You violate my rights, and I’ll have you arrested

bullet image Chilling Her Softly. Jacob Sullum writes about the very disturbing case of the legal persecution of Siobhan Reynolds and pain doctors, now officially sanctioned by the Supreme Court.


bullet image By now, you’re probably all aware of the invasive new TSA procedures in airports, and have heard of the now famous body scan resistor, John Tyner.

The TSA is not happy. They need a compliant public and Tyner (and his junk) is quickly becoming an anti-authoritarian hero.

TalkLeft explains another reason why we should care:

Pretty soon they will in all public places, including train and bus stations. […]

These machines don’t just detect explosives. They detect other things, like drugs. What an end run around the 4th Amendment, particularly if you are not traveling but just going about your business.


bullet image Excellent piece by LEAP’s Neill Franklin in the Huffington Post: A Cop’s Advice on Dealing with Cops

As a 33-year law enforcement veteran and former training commander with the Maryland State Police and Baltimore Police Department, I know how easy it is to intimidate citizens into answering incriminating questions or letting me search through their belongings. This reality might make things easier for police looking to make an easy arrest, but it doesn’t always serve the interests of justice. That’s why I believe all citizens should understand how to protect their constitutional rights and make smart decisions when dealing with officers of the law.


bullet image [Oops. An article from last year…] The American Medical Association Reconsiders Marijuana. Will the Justice Department Follow?

…despite how the culture around pot has changed, defenders of the current federal policy have clung to a prominent, and trusted, ally to back them: the American Medical Association, which the justice department often cites when enforcing marijuana policy.

So it it might have come as a surprise on Tuesday when the AMA announced that, after 72 years, it was reversing its pot policy—and urged the federal government to do the same. Precipitated by a similar decision by the group’s Medical Student Section, the AMA resolved that “that marijuana’s status as a federal Schedule 1 controlled substance be reviewed,” with the goal of facilitating clinical research, and presented a new medical report, conducted by its Council on Science and Public Health, laying out the drug’s various medical benefits.


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60 Responses to You violate my rights, and I’ll have you arrested

  1. kaptinemo says:

    Dr. Woodward, thou art avenged!

    Long ago, Dr. Woodward, the only physician worth a damn who testified against cannabis prohibition at the Anslinger hearings, was an AMA member. He (as well as the AMA) was also a thorn in Anslinger’s side, as he’d been engaged in what amounted to an ideological street fight with Anslinger for years over Anslinger’s lies about illicit drugs. He was essentially treated as a pariah at the hearing, and his sage words of warning were not heeded. And so began the madness…

    The matter of the AMA making a volteface and now recommending research into cannabis is bigger than you might think. Not only has a major ideological brick been removed from the prohib’s bulwarks, a challenge to Big Oil has just been made, for as anyone who has studied the origins of the prohibition know that most of the prohibs back then were allied to the petroleum (and by derivation, banking) industry.

    But there’s another aspect to this: The AMA has, in effect, challenged the DEA, which has inserted itself between the once-hallowed doctor/patient relationship with its’ assault on pain doctors and their nurses.

    The pain doctors and nurses (like Ms. Reynolds) until now have not been able to fight back. Many have been imprisoned in what amounts to a modern-day Inquisition, their patients have suffered terribly (some have committed suicide and left behind videos of them blaming the DEA for their demise) and nothing has been done to yank the out-of-control guard-dog DEA’s leash to cause it to heel.

    This is certainly one way; in a somewhat oblique fashion the AMA has taken aim at the DEA’s weakest point, as cannabis prohibition is the lynch-pin to holding the DEA’s DrugWar gravy train together. And cannabis prohibition itself is built upon a foundation of Lysenkoist lies, where science was prostituted and distorted to serve a political agenda. An agenda that is no longer economically supportable.

  2. claygooding says:

    AMEN Kap,isn’t it proof positive that the US government is a pawn of the industrialists,that they are willing to spend every dime in the budget to protect their interests and keep hemp/marijuana off the open market.

    And they do it by only spending a fraction of what the costs are to the American citizens.

  3. kaptinemo says:

    Clay, it’s especially maddening when you think that Dr. Woodward had predicted precisely what would happen, i.e. the stifling of research into cannabis’ potential as more than what it was known to be at the time. Mainly it was used as an analgesic and anti-inflammatory; nobody knew back then about the anti-neoplastic (anti-cancer) properties. Not to mention cannabis’ industrial uses were only beginning to be explored.

    I’ve said it many times before that cannabis in hemp form represents an incredible botanical ‘Swiss Army Knife’. It can do almost anything: house you, clothe you, feed you, power your industries (hemp seeds have the highest concentration of usable oil in nature and makes great diesel fuel) and reduce air pollution (and greenhouse gasses like CO2) and ground pollution (hemp was used at Chernobyl to draw the radionucleotides out of the soil) while benefiting the land in general (the root system breaks the soil up, and makes percolation easier). It’s an engineer’s dream, almost like the mythical alkahest from which anything could be made. Only this is very real.

