With traffickers having the resources to create tunnels this sophisticated, the government can only hope, at best, to stop a tiny portion of what comes through.
Of course, there’s always the chance that the authorities will stumble on one of the tunnels.
I couldn’t help but burst into laughter when he said “if a person paid them enough money pass a weapon of mass destruction…they may do it.” It took them only 2 min to to scream “OMG terrorism!!!”
yea right, the get-high trust is going put a wmd in the us because they want to kill their billion dollar market for a one time payoff. that’s tha way the drug worriers think. they can’t grasp the fundamental rule of business: if there is a buck to made, you must do what you can to make that buck. only a fool would kill off a business like the american drug market. proably wind up a dead fool, too. that’s one reason the dea cannot win: they are stupid.
Tunnels. Submarines. What’s next? Their own drones?
Now wouldn’t that be something: drone dogfights over the southwest, Cartels versus Uncle, bring your own popcorn and beer…
Jeez, how many times do they have to find something like this before somebody in Congress grows the ‘nads, steps up and loudly says what they all think but are afraid to say: The DrugWar is a net drain on a moribund economy and waste of taxpayer dollars when they are desperately needed for other things, and needs to end.
It’s akin to trying to fight off millions of rabid zombies while holed up in a rundown wooden shack in the desert.
Tell me about it. My shack in the desert has a terrible zombie problem. I was just fighting them off last week. I have a secret weapon though…they survive on brains, so I was going to invite Kevin Sabet, Paul Chabot, Linda Taylor and Kieth Humphries for a picnic, and starve the zombies to death.
Not allowed to be viewed in Mexico. LOL
Well it might give people ideas.
(Sputtering in laughter) The ideas are all on the cartel’s side. All the prohibs can do is react.
Even when they try to be pro-active, you get balls-up operations like “Fast and Furious 2”, the DEA caught laundering drug money, US sanctioned aircraft allowed to transport illegal drugs crashing into Mex jungles, etc. Major f-kups, all of them…and those are the ones we know about.
Jeez, I’d have died a hundred times over out of sheer embarrassment from the number of times the prohibs have publicly screwed up. There’s not enough swords for them to fall on, were they so inclined.
In the end, when all is said an done, the efforts of DrugWarriors can be summed up in two words: tragically ineffective. And I am tired of paying for failure.
That’s joining the rest of the stuff in the “kaptinemo” folder which has pride of place on my desktop .. I’m not kidding!
try one of the san diego tv stations they have done stories on the tunnels, and a few months ago a house in imperial beach full of smuggled muggles.
kaptinemo, you’re very generous to categorize prohibition as ineffective. Doesn’t that word basically mean neutral, no improvement but no real negatives? If the prohibitionists actually started effectively working toward their stated goal it would take them decades to just get back to their starting line.
I’m glad you laughed at the “they might get ideas” line. Looking at that it seems to have lost all of its intended meaning in print. I should have used an emoticon.
Duncan, the way I see it, it’s a failing of modern education that nobody teaches the classics, anymore…except in Elite schools, of course.
Things like ancient Greek mythology…and the story of Sisyphus. But ol’ Sisyphus didn’t have a choice. He had to roll that damn’ boulder up that hill all day long just to see it roll back down, again. One of those ‘sh*t sandwich or starve to death’ situations. ‘Hobson’s Choice’, which is no choice at all.
The moral of the story is to try to NOT be stuck doing stupid things. And if anything qualifies for that description of stupid things, it’s the DrugWar, as every historically known attempt at a chemical prohibition has failed. Including the Chinese Communist one of the late 1940’s that saw mass execution of opium addicts.
Half a century later they are still doing so, which makes the usual prohib practice of pointing at a murderously authoritarian regime and speak glowingly of their blood-stained ‘success’ in dealing with opium addicts doubly nauseating.
No, history shows anyone with three brain cells to click together what eventually must happen, and usually does: regulation. Again, recall Sisyphus, and also recall that unlike that poor b*st*rd, we do have a choice. Sentience demands it.
