I am so damned tired of hearing prohibitionists say that nobody goes to jail for marijuana. We all know that’s a lie.
I want to mention one particular area where this particular lie is especially egregious.
Unfortunately, I get letters like this all the time…
The VA Hosp has had me on 60 mg of Morphine plus 1650mg of Hydrocodone for pain from spinal damage while I was in the Navy back in 83. I was sick every morning barely able to hold up my own head. In Jan. 2007 I had a third massive heart attack I knew my body wasn’t going to take much more opiate based pain killers. So I started growing my own Meds. after many years of killing plants I started growing some true pain relief. It was helping me to get back on my feet lose the extra weight no more morning throwing up last night’s dinner. My wife and I was able to get out enjoy movies and dinning out because I wasn’t sick all the time.
You know what happens next.
I’m charged with cultivation and sales a class B felony looking at 5-15 years
This is someone who is only growing for their own use, and wants to avoid having to buy their medicine from criminals… but you see, growing is a whole different category than possessing. It’s oddly called “manufacturing” in many places, and it also assumes “trafficking,” even though no marijuana is sold or given away.
And now you’ve got a disabled vet with a family facing serious jail time, unable to use a medical defense, and being charged as a major drug dealer.
It’s a sick system.
Mark Kleiman? Comments?
That’s the system for you.
@allan420, I second that. But, Mark has to call Kevin Sabet over at ONDCP, he has him on speed dial, and find out what the current official answer is so he can keep his cushy job as Professor of Public Policy at the UCLA School of Public Affairs. It’s fun to be an “expert” and get called to be on shows and stuff.
Shame on America.
so tired of their reefer madness.
I start throwing up compassionately, also.
Crimes against big pharma will not be tolerated. You will take these liver destroying pills and like it.
This is disgusting Pete. It’s so wrong in so many ways, and the continual lies spewing out of the Prohibs nasty mouths.
And it’s not really Shame on America, it’s Shame on the Prohibitionists.
The majority of American’s want the truth and want Prohibition ended.
If you hurry, you can be one of the first 10,000 to “like” the Teapot Party. Yes folks, it’s real. I’m #6953 and it’s only one day old! Bet it’s over 100,000 by the end of the week.
Eee-yuck, why is there all this blood on the virtual floor? Oh really? You say the Know Nothings have gone and shot themselves in their collective foot this time? Do tell.
Hey, everything in the world you could possibly imagine really is on Youtube. Here’s a DEA agent shooting himself in the foot in front of a class room filled with chilled wrens. But it’s OK because he was full of good intentions.
Hey, even if you’ve seen it this one is a classic, and always good for a laugh at the expense of the Know Nothings. Yes Mr. Prohibitionist, we’re not laughing with you, we’re laughing at you.
The effect (imprisonment) isn’t immediate, it’s cumulative (prison after arrest, courtesy of ‘piling on’ of ridiculous charges meant to emotionally and fiscally devastate the usually bankrupt defendant, force a plea bargain and save the citizens the cost of a trial).
It’s a well-oiled machine…unless you demand a trial. Then the machine begins to break down, as all manner of defense moves can throw a monkey wrench into the machine’s gears. If every person so accused did so, the legal machinery would grind itself to pieces…and each trial would cost so much the citizens would become aroused from their somnolence and wonder why so much of their tax dollars are being spent on this nonsense when they need the money.
Folks, please remember it’s better to laugh than to cry. It also annoys the fuck out of the Know Nothings because their goal is to make us miserable. Anytime your feeling down because of the idiot Know Nothings watch that DEA agent shoot himself in the foot. Well it always puts a smile on my face.
It is better to be pissed off than pissed on.
Allan, Mark Kleiman told me to tell you that sometimes you have to destroy the village in order to save it. Results are unimportant, it’s being full of good intentions is all that matters. We drop bombs to make peace. We arrest and incarcerate people to make their lives better. We murder people with quadriplegia because we don’t like guns. It’s all OK because they’re full of good intentions. I really must have this damn brain removed. The pain is becoming unbearable.
Let’s see, the Know Nothings blame potheads for enriching the cartels by buying cartel bunk weed, but when they catch me with two pot plants it’s “intent to distribute”, felony charges and I was darn lucky that it wasn’t “manufacturing a ‘controlled’ substance”. At least that’s what the cop and the prosecutor told me. Hells bells, everyone knows that a pot plant will produce several 10s of thousands of “joints”, and that’s way more than “personal use”. /crying
(is it pronounced Clay-man or Kly-man? I need to know so I won’t shoot myself in the foot when I ridicule him in the future…and I do intend to ridicule him. TIA!)
I start throwing up compassionately. Crimes against big pharma will not be tolerated. This is someone who is only growing for their own use, and wants to avoid having to buy their medicine from criminals.
But like you said kaptnemo, the defendant is usually broke, both in money and spirit, the lawyer wants $10,000 to take care of every thing before a trial and a $50,000 retainer if you insist on being judged by 12. There isn’t a public defender in the country that will do so, or at least do so with anything resembling a vigorous defense, and the likelihood is that you’ll get more time if you do take it to trial. You definitely will in the Federal system. “Accepting guilt” is a mitigating factor when they calculate your sentence under the guidelines. You can’t plead not guilty and accept your guilt, now can you?