    All this and more can be had in one plant. A plant that certain very powerful people never wanted their fellow Americans to have access to. Dr. Woodward’s words were prophetic to the extreme, and one day I hope to see a Woodward Award in which doctors in true service to the nation are honored for their honesty and integrity in the face of bureaucratic lies and skullduggery.

  4. So tired of... says:

    …the assult on our freedoms in the name of ‘security’…

    Pretty soon they will in all public places, including train and bus stations. […]

    Many of us seen this coming long ago. Those who give up securit for freedom deserve neither. This will be a nice end run to bust people for weed and anything else that may be deemed’illegal’. If people dont think the police state isnt here, you better wake up…its only going to get worse. We are in a time when we will be made criminals for things that are NOT crimes.

    The AMA has done us right but, I fear this wont make any difference. Big money has a strangle hold on our society, a hold that is only tightening. It wouldnt suprise me to see medical marijuana suddenly become’illegal’ depite voters choices. Why would this happen? They fear lose of control over ‘thier’ empire. That noose is tightening, another economic calamity will pull it tighter in the interests of’national security’ robbing us of the last glimmers of freedom.

  5. Ben Mann says:

    Isn’t that AMA piece over a year old?

    • Pete says:

      Whoops. Yes. Thanks.

      This happens quite often to bloggers. Someone sends them a tip, we look at the date (November 13) and see that it’s current but fail to notice the year. Then other bloggers see it and pick it up assuming its current because the first blogger does it.

      I knew that AMA had acted previously, but there are sub-committees and larger committees and the AMA as a whole, and I couldn’t remember where it was in all of that, so it didn’t particularly surprise me to see it as a “new” item.

      Still, it’s good stuff.

  6. Ben says:

    Yeah, I noticed that after reading it. I knew I had read about the AMA changing their stance before, but from the reading of the article, assumed I had read about the AMA’s Medical Student Section changing their policy, not the AMA doing it officially. I guess I should have trusted my gut instinct :P.

  7. darkcycle says:

    Good stuff indeed, if only to remind everybody of the inaction. After all, that call reschedule was made a year ago…and the Feds did nothing (big surprise).
    Pain Doctors are blameless, even when their patients abuse or divert the drugs (which as it happens is very seldom). Can you explain to me how a physician, in an office can know the fate of every single pill he prescribes? Yet that is exactly the standard to which they are being held.

  8. Facecrime says:

    Tubes of interwebs has some interesting theories. Remember anything that is not a coincidence theory is conspiracy. They want the airline industry to collapse so they can take it over. Another one is they are looking for people carrying large amounts of cash. Or they want an incident(s) to break out where someone starts a fight or attacks TSA mouth breathers causing a crackdown on what dwindling rights we have. Hope those checks pay well TSA Gestapo because you’re all gonna get cancer from the machines.

  9. darkcycle says:

    Yeah, the mouth breathers will all get cancer from those machines. Unfortunately that gets the people executing the policy, leaving the people who instituted the policy (to enrich and empower themselves) untouched. That’s justice? How?

  10. claygooding says:

    The AMA’s change of stance is over a year old but the article in Newsweek is brand new. We have been asking at all the weed sites when the Dept of Justice/ONDCP would
    acknowledge their change and act upon it,to little avail.
    The article in Newsweek brings our questions to the mainstream media,a better outlet with more of str8
    America being exposed to it,,,,,,more batter on the fish!!!!!!

  11. Madd Havik says:

    Hey Pete, have you seen this article yet from the Daily Caller about Michele Leonhart’s committee hearing? Reading it makes me sick to my stomach, the worst part about it is that Jeff Sessions is my senator.

    http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/18/michele-leonhart-one-step-closer-to-officially-heading-up-the-dea/print/

  12. Bruce says:

    Beautiful, Kap’n! I knew instinctively when I checked here last nite it would be wrong to hog the first post.

    The prohibby’s here are in overdrive, demonizing everything in loud authorative voices, not just frightening the children but also taking them away from their loving parents. Been more child deaths in care of Child Protective Services than there was before the agency was created. This inestimable damage to society must end.

  13. darkcycle says:

    Michelle the lying bitch’s confirmation and appointment should be just one more sign. Obama is firmly and totally in the grasp of the Corporations (just like all of our national politicians). And as such, he is no friend of the legalization movement, as well as being a traitor to all of those who elected him.
    I for one will titter with glee when the Republican House impeaches him for the same crimes committed by Bush. It will be a marvelous kabuki.

  14. kaptinemo says:

    Normally, I’m content to ‘leave karma to karma’, as my old sensei used to put it. But I am seriously wishing for some particularly devastating karma to hit those purportedly ‘progressive’ lawmakers who didn’t lay into Leonhart when they had the chance.