But prohibs? Especially career ones? Assuming a better education than their organizational forebears, they ought to recall that myth and its’ import, and know better. But they jumped into the manure pile with both feet and eyes wide open, for a paycheck. They volunteered to roll that stupid boulder. And so they will, until Joe Sixpack needs the money being wasted on this farce for basic essentials, and won’t hear some pol prattle about the Sainted Children when said children are facing homelessness and malnutrition.
Yea, verily, brothers and sisters, the fiscal wolf is sitting on the prohib’s front porch. And when it starts howling, no amount of propaganda will drown it out.
i used to make parts for tunnel boring machines, hope our hermanos in mexico don;t find out about the robbins company in kent, washington. http://www.robbinstbm.com/
Wow, that is a BFD. What do people do with them when they’re finished drilling the tunnel? It doesn’t seem like something you could sell on Craigslist.
park it off to the side, or disassemble and remove the parts. robbins machines built the chunnel. i think at least one machine is still at the halfway point.
probably dug with unregistered, illegal shovels. damn criminals.
Unregistered, illegal shovels supplied by the DEA as part of a failed investigation.
And the work done by illegal Canucks.
maybe we should restrict the export of digging implements to mexico, like guns. that’ll learn ’em.
Huff Po has another blatantly twisted and contrived article from Kevin Sabet. No comments. What a POS.
No comments on the Huff Po? What’s up with that?
Ummmm…we were a little hard on him last time around. My guess? He made it a condition.
And why the hell would Huff Po accept that condition? Is Kevin Sabet really that big of a “get”? If they really did accept no comments as a condition, that’s pretty damn shameful on their part.
I just skimmed the Sabet piece. Here’s my favorite quote:
Well, there’s nothing particularly “complex” about it, but I actually kind of agree with the second part of that statement. On the one side we have compassion, ethics, and science — and on the other? Politics.
Here’s my second favorite quote:
Um… I’m pretty sure we already have several effective “non-smoked marijuana-based medications.” May I introduce: vaporized cannabis, edible cannabis, and cannabis tinctures? And if you really want to see a “sick joke,” take a good look at Kevin Sabet.
Sheee-it, HuffPo would have agreed to delete any posts which didn’t appear tongue in rectum in favor of Mr. Sabet’s position if that’s what he demanded. Not because he’s some big draw it’s just that they don’t particularly give a shit about an honest debate.
Francis, I’m guessing that pieces on the drug war generate so many hits that they are willing to let that happen. Really, it’s clicks and click-throughs on their ads that they survive on.
He’s been known to ask people to delete negative comments on HuffPo before. I’d guess that’s why.
Also, the DEA has demanded records for twelve of the remaining twenty-one dispensaries in the SF bay area. Along with this full throated pitch for sativex from Sabet. I’m getting the impression that there is a DOJ approved and orchestrated pushback against mmj in order to clear the market for GW Pharma.
I’m getting a little nervous, as Obummer has thrown pretense to the wind and begun courting wall street billionaires by starting his own superpac. Without at least a little dependence on the smaller donors, he doesn’t need to worry about backlash, he will be immune. Also, NORML has been distancing itself from MMJ, and I think they may be taking that as a sign that legalization advocates will not rally to the cause of Medical Marijuana. It is pretty clear that they are dead set on keeping the prohibition on herbal cannabis, no matter what. Sorry, I have limitrd ability to link with this stupid thing.
Have you ever been to the home of one of those very vicious ankle biter lap dogs? As you exit their yard they make certain to let you know that they’re chasing you out. Sorry, delivered a lot of pizza back in the day and did have the opportunity to introduce a few of the little fuckers to the concept of punting. Most seemed already aware of the reality of that concept and were vicious just out of leg’s reach. These things were a laugh riot because I think that in their little pea brains they really had themselves convinced that they were chasing you off. Mr. Sabet’s column made me flash back on some of those memories. I’ll betcha he’s going to give himself credit for chasing the NORML/freedom fighters (legalizers his word) “out of the business of medical marijuana.” Hey Kev Kev, we were on our way out the door anyway. Oooooh, you’re such a vicious beast! C’mon everybody, let’s blow this nuthouse before he severs someone’s Achilles’ tendon!
