Hemp progress

Congress warms up to research on hemp

WASHINGTON — Hemp is a big winner in the new farm bill that passed the U.S. House of Representatives on Wednesday.

While Congress has shown little interest in legalizing marijuana, members are warming up to industrial hemp, pot’s nonintoxicating sister plant. […]

The farm bill would allow state departments of agriculture, colleges and universities to grow hemp for academic, research and marketing purposes in states that have voted to make cultivation legal.

Besides California and Kentucky, the measure would apply to Colorado, Maine, Montana, North Dakota, Oregon, Vermont and West Virginia, said Tom Murphy, the national outreach coordinator for Vote Hemp, an organization that backs legalization.

Naturally, Kevin Sabet had to get in on the action…

Kevin Sabet, the director of the University of Florida Drug Policy Institute and a former adviser on drug issues for Obama, said people could easily grow marijuana and hide it under the guise of hemp, frustrating law-enforcement efforts.

“This is purely a political move to further a pro-marijuana agenda,” Sabet said. “It has little to do with actually farming hemp, since the demand for that is so low. But in some states that need help on the job front, it’s good politics to claim that allowing this will create jobs. The sad truth is that it will do no such thing.”

Not only does he imply that law enforcement is too stupid to do their job, but he appears to be running off his mouth without even knowing the contents of the bill. He really gets more pathetic (and desperate) by the day.


Speaking of pathetic…

Check out the new billboard ad from Project SAM set to compete with the Marijuana Policy Project billboards:


It’s pathetic in a number of ways, not the least of which is the amateurish design.

According to the press release:

The ad is funded by Policy Solutions Group, Inc., a consulting company headed up by Dr. Sabet that sponsors Project SAM.

Based on an internet search for Policy Solutions Group, Inc., it appears that the company essentially only exists in Kevin’s bio. So who is funding Kevin?


Oh, and guess what? Now Kevin wants to compete with Marijuana Majority

Sabet says SAM soon will unveil a new site of its own that will clarify who’s against legalization.

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138 Responses to Hemp progress

  1. primus says:

    This is so obviously a direct take-off of the ads MPP ran with a footballer, a drunk and a victory leaf with the word safer beneath it. Amateurish? Exactly. Trying to use the enemy’s ammunition against him (us) and failing. Badly.

    • kaptinemo says:

      “Sabet says SAM soon will unveil a new site of its own that will clarify who’s against legalization.”

      Now, this exemplifies what you’re saying. They are so dumb, they think we need a scorecard? As if we didn’t know who the major ‘players’ were? (And not the public mask, either, but the ones ‘behind the curtain’.)

      Hopelessly, hopelessly outclassed. The Black Knight from Monty Python’s Holy Grail movie would stand a better chance…

    • Fallibilist says:

      Who’s funding Kevin?

      My guess is Mel Sembler. Probably also Mitt Romney (after laundering it via some financial shenanigans to make sure no one knows about his Puritan Jihad.)

  2. strayan says:

    Keep digging Kevin.

  3. Plant Down Babylon says:

    It’s actually embarrassing and sad….

    At what point do you realize you are so fucked up on your values and what your original intent was.

    It’s not a big deal to just admit you’re WAAAY off your initial goal and now you’re just operating on ego and fear of being shamed.

    Drug free is a personal choice Kev. Glad u made yours.

    Now, Let us MAKE OUR OWN CHOICE!!

  4. kaptinemo says:

    “Fanaticism consists of redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim.” – George Santayana

    And when the ‘aim’ is the continuance of a demonstrably racist, bigoted and prejudiced national policy that has caused literally countless tragedies in its’ wake? You can expect that fanaticism to expand exponentially…in direct proportion to the injustices caused by said fanatics that must be rectified at the end of that national policy.

    Of course he’s getting more nervous. As he becomes more nervous, he’ll make more mistakes…like this one. They still don’t understand: The Internet is forever. The long trail of identifiable prohib PR failures alone is enough to prove just how hopelessly out-classed they are. Like wasting a billion dollars on an ad campaign that backfired by getting kids more interested in drugs and then being taken to the cleaners by the company they hired.

    (All while young Kevvie was ‘advising’ ONDCP on ‘media communications’; as they used to say about Nixon back in the day, “Would you buy a used car from this man?”)

    And, contrary to their own propaganda, cannabis consumers are not mentally debilitated by their choice of intoxicant…we have long memories of those injustices. He and his kind have much to atone for, and they’re trying to forestall that as much as possible.

  5. cj says:

    The balko piece kinda pissed me off. I have increasingly less and less patience (I am a junkie after all so I don’t have patience or time to begin with because I am constantly sick in pain and scheming to get money) for the division made between soft and so called hard drugs. Can we not agree our position is about freedom? What does it matter which drugs are hard, soft, mushy, strawberry scented, which ones work well with trance or techno which ones gel best with the almand bros I mean ethan nadelmann himself says that he tells his colleagues who say “we gotta liberate weed and crack down on the bad stuff” and ethan tells them to shut up. I can tell you only this and its just a story from my life not biblical fact and that’s that alot of the people I know and see every day have all been former heavy smokers who have deliberately chosen to stop smoking in favor of what mark renton would call in a scotty accent “somethin else” and its because they like it better. Sure when prohibition runs its course and hurts you so you will hear incessant stories about the glory days, does this sound familiar to any junkies out there: “I don’t know why I got back into this, everything was so much better when I just smoked trees everyday, I wish I could go back to that.” But they never do because deep down inside they just like the poppy better. It is better but to match its greatness is the equally powerful withdrawal. Its a hell of a price sure. Ive never been a true threat to the public except after smoking weed because I no longer had control of my motor skills.

    • War Vet says:

      Marijuana legalization is the gateway legislation to the rest. Even if it cannot be legalized, it wouldn’t be illogical to assume decriminalization. Its not just legalizing stuff, but the prohibition of drug money’s ability to fund genocide, rape, war, murder, recession and corruption.

  6. Howard says:

    Well, Kevin is not going to like this;


    Thanks Dr. Aggarwal. It’s nice to get the truth from a real doctor. Much appreciated.

  7. ezrydn says:

    It hasn’t clicked in poor Kev-Kev’s peabrain that without hemp, we wouldn’t still have America’s first flags, the Declaration if Independence nor the original US Constitution. He not only missed out on Science, he seems to have slept through History.

    • claygooding says:

      History is not a required course for politicians,bureaucrats and slugs,,kev would love to be a bureaucrat but bureauscat is all he ever was,

  8. Let’s see Kevin debate Michael Phelps, and attempt to downplay his accomplishments as some “aberration”.

  9. thelbert says:

    i guess he missed the suicide of Junior Seau from football induced brain damage. how was that a good thing, kev? prohibitches are backstabbers.

  10. allan says:

    Theatre of the Absurd indeed.

    I find it simply amazing these folks still keep finding ways to totally embarrass themselves publicly (makes ‘L’ sign on forehead). Good lord. No self-respecting, pot smoking graphic artist could live with that!

    • claygooding says:

      kev didn’t want to spend any of the SAM money and he let frum and kennedy do it with his kids crayons and cheap Sharpies,,if he hadn’t been saving so much he would have turned the lights on,,but I think kev knows where this is going,,he is cutting back on spending so he will have something to live on because we know he didn’t pay unemployment insurance for SAM.
      Either his backers are closing the purse strings or kev is pigeon holing funds.

      • Adobedoug says:

        You may be on to something Clay, Kev seems to have run out of funds for the drive-by thumbs down guy as well.

  11. Jose says:

    Seems they have managed to drum up a body? Interesting how they are sure to mention “christian” and “churgoer” etc.
    Marijuana Tragedy: Christian mother of three dies

    • Howard says:

      Yeah, a christian died from “hemp”.

      You know why I trust this story completely? It comes from “The 6th Most Visited Newspaper Website In Nigeria”.

      A Pulitzer Prize is definitely on the way…

    • Servetus says:

      Now we know. Nigerian pot is killer stuff.

      • claygooding says:

        pot causes depression,,,how can you be depressed and laugh at the same time,,pot treats depression,,safely.

    • B. Snow says:

      That “report” is fishy as hell.

      “Tests of her vital organs found nothing wrong with them although it was suggested she might have suffered a cardiac arrest triggered by cannabis toxicity.”

      So she might have died from cannabis use – maybe or maybe she just had a heart attack out of the blue, or had really high or low Potassium levels, or any of a dozen or so other things!

      Now, I can’t say for certain which would/wouldn’t leave some sort of evidence or not but “cardiac arrest” means her heart stopped beating.

      They go a LONG way to try and support what appears to be the coroner’s “guess” – or I’d suggest maybe even someone whose been hoping to find a case like this ‘forever’…

      It’s broken down to a fair degree – Here:
      Cannabis Death Inquest Verdict Of Gemma Moss, Dismissed By Campaign Group

      Sorry, that’s the best link I could find, and I honestly don’t know how to shorten it.

