Open Thread

I saw a production of The Children’s Hour by Lillian Hellman last night. It’s an important piece of theatre, but it has always been a supremely unenjoyable experience for me seeing it performed. I just end up getting pissed off at the close-minded moralists who end up destroying the lives of good people, and the sheep who go along with them allowing it to happen. The same is true for me with Arthur Miller’s The Crucible – an extraordinary play and I hate watching it.

Unfortunately, while those two plays are fictional, the characters in The Children’s Hour and The Crucible are real, and live today, manifesting themselves in people like Rick Santorum.

[in reference to states’ rights issues of gay marriage and marijuana legalization, his spokesman writes] “Senator Santorum is certainly an advocate for states’ rights, but he believes as Abraham Lincoln – that states do not have the right to legalize moral wrongs.”

And thus the destruction of peoples’ lives through denying marriage and jailing plant users becomes a moral imperative akin (in their small minds) to freeing the slaves.

Yes, it’s one more play that I find extremely unenjoyable to watch, but this one isn’t in the theatre.

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87 Responses to Open Thread

  1. divadab says:

    Cruelty masquerading as morality. The authoritarian religion. No need to wait for the final judgment – we’ll do the job for G_d and condemn you to a living hell right here! WHy wait?

  2. claygooding says:

    I feel the very same way about the 6 o’clock news.

  3. Servetus says:

    Sanctimonious Santorum versus Rootin’ Tootin’ Perry.

    Round 1 of the match-up:
    Santorum throws a girlie punch at Perry, misses, and hits himself in the eye.

  4. Ziggy says:

    Write him back and explain to him that Lincoln often slept with men and I certainly wouldn’t be surprised if he used hemp in one form or another.

    • Duncan20903 says:

      There’s really very little doubt that almost everyone before the late 1890s used cannabis. That assertion is equivalent to saying that just about everyone alive today over the age of 3 has taken aspirin. Cannabis filled the same role as aspirin did before aspirin was invented. Say, how the heck did Jack Herer miss this one? I’ll betcha aspirin sales increased by several orders of magnitude between 1913 and 1938. Brought to you by Bayer®. If you like our aspirin, please try Bayer® brand Heroin® for your stopped up head. For relief from the agony of the everyday headcold. Problems with the neighbors? Bayer® has spared no expense to provide the world with the convenience of Bayer Mustard Gas®. One application and no more annoying neighbors. Available at apothecaries from coast to coast.

      • on what evidence do you base your assertions about cannabis? while there were many “patent medicines” available during the time frame you specify, the vast majority of them were preparations containing opium, not cannabis.

        so what is the source of your data?

      • DdC says:

        Say, how the heck did Jack Herer miss this one?

        Cannabis Drug Use in 19th Century America
        Jack Herer, Ch.12
        The Emperor Wears No Clothes

        Medical Literature on Cannabis Medicine
        Jack Herer, Ch.6
        The Emperor Wears No Clothes

        In addition, various marijuana and hashish extracts were the first, second, or third most prescribed medicines in the United States from 1842 until the 1890s. Its medicinal use continued legally through the 1930s for humans and figured even more prominently in veterinary medicines during this time.

        Cannabis extract medicines were produced by Eli Lilly, Parke-Davis, Tildens, Brothers Smith (Smith Brothers), Squibb, and many other American and European companies and apothecaries. During all this time there was not one reported death from cannabis extract medicines, and virtually no abuse or mental disorders reported, except for first-time or novice-users occasionally becoming disoriented or overly introverted.
        (Mikuriya, Tod, M.D.,
        Marijuana Medical Papers, Medi-Comp Press, CA, 1973;
        Cohen, Sidney & Stillman, Richard,
        Therapeutic Potential of Marijuana, Plenum Press, NY, 1976.)

        19th Century
        Jack Herer, Ch.6.2
        The Emperor Wears No Clothes

        Marijuana was America’s number one analgesic for 60 years before the re-discovery of aspirin around 1900. From 1842 to 1900 cannabis made up half of all medicine sold, with virtually no fear of its high.

        The 1839 report on the uses of cannabis by Dr. W.B. O’Shaugnessy, one of the most respected members of the Royal Academy of Science, was just as important to mid-19th Century Western medicine as the discoveries of antibiotics (like penicillin and Terramycin) were to mid-20th Century medicine.

        In fact, the Committee on Cannabis Indica for the Ohio State Medical Society concluded that “High Biblical commentators [scholars]” believe “that the gall and vinegar, or myrrhed wine, offered to our Saviour immediately before his crucifixion was, in all probability, a preparation of Indian hemp.”
        (Transcripts, Ohio State Medical Society 15th annual meeting, June 12-14, 1860, pg. 75-100.)

        Cannabis less harmful than aspirin
        He also found “stoned” drivers were less dangerous and able to co-ordinate
        than people who were drunk. “By any standards, THC must be considered a
        very safe drug both acutely and on long-term exposure,” he writes. “The
        available animal data are more than adequate to justify its approval as a
        human medicine, and indeed it has been approved by the FDA [American drug
        authority] for certain limited therapeutic indications.”

        From 1850 to 1937, the U.S. Pharmacopoeia listed cannabis as the primary medicine for more than 100 separate illnesses or diseases.

        During all this time (pre-1000 B.C.E. to 1940s C.E.), researchers, doctors, and drug manufacturers (Eli Lilly, Parke-Davis, Squibb, etc.) had no idea what the active ingredients were in cannabis until Dr. Mechoulam discovered THC in 1964.

        Ely Lilly
        In 1982, Lilly introduced humulin, a synthetic form of insulin that is the first healthcare product that was created using recombinant dna technology. However, Lillys most notable product is Prozac, the worlds most widely prescribed antidepressant. Felicia Willis
        ~ Bayer, Hoechst AG, IG Farben and Nazi Germany

        Bush Quayle Lilly Pharmaceutical Sellout
        Jack Herer, Ch.5
        The Emperor Wears No Clothes

        • DdC says:

          American High Society

          Reefer Madness,Anslinger,Hearst,Bayer,Farben II,Demonization

          I.G.Farben,Dupont,Ford,Hearst,Frankenfoods & Cannabis Prohibition

          Corporate Crime in the Pharmaceutical Industry

          Concerning the history of Bayer AG and other companies
          Some of the great pharmaceutical companies of today owe their existence to profits from the trade of heroin and morphine in an era which laid the foundations for the self-perpetuating cycles of addiction to these drugs inmodern society.

