During the drug policy reform conference, they took pictures of people posing with their own anti-drug-war message. Nice idea.
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well there you are…
It may have some value to show prohibs that pro-cannabis people are not all droopy eyed cheeto stained finger types.
The conferences and debates are great to get people talking and active at the state level. But what is it going to take to get through the magic bubble that our gate-keeping handlers of OZ seem to live in? The epic poll numbers from Gallup and so many states turning away from prohibition yet D.C. acts like Nancy Reagan is going to crawl out of their tv a la “The Ring” style if they even blink on prohibition!
Dems controlling the executive and half of the legislative branches and all we get is a half assed memo?
Hey, Jose – you forget that for these people the side-effects of the “war on (some) drugs” are a feature, not a bug. Mostly jobs for the boys, with lots of opportunity to exercise arbitrary brute force to humiliate and control people they don;t like.
Of course they lie about it – it’s systematic dominionist psycopathology. Their prime objective is to defend the system.
Thanks for putting things back in perspective divadb. Sometimes it seems we are the only ones that see the elephant in the room that has resorted to crapping all over the place.
Humiliation is the name of the game…identify your specific out group and make them crawl publicly…it’s the age old practice of scapegoating and includes job applications (ever been convicted of a “felony”?), immigration (a friend of mine busted for possession decades ago, who has to travel regularly to the USA, is ALWAYS pulled out of the line and detained in “secondary inspection” on arrival, …so called “perp walks” in hand cuffs and so on and so forth…. power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely… you bet that’s a “feature,” or a perk of the job for scumbag prohibitionists
Jose, there’s really no need for obscene imagery to make your point. Man, I almost upchucked when you said that woman’s name. Now what in the world would make you think that prohibitionists are capable of learning? C’mon, these are people that can argue:
…Gallup is incompetent in taking opinion polls.
…that cannabis law reform advocates are richer than the United States of America.
…that we’re responsible for the murder and mayhem on our southern border because we send our money to the organized criminal syndicates.
…that if our society were to establish a regulated retail supply chain and send our money to domestic retailers that the cartels would just find other crimes remaining just as rich and violent.
…that the friends of cannabis are worthless, lazy, and are unable to set goals or understand the benefits of deferred gratification.
…that if we re-legalize cultivation that there won’t be any tax revenue because all of the pot heads will just grow their own.
I could go on and on but I think you should understand my point with that sampler.
While I understand, and to a degree, agree with your point, I feel the compulsion to point out a slight logical fallacy in your argument.
They are capable of learning. Just as we all are. “They” also are capable of making a choice. And when people are scared, ignorant, embarrassed, corrupt, or even in love(!), they can choose to LIE, even to themselves. If enough people believe a “something”, they become a group with a label.
I don’t like boxes and labels. Once you box and label something, you throw it into the attic and forget about it. But with every box, a little bit of the truth gets trapped inside.
Nancy Reagan is still a compassionate, empathetic human, and humans learn through the lens of their own experience, nothing more. She chose to believe that a world that has been removed of a single simple choice would be more peaceful. What she (and many/most others) came to also believe, is the simplest of delusions. Which is: “I am in control.”
So far, Mr. John Lennon has captured it best IMHO, and I still get chills from Imagine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLgYAHHkPFs
Sorry, Crut – your attempt to whitewash the cruelty and arrogance of Nancy Reagan and her enablers just won;t fly in this group. We suffered under that fascist bitch’s regime for years and its taken over 30 years to get where we have. SOme people are wrong and can change their opinions – they act in good faith. Good Faith and Nancy Reagan parted company long before she got to the WHite House – I mean, it’s a requirement!
“Nancy Reagan is still a compassionate, empathetic human, and humans learn through the lens of their own experience, nothing more. She chose to believe that a world that has been removed of a single simple choice would be more peaceful…”
A little history lesson for you Crut:
Shortly after Ronnie’s inaugeration, Nancy set about abusing her position as first lady to aggrandise herself and to live in the style she had always coveted. The press quickly caught on to the huge amounts being charged to the taxpayer for Nancy’s redecoration of the White House and her illegal acceptance of designer dresses and other gifts from her cronies.