      I think it could just as have easily been that “…Moss was stressed about her benefit money being stopped and because her son had been excluded from school.”

      And, the story mentions her talking about trying to stop smoking a bunch – relies on a few second-hand accounts of information that can’t ever be proven.

      She’d, “She suffered from depression and was on prescription drugs to try and deal with that although it would not appear she was taking them at the time of her death.”
      What? How wasn’t that in the toxicology report, and there were other coroners quoted in the article saying it wasn’t likely due to cannabis – that unexplained ‘sudden cardiac arrest’ (without leaving physical signs of the cause) does happen.

      The fact that they fall back on ‘Well, there was this other person – a 36 year guy – back in 2004, that died from cannabis toxicity as well.’

      The whole thing positively REEKS of quality cow manure.

      Having a Quote from this lady:

      Lucy Dawe, from the anti-cannabis group Cannabis Skunk Sense, said: ‘People who are pro-cannabis will say it won’t kill any body but unfortunately it does.

      ‘It is very upsetting because we now have three young people with no mother and the mother probably thought she was doing something perfectly safe.

      ‘Along with death, cannabis can also cause a lot of other problems like psychosis, chronic depression, strokes, and anxiety.


      Never-mind, that most of those other health issues she’s suggesting come from cannabis use – could be the actual source of the cardiac arrest, among many other possibilities… Like, the prolonged sleep-deprivation/(aka) the aforementioned insomnia she had been dealing with.
      Even if this isn’t opportunistic moralist “spin”, the odds of it occurring again are slim. People who smoke regularly have been shown a decrease in heart rate and/or blood pressure.
      In fact I’d say fainting (and falling) is the most realistic ‘danger’ related to smoking marijuana.

      I can say from experience, Don’t hit the (3-liter soda bottle + white ‘pickle-bucket’) gravity bong & then immediately stand-up!
      You can fall over and feel like someone hit the “reset button”… That was fairly unique experience.

      Still, I can’t believe anything that includes quotes from the = anti-cannabis “Cannabis Skunk Sense” group
      Sorry, but (IMO) this ‘Lucy’ sounds like she rode the “short-bus” when she was in school.

      • Nunavut Tripper says:

        Gemma Moss was a healthy 31 year old plus an experienced toker and she dropped dead ? Ya right.

        Maybe if she was a 92 year on her first trip to a dab lounge.. just maybe.

    • darkcycle says:

      I saw this at another site (Business insider) and it only takes one little linky to put that entire report out with the cat: http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/98/21/2334.full

      • Servetus says:

        Sudden cardiac death is usually how the men in my family die; while tying their shoes some sunny morning, or biting into a peach. It mostly happens in their late 80s, not their 30s. It’s all a genetic crap shoot. C’est la vie.

        • allan says:

          amen to that

        • DdC says:

          Tests of her vital organs found nothing wrong
          believed – suggested – might have

          If they took Oprah to court for talking negatively about beef. Why can’t we sue Sabet and this Quack for the same thing? Lying about Hemp or Ganja and lying on a death certificate should be the crime…

        • Windy says:

          Same is true of my dad’s family, and not only the men but the women, too, though most of them also lived into their eighties. And my dad’s first cousin just turned 96, she’s still getting around, two years ago (before she fell on an icy street and broke her hip) she was still climbing up on her own roof to clean off moss and clear her gutters. I expect that will be my end as well, hopefully it will happen when I am asleep rather than driving or doing something else that could endanger others by my sudden inattention.

  12. Servetus says:

    “This [hemp legalization] is purely a political move to further a pro-marijuana agenda,” said a defeated and paranoid Kevin Sabet.

    Hemp farmers were beaten to the punch. Recreational marijuana was re-legalized in the U.S. prior to the current farm bill’s legalization of USDA hemp test-beds. Legal hemp was recently grown in Colorado for the first time in decades as a consequence of Amendment 64. So how does legalizing hemp help Colorado and Washington now that they’ve legalized pot, or the rest of the drug legalization movement? Besides an expanding hemp market, all I foresee are conflicts between hemp farmers and marijuana growers over unwanted hemp pollen dispersals.

    Hemp fibers have superior abrasion resistance, (to prove it, try snagging hemp with a sharp instrument). Abrasion resistance means hemp products are highly wear resistant. I look forward to hemp fiber comprising all or part of my clothing in the near future. Sabet can keep his synthetic polyester, and the brimming waste-landfills synthetic fibers create.

  13. Tom Murphy says:

    I had a good time with the McClatchy interview.

  14. Steve Finlay says:

    Actually, Kevin is funded by our hemp farmers up here in Canada, who are really, really enjoying their near monopoly in serving that “low” demand he’s talking about.

  15. Howard says:

    Jared Polis in the McClatchy article;

    “Many of the founding fathers, including George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, grew hemp, and some of the first American flags were made of hemp,” Polis said in a statement. “Is Michele Leonhart embarrassed by Betsy Ross, Thomas Jefferson and George Washington?”

    [Excellent burn, Jared!]

    The DEA didn’t respond to a request for comment.

  16. primus says:

    Now the politicians are joining in on our game of internet whack-a-mole. About time. Watch them blame the bureaucrats for the stalling, at the same time they shuffle and jive to ‘evolve’ and ‘reposition’ themselves on this matter.

  17. claygooding says:

    The first few candidates that starts losing voters to reform candidates will cause an epidemic of,,yeah we smoked pot in college and nobody was hurt by it,,but it was not todays pot,,we just smoked Maui Wowee and Panama Red.
    We don’t know enough about marijuana to stop prohibiting it,,which will result in more reformers winning in their races in a lot of states,,which will cause politicians to realize their opinion on pot doesn’t mean squat,,I don’t think the Reptiles or the Dimwits will realize it before it’s too late,,I look for more Green Party and Libertarians in congress

  18. War Vet says:

    And Oklahoma is fighting hard this time with SB 2116 to legalize marijuana. No medical baby steps, but total legalization. All thanks to Norma Sapp and Senator, Constance Johnson. The politicians in Oklahoma need to hear from you guys. Each new bill gets us closer to ending this.

    • allan says:

      the sound of many hammers swinging…

    • Freeman says:

      That amazes me! I live near the MO/KS border and around here it’s well-known that you carry weed into OK very carefully, if at all. I’m surprised they’re considering legal mj at all. If it passes, there’s hope after all for my state, maybe even soon.

      • War Vet says:

        William S. Burroughs buddy did hard long time for a joint back in the 70’s or was it the 80’s in Oklahoma.

  19. Nick says:

    I love watching Sabet squirm like the worm he is at the tides changing. It would be adorable, if people like him hadn’t ruined so many lives.

  20. Jeff Trigg says:

    “Kevin Sabet, the director of the University of Florida Drug Policy Institute and a former adviser on drug issues for Obama, said people could easily grow marijuana and hide it under the guise of hemp, frustrating law-enforcement efforts.”

    1) The University of Florida should be boycotted by all drug war reformers and be scorned in all relevant conversations.
    2) Obama has always been an evil, partisan idiot
    3) Today, Jacob Sullum at Reason’s blog listed the countries where hemp is currently being grown. Australia, Austria, Canada, Chile, China, Denmark, Egypt, Finland, France, Germany, Great Britain, Hungary, India, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Slovenia, South Korea, Spain, Switzerland, Thailand, Turkey, and Ukraine.

    Kevin Sabet, please provide even one example from the rest of the world that grows hemp where marijuana is being hidden under the guise of hemp and frustrating law-enforcement, or shut your lying face and stop spreading your utter bullshit about hemp.

    4) Is there a non-partisan “journalist” anywhere out there with half a brain who will point out how full of shit and lacking of any credibility Kevin Sabet really is?

    Sabet also claims it won’t create jobs. Reason mentioned that too.

    “In 2011,” A.P. notes, “the U.S. imported $11.5 million worth of legal hemp products, up from $1.4 million in 2000.”

    Not much, but it has, can, and will keep creating jobs, proving Sabet a liar without credibility once again.


    • allan says:

      you type faster… 🙂 and I’m on dial-up, funny how those memes travel. Same thought and almost the same time, not bad.

    • DdC says:

      “In 2011,” A.P. notes, “the U.S. imported $11.5 million worth of legal hemp products, up from $1.4 million in 2000.”

      OK so who is picking numbers out of hats?

      Manitoba hemp firm plans growth

      Hermann said sales of hemp food products in the U.S. reached $500 million in 2012 and Canada is the major supplier to that market.

      As a result, Canadian hemp acres have increased dramatically over the last several years.

      Hemp Oil Canada Ranks No. 261 on the 2013 PROFIT 500 June 03, 2013

      “The amount of growth we have seen over our entire 15 years in business is truly remarkable. What started as a small entrepreneurial venture has grown into a multi-million dollar operation,” says Jodi Cloutier, Director of Operations.

