwise it was grocery bags of stalks,flowers and seeds.
    The Maui shake was better than the buds of the Red Bud and the Red Bud would put you to sleep if you smoked too much,,,same as some of the strains do me now. A half joint is as much as I ever saw anyone smoke of Maui by themselves without sitting there and letting it go out.

  4. NorCalNative says:

    The article about Mexico makes a very important point that often gets overlooked.

    Removing cannabis from law enforcement would leave a MUCH SMALLER drug-using population.

    So small in actual numbers that most folks would likely realize how INAPPROPRIATE the continuance of the drug war spending would be based on such a limited population.

    CANNABIS is COVER for the very existence of the drug war. Remove it and there’s just not enough other drug users to support the existence of such a massive and expensive law enforcement effort.

    The Guy Famer article highlights another point. Prohibitionist’s use developing teen brains and supposed attacks on I.Q. points as a reason that cannabis is bad for you. I find it interesting that it seems that EVERY person who holds this view also SUPPORTS the teaching of “intelligent design” and Biblical math.

    What hurts teen’s mental development worse?

    Cannabis and evolution, or no cannabis and intelligent design?

  5. Servetus says:

    What happens if you’re a 70-year-old retired executive and your only problem is you have Colorado license plates on your truck? Why, you get, illegally detained and searched for trafficking marijuana, of course. The story has a happy ending. The Idaho cops are being sued.

    • allan says:

      oh oh, a new category of driver profiling, DWC – Driving While Coloradan. Bet it becomes a bigger problem then DWH – Driving While High

      • Windy says:

        After having read that article, hubby and I will be avoiding Idaho on our way to Utah, not going to take any chances with losing our freedom, our RV or our beloved dogs just to make the trip shorter. Because we have WA plates, and WA is a legalized State ID cops will be doing the same to WA drivers.

        • Duncan20903 says:


          I’ve heard that the Utah JBTs are at or near the bottom of the barrel in their own right.

          What the heck is wrong with California? You can get there without crossing the plane of any uncivilized State.

    • primus says:

      He should be encouraged to sue for a very large number of dollars–enough that the insurance company doesn’t cover and the taxpayers must make up the difference. That is the only way to get their attention and generate interest in making changes.

  6. free radical says:

    I’m curious why we’re not talking more about this:
    A challenge to the very constitutionality of prohibition, in light of the mountains of evidence that prove beyond all doubt, that cannabis is incorrectly scheduled.
    This should be huge news heard around the world, yet nary a peep from the media. As always, it falls to us, the citizens, to disseminate the relevant news.

    This could mean the end of cannabis prohibition in California in June 2014. And we all know the domino effect that California’s changes to the law have across the country. Cannabis prohibition may be struck down as unconstitutional in state after state just like bans on same-sex marriage.

    I’m trying not to get my hopes up too high, but after reading the legal briefs, it looks bad for the federal government. The defense(our side)’s case seems airtight to me, the government’s opposition statement is predictably hypocritical and dismissive. I realize I’m biased, but how can a federal court possibly uphold prohibition, if they openly and honestly examine the evidence, which this court is sworn to do?

  7. mike says:

    finally some good news out of New Jersey, as usual Krispy Christie wont “let it happen on his watch” but its a step in the right direction.

  8. DdC says:

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