          At the turn of the century Bayer were applying the same mass-marketing tactics to heroin as it had used so successfully with aspirin. Bayer’s international advertising campaign promoted heroin as a panacea for infant respiratory ailments. (page 207)

          The following passage in a letter from the company to the camp in Auschwitz demonstrates the attitude of I.G. Farben to the subjects of it drug testing program:

          In contemplation of experiments with the new soporific drug, we would appreciate your procuring for us a number of women. . . . We received your answer but consider the price of 200 marks a woman excessive. We propose to pay not more than 170 marks a head. If agreeable, we will take possession of the women. We need approximately150. . . Received the order of 150 women. Despite their emaciated condition, they were found satisfactory. We shall keep you posted on developments concerning this experiment. . . The tests were made. All subjects died. We shall contact you shortly on the subject of a new load (Glover, 1977)

          Bayer Research, innovation, and perseverance
          Just before the turn of the century, Bayer began marketing two notable drugs. In 1898, the company sold diacetylmorphine under the trade name Heroin; in 1899, it sold acetylsalicylic acid under the trade name Aspirin. Other chemists had already synthesized both drugs, but Bayer was the first company to recognize the commercial potential of these compounds.

          Within months of the 1914 declaration of war, however, Bayer bowed to government pressure and began manufacturing trinitrotoluene (TNT). Other military chemicals soon followed, including chlorine, phosgene, and mustard gases for use in chemical weapons. By the end of the war, Bayer was Germanys foremost explosives manufacturer, but that focus cost Bayer its position as a dominant chemical company. To make matters worse, the Treaty of Versailles ordered the confiscation of German foreign assets. Sterling Drug of New York acquired American rights to Bayers patents, the Bayer name, and other trademarks, including Aspirin.

          In Light of IBM, Will GW Bush Admit His Own Nazi
          The Bush family and IBM are in good company. Among the many corporations and famous American individuals with their own direct link to Nazi Germany were Henry Ford, JP Morgan, Du Pont, Mellon, Allen Dulles (America’s first CIA director), John Foster Dulles (President Eisenhowers’ Secretary of State), Charles Lindbergh, William Randolph Hearst, Alcoa Aluminum, Rockefellers’ Standard Oil (now Exxon), General Motors, ITT and Chase Manhattan Bank.

          The year 1935 marked the height of the Hearst Red baiting campaign in the universities.

          Nylon The Miracle Fiber
          In September 1931, American chemist Wallace Carothers reported on research carried out in the laboratories of the DuPont Company on giant molecules called polymers. He focused his work on a fiber referred to simply as 66, a number derived from its molecular structure. Nylon, the miracle fiber, was born. The Chemical Heritage Foundation is currently featuring an exhibit on the history of nylon.

          By 1938, Paul Schlack of the I.G. Farben Company in Germany, polymerized caprolactam and created a different form of the polymer, identified simply as nylon 6.
          A Short History of Manufactured Fibers

          In 1932 IG gave Adolf Hitler its full support during the election and so Hitler was presented with the Chancellorship of Germany. Without the support of the IG and the rest of the German monopolies and cartels, Hitler could not have won his political fight. And the German industrialists could see that without Hitler their empires would crumble.
          Bayer, Hoechst AG, IG Farben and Nazi Germany

  5. Peter says:

    The Worcester Group produced a superb work called LSD in the 1980s, partially based on The Crucible (in fact Miller sued them to stop). Using the play’s themes of mass hysteria, witch-hunts and “possession” it highlighted the drug war’s destruction of individual lives. Despite Miller’s objections, LSD added a further dimension to the Crucible’s allegory of MacCarthyite oppression, bringing it bang up to date with the scapegoating activities of today’s drug warriors. Its current relevance deserves a wider audience.

  6. darkcycle says:

    In fact the real moral wrong is prohibition. A real moral wrong is locking up people for a medical condition (addiction). A real moral wrong is locking people up for seeking RELIEF from a medical condition (MS, AIDS Wasting, Cancer, IBD, IBS, chronic pain, etc.).
    I would strongly argue drugs, being THINGS, aren’t morally wrong, they’re morally NEUTRAL. Like all things, the moral element doesn’t enter into the equation until they are used by a Human Being; a moral agent. Drugs can clearly be used to heal, and they can be used to kill. Until a purpose is selected and the drug is put to a use, it’s no more or less moral than a hammer.
    The idea that you can equate a thing (drugs) with an ACTION (enslaving Human Beings) is balderdash. The same spokes-slimeball would toss out the old “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people” argument without batting an eye. Santorum is a special kind of weasel.

    • allan says:

      Right on… much like what Zappa said. And please, let’s not insult weasels. Weasel’s are tough critters and male weasels have balls, Santorum prolly not so much (or actually, physically, the same size as a weasel’s testicularities).

    • all true (yes, including the bits about weasels and santorum’s testicles) — but, perhaps of even greater relevance is the fact that the drug laws are designed to punish intent of use rather than distribution, possession or use itself.

      cocaine, methamphetamines and incredibly potent opiates are all legal *if* used as “medicine” — but considered illegal to even possess if the intent of possession is consumption for pleasure.

      in the minds of the sado-moralist ass weasels, pleasure is the greatest evil

  7. President Lincoln says:

    “he believes as Abraham Lincoln – that states do not have the right to legalize moral wrongs.”

    Abraham Lincoln never wavered in his opposition to prohibition. In 1840 he led the charge against statewide prohibition in Illinois and voted against it.

    Comparing the repugnancy of slavery to drug use is standing reality on its head. PROHIBITION IS SLAVERY! Read “The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness” by Michelle Alexander.

    • DdC says:

      “Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man’s appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded.”
      ~ Abraham Lincoln (att)

      Lincoln was against prohibition, as were the Woman’s Christian Temperance Movement. They were for temperance and stopping abuse, public drunkenness and the welfare of the children. Rockefeller brought us Booze Prohibition and succeeded in removing ethanol distilled by farmers for their own tractors, and for Ford’s biomass engines and veggie oil diesels. With the same Hearst Yellow Journalism condemning drinking in order to enact the 19th amendment, and then reversing himself after the crude oil infrastructure was in place bringing us the 21st amendment. While continuing to prohibit farmers from distilling their own tractor fuel from last years crop remnants. Same tactics to remove recreational Ganja and curtail Rx and Hemp roduction with red tape and tax stamps. Then Nixon lumped it all together as a schedule#1 narcotic. To this day eliminating competition via legislation.