Good boy Kev Kev, here’s a treat for protecting Da-Da! You’re such a good boy I’m going to have to get you an embroidered doggie bed! I can picture it now:
“…and did have the opportunity to introduce a few of the little fuckers to the concept of punting.”
YOU need to have the concept of punting drilled into your ass. Anyone who injures a dog by kicking should do time for animal cruelty. Especially little ones who really can’t hurt you …. are you so afraid of them that you have to kick them?
I had a lot of respect for you and your opinions, but that respect went away with your self-condemning sentence. You should be ashamed of yourself for even writing about your heinous act of cruelty. You wouldn’t let your kids be kicked by some stranger no matter how your kids acted towards the stranger… or would you?
Perhaps you could use a remedial course in poetic license. There were no dogs or any other animals injured in the creation of that post.
I find it intriguing when prohibitionists compare malum prohibitum acts to malum in se crimes like murder, rape, kiddie diddling, etc, etc. I find it even more intriguing that there are people who seem to think that if you molest an animal that the children are next in line. Just yesterday I read of a family of goobers who got lost in the mountains in Oregon. They were out there 6 days with no food and reported having a serious family discussion about eating their pit bull dog to stay alive. In the comments some nitwit asked rhetorically if they would have considered eating a baby if they had taken one on their adventure in the wilderness. I told that nitwit that the correct choice between whether or not to eat the smaller life form is dependent on whether or not you get put in prison after being rescued. If you will get imprisoned: don’t eat the smaller life form. If you won’t get imprisoned: let’s face it, dogs are delicious.
Geez, I haven’t been flamed like that since the Native American Anti Defamation League took me to task for noting that it’s the first pioneers that take most of the arrows allowing second and third wave pioneers to figure out who’s shooting them and where they’re coming from. I did delete the analogy from my brain because they were right. I’ve been of the mind for quite a number of years that the Washington NFL team should change its name out of respect. It may not be racist in your mind if you don’t know any better, but once you’re informed of the implications it becomes so almost immediately.
I thought an ass hole is the place where burrowing burros make their home??
Hi Kev! .. I see you left the drag outfit at home this time.
So now we can add the huff Po to that long list of ‘scurrilous media enablers’.
Yes, Swooper, our Duncan is a gentle creature, who would never harm a life form uneedfully. We just went through the ordeal of live trapping the evil, spying ONDCP squirrels in his attic. Even after he discovered they had his address and a spare set of his house keys, and were just catching a cab back to his house, he continued to smear peanut butter and almond paste ON HIS OWN GENITALS in an effort to lure the little fellows close enough to grab. As luck would have it, they unfortunately reacted muchas you or I might, and took photos which they posted on the internet. But no matter. This is a man who still mourns “Gil” his long lost bluegill.
Seriously, I would have a hard time imagining Duncan harming an animal. Every indication is that the thing he hates most is when somebody takes it upon themselves to interfere in the peaceable existence of another.
The bluegill’s name was Filet o’ Fish. “Life is a biochemical state” was his motto. I most certainly do regret that I didn’t win the State record for largest bluegill ever caught in Virginia. Hey the rules didn’t say anything about going fishing in your own home aquarium.
“Poetic License” my rosy red ass. The way you -Duncan – wrote it there was NO indication that it was sarcastic, or “poetic license” or that any other non-injurious action concerning small dogs occured.
I’m not sorry about the fuss, because I will personally kick the ass of ANYONE who harms a dog (or any other animal) just because they can.
It sure doesn’t come across as “our Duncan is a gentle creature, who would never harm a life form uneedfully.”
There is NOTHING in his post to make me believe that his story is not true, or was ‘poetic license’. Quit hiding behind bullshit, Duncan. Either you did kick little dogs and wrote about it or you have a very sick imagination and need professional help. Hell, if you did kick the dogs, you need professional help after a stint in the slammer.
Sorry for the OT dressing down I felt was necessary. But it was Duncan who made the offensive statement.