    That Bushite has gotten a free ride on our dime for far too long…and will continue to, so long as she spouts the ‘party line’…which is an offense to sentience. She’s a symbol of the inherent hypocrisy and mendacity of the Bush Too (deliberate misspelling) era.

    That Obama is keeping her on is a slap in the face of all ‘progressives’. But that’s nothing new; a lot of ‘progressives’ have been very practiced in ‘turning the other cheek’ when it comes to the issue of drug prohibition for decades…which is why said ‘progressive’ cheeks are politically black-and-blue-and-bloody from the trauma. That they won’t complain about it, especially when minorities, their supposed natural allies, are the biggest targets of drug prohibition, says a lot. They had a chance at the hearing, but didn’t dare open their pie-holes; afraid of pissing off Obama, maybe?

    They ought to be more afraid of pissing off their own constituents – many of whom support MMJ laws.

    Wankers…

  15. Cliff says:

    “…the assult on our freedoms in the name of ‘security’…

    As a person who conscientiously guards my right to self ownership, I’m getting a kick out of the whining from those who would willingly pee for pay but draw the line at naked body scanners.

    After all, it’s a free country, they can find another way to travel other than flying, just like they tell me that I can find a comparable job that doesn’t make me urinate into a cup. Giving up your self ownership is a bargain with the devil, after you have sold yourself for a few trinkets and baubles, what do you have left?

    I feel no pity for these people.

  16. allan420 says:

    I still flashback to that day in college (’76? ’77?) when an injun (Chumash) buddy asked me, “so, what you gonna do when you havta show your ID to the Nat’l Guard troops to shop at Safeway?” That day gets ever closer…

    And it is amazing Cliff how those people who cry about “losing their freedoms” under Obama still remain anywhere from reluctant to just damn opposed to hearing that message from us because they just know we’re obsessed with ganja and what do we know about freedom, damn one-track-mind lazy hippie pot head leftist commie pinko liberal couch potatoe mf’ers!

    Even tho’ even the least eloquent among us can hold their own against the Prohibitionists and their vacuous smoke and mirror arguments…

  17. DdC says:

    I saw on the news where this guy couldn’t even leave the airport until the rentacops said it was OK. Even if he decided not to fly they still had to put their grubby paws over his “junk”. Isreal’s Airport Security says all of this is a waste and very dangerous because they spend all the time on 99.9% innocent passengers.

    John Tyner, 31, said he was told he could face a civil lawsuit and a $10,000 fine for leaving the screening area before the security check was complete

    ‘Countdown with Keith Olbermann’ for Wednesday, Nov. 17th, 2010

    OLBERMANN: A Senate hearing on junk. A leak of 400 body scans, an “Apple Daily” video on the fiasco, and a man who designs security for EL AL Airlines saying none of this is necessary, nor even useful. The TSA versus the USA over TNA.

    OLBERMANN: I‘m joined now by Isaac Yeffet. Not only was he a long-time anti-terrorism specialist for the Israeli Secret Services, but he was also director of security for El Al Airlines, and he now runs a security consulting business in New Jersey. Thank you for some of your time tonight, sir.

    ISAAC YEFFET, FMR. SECURITY DIR. EL AL AIRLINES: Thank you for having me.

    OLBERMANN: As hyperbolic as that animated video is, it‘s not that hyperbolic. Are any of these things that we do now at the airports, pat-downs, the body scans, even taking off the shoes—are any of these things useful?

    YEFFET: No, not at all. The opposite. The opposite. If we spend now hundreds of millions of dollars to buy a body scanner only because of the Nigerian Abdulmutallab that hide the explosives in his underwear, and the body scanner is used for pilots that are flying thousands of passengers, and they are the terrorists or they are the suspicious, close the business.

    OLBERMANN: Yes.

    YEFFET: We don‘t need to spend one dollar to buy body scanners. Who you are searching—

    OLBERMANN: Yes.

    YEFFET: — only suspicious passengers. We interview every passenger.

    OLBERMANN: Explain that. Because it seems too simple when we‘ve had ten years of taking our shoes off and standing in line for an hour. Why does it work? And what does the interview consist of? And who does it?

    YEFFET: First of all, we have to understand that people are waiting in line to go to the ticket counter. While they are waiting in line, this is opportunity for us as security people to go in to interview every passenger.

    We must hire qualified people. We must train them well. And we need to teach them how to approach with the passengers, to let them understand we are not coming to investigate you; we are not coming to insult you; we are coming to help you to fly safe and secure, to go where you go to your destination. continued

  18. Ed Dunkle says:

    Here’s a big fan of Tanya Treadway, the Pill Mill Monitor AKA Kay Van Wey. She’s a big money maker, too!

    “Because of the successful results she has achieved on behalf of her clients, Kay became a member of the Million Dollar Advocates Forum as well as the Multi-million Dollar Advocates Forum.”