      “I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country… Corporations have bee enthroned, an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money-power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.”
      — Abraham Lincoln, November 12, 1864 (att)

      Al Capone and Watergate were red herrings to divert the countries attention from the Fascist acts of eliminating competition. Booze/Ethanol or Ganja//Hemp.

      “I am against Prohibition because it has set the cause of temperence back twenty years; because it has substituted an ineffective campaign of force for an effective campaign of education; because it has replaced comparatively uninjurious light wines and beers with the worst kind of hard liquor and bad liquor; because it has increased drinking not only among men but has extended drinking to women and even children.”
      ~ William Randolph Hearst,
      initially a supporter of Prohibition,
      explaining his change of mind in 1929.
      From “Drink: A Social History of America” by Andrew Barr (1999), p.239.

  8. Francis says:

    What are you guys talking about? I’d say the drug war / slavery analogy makes a lot of sense. What’s that? Santorum is comparing the people who want to STOP locking their fellow citizens in cages to slavery supporters?!

    *dramatic slow clap*

    I’ve got to hand it to him. That’s ballsy.

  9. Francis says:

    Now that I think about it maybe the analogy doesn’t work. Slavery involved the improper claim of ownership over another human being, including a claim to own the slave’s body. What does that have to do with prohibition?

    • claygooding says:

      If you consider that most prisons are full of slave labor,indentured labor working at a lot less than minimum wage,perhaps the analogy is correct.

    • if you claim for yourself the power to inflict punishment against people (up to and including killing them) and void their choices concerning the acts they perpetrate directly upon themselves, you have pretty much claimed ownership over them and stripped them of free will. if that isn’t slavery, the only thing missing is the whips and chains. oops, they’ve been replaced with cages and the destruction of livelihood.

  10. Ben says:

    Perry got the marijuana question? Looks like the whole Republican field is going to have to answer it soon. Sure would be nice to hear Romney say anything other than “PROHIBITION FOREVER!”

    • darkcycle says:

      Romney will say what ever he thinks people want to hear.

      • Francis says:

        What? I’ve always pegged Romney as a principled truth teller, the kind of no-nonsense straight shooter who speaks his mind without filtering or focus testing, not a politician so much as a true statesman, a man with the courage of his convictions and a willingness to let the chips fall where they may, political consequences be damned. That’s not your read?

        • Peter says:

          watch that irony Francis….it could get you in trouble

        • Duncan20903 says:

          I agree, Mr. Romney has a public image of being trustworthy due to the super human efforts of his publicist. The only reason for which Mr. Romney will lie is to protect his reputation of being an honest man. But you can hardly blame him. He’s paid some pretty stiff fees to cultivate that perception so you can hardly blame him for wanting to protect that reputation.

  11. Free Radical says:

    Someone needs to bring this Lincoln quote to sanctimonious Santorum’s attention:

    “Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man’s appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded.”

    Abraham Lincoln (1809-65), U.S. President.
    Speech, 18 Dec. 1840, to Illinois House of Representatives

    • Duncan20903 says:

      It really is a shame that Mr. Lincoln never said that. It sounds so darn Presidential.

      Do take a look at his Springfield Address to the Washington Temperance Society of Springfield, Illinois on the page linked above. The man was a hardcore prohibitionist, no doubt.

      • DdC says:

        Dunk just likes to wallow in mud. Lincoln was not a prohibitionist, stop lying. Little lapdog digging up dirt just cause he likes the taste. One opinion is as good as another usually. But dunk’s link is not evidence, it’s opinion and lack of evidence. Even lacks circumstantial evidence. Especially common sense. Lincoln was quoted many times as being in favor of temperance. One whom is in favor of temperance is against prohibition. I accept the quote over the word of Dr. Mark Kleiman, a professor at Harvard University, contributed the following: I tried to verify the purported Lincoln anti-prohibition quote. Yes, we have no bananas. So, like the prohibitionists hurling mud just to see if it sticks. Dunk joins the ranks. Words do have meaning except when trolls try to deny and lump them together as they did Ganja and Hemp. Or hurling the “M” word. Denying Hearst’s racism. Or Rockefellers influence in removing ethanol. Or evolution or the medicinal benefits of Ganja. Climate change or fossil fools. Just being denialists is their only evidence. Baseless facts nark trolls use to cloud the issues. Usually for profit as with the Koch teabog deniers. I have no respect for them. If they would die horrible deaths today, I’d be happy to piss on their graves tomorrow.

        Correction typo: That should have been 18th and not 19th amendment.

        1. The action of forbidding something, esp. by law.
        2. A law or regulation forbidding something.

        1: moderation in action, thought, or feeling : restraint
        2a : habitual moderation in the indulgence of the appetites or passions
        b : moderation in or abstinence from the use of alcoholic beverages

        Lincoln’s Temperance Address
        Springfield, Illinois February 22, 1842
        It is true, that even then, it was known and acknowledged, that many were greatly injured by it; but none seemed to think the injury arose from the use of a bad thing, but from the abuse of a very good thing. The victims of it were pitied, and compassionated, just as now are the heirs of consumptions, and other hereditary diseases. Their failing was treated as a misfortune, and not as a crime, or even as a disgrace.

        Lincoln among the Reformers: Tempering the Temperance Movement
        LUCAS E. MOREL
        In particular, he expounds against the errors of seeking to move people to reform by threats of damnation—a practice commonly ascribed to preachers. Lincoln’s rhetorical intent in donning the frock of the preacher as he inquired into the “rational causes” of the late success of the temperance movement remains quizzical unless seen in light of his understanding of the requirements of self-government.

        Lincoln: Temperance Address part 1

        Lincoln: Temperance Address part 2

        Temperance and Prohibition Era Propaganda: A Study in Rhetoric

        Temperance movement
        A temperance movement is a social movement urging reduced use of alcoholic beverages. Temperance movements may criticize excessive alcohol use, promote complete abstinence (teetotalism), or pressure the government to enact anti-alcohol legislation or complete prohibition of alcohol.

        Lincoln on Temperance

        • DdC says:

          “And here we come to the vital distinction between the advocacy of temperance and the advocacy of prohibition. Temperance and self-control are convertible terms. Prohibition, or that which it implies, is the direct negation of the term self-control. In order to save the small percentage of men who are too weak to resist their animal desires, it aims to put chains on every man, the weak and the strong alike. And if this is proper in one respect, why not in all respects? Yet, what would one think of a proposition to keep all men locked up because a certain number have a propensity to steal?”
          — Felix Mendelsohn, 1915

  12. Peter says:

    Don’t the Log Cabin Republicans take their name from Lincoln’s birthplace, in the knowledge that he is considered by many to have been gay? How does frothy Santorum square that with his “moral wrongs?”