It’s just as well then you didn’t get wind of what he baked up for his pet squirrels last week.
Swoop, it was a metaphore. Perhaps an off color metaphore, but then we all go beyond the limits of propriety and good taste once in a while. Just let it go at that, can you?
who else would come on here with such a crappy juvenile name and attempt to stir things up?
Most probably Linda Taylor.
Swooper420, you appear to have confused me with someone who gives a shit. Believe whatever fairy story pleases you.
but why would mr. stroup give the game away and ruin it for everyone? surely he would know there is no ‘red herring” to it. i suspect something extruded from a prohibitionist orifice. something dishonest and noisome. the liberty limiting little napoleans are running out of rhetorical ammo. desperation ensues.
Well, I can’t speak for Keith, but I think he sees that battle as already won. With more than a dozen medical states, including the whole West Coast, for NORML the next battle is legalization. I have disagreed with Keith on a number of occasions, and he can be prone to intemperate remarks, but I have learned one thing about him…there is always a plan, and it’s usually a good one. Perhaps he does think of MMJ as a red herring for legalization, but then, NORML is a legalization group, not a medical advocacy group. That would follow. It would also follow that having successfully established MMJ as a majority issue, they would move on. Keith could have found a better way to do this than to pronounce the whole effort a sham, since that actually hurts their credibility having been a full throated participant. He also forgets that in addition to NORML, MMJ had a host of other dedicated boosters whose efforts were vital to getting where we are now, and that those people were not being duplicitous with their support. Unfortunate wording he now finds himself defending.
I know Keith, we’ve shared many a bowl. I’m gonna cut him a little slack, even though I strongly disagree with him on this. I’m willing to wait and see what his plan is. But I don’t like doing damage control because he shot his mouth off, and I’m gonna get him waaaay stoned in August when I see him next and tell him what I think about it.
It all goes back to one of Dick Cowan’s favorite lines back in 1995ish. He got the line straight from Dennis Peron. In no way does it prove that cannabis isn’t a valid medicine. That’s absurdity in the extreme. But as we all know, the prohibitionists aren’t bothered by pesky facts that contradict their position. Here’s the line from my memory, paraphrased, not quoted:
Unfortunately it’s not easy to foresee the reaction of a standard issue
idiotprohibitionist. All they heard were the last two sentences.
But you know what? That strategy worked as advertised. The sick people did benefit from their medicine. Quite a large percentage were people who otherwise wouldn’t have crossed paths with cannabis. Their loved ones did observe that their medicine didn’t make them start playing the piano at a very fast speed, murder their brother, miscegenate with white women (or get miscegenated), snort Comet, or start shooting up mayonnaise.
Thereâ€™s a whole underworld situation going on here with tunnels. How does that happen? Maybe itâ€™s because since the Viet Nam War every idiot in government has ignored the strategic significance of tunnels, as well as the potential power and untouchability of the underground.
Letâ€™s think of Chicago, if not al Qaeda and Viet Nam, and the various tunnel escapades thereof. Chicago is where the term â€˜undergroundâ€™ originates. In old Chicago, the city was built on a marsh landscape. Since ground-level was a major pain, much of old Chicago was built on stilts. What happened beneath Chicago, beneath the stilts and piers, was pretty much anything. Prostitution and other alleged vices flourished in the underworld of Chicagoâ€™s non-existent building code. Thus the term ‘underworld’ as it relates to crime and vice.
As any Boy Scout knows, building a good campfire requires providing a path for oxygen to circulate beneath burning wood. Chicago was not known for its well informed Boy Scouts, nor its understanding of fire prevention. So when on October 8, 1871, a cow in a barn owned by Mr. and Mrs. Patrick and Catherine Oâ€™Leary started a fire, Chicago was already the perfect fire trap. 300 people died. 100,000 were left homeless.