Nancy had an urgent need to change the subject when the press wrote about her and, almost by chance, she was asked by a schoolgirl what to do if she was offered drugs. The first lady responded by saying, “Just say no”. This received much favorable coverage and was an easy sound bite. Nancy’s advisors grabbed this with both hands as the direction to move her away from the previous focus on graft, and so the Just Say No Campaign was born. It had exactly nothing to do with compassion or empathy on the part of Nancy Reagan, being instead an example of cynical manipulation and spin by the former First Lady.
In a way, that’s just my point though. “this group” has to exist with “that group” whether it wants to or not. When the “something” that defines a specific group is no longer believed, “that group” ceases to exist. That’s where we almost are in regards to the group of Prohibitionists, and the Anti-Drug-war group!
I apologize for not being clear, I sometimes over-metaphor things. My comment was not an attempt to whitewash anything, but only attempt to peer into the humanity of a group that is despised here. If you read a little further into my comment, you will see that I was not referring to Mrs Just say No as compassionate and empathetic, but that she had repressed those actual qualities by believing a lie. I can see that I didn’t make that clear.
Whether or not someone can change is entirely up to them, so I absolutely refuse to deal in absolutes, except sometimes. 🙂 Some people are right, and can change their opinions – they act in “bad” faith. The world however, is not as binary as that…
Dammit, I’ve been smitten by Poe’s Law…again!
If you’ve been smitten, then I was bitten. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIj0qhYzqCU
Thanks for the link, Pete. I learned about DanceSafe and their good works. Providing information (not corrupt lying dominionist propaganda) and help (not humiliation and long-term relegation to the underclass).
And like all true peoples’ movements, run by volunteers. In the face of oppressive prohibition funded by OUR MONEY in the service of state capital interests to violently suppress the competition and protect their licence to profit off others misery.
It’s a cruel and unbelievably evil system. FOr anyone who wants to respect their government, prohibition is a big problem. Because fear is not respect. Rather, inducing fear creates disrespect.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/26/us/state-drug-tests-for-public-aid-recipients-have-limited-effect.html?src=recg Can anyone say that both sides do this?
Mark Kleiman doesn’t like my facts. Apparently sharing the results of studies from peer reviewed literature doesn’t qualify as contributing actual knowledge.
Kleiman has removed many of my posts in the past. I post only peer-reviewed science and stats. I wonder how long this one will last? â€”â€”Posted as a reply to Kleiman’s threat to Strayan, Brett, Dilan etc.?
“Acetaminophen overdoses are the leading cause of acute liver failure (ALF) in the United States, Great Britain and most of Europe. Acetaminophen toxicity accounts for approximately 50% of all cases of ALF in the United States and carries a 30% mortalityâ€”More than 100,000 calls to Poison Control Centers, 56,000 emergency room visits, 2,600 hospitalizations and nearly 500 deaths are attributed to acetaminophen in the United States annually.”
Hypocrisy, thy name is Kleiman.
I went there and read the posts. I chose not to chime in. There was nothing offensive, not even rude. Nothing but facts he doesn’t like.
Hijacked? Yeah, I hate it when my fairy tales are hijacked by truth too.
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Windy – thanks for posting. I-502 is a stinker (I said so all along) – and giving regulation of cannabis to people who only understand alcohol is the first problem.
DOn;t worry – another petition will put them out of business and restore sanity if they are successful in the short run (which I don;t think they will be).
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You never see stoner pigs acting like that!
Stoner pigs might be telling the cow barn jokes or maybe even make a pass at the cow but the napping would probably happen,,one guy said last time he got drunk and tried fighting a cow she whipped his ass and divorced him.
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