  13. Duncan20903 says:

    Did LEAP fire Howard Woolridge? It’s probably BS as I can’t find anything to verify, but I did read that yesterday. It would be a mother flipping shame if LEAP has joined the Reform Advocates Professional Infighting League. Most disappointing indeed.
    ———– ———– ———– ———– ———– ———– ———– ———– ———– ———–

    From the “potheads are well known liars, and we’re shocked when they can prove they’re telling the truth” file:

    Two Houston police officers could be asking “dude, where’s my credibility?” after a suspect accused them of eating his pot brownies.

    Nicholas Hill, 19, claims that Houston cops took his brownies, that they knew were laced with marijuana, and munched away after arresting the teen for pot possession.

    ABC 13 found something more substantial than just Hill’s claim. The station reports that it has obtained messages typed by the officers on their in-car computers after confiscating and consuming the baked goods.

    The Cannabinoidians have had it with the pathetic pothead humor that the idiot journalists seem incabable of avoiding:

    “It’s almost as if these so called “journalists” can’t help themselves. They seem constitutionally incapable of writing a story involving cannabis without including pathetic attempts at humor which would be deemed immature kindergarten babble by third graders. I’d call them clowns but clowns would be too ashamed of the total lack of humor involved to regurgitate such pap.

    I suppose I could have my arm twisted into admitting that the jokes were mildly amusing the first 74,323 times that they were told (this year), but come on, this [shit] was getting old before grandma’s grandma was born.”
    ………. ………. ………. ………. ……….

    On the other hand, it’s a great segue into linking to a certain brownie commercial… Let’s see if the Huffington Post will actually publish the link. Why the heck is the HP the worst in the world when it comes to comments censoring?

    • darkcycle says:

      Huff post has been weird about comments for a long while. Mine went from being allowed quite a bit, to completely disallowed. I haven’t been able to sign in to my account to comment several times now. I’ve stopped wasting my time with them. I read yours all the time, and you have attained the coveted “super user” status. How come you get to hang out with the popular kids? Is it my hair?

      • Duncan20903 says:

        No, it was because you tripped Arianna’s grandmother when you were amusing yourself at that busy intersection near the old folks’ home, and she broke her hip. Arianna’s never going to forgive you for that. Some people just have no sense of humor.

        I have no clue how I got to be a “level 2 superuser.” I don’t even know what that is or that I was one until you mentioned it. I have overridden colors from web pages so I can view the world in traditional red, blue, black and white and all that superuser crap disappears from HP with the colors off.

        They’re not going to post the link to the FiberOne commercial. That’s no surprise, it would be almost like giving away free advertising.
        ———- ———- ———- ———- ———- ———- ———- ———-
        Christ on a crutch I feel like such a mark. I found some things about Microsoft OS annoying and fell for the con job that Apples are better machines. Horse spit. I’ve never owned a box that sucked worse than this MacBook Pro. Stve and the Con Jobs beat me for an extra $800. I literally could have had 2 1/2 PC clones for the price I paid for this piece of sewage.

        • darkcycle says:

          Dude, I got a Dell. Top o’ the line inspiron w/quad-core hooey-whommets and gigawhatsis up the yangdoodle. I could be master of the universe, or so it tells me.
          Oh shit, my kid just spilled grape juice on it- gotta go…

        • Duncan20903 says:

          Oops, I spoke too soon. They did post the link to the C&C short on Huffington Post. Is that Gomer Pyle I hear? Surprise surprise surprise.

        • Leonard Junior says:

          Live and learn, but I was under the impression that it was common knowledge.

        • iFeelYourPain says:

          Macs are perfect as long as you avoid iTunes, iPhoto and Safari

    • DdC says:

      Did LEAP fire Howard Woolridge?

      Keep up dude, that’s old news.
      No wonder your gossip is so far off mark.

  14. Duncan20903 says:

    I was wondering, why doesn’t anyone ever mention miscegenation when the subject of gay marriage comes up? I think the arguments and motivations against both were very similar .

    • the motivations behind every failure of American society to truly embrace equality has always been the same: religion. in the “christian nation,” you aren’t allowed to point that out to them.

      • Randy says:

        Hear! Hear!

        It never ceases to amaze me how so many Christians have yet to fully understand the Golden Rule. Evidently, loving your neighbor like you love yourself and doing unto others as you would do to yourself doesn’t apply to “sinners”. The violence and threat of violence they bring to bear against their neighbor’s peacable actions via the drug laws is just the opposite of the what the Golden Rule teaches.

        Sadly, the average Christian in the world today has more in common with the Pharisees of 2000 years ago than they do with Jesus.

        I take no pleasure in saying that.

        • DdC says:

          It’s no small wonder why Jesus wasn’t a Christian.
          Or did he ever accept the one up title of christ.
          Khristzions stole the name and the works of Jesus
          for their own Roman/Sanhendren fascism.
          It should be no surprise as to why they are such ruthless murdering hypocrites. Like the Ganjawar. If the roots are poison so be the fruit…


          The Tree of Life.

          “In every country and in every age,
          the priest has been hostile to liberty.
          He is always in alliance with the despot,
          abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.”
          — Thomas Jefferson, – 1814

  15. ezrydn says:

    The Howard/LEAP split happened last year or just before, as I remember. It was an amicable split. Howard did’t miss a beat as far as Congress went. He’s still there, pounding on doors, 2-3 minute discussions, you name it. You can catch him at COPS. Join up and get on his mailing list. You’ll hear from him almost ever week then. Some of his presentations are getting attention due to his “theatrics.” Whatever it takes, Howard!

  16. N.T. Greene says:

    “Morality” is the last line of defense for those who find themselves opposed to reason.

    True morality is innocuous; it is the innate desire to do what is best for the many. In this day and age, however, zealotry and ignorance masquerade as “morals”.

    Being raised in an ardent Roman Catholic family, I learned very early on that there is a definite separation between modern “morals” and the value systems that serve as their bases. Many of these men who expound at length about what is and is not “moral” stand in stark contrast against what they claim to represent. We wish to emulate Jesus… so we must go to war against those who do not believe? We are taught to love one another unconditionally… yet we are often called to hate those who are different from us?

    The “moral men” of this era sicken me. History will be unkind to them, even if the masses of the present refuse to be.

    • darkcycle says:

      Allan, that may be a red herring. In the thread there seems to be some controversy. If I scare anything up, I’ll post.