  19. Madd Havik says:

    Heres a hilarious video of what the japanese think of our new TSA policies:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TEeRD26hDDw

  20. darkcycle says:

    One of the more ridiculous, pathetic and disgusting news pieces of the day:
    http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2010/nov/18/federal_and_state_police_conduct

  21. ezrydn says:

    The AMA article is “timeless” at the moment and needs to be posted over and over so more people will see it. For it is now the position of the AMA and shows that the government is incapable of handling change or science. It shows where the true logjam resides. By reposting it, the public and the government are reminded of the loss of the Prohib cornerstone.

  22. Bruce says:

    re;

    darkcycle;…the drill took 18 months of planning and cost the bureau $500,000.

    lolwut
    I been 180 months of planning how I’m ever gonna get dentures…
    What a joke.

  23. Skeeter McClintock says:

    LMFAO! Just read an article that Obomba is going to give Shrub the presidential medal of freedom. Ohh that is rich. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/obama-give-george-hw-bush-presidential-medal-freedom/

  24. Skeeter McClintock says:

    Ohh I was so busy laughing I didn’t notice it is award for Pappy Bush. That is just as bad.

  25. Cliff says:

    I also find it funny that the naked body scanners are the new right wing boogieman, like they weren’t aiding and abetting the total shredding of the US Consitution with Patriot, drug war, etc.

  26. So tired of... says:

    ….the gawd damn government…

    Ya you can find another way to get around for now with out body scanners…for now. All its gonna take is one more false flag, one more home grown ‘terrorist’ ,
    one more real terroirts strike, one more wtf ever. Just one more thing to add to the already unbearable squeeze they have us ALL in…

    They aint giving up thier propaganda, thier drugwar spoils,thier empire til its taken from thier cold dead hands.

  27. vicky vampire says:

    Quote Talk left Explains-Very troubling Art Bell and George Noory on Coast to Coast for years have had folks from all around politcal spectrum warning of coming police state not just camera but aireport nude scanners now maybe coming everywhere everyday we march to stranger, deranged confusing times some folks are standing up to it but in a few days media can destroy your life trying speaking up. Yeah the Empire mongers are on full throttle.

  28. Duncan20903 says:

    Time cover, November 22, 2010 issue. On your local newsstand now:

    The United States of Amerijuana.

    http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/2010/1101101122_400.jpg

    So Pete, what happens when we’re done with the cannabis issue? It sure feels like it’s a done deal to me. If it wasn’t for that damn 1978 Christmas party I’d be certain it was all over except the parade. Please don’t anyone get Gil high on cocaine next month. It would short putt me over the edge. You wouldn’t like me if I went over the edge.

    I’m not kidding, we should have a parade. How about July 4 in Lafayette Park across from the White House?

  29. Shap says:

    Off topic from the open thread but Pete, I’m very surprised you didn’t have anything on here about the Four Loko FDA ban which has created as close to drug war hysteria as any other product released in the last few years. Here’s the TIME story that sounded like a William Randolph Hearst marijuana hysteria article straight out of 1937.

    http://healthland.time.com/2010/11/16/will-the-fda-ban-sales-of-four-loko/

  30. Duncan20903 says:

    kaptinemo I’ve gotta say recently I’ve come to the opinion that the industrial uses of hemp our our achilles heel, not our advantage. What would happen economically if hemp were r-legalized and started showing up in the economy? Well, we can certainly expect GDP to fall. There’s nothing that hemp could replace that isn’t more expensive and less durable as well as more environmentally destructive. Sure, those sound like good things on their face, and they are for society and people in the long run. But lower prices and more durability will result in less profits for those manufacturing the replacement products. Lower profits also means less income tax revenue as well as lower prices meaning less sales tax revenue. There would be about a trillion bucks worth of capital assets that would be turned worthless practically overnight. Shucks, thinking about it like that actually makes me think that Jack Herer fellow might have been correct when he asserted that the cannabis laws have nothing to do with people getting high. What was that that thing that somebody recently posted about it being tough to talk sense to a guy who’s paycheck depends on him not understanding?

    Shap, how can anything be off topic on an open thread? (5 minutes isn’t enough, especially for potheads Pete)

  31. Duncan20903 says:

    It wouldnt suprise me to see medical marijuana suddenly become’illegal’ depite voters choices.

    Umm, that’s impossible. Impossible to make something happen in the future that has already happened in the past. Medical cannabis is illegal as we speak.
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    Yeah, the mouth breathers will all get cancer from those machines. Unfortunately that gets the people executing the policy, leaving the people who instituted the policy (to enrich and empower themselves) untouched. That’s justice? How?