The good news is the potheads are kicking the prosecutors butts left and right in California medical cannabis cases. I think ASA or other interested 3rd parties may be covering their legal fees.
It really makes me sad seeing my fellow potheads depressed and annoyed by the Know Nothings. I suggest we taunt them, and if they don’t go away, we’ll taunt them a second time. Keep a stiff upper lip old man, there’s no way they can beat us. It’s not going to be easy, but victory is inevitable. Just keep your eyes on the prize and think how they’ll feel after suffering the ignominy of getting their Know Nothing butts kicked up and down the line by a bunch of potheads. The humanity! The humanity I say!
Don’t just say yes, don’t just say no, just say yo baby yo baby yo baby yo!
You can forget about describing Canada as a tolerable country anymore. We are now tough on inaugurated botanical and culinary criminals. For those Canadian college and university students looking to offset their rent and exorbitant tuition fees with a closet of marijuana plants, they have just become criminals eligible for the new mandatory minimum sentence of six months imprisonment.
And artists that make a little hash with old silk screens? One year to 18 months imprisonment. Same courtesy goes to anyone making baked goods for ailing loved ones. This bill that was originally introduced last year also had provisions to legislate the sharing of a joint as â€˜trafficking.â€™
Liberal senators were duplicit in weakening this bill, (intended to be passed before last Christmas), to affect growers of 200 plants or more. That revised bill was approved by three senate votes. Stephen Harper was so upset he had to prorogue parliament and stuffed five new â€˜tough on crimeâ€™ conservatives into the senate and reintroduced the draconian bill.
In one year our demented Prime Minister surrendered his nationâ€™s sovereignty ( to imprison a single man who provided seeds that threatened to diminish the mexican cartelâ€™s hold on the U.S.) minted new botanical and culinary criminals for the upcoming multibillion-dollar for-profit prison industry.Mandatory jail sentences diminishing small-time pot growers will also have the ringing endorsement of Canadian organized criminal networks who will be the least effected by the building of a dozen new prisons for our dominion.
Hell, with our economy in the tank already Stephan Harper, I hear Holland has half a dozen prisons they arenâ€™t using anymore!
Oops, too late to be a 4 digit # friend of the Teapot Party, LOL. 4,000 added since about 12:30 my time, hey it’s 4:20 now! Gotta run!
Wow, that’s two people today that throw up compassionately. That’s a new idea to me. But I prefer using the word “regurgitate” because the Know Nothings have to go to the dictionary and look up words that are over two syllables.
Farting in their general direction is time tested, tried and true, but I guess we have to try new things to see if something else might work better. Well unless you’re a Know Nothing, then it’s “surrender” and “admitting defeat”. God knows you wouldn’t want to admit to being defeated after getting your butt kicked. “Thank you sir, may I have another?” is my motto as well.
General George C Custer concurs, never surrender or retreat in the face of a superior enemy with an overwhelming tactical advantage. You don’t get to be an Army General without being an expert in military tactics, now do you? I didn’t think so.
Disgusting. Canadians, I’m sorry. After years of slow progress, all it takes is one George Bush clone and viciousness to reverse it all. Draconian, in the U.S. model.
I guess I will have to take Spain as my refuge of last resort then.
CS I’m amazed that the pendulum is swinging in opposite direction in Canada as opposed to the US.
But still, you remind me of the whiners I met in jail, there for their first time, facing or even sentenced to 30 days (minus time off for “good behavior”) of watching television, and crying that they “couldn’t do 30 days”. Well no duh, almost nobody can. That’s why they lock the doors and have all those guys with guns to give you the encouragement you need to pull it off. I was always amazed, some guy would come in with consecutive life sentences + 50 years and say “what’s for dinner?” and the guy with 30 days (20 real days back then) would be emotionally devastated and inconsolable. I’ve heard the largest cohort of jail suicides is among those arrested for drunk in public. That’s the crime with the $25 fine and an indeterminate term in jail of until you stop barfing on and/or cussing at the deputies. Go figure that out.
Anyway CS, I’ll tell you the same thing about your new Canadian Laws as I told the 30 day whiners. Boo-fucking-hoo. Go cry on a Dutch message board, you might actually find some sympathy.
Harsh, Dun, harsh. That’d be a defeat for us as well then wouldn’t it? I for one am in complete sympathy as I answer “What’s for dinner?” is a load of unneeded prison time for a non-violent, victimless crime. With a side order of unneeded misery and expense for people like the unfortunate gentleman in the post that heads this thread. This strugle doesn’t end at any border, man. This is a WORLD war.