      • allan says:


        Federal law prohibits sale of firearms to medical marijuana users

        After a number of inquiries, The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives sent a letter to its Federal Firearm Licensees (FFL) telling them not to sell guns to people using marijuana.

        So… don’t be smoking a joint while buying a gun. Or be talking to the salesperson about your new mmj card…

        • it’s because marijuana possession is still a federal offense.

        • DdC says:

          Good Luck Dana!

          It’s not a federal offence for individuals in states authorizing its use. But… Private corporations are still trying to opress individuals. Low income or HUD Property management (non government) agencies also ban guns and are trying to ban medicinal use and growing in their apartments. Disregarding Prop 215 over the Feds CSA. Most living there are seniors and handicapped without means or wherewithal to fight back. So far it’s just been an addition to the rules. No one has been evicted or threatened as of yet.

          Lawmakers Move To Ban MMJ Use from Car Ins. Claims

          Now back in reality Elvy rules!

          In Decades-Old Program, Uncle Sam Provides Pot
          Eugene, Oregon — Sometime after midnight on a moonlit rural Oregon highway, a state trooper checking a car he had just pulled over found less than an ounce of pot on one passenger: A chatty 72-year-old woman blind in one eye. She insisted the weed was legal and was approved by the U.S. government.

          The trooper and his supervisor were doubtful. But after a series of calls to the U.S. Attorney’s Office, the Drug Enforcement Agency and her physician, the troopers handed her back the card — and her pot.

          Dana Beal

          Cures Not Wars

  17. Mr. Wiggle says:

    PENIS POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! have you heard Barry McCaffry or whatever his name.former DRUG CZAR, niggaz fo realz!,Said he opposes drug testing welfare folks. THIZ SHIT BE OFF THE CHAIN. call all sirins bitches .Obama let the dogs out.WOOF WOOF.and they be shiting on my constution. we need’z a real nigga for president. YA KNA WA I MEENS> LIL WYANE 2012 nigga ,

  18. vickyvampire says:

    I was raised catholic I know plenty of Catholics like me who are Gay and smoke pot the sanctimonious Santorum branch no they are no the majority,thankfully.Catholics tend to be swing voters not that conservative really.
    I don’t understand why these single digit people are still in the debates anyway get lost.

    Toke of the Town Yeah the usual Forfeiture police corruption story cops uses the monies for their own little fun times,the drug war marches on cause they love the on going money train yada yada yada blah blah blah.

    • Duncan20903 says:

      My condolences vicky. I’m a recovering Catholic as well. Sometimes I think they’re just out to make people feel like shit. Perhaps that has something to do with my very devout Catholic (sibling) sister because she left her drunken stumble bum of a husband and the fact that she was excommunicated for bigamy. The Catholic Church does not recognize civil divorce decrees. To add insult to injury they refuse to do the same for me and I dream about getting thrown out of the cult. But I’d throw a party if they did that for me, while it devastated my sister. She actually got recommunicated* after 7 years and stiff fees from the advocatus diaboli who somehow wangled an annulment of her first marriage from the Church. He really earned his fees. Her marriage to her first husband most certainly didn’t qualify for an annulment according to official Church dogma.

      You know, when I was a wee lad for some unknown reason I really wanted to be an altar boy but never was picked by the priest. In hindsight I realize that I was very fortunate that the priest didn’t find me attractive enough. That’s what I call dodging a bullet.

      *is that a real word? It’s been a long time since my catechism classes.

      • darkcycle says:

        Duncan and V.V., I’m with you. My immediate family is Jewish, so that’s how I was raised…when I wasn’t at my Very Catholic Grandparents. Then I was Catholic (I spent about half my childhood years back and forth between the two households). Mass, everything. I went to Catholic Schools after grade five, and all the way through College (PhD from a State University, ran out of money). When people ask my religion, I respond “confusionism”. And no, I did not misspell that word. I meant confusion-ism.

        • Duncan20903 says:

          The Jews are the only religionists for whom I have any respect at all. To the best of my knowledge it’s the only religion where the membership doesn’t try to force their dogma on the rest of humanity and they don’t allow their religion to stand in the way of progress. You needn’t look any further than Israel’s recognition of whole plant cannabinoid medicine. It’s the only place on earth where this medicine is treated similarly to any other recognized medicine. Gosh, the patients in Israel even get to use it in the hospital. What a concept, patients in the hospital actually getting to use their medicine. In a theocracy no less.

        • darkcycle says:

          Oh, it’s not an EVANGELISTIC religion. It’s still a religion, with regressive factions and VERY strict laws and dogma. The Talmud is one harsh set of rules.

    • claygooding says:

      My condolences also vicky…I have suffered for years,,being a lesbian trapped in a mans body.

      I was raised Methodist but Baptist molested.

  19. Dan Beal just had a heart attack while in a holding pen awaiting transfer, and was described as in critical condition:

    • DdC says:

      Activist Dana Beal Sentenced, Suffers Heart Attack
      Iconic activist Dana Beal suffered a heart attack while in a Wisconsin jail awaiting transfer to a state prison to begin serving a 2 ½ prison sentence for marijuana trafficking. According to and the Free Dana Beal and Free Ourselves Facebook page, Beal was stricken Tuesday morning, and at last report, he was hospitalized in stable condition under sedation at the Intensive Care Unit at St. Mary’s Hospital in Madison.

      Dana Beal

      Cures Not Wars

  20. OhutumValik says:

    Can anyone smarter than me comment on this:

    UK Centre for Policy Studies recently published a factsheet entitled “Misleading and Irresponsible Drug Prevalence Statistics: The Global Commission on Drug Policy’s provocative claims of non existent rises do not further rational drug policy debate”?

    Here’s an article:

    Here’s the factsheet itself:

    I bet many who frequent this blog — like me — signed the Avaaz petition that was launched simultaneously with the Global Commission on Drug Policy report — and now it appears that the report has “made up its own numbers”, erroneously attributing them to UN statistics. Should I be feeling like an ass?

    I do not doubt that the prevalent UN drug war model has failed, but GCDP certainly doesn’t help to change it by pulling numbers out of their asses in order to accentuate the threat.

    Are both sides of the drug war lying now, or have I missed something?

  21. Windy says:

    I just thought you all should become aware of this memo from ATF:
    MTCIA Shocked by Memo Suspending Gun Rights for Medical Cannabis Patients

    • Duncan20903 says:

      While it’s kind of an arcane factoid of this issue the only thing new here is the ATF proactively informing people.