    Because without lackeys and stooges to execute the plan those instituting the plan would just be engaged in mental masturbation? How many Jews/Catholics/Homosexuals did Mr. Hitler personally terminate? (PS I think the word is kismet, not justice. Justice is not a product of happenstance)
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    Somebody needs to write Senator Sessions and tell him that Alaska never legalized cannabis, nor did they even decriminalize possession or private growing. Their state’s Supreme Court made it impossible to prosecute those that violated those particular laws in their private homes. Also he should know that it’s been 7 years since they overturned the 1990 ballot initiative that the Know Nothings love to act as if that 55-45 vote in a non-Presidential election year was some kind of mandate. For crying out loud I read some idiot that represented Prop 19’s 53.8 to 46.2 loss talking as if that were some kind of mandate. I recently had the thought that ‘don’t give a shit’ was actually the overwhelming choice of the voters in the Prop 19 vote. 4.8 million in favor in a State with a population of 38 million is hardly a mandate from the people. There were at least 10 million eligible voters who cast their ballot for ‘don’t give a shit’ by not bothering to show up on Election day, or even in the weeks before Election day. California has ‘early voting’ so you don’t actually have to be available to vote on Election day. That’s not an absentee ballot they actually can go find a working voting machine and vote just like on Election day. ‘don’t give a shit’ won every race on the ballot by a wide margin. I’m starting to think that we should actually put that on the ballot, at least for initiatives. Prop 19 had somewhere in the neighborhood of 15 million eligible voters who weren’t worried about the regulated decriminalization of cannabis. I’ve got this whacky notion that things criminal should be supported by an overwhelming supermajority. A guy in Red Bluff CA actually flamed me for saying that and asked if say 25% of the people started molesting children… Wow, is there actually anyone that knows how to tie their own shoelaces that thinks that could be possible? 25% of the population taking up kiddie diddling require all of the men and a significant number of women taking up kiddie diddling. That’s just stunningly stupid, It leaves me at a loss for words. Every single father in the country could be OK with molesting children? I think Mr. Darwin must have quit his job.

    When I cast my ballot on Election day I noticed that the room seemed almost entirely constituted of black people. Local population isn’t more than 15% black and that’s probably overstated by a third. I’ve been noticing the trend up in blacks to whites every time I’ve voted until this last time when I wondered if I had accidentally wandered into a SE DC polling place rather than my assigned precinct in Whitebread Suburbia. I do think the culprit is white people voting for ‘don’t give a shit’. It only makes sense that black folks understand the value of being able/allowed to vote and would be less inclined to support ‘don’t give a shit’, even if that’s their opinion.

  32. So tired of... says:

    It wouldnt suprise me to see medical marijuana suddenly become’illegal’ depite voters choices.

    Umm, that’s impossible. Impossible to make something happen in the future that has already happened in the past. Medical cannabis is illegal as we speak.

    Thats why theres these ‘ ‘ little things next to the Illegal.

    Ya ok We know its illegal by fed standards, and if this police statist bullshit decides our votes no longer matter and they sweep in and arrest anybody and everybody associated with it just because”They’ve had enough.” Think about it, they have buisness owner names , places , patient records ect ect. They could take a huge bit out of this movement and instill fear beyond anything we have had.

    You might call this paranoid delusion…whatever…its not. These control freaks are NOT passed doing something of this nature. Many of them no doubt have this glim in their eye at this thought. The constitution nor our civil rights mean shit to many of these people. After all..it is still ILLEGAL by fed standards and they could easily enforce this to the fullest…why not..its easy pickins’ now that many of you are comfortable with your use of cannabis.

    This fear is very alive and well where I live…you get busted with so much as a seed and they burn you at the stake…you dont even so much as wear a t-shirt with a pot leaf on it for fear of drawing thier attention.

    Im just saying…dont be so comfortable with your situation that you let your guard down…this fight is FAR from over…theres to much at stake …for them and us.

  33. Jake says:

    regarding the scanners, further evidence they are being rubber stamped without proper health considerations: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19746-fullbody-scanners-we-reveal-all.html

    Remember, its fine for the govt to damage your health AGAINST your will in the name of security, but if you want to try drugs that could damage your health in the name of recreation, with your own consent.. forget about it…

    I have been through both Israeli and US customs.. Israel’s is far more effective whilst being quicker.. and far less racist.

  34. darkcycle says:

    Duncan, they have no shortage of people to fill those jobs, nor will they. Cancer twenty years from now isn’t enough to deter a smoker, who makes nothing from (and pays dearly for)his/her habit. And Chertoff, the fascist you can thank for those scanners, will be long dead, having lived a life of luxury you of I could probably never imagine, by the time that first case of cancer shows up. So, even if ALL the mouth breathers got cancer, the people who instituted the policy will be untouched. And will have enriched themselves at everyone Else’s expense. Again. Kismet is not a term in very common use, figgured I’d use ‘justice’. The idea still works and people might actually understand what I said.

  35. claygooding says:

    When legalization occurs,about the time all oil/lumber/cotton/ is used up.
    Medical marijuana is legal by a memo. All it takes to return it to the illegal is another memo.
    If the federal government recognizes marijuana as a medicine then it is no longer a schedule 1 drug which frees
    up clinical testing and research,which frees marijuana from the prohibition machine now keeping hemp prohibited
    and controlled enough to stop hemp from replacing oil/lumber/cotton.