It is in this spirit of prohibitionism that government underestimates the power and potential of tunnels, and the destructiveness of an underground in general. No matter how many times the authorities and sadomoralists get whacked and humiliated by tunnels and underground activities, they refuse to learn. Prohibition drives everything underground. Legalization provides regulation by bringing things above ground.
sappers never get the respect that the more glorious branches get. the tunnels of cu chi had a big effect on the outcome of the viet nam invasion. the power of the shovel is greater than all the lies told by all the hacks and hoes of the dea, cia, or dod. enforce drugs much? how much is that fence going to cost? how much is it going to stop? won any wars lately?
I’d like to work those last three questions into one of my boiler plates – if I may?
i won’t kick, to turn a phrase.
.. appearing soon on a thread near you ..
if the prohibitionist wants a drug free world, why doesn’t he push for an entitlement program for emigration to mars. we know it’s drug free. what could be more perfect from a moral point of view? of course, only the right kind of people would be allowed to go. no riff-raff on their utopia. only god fearing straight shooters. the dea would prefer to live on a planet where there is no possibility of the hemp or poppy plants contaminating the blood of the youths, if i’m reading their messages aright. so they could have no objection to being blasted off to mars. for a trillion or two we should be able liberate the drug free from this crappy planet covered with drug plants and dope dealers. and good riddance.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/02/10/ex-cop-marijuana-policy-creates-too-many-crime-victims/: fact is guys like pete, darkcycle, howard and malcolm are my heros. you guys have moxie.
Wow. Thanks. I don’t deserve to be included there, though. I didn’t intend to become a legalization advocate. It sort of happened, and I’m not really very good at it. I can’t speak in public, I’m a pathetic organizer, and I tend to put people off. Sometimes I wonder if I do more harm than good. But that post just made my whole weekend, thanks thelbert…that’s motivation to continue.
I dunno. Adopting unwanted children at great personal (financial) expense doesn’t exactly fit the “Dave’s not here” stereotype very well.
This one’s dedicated to you Bert:
The whole world watches while we pepper-spray, taser and cudgel our own peaceful citizens for exercising their birth-right to peaceful assembly; The whole world watches while we strip-search and anally probe our own wheelchair-bound great grandmothers on suspicion of being terrorists; The whole world watches while heavily armed and masked government thugs break into our homes to ridicule, bully and threaten us for using or growing a medically efficacious, common weed.
The prohibitionist model is one of blind ignorance, abject failure and economic collapse. Its underlying ideology is one of fear, envy greed and hate. Never have so many been endangered and impoverished by so few, so quickly!
* Do you wish to greatly reduce, even almost eliminate the market in illegal narcotics? Then please help us to dismantle Prohibition enabling us to Legalize, Regulate and Tax!
* Do you wish to bring about an enormous reduction in the presence and influence of organized crime? Then please help us to dismantle Prohibition enabling us to Legalize, Regulate and Tax!
* Do you wish to reduce harm to the existing users and addicts – who may be your children, brothers, sisters, parents or neighbors – by allowing them safe and controlled legal access, which will greatly minimizing the possibility of ‘peer-initiation’ and sales to minors? Then please help us to dismantle Prohibition enabling us to Legalize, Regulate and Tax!
* Do you wish to see a reduction in the number of users or addicts, thus greatly curtailing drug related illness and deaths, while also reducing societal harm from problematic abusers? Then please help us to dismantle Prohibition enabling us to Legalize, Regulate and Tax!
Three simple questions for the unconscionable employees of the DEA, CIA & DOD: How much is that fence going to cost? How much is it actually going to stop? Won any good wars lately?
for an outfit that says it can eliminate drug use, it’s odd that they can’t answer simple questions about things they claim to know all about.
The editor in me requires that I make a couple of corrections. I don’t have a blue pencil here in the cyberworld so I’ll put the corrections in ().
1) “is one of fear, envy (comma) greed and hate.”
2) “which will greatly (minimize) the possibility”
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/02/10/officer-accuses-u-s-military-of-vast-afghan-deception/ this kind of stuff is why i take no pride in being a viet nam veteran on the 11th of november. no glory in crime.
Watching the tunnel video, I thought I heard them say they were keeping one large tunnel open for “training”.