  22. Duncan20903 says:

    Big news today!! Who’da thunk it?

    “4 Americans get medical pot from the feds”

    Well I’m shocked, isn’t everyone? Didn’t Mr. Kerlikowske say that there’s no such thing as medicinal cannabis?

    But seriously, why would a blind woman dye her hair? How would she know if the beautician made it the color that she wanted.

    Sometime after midnight on a moonlit rural Oregon highway, a state trooper checking a car he had just pulled over found less than an ounce of pot on one passenger: A chatty 72-year-old woman blind in one eye.

    Well there’s no mistake that it was our Elvy. “Chatty” is a gross understatement. But gosh, the cannabis must be working well. As I recall from the 1993 NORML conference she was (legally) blind as a bat, both eyes.

    I’m almost scared to click on the comments. When I get to the inevitable asshole saying there’s no such thing as medicinal cannabis and saying that Elvy “just wants to get high” it’s going to leave me in a mood of total disgust with the human race and thoughts of murder in my heart for at least an hour. Sometimes it’s very frustrating that first degree murder is frowned upon. Don’t get me wrong, like Linus Van Pelt liked to say, “I love mankind, it’s people I can’t stand.”

    • Duncan20903 says:

      OK, now I recall that she’s totally blind in one eye with something like 20/∞ vision in the other. Still, the story could be read as saying that she can see fine with her working eye, not that she’s clinging desperately to the last vestiges of vision.

    • allan says:

      Just saw that…

      Funny thing about Elvy – and it’s a point she loves to make – she was anti-illegal drugs when her doc suggested cannabis. She was shocked! But it worked so she got over her shock, became educated and became a spokeswoman. That’s what truth can do.

      Elvy “chatty”? Naaah…

      Oh… a point was made about the CBS story… the CIND program was not ended, it was only ended for cannabis.

      • Duncan20903 says:

        I never found Elvy’s chatter annoying. I’ve never understood where she finds such a huge supply but her chatter is always about significant issues. So even though it’s practically non-stop it still adheres to Mr. Ed’s philosophy.

        I’ve never quite understood how the Feds could eliminate cannabis from the program. It was opened to cannabis because of Bob Randall’s victory in his lawsuit against the Feds, right? Did that ruling get overturned or superseded in the early 1990s?

        P.S. I seem to recall posting my question about the program’s termination here before. If it was explained for me then I beg your pardon but it seems that would mean that I’ve forgotten the explanation.

        People yakkity yak a streak
        And waste your time of day
        But Mr. Ed will never speak
        Unless he has something to say

  23. allan says:

    Here’s a copy of a text from Jack Cole’s presentation to law enforcers from 17 countries, last week in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (some highly useful points and quotes for you wwweb pirates):

    If Current Drug Policy Works seven things should have happened:

    1. Drug supply should decrease

    2. Drug purity should decrease

    3. Drug prices should increase

    4. Drug use should decrease

    5. Overdose deaths should decrease

    6. Drug Prohibition murders should decrease

    7. Arrests for drug violations should decrease

    Let’s take each of these items and look at the true facts without clouding our minds with emotion.

    1. Drug supply should decrease

    The easiest way to judge whether that has happened is by looking at drug seizures of the years. At the beginning of the drug war in 1970, law enforcers measured drug seizures in “pounds.” Today we measure them in “Tons.”

    10 tons of heroin – one seizure in the US

    20 tons of cocaine – one seizure in the US

    186 tons of marijuana – one seizure in the US

    2. Drug purity should decrease

    When I started buying heroin as an undercover officer in 1970, street level packages averaged 1½% pure—today they average 60% pure. That is a problem 40 times greater than it was at the beginning of the war.

    3. Drug prices should increase

    According to DEA the wholesale price of cocaine has decreased 60% since the beginning of the war and the wholesale price for heroin has decreased 70%.

    4. Drug use should decrease

    DEA estimated that before we started the drug war there were about 4 million people, above the age of 12, who had used an illegal drug. That was 2% of that population. Today DEA tells us, there are 112 million people, above the age of 12, who have used an illegal drug. That is 46% of this population; a problem 23 times greater than 40 years ago.

    5. Overdose deaths should decrease

    In fact overdose heroin deaths have increased from 28 per hundred-thousand users in 1979 to 141 per hundred-thousand users by 2000; A five-fold increase.

    6. Drug Prohibition murders should decrease

    Of course, as we all know, drug prohibition murders have increased
    dramatically. In Mexico over just the last four years (2007 through 2010) there were 36,510 drug prohibition murders. In Venezuela one of the more recent countries to become a transit site for drug between South America and Europe, in the same time period there were 52,000 drug prohibition murders. And neither of those countries would compare with Guatemala, which experiences 108 murders per hundred-thousand population every year. For perspective compare that with the murder rate in New York City of 8 per hundred thousand population.[1]

    7. Arrests for drug violations should decrease

    One would think that after making more than 41 million arrests for
    nonviolent drug offenses in the course of our longest war in US history, we would eventually run out of people wanting to sell drugs. Not so. In 1965 we made 65,500 of those arrests but by 2005 we had increased that number to 1.9 million a year. It has most recently fallen to 1.7 million in 2009; a rate 25 times higher than before the drug war.

    I learned very early in my 14 years working undercover in narcotics that if a uniformed police officer arrested someone in our neighborhood for rape or robbery, the number of rapes and robberies went down. The officer got the bad guy. But when I arrested a person for selling drugs the number of drugs sales didn’t change at all. I was simply creating a “job opening” for hundreds of people more than willing to take the risk for what they perceived as an obscenely high income.

    With a 40 year war costing $1.5 trillion US tax dollars and crippling at least 41 million lives, one would think that at the very least we would have had some effect on the rate of people in the US who are addicted to illicit drugs. Sadly, that is also not true.

    In 1914 before we had our first federal law prohibiting some drugs (when all drugs were available to everyone regardless of age) the government told us 1.3% of the population was addicted. We couldn’t have that so we started making those drugs illegal. In 1970 when we were getting ready to start a “war on drugs,” our government told us 1.3% of the population was addicted to drugs. Couldn’t have that, must start a war. After 40 years of raging drug war our government tells us 1.3% of the population is addicted to drugs. That is the only statistic that has not changed in a hundred years.

    But some statistics have changed dramatically. For instance the clearance rate of arrests for major crimes in the US has declined considerably. That means police are no longer solving major crimes like they did before the drug war. Today, 4 of ten murders, 6 of 10 reported rapes & arsons, 7 of 10 reported robberies, and 9 of 10 reported home burglaries are unsolved.