      Shop for U.S. imported Hemp


      Our Hemp range is heavy-duty hydration for very dry, overexposed skin. Treat face, hands, body and more. Our Community Fair Trade hemp seed oil comes from England. It’s pressed from hemp plants grown by family farmers.

      High on Hemp

      United States National Institute of Health, University of Mississippi marijuana plantation site, showing variation in plant size. A tall fiber-type of hemp plant is shown at left, and a short narcotic variety (identified as “Panama Gold”) at right.

      Thanks SAM… How can they be homeless if they can grow homes? D’oh!

      Can I use hemp as a building material and to insulate my house?

      Since it’s still illegal to cultivate hemp, many U.S. suppliers are forced to import industrial hemp products. And the price for importing hemp building materials can be staggering,

      Approximately 70-80% of the stalk is composed of hurds or the woody inner portion.
      Essentially, hurds are the by-products of extracting the bast fibers from the stalk. Hurds are 50- 70% cellulose, lending itself to paper, particle board, biodegradable plastics, and animal bedding(most of the hemp grown in the United Kingdom is for the horse industry) uses.

      Seeds and Oil
      Similar to soybeans, pressed hemp seeds are comprised of seed oil and seed cake (or meal). The seed is approximately 30-35% oil by weight and can be used for: food (the oil is over 70% polyunsaturated or cholesterol-fighting essential fatty acids and contains all 8 essential amino acids); fuel (mixed with 15% methanol for fuel 70% cleaner than petroleum diesel); and paints and varnishes. The seed cake contains 25% protein and can be used as a supplement to wheat flour. The whole seeds can be eaten (20% high-quality digestible complete protein) by humans and used for bird seed.

      Hemp stalk averages around 20-30% bast fiber (the strong woody fiber obtained chiefly from the phloem of plants). The basic markets for bast fibers include specialty textiles, papers (including specialty and recycled papers) and cordage (such as rope). Specialty papers include teabag paper, cigarette paper, carbon tissues and condensing tissues.


      • DdC says:

        ☀People could easily grow marijuana and hide it under the guise of hemp, frustrating law-enforcement efforts.
        ☀This is purely a political move to further a pro-marijuana agenda,
        ☀It has little to do with actually farming hemp, since the demand for that is so low.
        ☀It’s good politics to claim that allowing this will create jobs. The sad truth is that it will do no such thing.”
        ☀ Kevin Sabet,
        the director of the University of Florida Drug Policy Institution

        Occupy Florida! Thousands of angry protesters at the gates of the University of Florida Drug Policy Institution over lies from Sabet taking food from babies who’s parents are trying to sell their superior hemp products from blue jeans to waffles. Distracting from the truth doing direct harm to family farmers and local entrepreneurs throughout the country. Such a disgraceful abomination of America and its ideals. Liar protecting his own greedy profits on treating the lies. Keeping the people addicted to harmful synthetic alternatives and profits for Big Pharma treating the sickness caused. This is nothing less than mass murder, leaning towards genocide.

        “Hemp is not economically feasible in the United States. . . it doesn’t even hold a crease.”
        – Gen. Barry McCaffrey, U.S. Drug Czar, 1998

        Due to the totally warped minds of the International profiteers or racketeers. Hemp causes half of the danger in cannabis taking profits from Big Ag Oil and Cattle. GanjaRx threatens “treatment powders” with cures and prevention. To top of with it being safer than cows farting let alone booze and chemical cigarettes and tobacco products of synthetic adulterations. Then compared to organic cannabis. . I don’t see the problem as needing more research or pleading for mercy or even acknowledging their gossip as anything worth debating. They are treasonous murderous lying cheating backstabbing leeches. Those who sit by or side with treasonous leeches are accomplices. The Ganjawar defines America mutating into a global gobble up while synthetic resources supplement reality with advertisements. The Prohibitches are simply protecting the Corporate Faux Prophets their profits. Dangling their political puppets and science fiction fast tracking products.

        Once again Kreepy Kevie,..

        A tall fiber-type of hemp plant is shown at left, and a short narcotic variety (identified as “Panama Gold”) at right.
        High on Hemp

        “We’ve got a national campaign by drug legalizers, in my view, to try and use medicinal uses of drugs and legalization of hemp as a stalking horse to get in under the radar screen.” “The voters in this country should not be expected to decide which medicines are safe and effective.
        — Drug Czar Barry McCaffrey

        “If people let government decide which foods they eat and medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny.”
        — Thomas Jefferson

        2013: ☛Texas cops raid farm commune when mistaking tomato plants for marijuana

        With Highly potent bright red round buds.

        ☛Woman sues after police mistake her sage for marijuana

        Shit Kevie, what do you get when you ban soap?
        SAM’s Bringing back the 60’s… From Nixon to Hippies.

        ☛Couple spends month in jail after cop mistakes soap for cocaine
        A New York couple spent nearly a month in jail after a Pennsylvania state trooper mistakenly identified two bricks of homemade soap as cocaine and arrested them for transporting the drug.

        WTF is it Keep off the grass or Don’t Step on the Daisy’s?

        ☛Lethbridge Pot Bust: Cops Actually Seized Daisies Not Cannabis
        Fifteen Hundred Plants Seized During “Biggest Outdoor Marijuana Bust” In Town’s History Are Actually Just Daisies

        Just plead the Dick Cheney defense.

        ☛Hunter mistakes a county cop for turkey

        Humm Kevie are you suggesting maybe they ban guns and turkey’s too?

        ☛Police Mistakenly Target CBS Reporter’s Home

        Ban CBS or all of the Alphabet channels?

        ☛Raid Of The Day: Sorry, Mr. Mayor (Again)

        Ban dogs, cops might mistake for drug cartel members. That is some serious fuckin up raiding the mayor twice.

        ☛Kansas couple: Indoor gardening prompted pot raid
        Two former CIA employees whose Kansas home was fruitlessly searched for marijuana

        Of coarse growing plants indoors is a sure sign of drug trafficking.

        Each totally caused by Prohibition. There ya go Kevie…
        Thank SAM and it’s Gossip crying wolf just to maintain profits.

        ☛Hibiscus mistaken for pot, home raided by police
        ☛How garden moss that smells like cannabis attracted police raid

        Balko: Garden of Eden’s Pot SWAT Raid Fits Scary Pattern; 50,000 SWAT Raids/Year

        Drugs vs. the drug war: A response to Michael Gerson
        By Radley Balko January 28 washingtonpost.com

  21. allan says:

    And I mean seriously?

    people could easily grow marijuana and hide it under the guise of hemp

    Kev, kev, kev… your dumb-assedness shines on this one! Getting down to your last rotten apples in that barrel full o’ lies aren’t you? You’re not really this stupid are you?

    • Freeman says:

      Nope, like most propagandists, he’s not that stupid, he just acts like it so he can identify with and more easily fool the uninformed.

      His problem is that the ranks of the uninformed are shrinking. Now that Sanjay Gupta has come out and admitted that he had been misinformed by propagandists, a much larger chunk of the public is realizing that the voices they’ve been listening to about drugs have been lying to them, and the drug reformers, long demonized by the propagandists, are more reliable sources of information.

    • kaptinemo says:

      No, don’t make the mistake of thinking him stupid. He isn’t.

      He’s hoping that his intended target audience is.

      Either stupid…or ignorant enough that he can exploit them as if they were stupid. Which gives you an idea of what kind of intelligence his brainpan houses.

      Another example of living, breathing moral relativism: he’ll continue as he always has, because his paycheck depends upon him rationalizing to himself that what he has always supported (and been handsomely paid for) was not intrinsically evil.

      And he will, like a lot of Nazis did, deny that what he did was evil to his dying day, refusing to look at the Himalaya-sized pile of evidence to the contrary.

      No matter. He, like the cause he supports, is history. That generational shift I keep talking about will render the old fogies of prohibition as politically impotent as their bodies are becoming. There’s damn’ few of the next generation who subscribe to the sick, twisted, racist tenets of prohibition. As an ideology, it’s moribund and heading for the boneyard. And any pol who subscribes to it will find their political careers joining it there, courtesy of the rising numbers of voters who support re-legalization.

      I said it back in 2009, and events since then have proven it true: OUR TIME HAS COME. Sabet and all his ilk are being given a chance to concede quietly and leave the field. They refuse to do so out of arrogance and an (unwarranted) sense of righteousness. Which will make their fall all that much sweeter.

      For, after that, after the the tumult and the shouting diescomes the reckoning

    • jean valjean says:

      well kev it has in fact been proved that some cannabis cultivation has been hidden in corn fields. why are you not proposing a ban on growing corn?

      • allan says:

        don’t forget closets! if your home has a closet it’s sufficient evidence for a warrant and a SWAT raid.

        oooh… and electricity! Put those two together and it’s got pot head written all over it.

