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More fun with ‘Christians’ who just don’t get it

As someone who was raised in the church and spent a lot of time studying Christianity, I am constantly bewildered by the number of idiots who somehow think that Christian morality is achieved through secular law.

Larry Tomczak with the Christian Post brings us 4 More Reasons to Reject Legalizing Marijuana

It’s an OpEd full of hypocrisy and random nonsense. Love the argument by anecdote:

Matthew Leahy was in the newspapers a short time ago where it stated he started smoking marijuana at 14, experienced a drop in grades and then eventually ended up in a mental hospital, where he hung himself. A more uplifting testimony is the one I heard personally of a ninth-grader who regularly smoked pot, which he said “really messed up [his] mind,” but he was grateful to God that he had been set free from the addiction that was ruining his life.

But this is the kicker. Check out this defense of alcohol and see if you can find the evidence for keeping marijuana illegal.

Many marijuana advocates will tell you that we already allow alcohol, so why shouldn’t we allow pot? Granted, beer and wine and adult beverages have been around for thousands of years, and unfortunately some people abuse them. Scripture speaks of moderation and obeying the governing authorities (Rom. 13:1-8) regarding laws. Adult beverages are a cultural reality, and it was foolishness when people tried to prohibit their usage because, in fact, the Bible doesn’t prohibit their responsible use.

Just because some people overindulge and do harm due to alcohol, that is not a valid reason to exacerbate the situation by adding dope to the mix! I’m sure you’ve heard the adage “Don’t point to bad behavior to justify more bad behavior.”

Here’s the deal:

  • 33,000 Americans are killed yearly in traffic accidents, one-third because of drunk drivers. How many others are left impaired or paralyzed for life?
  • 1.2 million drivers are arrested annually for drunken-driving. The highest number is among 21- to 25-year-olds.
  • One in three people will be involved in a drunk driving crash in their lifetime.
  • Car crashes are the leading cause of deaths for teens. Teenage alcoholic use kills over 4,700 every year.
  • Drunk driving costs you and me $132 billion a year.

Be honest with yourself: In light of the above, do you want to compound these sobering statistics by making marijuana freely available?

A deterrent to drinking and driving is the alcohol aroma on one’s breath. That basically goes out the window when people think they can smoke a few joints outside, drive “high” down the highway and never dream of one day standing before a judge with a weeping father who lost the love of his life and three children via an intoxicated driver. Think about it, along with the prison term and lifetime of guilt that follows.

Ironically, the author obliviously ends the OpEd with a plea to consider the violence in Mexico!

(Also ironically, he claims that pot makes you stupid.)

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27 comments to More fun with ‘Christians’ who just don’t get it

  • claygooding

    I hit one the other day,,never did answer why marijuana was exempt from the verse in Genesis,,just more hyperbole like above,,science and practical evidence means nothing to them and wax in they’re ears prevents re-education,,,without personal contact where you could clean the wax out of their ears,,preferably with two bricks and a pair of nuts between them slapped soundly together will shoot wax out of both ears,,it is impossible to educate them,,,but we still get more likes than they do!!!

    • Tony Aroma

      Surely you’re not surprised that science and empirical evidence mean nothing to these people. We’re talking about the very same people who believe the universe is 8000 years old and that The Flintstones is based on historical fact. Seriously, what can you realistically expect from them other than a sermon?

    • War Vet

      “Your child must endure rape and murder so my child will stay drug free (or not be allowed to buy ‘another’ legal drug).” Clay, ask them about the above quote and how it ties into the teachings of Christ’s ‘Love thy neighbor’. A lot of Christians in Asia and Africa get murdered by various militants and Muslim terrorists and many of them are significantly financed by drug money, yet Christians in America are not supposed to support drug legalization, which means they support the fact that many Christians have to be slaughtered just so their American child won’t have to live in a ‘Merica’ that doesn’t have stores selling legal weed or legal coke etc. How is that Christian? Christians are against abortion because of the argument of ending innocent life is wrong, yet ‘drug prohibition’ is just that: ending lives and those lives ending are not just the drug users, but the 9/11 victims and Russian citizens at a train station etc etc and to support keeping it illegal while being a tax payer is technically murder for hire, which is a sin.

      If we legalized all the world’s drugs, many peoples’ needs in places like Iraq or Africa will be met by destroying x% of wars and their economic costs. Christ taught about (and demonstrated) fulfilling man’s needs as a way of opening up their hearts for receiving him. Keeping drugs illegal keeps people’s needs from being fulfilled . . . people who don’t use drugs are being victimized by the laws consequences.