    I would like to point out that before the drug war, in 1963 our police were credited with solving 91% of the murders in the US. Today they solve 61%. What happened? Did we suddenly become incompetent?

    The 50,000 police, judges, correction officers, and others at Law
    Enforcement Against Prohibition believe law enforcers spend so much time and energy chasing nonviolent drug offenders that we no longer have time to protect people from violent predators, from child abusers, from those things that should really count. And we say, “Let us get back to doing what we do best, protecting people from each other.” It should not be the job of law enforcement to protect every adult from his- or herself and that is the role we have been required to take in enforcing today’s drug laws.

    If you wish to end the violence the choice is simple, legalize all drugs, just as we legalized alcohol in the US in 1933. The next morning Al Capone and his smugglers were out of business. They were no longer killing each other to control that very lucrative business. They were no longer killing us cops, charged with fighting that useless war. They were no longer killing our children in cross-fire and drive-by-shootings.

    When we then regulate those drugs we can stop overdose deaths. No one dies of an overdose because they shoot more and more drugs. They die because they don’t know how much of that tiny package of powder they purchase is really the drug and how much is the cutting agent. Too much drug and they are dead. And in an illegal, unregulated market they will never know.

    When we then regulate those drugs we can prevent half of all potential cases of AIDS and Hepatitis C.

    And then when we start treating drug abuse as a health problem instead of a crime problem we can save the millions of young people we are today sacrificing through arrest and imprisonment on the altar of the drug war.

    And BTW… DEA was in So. Oregon yesterday cutting and whacking gardens. Not much in details, the raids did happen, not a rumor. We haven’t yet heard if these were OMMP patient gardens or not, but it’s likely.

    • Duncan20903 says:

      Well, if you insist on nitpicking…

      You seem to have forgotten that the Know Nothing prohibitionists have only the best of intentions and are trying to make our society a better place for everyone. Aren’t their good intentions worth anything? Mr. Lucifer needs to upgrade the Highway to Hell to accommodate the huge influx of banksters and corrupt government authorities who are expected to significantly expand the population of damned souls in Hell over the next 3 or 4 decades. Where else is he going to get the paving material he needs? You’ve just got to think these things through to the end.

  24. darkcycle says:

    Hey Divadab, you out there today? I’m off to the woods downtown fer some caffeine around 10:30. In my DWR ball cap.

  25. ezrydn says:

    When does Obama get to do the “shuffle step” and answer the “petitions” he asked for? Do we have a date yet? It says there are only 90 petition, many with under 1000 sigs. However, if you list them all out, it’s obvious what he’s going to be confronted with. Of course, he’ll have his little snide leading comment but there’s no way around it. He has to say something!

    I don’t want to miss it. Hopefully, Pete will give us a head’s up on the program.

    • Pete says:

      My understanding is that rather than having a set time to deal with them all, any petition that reaches its 5,000 sigs within 30 days of being established will achieve the threshold and will then be addressed. Officials within the administration (in most cases not the President) will craft a response which will be posted with the petition and emailed to all the petition signers. Then the petition will be forward to the appropriate agency for possible action if appropriate.

      So petitions will be answered on an ongoing basis. Once 30 days passes and a petition has NOT gotten 5,000 sigs, the petition will be removed.

      • Duncan20903 says:

        He’ll likely address the pot petitions “Return to Sender”.

      • Windy says:

        Currently many people are having problems with the petitions, the “Sign This Petition” button is not functioning, it is grey even if one is logged in and has not yet signed that petition. I thought it was only I having the problem, but I’ve seen comments on other sites complaining about that problem, too. Could it be that the powers that be are monkeying with the site so that petitions they don’t like cannot possibly get the required number of signatures in the allowed time?

        • Servetus says:

          I had problems registering to vote on the White House petitions site until I completely exited the marijuana petition page and registered instead by going through the home page.

          Trying to register from the marijuana petition page resulted in a pop-up whose menu buttons were inaccessible because the pop-up was centered too far down to completely show up within the screen area. The menu buttons weren’t even visible, much less operational.

  26. Duncan20903 says:

    OK, Indiana has got me officially fish mouthing. What happened to the jack booted thugs which used to be practically a signature feature of the State? Did Mr. Souder have them hypnotized? Did someone put something in the water? Were the assimilated by the Borg? Replaced by shape shifters? Pods in their bedrooms? What is the explanation??

    Well perhaps I shouldn’t look a gift horse in the mouth. Not that I’d think to look in any horse’s mouth.

    Cancer patient’s medical marijuana seized at airport
    1:41 PM, Sep. 28, 2011

    Indianapolis airport police will destroy a stash of medical marijuana that a 36-year-old breast cancer patient from California tried to bring aboard a flight yesterday.

    Transportation Security Administration screeners found the marijuana in luggage after it passed through an X-ray machine at Checkpoint B of Indianapolis International Airport at 3:30 p.m., according to a police report.

    Starling Wickes, 36, Van Nuys, Calif., told police she had breast cancer and showed them a medical card that confirmed that she was prescribed marijuana.

    Wickes was not charged.|topnews|text|

    It’s almost as if there’s an epidemic of common sense. The world is crashing down around the Know Nothing prohibitionists, and there’s nothing they can do to stop it.

    • Windy says:

      If it were true and full common sense, the cannabis would have been returned to her.

      • Duncan20903 says:

        I think I’m going choose to be pleased as punch that Mr. Souder’s home State declined to put her in jail. We are talking about Indiana for crying out loud.

        Well, I suppose I really should wait a year. It is Indiana after all and the DA might decide to extradite. We are talking about Indiana etc, etc.

  27. ezrydn says:

    Thanks Pete for the response.

    I’m still trying to figure out the rationale for the “moral connect” with cannabis. Two Ph.Ds and a JD and I still can’t connect the dots between the two. Could owning a car have a moral issue? How about enjoying the NO2 at the dentist? Would that cross the morality threshhold? Or, how about owning the “wrong” breed of dog? How does a single genus plant acquire morality issues where other similiar plants (tobacco or hops, for example) have no morality attachment?

    Please, would some high class prohibitionist please log in and set my mind at ease by telling me how you get there from here? All scientific indicators show me that “you can’t get there from here!”

    • DdC says:

      It’s the $ keeping competition off the wall st market.
      It’s the $ “treating criminals”, fabricated by the bogus laws.
      It’s also a threat to the preachers if tokers find god on their own.
      It was competition to the monk’s selling their wine.