    • claygooding says:

      First hemp grown for fiber production is gown with little spacing to reduce the plants drip line(circumference)reduced because of the root proximity causes plants to race for the sunlight and produce maximum fiber lengths,,no marijuana would be grown in a fiber production crop.
      Hemp grown for finer textiles are harvested 4 months after sprouting before plants start producing flowers and spaced close together,,no marijuana would be hidden in that crop because the marijuana would have to be left in the field after the hemp was harvested.
      That leaves the seed production crops which are planted the same pattern as a marijuana crop but law enforcement or an agriculture agency has 4>5 months to do a random walk though leaf gathering inspection to be sent to a lab to check for marijuana hidden in the crop.

  22. Freeman says:

    Jacob Sullum has a new post up about dueling billboards at the “stoner bowl”.

    I loved MPP’s ad in response to the SAM ad Pete posted above. Looks like the “safer choice” campaign has some real legs!

  23. DdC says:

    Run Kevie Run…

    How To Grow Pot Plants That Don’t Look Like Ganja

    ☛SAM said Chattahoochee police found three kids smoking pot that looked like bananas. One claimed “Dat ain’t No Banana, That’s My Nose hachachacha” Another had a cumquat, two kiwi’s and a large grapefruit were discovered nearby.

    ☛Other states report vegetables, legumes and even orchids, roses and tulips. Taking no chances SAM warns Big Marijuana can make pot look like anything.

    ☛The latest LAPD road side anal probe and piss sample found a pot delivery van made of Saudi Arabian Texicali Hashish.

    ☛SAM announced their pledge to ban all bottled water near schools since Big Moonshiners may be hiding it among the H2O.

    ☛A temporary ban on cooking herbs and spices has been ordered. Several spaghetti sauces had a green leafy substance resembling oregano.

    ☛SAM isn’t worried about the Pope giving kids Communion with MADDog 20 20, or Scope mouthwash and Vanilla extract isn’t plastered on their billboards. Next to Jesus Saves will be SAM Kills.

    ☛Near beer, candy cigarettes but no hemp lollipops. Too much nutrition isn’t good for Pharmaceutical treatments or Junk food SAM doesn’t fret over.

    ☛Florida is Obviously in need of Quarantine. Sabeteur, Calveenersnitzel, Rehab ASembler, Bill “Mary” Janes, McKillum, 4Mica, Jebby, Ricky Scott and Oxy Rush Limpbog. With Knewt and BobBarr across the border in GA.

    ☛These Paranoid Freaks with money and an over zealous addiction to control other people should not be allowed to spread any more than it has.

    ☛New outbreaks should be reported immediately.

    ☛Latest Bush shipment of coke fell from a cargo plane blanketing Atlanta with fake snow according to a spokesperson from the NIDA, Nora Velcro. Co-Scammers call her Nutty Nora.

    ☛In other news drivers were randomly checked for signs of happiness, relaxed composure and politeness. Upsetting the balance in road rage crash profits. A leading culprit was marijuana.

    ☛Cannabis kills mother as she took a toke a cop shot her in the face. Cornyner’s autipsy disclosed since no bullets were found in the lungs, it had to rule out anything but pot.

    SAM ON is backasswards for No Mas!

  24. claygooding says:

    The real reason our law enforcement agencies oppose legalization.

    “”Many individual members of law enforcement agencies across the country attend U.S.G.G. grant writing workshops seeking training in how to find law enforcement grants as well as how to improve their success rate when applying for them.””

    Our government in all it’s wisdom teach our police how to put multi agency specialized squads together for home invasions,eradication and intervention,,but the grants must be spent on the drug war and all the equipment required to make basically the thugs from different police agencies,county,city and state,to make up a squad of a mostly combat veterans willing to kill someone because they have a joint.


    • claygooding says:

      And low level marijuana arrests keeps the grants coming and the war on marijuana and American citizens using marijuana continues to escalate,,regardless of how much reform TALK fills the air.

    • claygooding says:

      where that came from:


      Texas lawmakers renew conversation over marijuana

      AUSTIN, Texas — Taking the stage Monday night for a live debate hosted by public television station KERA-TV in Dallas, the four Republican candidates for lieutenant governor sought to carve out distinctions on the big issues.
      Asked for their positions on marijuana laws, most seemed to be on the same page. Incumbent Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst, Agriculture Commissioner Todd Staples and state Sen. Dan Patrick all voiced opposition to any change in the state’s current policies concerning recreational and medical marijuana.

      “I would not legalize it. I would not decriminalize it,” said Dewhurst. “I think marijuana can be an addictive drug and cause problems for people who are suffering from that addiction.”

      SIC em,,comments are open

  25. NorCalNative says:

    HEMP! Hot, Hip, and Happening.

    Excuse me while I eat my hemp granola for breakfast.

    • Howard says:

      A little more OT;

      A video of Dr. Wenk describing the good aspects of cannabis (and coffee). Other than misstating the dangers of cannabis smoke, there’s good information here;


    • NorCalNative says:

      Since I watched “Run from the Cure,” about Rick Simpson Oil, I’ve been consumed by reading these studies.

      PogoFrog.com a search engine for physicians is a good place for this kind of research.

      This particular article is AWESOME and is just a tiny piece of what cannabis-based medicines can offer.

      We tend to make a lot of fun about the Kevin Sabet’s of the world, in the long running show called hippies versus straights that’s been going on since man was scratching marks on the cave walls, WE ARE WINNING.

      We’re winning, because right now if you have access to full extract cannabis oil you can save yourself and loved ones a lot of misery.

      This is why I wrote to my congressman about the ENDOCANNABINOID SYSTEM. This system is why cannabis has such great potential for human health and well-being.

      INFLAMMATION is at the root of pretty much anything that goes wrong with the human body. Cannabis is nature’s dominant anti-inflammatory medication.

      How dominant? Robert Melamede at Colorado University or State claims that ingesting cannabis can even work against FLU through its action as an anti-inflammatory.


      • Howard says:

        NorCalNative, as I’m sure you already know, there are suggestions now that cancer just might be the result of cannabinoid deficiencies. Now possibly adding to that list Alzheimer’s? That’s just HUGE. Aside from heart disease, cancer and Alzheimer’s are the “big 2” when it comes to diseases generating the most concern, especially among those middle-aged and older.

        Prohibitionists, you are damned and doomed.

        • NorCalNative says:

          That means that a certain percent of the so-called 9% to 11% of folks that are supposed to have a cannabis-based dependency, are actually MEDICATING and endo-cannabinoid deficiency of some type.

          EVEN if these folks think they may only be doing it for recreation.

      • DdC says:

        I wonder if they are afraid of Stoners Endocannabinoid Receptors reading the minds of drug worrier Endocannabinoid Transmitter frequencies? Na, they’re just as stupid as a doorknob or pathological liars. So if Ganja is the Tree of Life and we do live forever. Somebody has got to stop the next clone of Sabetaur before it starts blabbering the same nonsense. Perhaps we should have drive through cancer cure applications before CODEX declares it is curing without powders.

        So the obedient get more lapdoggy abstaining from supplementing the Endocannabinoid System. Causing stiff necks and hard hearts. Gnashing of teeth and an urgency to taste piss. Ganja brings the body back to where it once belonged. If its too low it makes it high. If its too high it mellows it out. Anything out of the natural it deals with. Pain or spasms or appetites or lack there of. Yes a wonder plant but not medicine in the synthetic form of the profiteers. A plant unique in giving us the ability to distinguish its sex to separate the males to create the Ganja. No other plant does that. The seed is a smorgasbord of essentials not produced by the body. One stop shopping. The fiber sliver is softer and fluffier than cotton, the hurds the bast all in one plant. Too versatile for selling treatments.

        The incentive of Sabet and the Walmartians is to create a need for what they sell. If you sell sickness treatment, then the incentive is creating more sick. If you sell houses you eliminate home grown homes. Big Oil doesn’t want Biodiesel or Biomass grown by family farmers. Factory farms for cows chickens or fish and dairy don’t want more competition. Just do nothing and perpetuate profits. Cast some doubt and lie in public to cast a shadow and keep it a joke. Demonize when degradation isn’t working due to too many in your face realities getting in the way. And more lie your ass off since it is your ass if you don’t.

        It is getting almost sympathetic watching the Sabetfish flounder in the mud gasping for air. Hurling sputters of old rehashed WoD junkie whimpers. The same as when it was hard to prove it, before the internet machine. DUMB-ASS. Now they are selling the products we told you about during Reagan. Now we buy the products and see the health improve and the horror of dying subsided with less pain and traumatic experiences both illness related and government threats. It is over. Go home. You’re making a bloody spectacle of yourself. Better yet exchange the drug worriers for non violent drug prisoners in over crowded cages.

        Clinical Endocannabinoid Deficiency


        Ganjawar in Everything
        I’ve found there is no news story that can’t be linked to the Ganjawar.