When will a day come when these travesties end. This man was only trying to provide medication for his personal well being and health. Now he faces serious prison time because no other medication could offer relief? How is it trafficking if he was not selling the product or moving it from his personal home? The real crimes are those being committed against this individual by the Fascist Corporate State of America. You will not escape Karma for your actions. You may punish this man now for growing a beneficial plant with many medical purposes such as cannabis! But God will not forget your actions IMO you will suffer his wrath and I fear for those who make Mother Kali angry. JJJJ
I see nothing ‘whiny’ in CS’s post. Hissy Harper the dual allegiance traitor unfit to wash dishes in a drive thru, let alone be Canada’s PM. I say if it’s war they want then war they shall have. Too bad those who won our last war are long dead. Now we end up with this repugnant detestable band of goofy childish girly-man wannabe leaders who keep breaking the toys their parents toiled long and hard to provide.
….the courts will probably dictate to him how he can defend himself. He probably wont even be allowed to descrbe why he was growing it, nor tell of the benefits of using cannabis as a medicine.
Whats the point of a court or the constitution if your tolded what means of defence you can use…the truth.
Throwing up IV Sedation we have some Compazine for you. Don’t you dare touch any marijuana es ist verboten.
i dont see anything wrong with this.it he layed off the dope.he wouldn’t have this problem now would he?there’s a reason they call it dope.i just graduated from dare,so i know the truth in your lies.dare taught me how theres no such thing as medicinal marijuana,how it’s just a hoaxs,for heorin addicts to get cards and sell the medicinal marijuana to kids,so they can go get their fix.i was told to be careful and weerie of you “legalizers” ,they told us how you guys have been labeled as domestic terrorist.you want to voliate everyones rights and deny them their liberty so you can go get high .did you know that marijuana is the most reported reason teens seek rehab for to kick their addictions to marijuana.And they told us about it’s the gateway drug,cause they dont need to say theory anymore becouse it’s been proven time and time again as the #1 gateway drug. and interesting fact the whole 420 thing came from hitlers birthday and marijuana users apperentlly idolize hitler cause he smoked marijuana when he invaded poland,.so i’m gonna make sure my dare officer finds about your site to have you shut down for ,slander and propaganda.
shame on you
Many Veterans are the “Enemy” to the FRCn D.E.A.th 06/11/01
Sam Stone came home, To his wife and family After serving in the conflict overseas. And the time that he served, Had shattered all his nerves, And left a little shrapnel in his knee. But the morphine eased the pain, And the grass grew round his brain, And gave him all the confidence he lacked, With a Purple Heart and a monkey on his back…
Ganja 4 PTSD & Depression
Will Foster 93 Years For Cannabis 11/17/00
He says he smoked marijuana because of arthritis pain in a bum ankle and his left hand. For this offense, the 39-year-old who served his country in the United States Army is paying an incomprehensible price…
… In 1996 Foster was convicted of five drug counts in Tulsa, all revolving around the plants he was growing in an underground backyard shelter. Foster says he had 38 marijuana plants. He said he was growing them to be harvested in rotation –each harvest to yield about 12 ounces.
Oklahoma prosecuters asserted that they had between 50 and 70 plants and that he meant to distribute. A Tulsa jury sentenced him to a little over a year per plant, 70 years for cultivation. It tacked on 20 years for possession in the presence of minors, his children. Foster asserts they never knew…
300000 Iraq & Afghan Vets Suffer PTSD & Depression
90 YEARS-5 PLANTS!
In 1992, James Geddes was walking along a street with a friend when he got arrested. The police got a search warrant and went to the home rented by his friend. They found a small amount of marijuana, paraphernalia for smoking marijuana, and five plants growing in their vegetable garden.
There was no evidence that James lived at this house, although he was a frequent visitor. He refused to plea bargain as he claimed his innocence and was sentenced to 75 years and one day for cultivation of five plants and to another 75 years, plus one day for possession of marijuana. He was also charged with possession of a firearm and paraphernalia. James filed an appeal on his sentence. In 1995, his appeal came through, which reduced it to 90 years.
Veterans for Medical Marijuana.org
“Suppose you go to Washington and try to get at your government. You will always find that while you are politely listened to, the men really consulted are the big men who have the biggest stakes — the big bankers, the big manufacturers, the big masters of commerce…. Every time it has come to a critical question, these gentlemen have been yielded to, and their demands treated as the demands that should be followed as a matter of course. The government of the United States is a foster child of the special interests.”
~ Woodrow Wilson
Democracy in America 1912
Willie is rollin’… 15,650 signed on as of a bit ago… 🙂
This is really nice to see btw… and I contend that if we are half as good as we think we are(?)… this will reach news worthy proportions very soon. In fact I submitted it to a cuppla local newscasters and NBC Nighly News ( Nightly@NBC.com ).
And as I’ve been so fond of saying over these long decades… I love my Willie! Willie for Prez!
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Yes I signed on last night,, I’m very shy about stuff but can no longer sit around and let things fall apart finally joining the good healthy revolt.
The disabled vet story is yet another example of what happens when a country focuses its preferences on people for laws and neglects laws for people.
Bah, ’tis only a flesh wound.
jEEZ i was so excited a few postS back iFORGOT TO SAY WHAT ITS WAS I SIGNED UP when I said I signed up it was for Willie Nelson’s Tes Pot Party when I signed there was about three thousand now I see its over 24,000 hopefully it will keep growing and growing like weed HA HA.