What, is the DEA learning how to smuggle drugs and people now?
If a WMD gets smuggled in, how do we know the DEA didn’t do it as a false flag gambit?
one thing for certain they won’t be doing anything involving work or shovels. that soil sure looked easy to dig, though.
CHICAGO â€” Inside classrooms at the Chicago Police Academy, would-be officers learn how to make arrests, spot drugs, understand gang terminology, process crime scenes. But this class looked different: rows of sworn, longtime police officers listened silently to barked commands from an unlikely trainer â€” a novelist.
â€œDonâ€™t dodge race, donâ€™t dodge sex, donâ€™t dodge the war on drugs because people told you theyâ€™re winning it and you on the street know that theyâ€™re not,â€ said Charlie Newton, the writer, pounding his fist on a table. â€œThatâ€™s what youâ€™ve got to talk about. If youâ€™re going to back away from that, youâ€™re wasting your time talking to me. I can tell you how to start. Iâ€™m really good at that, but I canâ€™t propel you through the fire youâ€™re getting ready to face.â€
Novelist’s advice for police learning to write: Don’t back down!
Okay, enough banter. This is significant, friends, it looks like Fox has canceled Judge Napolitano over a show he did that was scheduled to air about two days hence. That show was a show dedicated to the Regulate Marijuana like Wine initiative in California with Ethan and the DPA.
With out a doubt this was due to pressure from somebody, but who?
I’ve never watched the show, although I know who he is. I wonder if it was a sponsor..some drug corp or other??
Er… I don’t know. I liked the Judge and the show, but the evidence that any kind pressure was involved in the decision (let alone pressure linked to his stance on cannabis legalization) is a little thin.
Post hoc something something and all that? I mean, he hadn’t exactly kept his views on drug policy a secret prior to the show in question.
I was under the impression it was still due to air… Notwithstanding, it kinda fits with what I have been seeing which is a concerted, multi agency push to roll back medical marijuana before the election, and to clear the field for sativex, as well as to generally derail the legalization by initiative push currently being waged. Napolitano does lean a bit libertarian to fit into the Murdoch mold, but otherwise he has been very good for Fox. I don’t pay attention, but wasn’t his show among their most popular?
The judge does more than “lean a bit libertarian”, he’s leaned so far into libertarianism that he’s nearly horizontal. I wrote FOX and (against the request to be polite) gave them hell for canceling this show, which as far as I’m concerned was the only show worth watching on any FOX news channel (I still enjoy a few FOX entertainment shows). I told them that they were violating one of the most important reasons for TV news — INFORMING the people. Even tho, as a libertarian and a Constitutionalist, I abhor the FCC I cc’d my email to the FCC and a few of the sponsors of FOX Business.
I urge anyone who feels as I do about the one show on any mainstream media news channel which informs people from a different POV than the illusory left/right paradigm being cancelled to also write them and complain.
I would NEVER attempt to wash a paranoid hog, Duncan, he’s bound to think you have an ulterior motive. I’m not sure what would happen, but I can’t imagine it would be beneficial to either you or your pig. Perhaps therapy would be in order before trying to bathe. The pig, that is.
That story was via Steve Kubby, I did not click through the links, but you may be right, Francis…still, he had been good for their ratings.
Tom Watson MP, who sits on the committee, told Channel 4 News that Mr Murdoch and other senior News International staff could be recalled for further questioning in the light of the new arrests.
“If they’ve got evidence of a reasonable suspicion that the police were paid by News International then Parliament needs to know – I would hope they give us written evidence but if not we might have to drag them back,” he said.
If you have a police force or military or officials in the civil service who are so terrified to have contacts with journalists, that will not serve the public interestâ€
“Today’s developments show this is no longer only about phone-hacking. It goes to the very heart of corporate governance of the company led by Rupert Murdoch.”
I’ve often wondered how the term hogwash came into the language. While I haven’t investigated it much my speculation is that no one with any sense would wash a hog, therefore there’s no such thing as hogwash.
The amount of money to build these secretly must be staggering.
not as staggering as lawyer’s fees.