        Only The Stoners Will Survive

        Benefits of Marijuana: Acute radiation syndrome
        Syria, Got Ganja? “best available protection against nerve gas attack”
        Ganja 4 Banned Nerve Gas Used on Yemeni Protesters

  26. NorCalNative says:

    Off Topic

    Cannabis Culture has a new post up about a 39-strain joint!

    I’m all for mixing and matching cannabis into one blend as the mood hits me. In fact, I’m of the opinion that breeders likely use this method for figuring our their plant research.

    Combining a sedative Indica with an energetic Sativa is always fun. My experience is that the more strains in the mix the less enjoyment. I know that sounds weird, but it comes down to the amount of time you have to spend for such a minor result.

    Of course if you mix a bunch of potent weed strains together that’s NOT a bad thing, it’s just not the connoisseur-kind-of-experience you’re expecting.

    At least not in my experience.

    We’ve got some computer literate folks here who do the linky thing. If you’re bored check out CBDS on the stock market, or Mark Kleiman suggesting in an interview that Hillary Clinton will be in her second term as president when cannabis is legalized nationally in 2020.

    • claygooding says:

      What we need is the combination highest level thc/cbd strain possible for an all in one fix,,and we need to quit having taste tests as a factor of the best medicine in a Medical Marijuana Cup,,,quit using the culture to sell MMJ.

      • Windy says:

        It’s a whole lot easier to take medicine when the medicine tastes good. I don’t see a problem with that at all.

        Hubby and I combine different strains quite often, when we get to the bottom of a jar, there is always powdery crumbs down there in the bottom, crumbs not suitable for smoking in a bong. When we have acquired enough of those bottles with a pinch of crumbs each, we combine them and either roll a j or smoke it in a hash pipe with a good screen. Sometimes the result blows us away other times, meh.

        • claygooding says:

          Yeah,,cough syrup us easier to take when it tastes good too Windy,,but you don’t see anyone having taste tests to determine the best cough syrup,,,it is the perception of the people that don’t believe marijuana is medicine that we are fighting and I have not found any strain that tasted so bad I refused to smoke it.

          Patients don’t need the culture to convince them marijuana is medicine and the culture keeps a lot of str8s seeing the culture as proof that MMJ is just a step towards legalization like kevin,chabot and calvina tells them,,what we know as fact they will never accept until they become convinced it is medicine Wendy.

          And TMK a lot judges are marijuana legalization advocates that are familiar to more legalization supporters than patients,,if you had the judges dress in whites it would look more like a medical decision than our heroes Cheech and Chong sitting at the judges table,,even with Chong treating and stopping prostate cancer nobody believes it but us..

    • Viggo Piggsko Flatmark says:

      I like to mix some hash(Indica) with a sativa/hybrid – makes the buzz different, a hint of mellow, good sleeping medicine.

  27. claygooding says:

    When a government uses military personnel, equipment, and tactics against its own citizens, is it time to call it a Civil War rather than a Drug War?
    Pete Guither,,,,,,,,,,,,one of my heroes

    He keeps serious anti-drug war warriors connected and we have become one of the best think tanks fighting prohibitches in every news paper article we can make a comment on,,all volunteers with a vast pool of personal knowledge on the harms prohibition has wreaked on our society and put us on top at imprisoning our own citizens in the world,,we have more prisoners than most Communist block countries combined,, and we refuse to think Americans are more evil than other countries.

    What’s on my mind this morning on facebook

    • claygooding says:

      You know now how dangerous it is to open face book before a coffee and a joint. It always asks what is on your mind first thing.

  28. claygooding says:

    Obama can remove cannabis from Schedule 1 without congressional assistance,,if he does and the Congress try to override his Executive Order it puts Congress using NIDA science to prove marijuana is a dangerous addictive drug,,for the first time since marijuana prohibition started in 1937..TMK


    Marijuana news: Obama would support removing pot from list of most harmful drugs

    • Howard says:

      Here’s the original article from Time;


      “It’s up to Congress”.


      • Howard says:

        In spite of the Commander In Chief’s fecklessness, there’s that sound again. It’s off in the distance somewhere. A splintering and cracking sound. And underneath is a groaning rumble.

        Something is coming apart. It’s a really big something. We know what it is…;).

        • claygooding says:

          It is amazing how much damage he is doing by just talking about maybe possibly doing something and letting the prohibitches hurt themselves.

          It is happening just like kap,allan and others have said,,it has reached the point the DEA is attacking the politicians and the people for trying to change marijuana policy and accusing both of not having rational thinking abilities,,the DEA are the only people acting intelligently,,they claim.

          And for the first time we are seeing fear in prohibforcer’s eyes and frantic scurrying for support from the support base they bought with federal grants,,their only real support for continuing prohibition they can expect to hang on until the bitter end.

      • Rick Steeb says:

        “It’s up to Congress” is just what the black-robed clowns spewed in the Raich decision. FNCKING COWARDS!

    • claygooding says:

      Eric holder can also order cannabis off schedule one because it impacts one segment of our society vastly more than any other when our entire society is committing the same crimes,,a simple count of prison inmates that used public defenders versus hired attorneys is all the statistics he needs to justify his decision however either action results in Congress locked into the damndest dog and pony show since ol Harry stood up in Congress and told them marijuana caused jungle fever.
      If all Congress tries to use is bought science we will get to see marijuana advocates like Tavert wearing them out with logic on National TV.
      And no other subjects will be discussed the entire time the argument goes on,,,he is going to dump it on the Reptiles as a parting gift.
      “”Block my attempts at passing programs and policies mother fuckers.”

      • kaptinemo says:

        Clay, they have always used our taxpayer dollars against us. The way to stop that is actually very simple: Those voters of the reform mind inform their pols that:

        1) The old folks who voted for them to vote for prohibition are dying off.

        2) They are not able to pay taxes anymore because of #1.

        3) The new electorate that is replacing the previous generation does not believe in or want prohibition and they don’t want to pay for it with their taxes.


        You get enough of that pouring into Congressional and Senatorial offices, and when the pols realize we mean it when a few more lose their seats courtesy of the ‘youth vote’, you’ll see lots of Guptas happening left and right.

        It really is that simple. By their (expected) refusal, prohib pols will be exposed as the tools of the various commercial interests that are directly, mortally threatened by a resurgent hemp-based economy, and use cannabis prohibition as a faux moral shield to hide their avarice. They and their allies will be flushed out into the open, where they’ll be vulnerable to public criticism.

        The victories of WA and CO have shocked them badly, and they haven’t been able to recover enough moxie to put up the fight they need to just survive. Hammering them on the tax/budgetary front will be their coup de grâce.

        • claygooding says:

          Please add or changing their minds,,I am tired of younger advocates sitting on my fence like a row of buzzards waiting for me to die like I started doing when I was 20 years old,,and Robert Platshorn and the Silver tour have increased support from us geriatrics to have silver haired people mixed in with the hippies and college students in FLA,,they have more old folks supporting MMJ than any other state and when the Silver Tour played 2 or three ads in IL the support from geriatrics doubled,,they are changing old folks minds by having old folks tell them about marijuana as a medicine instead of a Kampia or a famous lifelong stoner their age.

        • Tim says:

          And be sure to reward your politicians for their support. Justin Trudeau gets regular donations from me now. Last year I sent the Liberal Party about $500.

          Money talks.

        • B. Snow says:

          “… and when the pols realize we mean it when a few more lose their seats courtesy of the ‘youth vote’, you’ll see lots of Guptas happening left and right.”

          I know that I’m a few days behind the curve here = (I was trying to catch up on some sleep.)
          But still, I have to say I love that phrase Kap, although I’m a bit hesitant to use it anywhere but here… In part to be respectful – (or maybe its thankful?, or grateful? OR – maybe all of the above?) – to Dr. Gupta.

          He didn’t have to go out on a limb like that, I think he realized he ought to do it – so he did. But he didn’t have to do it = opening himself up to some fairly nasty criticism.

          I really dig that as a ‘neologism’, still I (personally) want to make sure not to discourage others from doing likewise in the future.

  29. Duncan20903 says:


    OK, it’s now official, I’ve issued an executive order to SAM which requires them to stop using “Smart Approaches to Merrywanna” as the foundation for their acronym. From this time and date forward they are required to instead use “Stupidpatrick’s Against Marijuana.” People like that shouldn’t be allowed to get away with such a blatant example of deceptive advertising. What’s next, a 12 stepping Joe Camel celebrating 22 years of being “drug free” and promoting a truth free America for the protection of our youngest citizens?

  30. Obama Says Easing Marijuana Restrictions a Job for Congress

    “But I do offer a cautionary note,” Obama told CNN. “…Those who think legalization is a panacea, I think they have to ask themselves some tough questions, too, because if we start having a situation where big corporations with a lot of resources and distribution and marketing arms are suddenly going out there peddling marijuana, then the levels of abuse that may take place are going to be higher.”