  36. Duncan20903 says:

    Yeah, you’re right DdC. Just because someone mentioned cannabis should be legal in the past and it didn’t happen, it won’t happen today. Not a thing is different today as it was back then. Post hoc ergo propter hoc is the way of the world.

    If you think nothing’s going to change why do you collect and catalog every bit of information in the world that’s ever existed? Seriously, if I want to know what Lucy & Ricky had to say about cannabis in Season 5 episode 48 of I love Lucy in 1947 I know who to call. Yes I know that year and episode are almost certainly incorrect, I just don’t keep track of or care much about details like that. The fact that there were such incredible comments made in that day and age is enough for me. But I’ll bet that you can come up with the info in less than 45 seconds if you don’t know it offhand. Of course you know when Ricky sang that cannabis song back then and it’s name and who wrote it in what year and how it was actually a secret government conspiracy to keep cannabis from being re-legalized. Now what purpose does that serve again?

  37. DdC says:

    Yeah, you’re right DdC.

    Had no doubt junior…

    Just because someone mentioned cannabis should be legal in the past and it didn’t happen, it won’t happen today.

    That’s a pretty squirrely notion… You wanna them soothsayers?

    Not a thing is different today as it was back then.

    More complicated and expensive gossip and subterfuge. Same Neocon fascism behind the scenes. Yea except some are probably more gullible today and less disciplined. Boomers are whiners. It took some good BS to talk people out of their free ethanol tractor fuel to start buying gas and diesel. Organic farming to Monsantoland. But when push came to shove they knuckled under for the good of the cause or whatever the band was playing that day. Patriotism and Sheople are mighty fine persuaders duping the public. Most greed and fear of the unknown. Racism or Fascism or eliminating competition. Still works today with 57 channels and nothing on. 95% of all media is owned by 5 corporations sharing an agenda. Conspiracy is another lame buzzword to divert, not find truth.

    Post hoc ergo propter hoc is the way of the world.

    Right arm…

    If you think nothing’s going to change why do you collect and catalog every bit of information in the world that’s ever existed?

    Waiting for the Nature Channel show on Panda’s.

    Seriously, if I want to know what Lucy & Ricky had to say about cannabis in Season 5 episode 48 of I love Lucy in 1947 I know who to call. Yes I know that year and episode are almost certainly incorrect, I just don’t keep track of or care much about details like that.

    Who ya gonna call? With all the commie phoebes in the 50’s and Ricky being Cuban, Lucy sold out to the Ethics Committee. I’ve seen the pic of Marilyn smoking a doobie in the 50’s, Mitchum got busted and the Beatniks toked but bogeymen were more realistic to the general public. Duck and Cover baby.

    The Great Marijuana Hoax By Allen Ginsberg

    The fact that there were such incredible comments made in that day and age is enough for me.

    What incredible comments? Ward weren’t you a little hard on the Beaver? Maybe Clem Kadiddlehoppe, Crazy Guggenheim & Joe the Bartender toked but it didn’t air . Hiya Mr. Dunahee-hee-hee!

    But I’ll bet that you can come up with the info in less than 45 seconds if you don’t know it offhand.

    Sucker bet for you ain’t it? If you know I already know. How much you wanna bet?

    Of course you know when Ricky sang that cannabis song back then and it’s name and who wrote it in what year and how it was actually a secret government conspiracy to keep cannabis from being re-legalized. Now what purpose does that serve again?

    La Cucaracha? Nothing about it relates to governments or prohibition. I don’t know of any Ganja reference in “Babalu”, “Cuban Pete” or “In Santiago, Chile”. And maybe if you’re paranoid you see a secret government conspiracy to keep cannabis from being re-legalized, most of us have no doubts because of their actions and propaganda. DEAth doesn’t keep it a secret junior. Most likely you just hurl buzzwords whenever your stumped for an answer, same as most drug worriers actually. Dismissing common sense as a conspiracy and only to eliminate debate or stigmatize the issue. Weak. I simply put out facts and reality and let the public think for themselves, knowing full well some of the public, like you, can’t. But I’m not a legalizer dude, I’m antifascist. It doesn’t take a rocket surgeon to see if I outlaw your competition you will sell more items. Or the profit in caging non violent prisoners. Only a gutless moneyslut would divert this as being some conspiracy. Nothing new dude, as I showed you with the 69 article, Soon We Will Know.

    Its cyclic. They have a list of reefer mad items they haul out every 5 or so years and hurl on the public to see what sticks. In 69 it was going to be legal. Carter was going to make it legal. Klintoon surely would reprieve us after 12 years of Rayguns Boosh the VP and Boosh the P. Only to find an undercover GOPervert. So now Time has a cover and I’m supposed to get all flustered with goose bumps?

