Senators declare ‘American Experiment’ dead; move to new system of government

Senators apparently decide the U.S. Constitution, individual rights, and limits on government are “quaint concepts” in this post-911-opportunity world.


The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this president—and every future president — the power to order the military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in the world. […]

The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept up by the military and the military could be used far from any battlefield, even within the United States itself.

The worldwide indefinite detention without charge or trial provision is in S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill, which will be on the Senate floor on Monday. The bill was drafted in secret by Sens. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) and passed in a closed-door committee meeting, without even a single hearing

Unfortunately, this is attached to a must-pass Defense bill. Senators need to vote for an amendment to strip this passage from the bill.

It’s about the drug war; it’s about the war on terror; it’s about opportunistic authoritarians looking to seize power.

We are in more danger from those who take away our rights in the name of security than we are from terrorists and drug lords.

Write your Senator. Now.

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27 Responses to Senators declare ‘American Experiment’ dead; move to new system of government

  1. Duncan20903 says:

    No more pussy communists?

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  3. darkcycle says:

    I already consider this government illegal. AFAICT, this just codifies powers already excercised by the unitary executive.

  4. claygooding says:

    What happens Pete,,if the drug czar starts arresting political prisoners via military action,,no hearing,no trial,just re-education camps.

  5. Peter says:

    would have expected better of carl levin….i suppose he’s become just another pol for hire like the rest of them

  6. allan says:

    McCain… tsk tsk tsk… I’ve just sent this out to my lists.

    Really? I mean what the hell are these folks thinking? That we wouldn’t notice? Emailing my senators now… will try and remain civil. Must remain civil…

    And anyone supporting this? If they’re in gummint (elected or otherwise) they otter be fired.

    • Shane says:

      If this passes and they start enforcing it, you can bet there will be plenty of “firing”.

    • Windy says:

      “Must remain civil.”?
      I think it is damn well time we STOP being civil and start showing our anger. After all, what the hell is civil about this portion of that “must pass bill”? And why the hell should ANY bill EVER be a “must pass bill”? IMNSHO, congress should just stop passing bills period.

      “The more corrupt the republic, the more numerous the laws.” — Cornelius Tacitus, 55-117 AD, Roman historian

      “The more laws and order are made prominent, the more thieves and robbers there will be.” — Lao Tsu

      “It will be of little avail to the people, that the laws are made by men of their own choice, if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood­; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgate­d, or undergo such incessant changes that no man, who knows what the law is to-day, can guess what it will be to-morrow.” — Alexander Hamilton
      I am NOT an admirer of Hamilton but even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

      “Probably all laws are useless; for good men do not want laws at all, and bad men are made no better by them.” — Demonax – (Roman philosophe­r, circa 150 A.D.)

      “Virtually all reasonable laws are obeyed, not because they are the law, but because reasonable people would do that anyway. If you obey a law simply because it is the law, that’s a pretty likely sign that it shouldn’t be a law.”

  7. ezrydn says:

    Of course, the simple answer is make the word “INCUMBANT” a negative. Our only hope is to clear out the old and put in new. I’ll not vote for anyone already in office, even if I like them. This isn’t a time to be choosey. It’s time to CLEAN?

    • Duncan20903 says:

      Indeed, the only way they’re going to get the message is if their predecessors get fired. But good luck with that, in reality most people subscribe to the “better the devil you know than the devil you don’t.” I’m not even sure that we’re going to be able to send Mr. Obama packing despite his throwing his most ardent supporters under the proverbial bus. You could have knocked me over with a feather the first time I heard someone proffer the beyond absurd notion that Mr. Obama is simply catering to the authoritarian idiots to get himself re-elected, and right after Election Day 2012 he’s going to lead us into the promised land.

      But then again I never thought I’d see Ron Paul with double digit support so WTFDIK? The revolutionary does not make the revolution, the revolution makes the revolutionary.

      • Windy says:

        Here is the full breakdown of last week’s CHQ Presidential Straw Poll:

        1. Ron Paul (56 percent; up 15 percent)
        2. Newt Gingrich (14 percent; down 11 percent)
        3. Herman Cain (13 percent; down 5 percent)
        4. Michele Bachmann (6 percent; no change)
        5. Rick Perry (4 percent; no change)
        6. Mitt Romney (3 percent; up 1 percent)
        7. Gary Johnson (2 percent; up 1 percent)
        8. Rick Santorum (1 percent; no change)
        9. Other (0 percent; down 1 percent)
        9. Jon Huntsman (0 percent; no change).

        I have more confidence, every day, that Ron Paul will be our next president, and soon thereafter, the federal war on drugs will be ended.

        The DoJ is under the purview of the Executive Branch, Obama could order the AG to immediatel­y stop investigat­ing and prosecutin­g all non-violen­t cannabis (or all drug) “offenses” freeing all those who are in or awaiting trial, but he has not done so. He can also disband the DEA and ONDCP, but he hasn’t. He could pardon all non-violen­t drug “offenders­” who are in or have already been released from incarcerat­ion so they can regain their ability to get a good job (should there be any such jobs available — help Ron Paul get elected and there soon will be), but he hasn’t done that, either. And, tho I have not confirmed this yet (I haven’t had time to research, what with the holidays) I’ve heard he can throw out the CSA, but he hasn’t done that, either. All of the above is under the purview of the Executive Branch, he is the head of the Executive Branch so it IS under his purview and within his powers as president.