    What is a “level of abuse” for marijuana? I have been trying to figure out what abuse is from marijuana that SAM and Kevin are warning of. What exactly is marijuana abuse? Is there a definition for that? Is someone that likes to smoke marijuana automatically an abuser? This is a really vague comment with no answer or reason behind it from where I stand. Marijuana abuse has never been defined. Its a completely abstract term with no basis in science that I can see. Marijuana abuse is a prohibitionists opinion, not science. Its pure propaganda.

    • B. Snow says:

      They generally try to say that, Because its Illegal, and you still choose to procure & use it = risking legal troubles – aka criminal charges. (Fines, Jail-time, probation, Etc.)
      Well, Then – Certainly You MUST Be Addicted!

      If it weren’t for this powerful addiction their BS logic would makes sense to you, You’d obey and just do (or in this example ‘not do’) whatever your authoritarian nanny-state rulers said/say.

      (In their world-view), Defying them is a ‘cry for help’ from a hopelessly addicted, broken-soul – who needs “treatment” and a new group of (often) creepy ‘friends’ who meet like a cult (only they meet slightly more often). And they (more or less) ‘worship’ a pseudo-diety… But, (get this) they call it a “Higher Power”!

      Now, That’s what I call ‘Ironic’, – as well as plain old ‘Unjust’, and ‘Cruel’.
      One might even call it a “12-Step Trifecta” of Evil Authoritarianism!

      • Exactly. Any definition for abuse has been formulated to incorporate drug war funding from the government. When you wrap your definition around the governments criminal justice restrictions you come out with a definition of abuse that is political, its not defined to handle a personal problem for the individual with using the drug. Just a government defined criminal justice issue. Abuse in the DSM is defined in the terms of drug war, not help, as Sunil Kumar Aggarwal has adeptly pointed out.

    • kaptinemo says:

      Notice Obama’s exact same use of the wording as Kevvie’s. Now, ask yourself: is this coming from the ONDCP? Or Kevvie? OR BOTH?.

      I still want to know who’s funding Kevvie, but I already have a guess, and it’s his supposedly ‘former’ employers at ONDCP. Which makes Kevvie’s ‘group’ just a cut-out of ONDCP…and a violator of the laws against propagandizing Americans. ONDCP was guilty of that before while ol’ Kevvie was there; old habits die hard, huh?

      • As fondly as he was thought of by the Kennedy’s I would guess the wording more likely to have come from Pat.

      • claygooding says:

        The bankers think tanks for all the above,,they change directions so fast that it keeps the message defuzzed and confluberated.


        You are very popular within the community, you can get things done by just chatting..to even enemies! You have a pretty good business mind, you are often have no-idea what is today is like, or tomorrow is like, you are a person who does anything when your head thinks “lets do this”. You will be famous if you open up a business, get involve in share dealings, music etc.. Very popular with sense of humor ,you are the one your friends and families will always ask for help, and you are the one actually get money on credit and help your friends. You will have more than 1 relationship, but when u get settle down you will be a bit selfish anyway. Coz your other half will have a pretty good amount of control in you, be careful! You tend to go for other relationships! Contacts even you are married at times ‘coz your popularity..
        You are someone who get along with anyone coz the number 5 is the middle number.. Changes & freedom lovers you are! You are an explorer with magic on your face. You learn your life through experience and it’s your best teacher!!!

        Pretty damn close,,I have hocked stuff to get friends out of jail,move away from trouble and housed friends in bad situations,,and the rest I leave for my friends and family to decide.


        I think it is based on astrology but I haven’t seen this method of connecting you to the closest description,

      • Windy says:

        The laws against propagandizing Americans have been overturned, it is now legal for both the government (and its agents) and the media to propagandize Americans.

    • Freeman says:

      What is a “level of abuse” for marijuana?

      You know how a lot of people are grumpy and irritable before they’ve had their daily coffee fix? It’s a little like that, though usually to a lesser degree.

      • allan says:

        What is a “level of abuse” for marijuana?What is a “level of abuse” for marijuana?

        Some call being an obnoxious teenaged bogart, cannabis abuse. if not that it’s cannabist abuse.

      • Tim says:

        “Marijuana withdrawal” is like having to use public transit again after a weekend away with a rental car and your girlfriend in Niagara Falls.

        That’s about how grumpy I get, anyway.

  31. Howard says:

    Duncan, I second your executive order. And I’m going issue one of my own. From now on when Patrick Kennedy does the media circuit he now must be called Stupid Patrick. That’s it. No last name, no former this or that from Rhode Island. It’s more befitting and his “celebrity” will only grow.

  32. claygooding says:

    We need a share button on every comment Pete,,I have worn out my copy/paste from using it on this Band Of Misfits..

  33. Freeman says:


    Check out Kleiman’s (the K is silent) latest rant:

    The discussion of “rescheduling” marijuana is confused because most of the people engaged in it don’t know how the law works.

    Jacob Sullum, always willing to let his ignorance be the measure of other people’s knowledge, utterly unwilling to let mere facts get in the way of libertarian ideology, and eager to please his paymasters by slagging a Democratic President, illustrates my point in his response to the latest CNN Obama interview.

    Rather than reviewing the bidding about who said what, let me simply lay out the actual state of affairs.

    Very impressive; three ad hominem remarks in a single sentence, completely unsupported by any “mere facts” the author could be bothered to mention. How professional.

    …And then of course, rather than criticizing anything Sullum actually wrote (notice how he tried to draw attention away from that), he concedes that Sullum’s entire premise, the point of his post, oh so ignorant of “mere facts” his arguments may be, is 100% accurate:

    Yes, authority to reschedule cannabis lies with the Administration.

    …And then goes on to valiantly slay a strawman that Sullum never argued:

    [a lotta drug-war legal catch-22 nonsense we’re all familiar with, focused solely on marijuana’s medical potential]

    So administrative rescheduling would not make “medical marijuana,” or any other kind, legal at the federal level. Its practical effect would be identically zero.

    But “rescheduling” is a red herring dragged across the trail of policy reform.

    …And so once again we see Mr. “I criticize libertarians for not being thorough when they don’t emphasize every aspect I care about on a subject enough to suit me” bend over, bare it, and expose his hypocrisy-hole in public.

    So what did “Mr. Thorough. And totally NOT a libertarian-hater — THOSE guys are the real haters” miss? The obvious, of course:

    From Sullum’s article:

    Schedule I. These are the statutory criteria for drugs in that category:

    (A) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.

    (B) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.

    ( C) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.

    Now how did such a thoroughly knowledgeable expert on the subject completely miss (A), as if it weren’t there? There’s nothing at all stopping the administration from rescheduling cannabis on the basis of the finding that it does not, in fact, have a “high potential for abuse”.

    One of the RBC bloggers’ favorite lines to trot out when it suits them is the “compared to what” rule. Apparently this is not one of those times when it suits Mr. “Well of course it has a high potential for abuse — goes without saying”.

    Compared to everything else on schedule 1, cannabis has a ridiculously low potential for abuse. Compared to The most widely used psychoactive substance in the world (which isn’t scheduled at all), it’s abuse potential is similar, and it’s hazards to the consumer much lower.

    And what, pray tell Mr. “I’m all about policy reform and you pot nuts are messing everything up with your dragging about of red herrings. Now GET OFF MY TRAIL”, might the “practical effect” of such a ruling and rescheduling have on marijuana prohibition nation-wide in today’s rapidly-evolving political climate regarding the issue?

    • Oh bull hockey. If this guy can’t maintain his sense of authority in the public eye how will he find another legalizing state to bleed for his advice? Its the sincerest form of flattery to Mr Sullum that he got picked out of the crowd by this educated opportunist.

    • strayan says:

      The discussion of “rescheduling” marijuana is confused because most of the people engaged in it don’t know how the law works.

      This is rich coming from the guy who said:

      There’s one problem with legalizing, taxing and regulating cannabis at the state level: It can’t be done. http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jul/16/opinion/la-oe-kleiman-marijuna-legalization-20100714

      • Freeman says:

        Yep, that’s one of the first quotes I thought of when I read that.

      • Tony Aroma says:

        Technically, what he said is correct. The feds would be fully within their rights to challenge the laws in WA and CO. Only problem is, they could only challenge the parts of the laws that related to state regulation and licensing. I think if they did that, they’d probably win. Of course the result would be state-legal mj with absolutely no regulation or control. Enforcement would be entirely up to the feds. Kind of a Catch 22 for the feds, a taste of their own medicine.

        • Duncan20903 says:


          Tony, it’s incorrect that the Feds could cause these laws to be struck down. The States have every right to adopt these laws. The Feds only option is to enforce its laws using their money, agents and other resources. Don’t you ever wonder why the Feds have never challenged a State’s medicinal cannabis patient protection law? Don’t you think that it’s peculiar that every court case filed using Federal preemption have been filed by State and local authorities? Isn’t the fact that such actions have been laughed out of every Federal appeals court which has been asked to hear the controversy?