    Until the truth of prohibition is dealt with, it will remain a perpetual money machine. Like an ATM for Neofascism. btw, prohibition has nothing to do with Ganja smoking. As it is as important to forget things as to remember it is also important to see this for what it is. It couldn’t perpetuate if the drug worriers won the same as if legalizers win. The only money in the war is continue fighting. The percentage of users hasn’t changed much. Klintoon inflated the arrests for bigger numbers. They need advocates to keep interest. Apathetic public forgets quickly. If we weren’t reminded of the heathern devil weed dangers and attributes most of the TV crowd might just forget all about it.

    Celebrity Stoners: American High Society

    La cucaracha, la cucaracha,
    Ya no quieres caminar,
    Porque no tienes,
    Porque le falta,
    Marihuana que fumar.

    Cannabis, the Importance of Forgetting

  38. DdC says:

    PS: Conspiratorially one might suggest ones own cannabinoid system’s transmitters telepathically sending thoughts to others cannabinoid system receptors behind the backs of the authoritarians… oh my. Mind readers! But its more logical to think these DEAth Merchant scumbags are just greedy.

  39. Duncan20903 says:

    “You might call this paranoid delusion…whatever…its not.”

    I might call it that but paranoia is a healthy state of mind when people really are out to get you, and determined to do so no less.

    However that same reality makes the friends of freedoms accomplishments stunningly remarkable. It’s really silly to claim that potheads are lazy and without a work ethic after what they’re managed to accomplish while taking on the machinery and the resources of the Federal government.

    I have no clue why people put their lives on the line like that, but I certainly respect them and appreciate them. I can recognize that my motto of “run away” isn’t going to make things better. That’s why I give money to the people who are obsessed enough to do what is required to make this nonsense go away.

  40. Duncan20903 says:

    I’m taking back the kismet thing as I looked up the word in the dictionary. I had no clue that the word meant ‘the will of Allah’. I’ve retired the word from my vocabulary as well. Don’t mistake this for a 9/11 thing, I just have no belief in Fairy Tale Fairies.

    I must recall that I need to look up words in the dictionary before, not after clicking the post button.

  41. DdC says:

    “You might call this paranoid delusion…whatever…its not.”

    This? I only suggest that the word “conspiracy” is used more to stigmatize and divert attention from the subject or poster. The facts aren’t that complicated to even warrant a conspiracy charge.

    I might call it that but paranoia is a healthy state of mind when people really are out to get you, and determined to do so no less.

    They’ve been “out to get me” 40 years and I’m not paranoid. I have no doubts they would cage me if they could and if I were a threat to their enterprises. I stopped selling in 72 and that is why I have toked 40 years without a criminal record. Healthy Skepticism are the words you’re looking for. Paranoid is a psychotic state past doubt. Illusions are what can not be held in the hand. I bring real government interventions beyond doubt or illusion. Hemp fiberboard is less dent resistant than sheet-metal. Hemp tensile strength is greater than cotton or tree lumber. Hemp oil plastic is safer than crude oil plastic with a neutral CO2 footprint. Hemp seed has more Omega 3, 6 and 9 in perfect human balance than any other food source. Ganja is or it ain’t medicinal, ask the patient. No conspiracy, tests and results and censorship keeping you from the information on the mainstream media outlets.

    It’s really silly to claim that potheads are lazy and without a work ethic after what they’re managed to accomplish while taking on the machinery and the resources of the Federal government.

    I am a stoner and I know I have to work harder and prove trustworthiness more than some suit with a haircut. I figured that out in the 70’s. Life ain’t fair. Same reason why Peaceniks have more guts than tin soldiers following orders blindly. If you’re right and have proof and truth on your side then courage comes easy. Not that you will always win but it will give you enough ammo to stand and fight. If you are in it solely for the money you will kiss ass and run with your tail between your legs almost every time. Like having a ponytail isn’t easy in certain parts of the country but if you do a good job you usually get paid and the fashion of it all becomes moot. Same with advocating Hemp and Ganja. Its my job as a cannabis caregiver to get it and give it out long before Prop 215 made it semi-socially acceptable.

    I have no clue why people put their lives on the line like that, but I certainly respect them and appreciate them.

    I think predicting what one will or won’t do under strenuous circumstances is silly. Your character and stake in the issue will determine how you act. But, I agree and have no love for Texas but do admire their Ganja activists. Most pacifists will fight to protect their kids from harm. It is harder for me to lie than tell the truth so just because my information isn’t mainstream doesn’t make it false. If I believe it is true because the facts add up then how much courage does it take to stand my ground?

    Not like I’m lying and having to remember what I said and make it all jive and sound plausible. Fuck that. Easier to show someone my Hemp blue jeans than hide from the reality. If my lies hurt someone I would feel strongly to stop lying. Im sure most drug worriers without vested interest see it the same way. Once I show a born again the label on the bottle of hemp oil they start to re-evaluate. If their loved ones find relief with Ganja its pretty hard to keep up the bogus dribble knowing they would suffer. Though many politicians and cops do it everyday as part of their vested interest paychecks dictate. How do they sleep? Ambian of coarse.