      It raises the spirit to search for truth and justice as the Scythians showed. That’s why we’re here. Searching for truth and justice. The Supreme Wart should require it for all judges. It spurs on the oppressed to speak out, causing many of the past lynching’s and rants leading to protests. Ganja balances the body functions back to normal. Opens switches and closes switches according to the cell DNA. Physically and Psychologically. It helps shy and integrated come out of their shells and it calms down boisterous loud mouths. So it’s pretty much a threat to anyone evolved too far into materialism. Plus the side effects of superficiality. Something Gays and the Blue Collars have in common. The plastic people tend to steer clear of the Ganja because it shows them how bound up they really are. How far they have left nature or natural. Into the human manufactured “better life” of the ego.

      The ancient Greek historian Ephorus wrote in the fourth century BC that the Scythians ‘feed on mares milk and excel all men in justice’. His comments were followed in the first century BC by Strabo, who wrote that ‘we regard the Scythians as the most just of men and the least prone to mischief, as also far more frugal and independent of others than we are.’

      Any thing made to sell by humans has to be killed first. Or enslaved then killed. Then products are made from the carcasses. Or from what’s buried. Coffee tables or Whoppers or Plastic bags and flags from Iraqi crude oil. Carbohydrate veggie oil is grown and dies on its own giving its fiber and seed and seen by God as good. Same nazi mentality knowing synthetic non renewable “treatments” create profits. While natural cures and preventions, as simple as good organic food. Takes away their profits. “Treatments” create side effects requiring more treatments. We fail in thinking it can’t happen here. In relying on their plastic infrastructure to the point we can’t fend for ourselves. We are addicted to their fossil foolland, including especially the Ganjawar. To the point of sending kids to their wars protecting the crude. Ganja in itself has anything required to live, without crude oil poly fiber clothing. Or abortion causing pesticide cotton. Without 12 pounds of chemical grain and fresh water for each pound of meat with less balanced protein than Hempseed. Or mercury tainted fish and pollutive dairy cattle. Hempoil omega 3 and 6 is easily digestible the same as our ancestors used.

      Conservatives Have Larger ‘Fear Centers’ in Their Brains
      Liberals have more gray matter in a part of the brain associated with understanding complexity, while the conservative brain is bigger in the section related to processing fear, said the study on Thursday in Current Biology.

      We forget prohibition is a small dot on the historical timeline of cannabis use. Apparently to the point that the cannabinoids are one of the most important and least known systems of the body. The great balancer as I’ve written about from observing patients while doing home health care and hospice work. Stimulates appetites but it also curtails hunger pangs for obesity. Probably better as a preventive than until its occurred. Plus diet and nutrition are only a part of any disorder. Aids Gout and Arthritis and AB’s killing bacterial infections. Though raising self esteem and lowering stress helps. We also tend to forget kids were the most apt to be given Ganja medicines since kids got sick more often. So hundreds of generations of humans ingested cannabis and wove its fibers and now we know it is stronger than trees for plywood, and has more cellulose. More dent resistant than sheet-metal for cars. Shame its just too versatile for wall street to risk.

      The Wrecking Crew, on How Conservatives Rule
      But the most insidious one, the most insidious scheme for permanence, the one that really strikes me, is the use of deficit spending by the right. OK, now, I don’t have a problem with deficit spending. Liberals have used it for decades very effectively. If you’re a Keynesian, it’s one of the tools that you use to get the country out of a recession or, build low-income housing, or whatever it is that you want to do with the state, right? But the conservatives got into power in the early 1980s, and they’re handed this tool, the big old—you know, the power tool of deficit spending, and I’ll be damned, they run that sucker right into the ground and piled up the biggest deficit anyone has ever seen, short of World War II.

      Prohibitions worse symptom as a supposedly civilized culture. Beyond the shackling and caging of stoners and growers. Past the humiliation and expense of getting busted. Even worse than individual patients getting wrestled to the floor by swat idiots. The worse thing is the abstinence seems to stimulate herd mentalities. I’ve heard dung worriers mention cannabis takes that away as if its essential to their manipulations. They need blind faith believers to fight off reality when it shows its head. Trade orchestrations and profit depend on cheap labor and a product. Put hurdles on education and outsource jobs, bust unions and give welfare to multi billion dollar corporations. Now with the right to purchase politicians. Many times on sale. Ganja and Hemp can be a monkey wrench in their I.G.Farben Exxon US Fascism. That’s why I like it. I see why it scares the begeezus out of bigots and Neoconservatude moneysluts.

    • Duncan20903 says:

      A pro re nata morphine pump after surgery is approved. I couldn’t believe how many people I would have never thought started to give me a nudge nudge wink wink (my BIL the career cop!) when I started relating how horrid I thought that nasty shit is. That stuff burns going in like how I’d imagine shooting up battery acid would feel. Nobody would have approved of me taking my cannabrex though. Even my wife gave me the evil eye for that. But IV opiates at the hospital, no problem, enjoy! Go figure that one out.

  28. DdC says:

    10 years for $31 of pot

    Ask an Oklahoma Judge to reduce mom’s 10 year sentence for $31 of pot

    An Oklahoma mom sold $31 of marijuana to an undercover cop. For that offense — her first arrest — Patricia Spottedcrow is serving 10 years in prison.

    What Patricia did was illegal, but many activists feel that the harsh punishment far outstrips the severity of the offense, especially for a first-time offender convicted of a nonviolent crime.

    In just a few days, Oklahoma Judge Robert Davis will decide whether to modify Patricia’s sentence. So Garret Overstreet, a member from Oklahoma, started a petition asking Judge Davis to release Patricia from prison and issue a more humane punishment sentence. Please add your name to the petition now.

    Patricia has already spent nine months in prison — more time than most marijuana first-offenders ever serve. During that time, she’s taken parenting classes and even finished her GED. But Patricia has also missed her one-year-old daughter’s first words. And unless Judge Davis reduces her sentence next week, Patricia will be on track to stay in prison until her youngest daughter is in middle school.

    Judge Davis probably doesn’t hear from the public much about his cases. So imagine his reaction when thousands of letters in support of Patricia from around the country show up in his office.

    Click here to sign the petition asking Judge Robert E. Davis to release Patricia from prison at her sentencing hearing next week: Thanks for being a change-maker,
    – Michael and the team

  29. Adreas says:

    Pwlhsh rologiwn kai ergwn texnhs. Dwrean ektimhseis .

  30. Tom says:

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