        • claygooding says:

          The Do j reported they could not force the states not to legalize marijuana but they could stop commercial production or sales,,the reason they are not attacking CO and WA over sales and production is it would result in marijuana being legal and only a black market to provide the marijuana which is counterproductive to stopping criminal involvement,,apparently they realize that stopping the legal production would endanger innocent citizens.
          It is too bad they can’t apply the same logic to banking regulations but that requires removing it from Schedule 1,,Mexican standoff,,no pun intended but indeniable.

        • tony Aroma says:

          Duncan, I think you should double check on that.

          The feds cannot force a state to criminalize something just because it’s criminalized at the federal level. So you are correct in that a state has every right to remove all criminal penalties related to mj (or anything else), and the feds can do nothing about it.

          However, states cannot create legislation that is in direct conflict with federal law. When a state issues a license to a dispensary, that’s a blatant violation of federal law. Not at all the same as the state refusing to arrest someone. In effect, the state is sanctioning a federal crime. That’s why the first states to legalize mmj did not have too many rules in place or regulated dispensary systems.

          Only later, when the feds said the states needed to keep tight control over things, did states start coming up with schemes for licensing and regulation.

          Why do you think the feds decided to go along with the laws in CO and WA? They knew they could probably win in court with respect to states licensing sales of a controlled substance, but not with respect to states simply removing criminal penalties for those substances. So the outcome (legal weed with no regulation) would’ve been worse than the status quo. It’s not like the feds suddenly became reasonable and saw the light. They were (and still are) between a rock and a hard place.

          BTW, since these issues have never come up in a court, it’s anybody’s guess how things might turn out. Supreme Court decisions are essentially a crap shoot. Regardless of our speculation on these issues, a SCOTUS decision could prove us all wrong.

        • tony Aroma says:

          BTW, Eric Holder explained the situation regarding a federal challenge to legalization in CO and WA when he announced the most recent “guidance” to federal prosecutors. As he said, the only reason the feds decided against challenging those laws was that all they could challenge would be the regulation aspect of the laws, not the outright legalization. Probably why they haven’t challenged any state mmj laws as well.

    • darkcycle says:

      Dammit, Freeman. No sooner do I say I’m done responding to Kleiman’s droppings at RBC, then YOU come along with this incredibly juicy piece of ignorance. I remember sitting back with the Google and a cuppa Joe right after Obushma was elected and figuring out just how many different ways the President could nullify or eliminate cannabis prohibition. I seem to remember I came up with five different legal ways he could intervene and stop this bullshit. The one that really stuck with me as a medical cannabis patient was fact that it only takes two lines of text ,if that, to order the DEA to abide by Francis Young’s 1988 ruling on cannabis. Job done, at least as far as rescheduling. So I just HAD to leave this there, as civilly and un-sneeringly as humanly possible. I give the post two hours, but I repost it here, just in case: ” Seems to me that the President could order the Attorney General (he’s the A.G’s boss, right?) to order the DEA (the Attorney general is THEIR boss, right?) to recognize and abide by their own Judge’s 1988 ruling, provided in PDF format here: http://files.iowamedicalmarijuana.org/imm/young.pdf
      Now, will that lead to medical marijuana? I’ll answer my own question… how could it NOT? With the threat of censure and prosecution by the DEA removed from doctors, I can see them being much more willing to try a safe herbal intervention over a costly, side effect plagued pharmaceutical intervention. Not that we NEED the rescheduling to get medical marijuana, witness the many States who have already enacted it. But the biggest hurdle currently facing people who might benefit from cannabis in medical States is the difficulties they face finding doctors willing to prescribe it. The removal of that obstacle alone would be worth the effort we have put out.”

      • Freeman says:

        Heh, saw that DC. Did a double-take — wait, what??? DC’s slumming!

        I know what you mean about “non-sneering as possible”. You might have noticed that I heavily redacted the comment I left here when I posted a remnant of it over there. Of course, Dr. (K)Lie-man came back with a canned talking point about “2+ million users meeting diagnostic criteria”. I countered with “And how many caffeine consumers would meet the exact same “diagnostic criteria” if applied to them?”. We’ve had this little talk before, and this is the point where he usually sulks away and drops the conversation.

        The most amusing (to me) comment there so far is Keith Harrumphreys’ pathetically weak and transparent attempt to pile on the libertarian-baiting theme Mork launched in the OP. Obviously they’re trying to elicit responses of equally insulting tone so that they can then point the finger at those nasty uncivilized libertarians and their bad manners that don’t belong in such a civilized community of better-than-thou’s.

        • darkcycle says:

          I decided it might be nice to twig a couple of other folks to Dr. K’s blog, and this post in particular. I posted it on Russ Belleville’s FB page, as well as shared it with the good Dr. Aggarwal. Maybe they’ll chime in, maybe they won’t. But I’m hoping that Russ will take an interest. Russ will reason with the best of them, but he’ll get right down there in the mud if that’s what it takes. And, jus’ between us Couchies, he’s not a good guy to get on the bad side of. And my guess is that’s eeeezakly where Kleiman will go.

        • Freeman says:

          Heh, I’d LOVE to see Russ Bellville show up on his blog! Game over, they’d shut down comments immediately and permanently, which would propel them into the abyss of irrelevance and obscurity where they belong. That much truth at the “Reality” based community would be like combining matter with anti-matter.

        • Viggo Piggsko Flatmark says:

          I read it Freeman, haven’t been here so long so I appreciated the link. (thumbed up while reading old posts)

        • darkcycle says:

          They both declined to enter the RBC Rabbit Hole. Wisely, methinks.

    • darkcycle says:

      Plus, it’s really telling that Harrumphries liked that three-ad-hominem-attacks-in-one-sentence part so much he repeated it.

      • Freeman says:

        Yes, consummate gentlemen and models of civility, one and all.

        Ever checked his bio? He’s a “Professor of Psychiatry at Stanford University” and “From July 2009-2010, he served as Senior Policy Advisor at the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy.”

        Now I’ve always been told that if it looks like a quack, walks like a quack, and ducks like a quack, it’s a quack! And he sure fits the part: he’s got the pop-psy ego-centric all-about-self-esteem “you’re better than the person you’re complaining about” attitude, and he ducks out at the slightest hint of confrontation. Physician, heal thyself!

        And the fact that he’s an acknowledged paid propagandist who “served” alongside the likes of his good friend Keven Sebat tells you all you need to know about his drug policy “expertise”.

        • claygooding says:

          You left out that he also planted the seed to implement ending the MMJ program in WA to protect the new revenue source,,recreational marijuana.

        • Freeman says:

          Keith Harrumprhreys, a doubleplusgood duckspeaker if I ever saw one:

          “Ultimately it was hoped to make articulate speech issue from the larynx without involving the higher brain centres at all. This aim was frankly admitted in the Newspeak word duckspeak […] Like various words in the B vocabulary, duckspeak was ambivalent in meaning. Provided that the opinions that were quacked out were orthodox ones, it implied nothing but praise, and when the Times referred to one of the orators of the Party as a doubleplusgood duckspeaker it was paying a warm and valued compliment.” Orwell, 1984

    • Windy says:

      This guy on his own blog wrote:

      Mark Kleiman – who I don’t always agree with, but he’s a genuine expert in this area, and I trust him to know the facts – convincingly argues that it’s Reason’s Sullum, not Obama, who doesn’t understand the law and the President’s powers regarding marijuana’s legal status.

      So I made this comment on his site:

      Mark Kleiman is anything BUT an expert on cannabis or its users (medical OR recreational) and he took WA State for a huge sum of money for being a consultant on implementing I-502, while doing everything possible to thwart the intent of the law and the wishes of the voters in WA.

      • Freeman says:

        I backed you up over there. My comment (awaiting moderation):

        Freeman says:
        Your comment is awaiting moderation.
        February 1, 2014 at 12:00 am

        I’m with Windy on this one. Kleiman’s parting advice to Washington:

        Kleiman spoke more, though, about reasons for the city and state to step up law enforcement against illegal dealers in order to gain market share and tax revenues for the legal system.

        Now, if an illegal dealer is arrested “you just create a niche for another dealer,” he said. But under the state’s legal system the hope is that busting dealers would lead their customers to migrate to the legal system.

        “But I don’t see any planning in law enforcement to take advantage of that opportunity,” he said.

        Though none of the tax revenues from legal pot would go to law enforcement under Washington’s voter-approved law, Kleiman said it might be something for state lawmakers to consider changing.

        Noting the history of racial disparities in marijuana enforcement, Councilmember Mike O’Brien said he’d be concerned that ramped up enforcement would “compound the problem.”

        Kleiman said that’s certainly possible because poorer people and racial minorities might be more likely to use street corners for illegal pot commerce, and be subject to enforcement, than affluent white people.