        The above is what Ron Paul plans to do when he is elected (among other things he will Constituti­onally do to restore our Constituti­onal Republic and tho the Constituti­on may be flawed, it’s a whole lot better than what we have now.).”

    • Avery Mason says:

      One puppet substituting for another won’t do anything to change anything. Even if good ‘ole Ron Paul was to be elected (yeah right), you’d soon find that he’d either have way too much trouble changing anything, or he’d catch a bullet in the head (or equivalent means of removal). It seems that anyone who proposes and actually tries to enact the kind of changes that are truly needed in this world are forcefully removed from existence.

      Humanity’s number one mistake was fooling itself into believing that people at the top of organized structures would be looking out for them. They don’t. They never have. They never will. Only sociopaths have what it takes to finagle their way up to the top positions in society be they private or governmental.

      • Windy says:

        “It seems that anyone who proposes and actually tries to enact the kind of changes that are truly needed in this world are forcefully removed from existence.” Which is why his supporters are urging him to have a private security force, (perhaps picked from the members of the military who have proven their loyal support by having donated to his campaign before this date) instead of relying on the SS. It won’t make him completely safe, just safer. He needs to live long enough to restore the Republic and then long enough to show his policies work to garner the support of the majority of citizens in order to assure the restoration be as permanent as possible. Because if that doesn’t happen freedom is history in these united States of America. The bankers will have won and the rest will just be wage slaves with whatever arbitrary rules they desire at a whim ruling our lives completely. As someone else wrote once, “1984 was not supposed to be a manual.”

        Just, for a few moments take note of how many new laws have been passed that have the effect of making us less free and in more danger from our own government than from any foreign agent (otherwise known as a “terrorist”*).

        * wish I’d saved the post I read recently about how many things you are more likely to die from than a terrorist.

        It was long and the odds were astonishing.

  8. Maria says:

    What with SOPA/PIPA, some local state issues, and now this, it’s shaping up to be a busy “write to your representative” month.

    Now if only I believed that they give a fuck in what we plebs think.

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  10. TheBigWedding says:

    Do we need a revolution in this country? Perhaps. However, I think it will be sufficient to educate people within the intelligence and police communities, US citizens (the 99%) that the same people who were involved in the terrorist attacks of 9/11 and London 7/7 are the very same “usual suspects” who continue to fan the flames of the so-called “war on terror”, continue to push the Muslim boogie-man agenda; and are also the same groups of allied individuals who contrive intelligence on the “war on terror”, report on it in the MSM, profit from the “war on terror”, use DHS grants to spy on and criminalize those opposed to them, and propose and advocate legislation criminalizing the freedoms necessary to determine the identities of the criminal clique now using the terror construct to further the pillage of the planet, and further foster the global gulag.

  11. Big M says:

    I am of the opinion that the criminal syndicate calling itself a federal government is a “quaint concept,” and that it needs to go the way of the dodo, by whatever means necessary. And I do mean by WHATEVER MEANS NECESSARY.

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  13. vickyvampire says:

    Bloody Bastards call me when the revolution begins.

  14. Duncan20903 says:

    Well you know, we all want to change the world.

    But if you go carrying a puppet of Chairman Mao, you ain’t gonna make it with anyone anyhow.

    Hey, didn’t I see that guy’s picture in the dictionary when I looked up the word buffoon?

  15. Howard T. Lewis III says:

    McCain does not want any heat over his misconduct and Harmann is in way over her head. They honestly believe their stupid contaminating of the world with radiation while they head down into the tunnels is going to come off.
    On second thought, congress is always so busy mewling and prancing that they will probably miss this and vote it in.

    Idiot sheeple like their congressmen soft and manageable. So does the New World Order, which is why we are stuck with prancing, mewling genetic slag that regularly misses science questions and ends up sucking their way to the bottom.

  16. Duncan20903 says:

    I find it interesting that all 4 MD and VA Senators voted yes, and both of Alaska’s Senators were no shows. Stuck at home in the snow? Why don’t the Members have absentee ballots or proxies?

  17. Anonymous ;) says:

    There needs to be a new political party, internet-based and local community oriented. Each community, every day, at 6PM or a designated meeting time, must have the chance to speak with their representatives at a ‘virtual’ town meeting. Alike the Occupations that are occurring, and their Daily General Assemblies. Imagine your whole town, met on a forum, daily, to discuss the issues with your politicians. If they do not show up for the meetings, the citizens can vote them out, and replace them with someone who IS there all the time.

    This will ensure the accountability of our politicians, to be in touch with the people they are representing, which will allow us to voice our opinions as is necessary. Before they vote to approve any bills, they will have to achieve our approval as a group. If they cannot achieve a consensus, by these means, they are denied from being allowed to approve any new bill. If they pass such a bill, against the will of that group of citizens, they are ejected from office, and will immediately be replaced by a new candidate.

    All Bills that are passed or discussions participated in by that member of congress/parliament should be published daily as a part of this new upgraded system. They say democracy is dead, but i think its just getting started. 😉

    ._. Fr33d0m FTW ._.

  18. darkcycle says:

    Forgot to post this…meant to earlier:

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