    That’s why I give money to the people who are obsessed enough to do what is required to make this nonsense go away.

    So do I. Besides getting info, collecting sigs, buying calendars or cotton Prop 19 tee shirts I won’t wear since I only wear Hemp. Advocating to the mailman or anyone else crossing my path. Not that I think that act will make it go away. Just because its the right thing to do. Money should be gone from the equation. In the political arena, the courts and especially on legislation. The NRA bought and paid for mandatory minimums. DEAth Merchants get tax shelters donating to Walters Philanthropy Roundtable to designate where the money goes. Calvina or Caliphony all get tax dollars and subsidies, grants and donations to spout lies. Most of the 95% corporate media push the prohibitionist agenda.

    That reason alone is enough to fight the bastards even without knowledge of the safety of Ganja. But if you insist on incrementalising and copping out on the country to get a state bennies. It will continue. After all it doesn’t matter who wins or loses, it only matters that the game never ends. The game won’t end for me until Ganja and Hemp are removed from the CSA and they get on the shelves to replace frankenfud, cotton, trees, fossil fools, poisons and Pharmaceuticals. Until then I’ll pay extra for the imported superior products and toke outlaw buds. I’ve been registered as a cannabis caregiver since 1997 and still haven’t stepped foot in a Buyers Club.

    Al Capone and Watergate were red herrings to divert the countries attention from the Fascist acts of eliminating competition. Booze/Ethanol or Ganja//Hemp.

  42. DdC says:

    Kismet may refer to:

    * Fate or Destiny in Turkish and Urdu, a predetermined course of events, from Persian qesmat, from Arabic qisma, lot, from qasama, to divide, allot. Also used in Bulgarian and in some dialects of Serbo-Croatian as luck.

    The first recorded use of the word in English was from Edward Backhouse Eastwick who used the word, spelled “kismat”, in his 1849 novel, “Dry Leaves from Young Egypt”.

    Damn how the hell is GM going to outsell Toyota when they give you a free trunk load of stoners with every purchase?

    U2b Toyota “Peace of Mind”

    U2b Marijuana Commercial from the 70s

  43. DdC says:

    NorCal Cities Bring Pot Growing Into The Light By Marcus Wohlsen
    CN Source: Associated Press November 20, 2010 Berkeley, Calif.
    As numerous cities get set to levy voter-approved taxes on medical marijuana retailers, some municipalities in Northern California are already moving aggressively toward creating government-sanctioned marijuana farms to help supply them. Cities hope to rake in even more tax revenue from medical marijuana cultivation, which has remained in the shadows although it has been legal in the state since 1996. On Monday, Oakland will begin the application process for four permits to run industrial-scale marijuana farms within city limits. …continued

    NORMLizer – Holy Smokes?
    Reefer religions vs. the highest court in the land.
    Since the 1970s, numerous religious-exemption cases have been litigated, but few have succeeded; the latter include a small sect of Native Americans who have traditionally used hallucinogenic peyote buttons in their religious ceremonies, as well as the occasional Rastafarian who could prove a long history of practicing the faith and used a modest amount of marijuana. Regrettably, appellate courts have consistently denied religious exemptions to members of the Ethiopian Zion Coptic Church, so-called New Age faiths and other Christian-oriented religious sects. …continued

  44. Duncan20903 says:

    Gosh DdC, I hope you don’t think I’m actually reading you’re posts. Yes I often read a line or 3 before I realize it’s one of yours. I think it likely that the last person to read your posts to their conclusion is you when you do the proofreading before you click post. Then again I don’t know for a fact that you do proofread. Your posts may be littered with misspellings and grammatical errors for all that I know. I quit reading your posts over on Cannabisculture.com after reading perhaps 10 of them, and wow, I quit going to that site before Mark got busted. Though I did go back a number of times afterward. I’ve been ignoring majority of the content of your posts for years and years, literally. Yes sometimes I notice a sentence or two while scrolling through and am stunned by your ‘thinking’ process and feel compelled to comment.

  45. DdC says:

    Gosh duncan I did’t know you could read. Surprise. Now what can explain your total lack of comprehension? You just Retarded? I thought most mentally underdeveloped kids were kind? My mistake, you’re just another runofthemill asshole.

  46. Pete says:

    Duncan, don’t goad him.

    DdC, have you completely forgotten the rules here?

    This is my house. You come in and take a shit on my couch, you won’t be invited back.

  47. DdC says:

    NORML Throws Religious Cannabis Users to the Lions
    Marijuana activist and cannabis historian Chris Bennett responds to recent articles from NORML that criticize an imprisoned religious cannabis advocate and call the fight for court recognition of religious cannabis freedoms “a fool’s errand”. full story

    Imprisoned Religious Cannabis Minister Roger Christie Responds To NORML
    CANNABIS CULTURE – Imprisoned religious cannabis advocate Roger Christie responds to critical articles from marijuana legalization group NORML.

    Ancient Temple Hashish Incense! Did Jesus Inhale?

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