        “I think it’s worth taking the transition cost,” Kleiman said, in order to undercut the illicit market.

        What’s a little racial disparity, when you’ve got turf to protect? says the affluent white guy. While the voters thought they had voted against the violent excesses of drug-war enforcement, their overpaid consultant advocates yet another “surge”. Bah.

      • claygooding says:

        Perhaps remembering Obama was a professor teaching constitutional law trumps kliemans opinions of his understanding the law,

  34. claygooding says:

    A recent report from researchers that pregnant women produce a controlled substance in their bodies and deliver it to innocent newborn children through they’re breasts.

    The Republican House majority leader has called for the DEA to start immediately creating specialized eradication teams that will,upon receiving notification of a woman’s pregnancy due to a requirement that doctors must report pregnancies to law enforcement as they do gun and knife wounds,be dispatched to remove the pregnant woman’s breasts to stop these drug pushers reducing their child’s IQ if they decide to breastfeed.

    It is a known fact that any person that has smoked a marijuana cigarette can never give it up unless they are a politician that quit because it slowed down their thinking processes,,all other previous users are liars and women will lie and breastfeed after promising not too.

    The Democratic majority leader has called for a much cheaper solution that won’t remove the breasts that most Democrats confuse as a government tit for them to feed off of want to ban sex to avoid any possibility of a sneaky mother determined to harm her child.

    The Republican plan has estimated that it will take $13 billion dollars to create a bureaucracy to enforce the new policy because the DEA refused to participate in any drug policy that did not include prison for the criminals and potheads involved and the Administrator refused to support any policy that would harm what put her where she is today.

    • claygooding says:

      No estimate was given on the Democratic plan because Democrats can’t estimate the manpower it will take to enforce the “Just say NO to sex” policy.

      A study by Rand has been requested and they expect the report on the findings within 5 years.

      During that time they will create a temps only agency to do the best they can.

  35. allan says:

    so hey… this just drifted across my internal reader screen. If Kevin is making such ignorant, stupid and patently false public proclamations under the banner of the Univ of Florida where are the academics calling BS? Does Kev-kev not have a responsibility towards truth in education? Or is the UoF becoming an arm of the gummint drug war propaganda machine?

    As many here have pointed out Kev is a professional prohibitionist. Much hullabaloo (old tv show) has been made about the slide in US primary education but when our universities start supporting intentional ignorance, prejudice and bias isn’t that an even greater sinkhole?

    Does the UoF have a prof that’s in the KKK teaching black history at the UoF too? Do they hire misogynists to teach women’s studies?

    I mean pardon my blue collar ig’nance but where’s that higher bar? Where’s the “excellence in academics”?

    … ptooey!

    • claygooding says:

      Universities and medical schools depend on federal funding and grants,,,any more questions?

    • Duncan20903 says:


      Nah, those guys are smart enough to know that they’d just be blowing wind off of the wall trying to “reason” with Kev-Ken. While not a serious injury those ankle bites hurt!

      • allan says:

        amazing how the vocabulary keeps growing. Here’s one dedicated to Kev:


      • Duncan20903 says:


        Oh my goodness the things that come out of the brain of a prohibitionist! I keep thinking that they have to have hit rock bottom of stupidity but they just refuse to quit outdoing themselves. This one is from the “there’s no such thing as too stupid to be alive” category:

        Snacks Laced With Marijuana Raise Concerns

        quoted from comments column under article linked above:

        Grosse Pointe, MI 3 hours ago

        I agree. What people are forgetting is the history. These drugs were made illegal because they were once legal. We’ll have to earn the hard way again.

        • claygooding says:

          We gotta quit asking them “how stupid can you be”,,they are taking it as a challenge


          PARIS, Feb. 1 (UPI) — A French lawmaker said she has written a bill to legalize marijuana in a country with some of Europe’s tightest laws against the drug.
          French Sen. Esther Benbassa, a Green party member who represents a district on the outskirts of Paris, said a bill legalizing smoking pot would not lead to many more people doing it than already do, TheLocal.fr reported Saturday.

          Nore ONDCP budgeting required and the new budget isn’t even approved yet.

  36. War Vet says:

    August: Osage County Says its OK to smoke pot in Oklahoma . . . much better than pills or booze. Edward Norton stared in a ‘pro-pot’ movie taking places in Oklahoma as well. One of our favorite country bands sings about Oklahoma boys not being able to roll their joints right.

  37. Duncan20903 says:

    Op-Ed: Legalization of marijuana biggest yawn in Colorado since Y2K.

    In honor of the totally unexpected happenstance that’s caused me to have any more than absolutely no interest in tomorrow’s Super Bowl I’m going to explore the age old question that I’m certain that everyone is pondering: What would we be seeing if the prohibitionists were a football team? That’s a truly excellent question!

    If the prohibitionists were a football team they’d be guarding the league cellar. Loss after loss after loss, the coach would issue scathing screeds babbling that there just aren’t enough studies to prove that the team with more points scored actually won the game.

    They’d be constantly screaming for time outs to have a sniffer dog make sure that the other team isn’t keeping its drugs inside the ball.

    They would complain bitterly about the grounds keeper promoting the recreational use of cocaine for drawing lines on the field using white powder. They’d also assert that the habits of the grounds keeper is proof that merrywanna is a gateway drug because he also draws hash marks on the field!

    The head coach would insist that the referees be investigated as possible gang members because they keep using sign language and always dress in the same colors.

    They general manager would offer the referees cash incentive for every penalty that is imposed on the other team.

    If asked about the apparent contradiction they would sneer and tell you that it’s called the “carrot and stick” strategy.

    They would demand that the subversive Native American tribes be investigated for terrorism by semantics because they won’t stop pestering Dan Schneider to change the name of the Washington D.C. NFL franchise. They would warn people that there’s obviously a hidden agenda because everyone knows that feral human beings can’t hold their liquor and that there’s no such thing as an “honest engine!”

    At the end of every game they’d arrest the guy who fired the final gun for having an illegally modified handgun.

    At their home stadium they would refuse to allow beer to be sold to anyone absent proof of a “clean” urine screen unless the dirty urinator volunteered to go into rehab.

    They would have a pack of sniffer dogs check every car in the parking lot for the smell of the more popular substances on the naughty lists while the game is being played.

    We would never hear the end of their whining because the SCOTUS refuses to let them urine test ticket holders in order to get into the stadium on game day.

    Maybe I’ve missed a couple but I think you get the gist. But if you’ve got any salient examples to add don’t be shy! Just chime in.

    I’m still rooting for a tie so both teams can be co-champion. But it sure looks like Denver is going to kick Seattle’s ass. Sorry DC and the rest of the State of Washington brigade but the owner decided to spare no expense in his quest for the Lombardi Trophy. As a result he hired “Prof” Kleiman as a consultant because you just can’t find anyone else that has better expertise in the philosophy of football tactics and strategies despite having no direct experience of football coaching.

    Anyway, bring on the sweaty mens! The game is a foot!

    Next time I’ll be treating you to a neo-Freudian analysis of the game, it’s effects and explain the social impotence caused by letting one of the first American hardcore cocaine addicts dictate the direction of the mental health science industry in America. Siggy could have realized that his own mental health issues are very, very rare. His mistake was that he concluded all of the nonsense which was inside his head is very common. IMO of course!

    Oh, speaking of Freud, it was very possible for him to have gone to Sunday school:
    http://sundayschoolforjewishstudies.org/ was founded in 1838. Siggy was born in 1856.

    repeat alert: http://www.historyhouse.com/in_history/cocaine/

    I will kiss you quite red and feed you till you are plump. And if you are forward you shall see who is the stronger, a little girl who doesn’t eat enough or a big strong man with cocaine in his body. In my last serious depression I took cocaine again and a small dose lifted me to the heights in a wonderful fashion. I am just now collecting the literature for a song of praise to this magical substance. ~~ Sigmund Freud

  38. DdC says:

    British woman did NOT die from marijuana poisoning

    ahajournals.org Cannabis

    The effects of delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (cannabis) on cardiac performance with and without beta blockade.
    These findings suggest that delta-9-THC enhanced cardiac performance.

    Abstract 3829: Cannabidiol Attenuates Myocardial Dysfunction, Fibrosis, Inflammation, Cell Death and Interrelated Signaling Pathways Associated With Diabetic Cardiomyopathy

    Attenuation is the opposite of amplification…

    Clinical Investigation and Reports:
    Triggering Myocardial Infarction by Marijuana

    however, whether it can trigger the onset of myocardial infarction is unknown.

    Recurrent Stress Cardiomyopathy With Variable Regional Involvement
    It is uncertain if exogenous cannabis intake can simulate endocannabinoids or alter endocannabinoid pathways. Cardiovascular adverse events are relatively infrequent with cannabis in comparison with other drugs of abuse like cocaine. Specifically, cardiomyopathy has not been previously reported with cannabis.

    Young Sabetaur and his Master Bubba

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