      The act of keeping drugs illegal enables more militant Muslims to control parts of Africa where Christians once lived. So, in essence, those ‘supposed’ American Christians are OK with the spread of Islam if it keeps their kids drug free. What better way to spread Islam than to keep drugs illegal and thus fund Jihad and militants and turn those regions and villages into places where Christianity is prohibited like it was cocaine. I would assume that those kinds of folks aren’t Christian, since they support the spread of Islam via the law’s ability of funding jihad. Christians are not supposed to spread Islam . . . Muslims are supposed to spread Islam, not Christians and religious conflicts do just that: spread the victor’s religion (even if the conflict is motivated more by property and power than by religion). (My uncle is a Muslim from Pakistan, I’m not dogging on them since Muslims are technically family to me). I would want my Christian missionaries to have a fighting chance of spreading Christ’s words and love. But in some regions, its extremely difficult to preach to the masses when one is jailed or dead because of conflict or drug money empowering coups who prohibit Christianity in that area. Ask those Christians why they lack the faith to raise their own dead missionaries who’ve died as a result of drug money being in the hands of violent men . . . are those same Christians who don’t support legalization also going to be sending themselves and their families to these violent places to replace the previous dead/incarcerated missionaries . . . Christ honors those who die for him or place their lives in danger for him.

      God gave us poison ivy and poisonous mushrooms and poisonous berries and trees that contain strychnine . . . are we going to ingest them because God created them? That is the argument you are fighting in regards to the Book of Genesis for the most ignorant. But there is a way to get through to them. There are many books in the Bible that prohibit the War on Drugs, not just Genesis.

  • roninfreedom

    For those Christians who don’t get it.
    They need in detail to read the link below.
    http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_spirit2.shtml.
    It’s called Marijuana and The Bible by The Ethiopian Zion Coptic Church Beacon Press 1988.

    They back it up Chapter and Verse.

  • Duncan20903

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    I really get hung up on how the religionists can violate the 9th Commandment with such aplomb. That and the fact that their religion wouldn’t even exist but for the existence of religionist scofflaws in the first two or three centuries after the alleged crucifixion of The Good Fairy Jesus.

    But we can trace religionist hypocrisy all the way back to when Noah was the boss of the world, so what else is new? You don’t have to get very far into the frackin’ book of Genesis before that first documented case of religionist hypocrisy happened.

    Also, if the Big Fairy doesn’t like cannabis, why in the heck did he let Noah put it on the Ark in the first god damned place?

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    For those that haven’t read The Big Fairy Tale you might recall that Cain murdered Abel. At that time their daddy Adam was the boss of the world. The other people demanded the death penalty. So Adam went and had a chat with The Big Fairy. The Big Fairy told Adam that the death penalty was wrong and that Cain should be banished rather than executed. Fast forward a couple of centuries to when Noah was boss of the world. One of Noah’s children was murdered, so Noah went and had a chat with The Big Fairy. Now The Big Fairy is righteously pixxed off and tells Noah that the death penalty is the only appropriate penalty for murder.

    We just can’t argue that The Big Fairy decided he was wrong and changed his mind because The Big Fairy is frackin’ omniscient and omnipresent, or so goes the story.

    Omnipresence is more than just being everywhere and anywhere in the present, but also anywhere and everywhere in the past and future too. Since The Big Fairy is also omnipresent he was already aware of what happened to Noah’s inbred progeny when Adam went to ask him about Cain’s penalty for murdering Abel. The Big Fairy is also infallible so it’s just plain impossible for him to decide that he’s made a mistake. He can’t make mistakes.

    (Can someone tell me, how did Cain and/or Abel manage to procreate? As far as I can tell from reading The Big Fairy Tale there was only one woman on the planet at that time and it was their mother. Dr. Freud must have been very titillated when he went to Sunday school.)

    • Jean Valjean

      What do these fundies tell themselves when they look at something like the Hubble Ultra Deep Field….that it’s all a hoax like the moon landings?
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAVjF_7ensg

    • nonameronin

      I seriously doubt you care, but according to Genesis and Jewish tradition, Abel did not reproduce, he was slain by his brother before he took a wife. Cain and Abel were not the only children of the so-called first humans, however. There is Seth, first mentioned in Gen. 4:25 and the unnamed “sons and daughters” mentioned in Gen. 5:4. Tradition has it that Seth and Cain (and, presumably, the other unnamed sons) married their sisters but this is only hinted at in Genesis. Those sects which treat this all as literal history hold that this sibling incest was necessary for that second generation of humanity, but it would have been quickly phased out in favor of more and more distant cousins marrying.

      As for Noah and the murder of one his children, that’s a new one for me. As far as I know, there’s nothing in Genesis or Jewish/Christian/Muslim tradition that states that one of the children of Noah was murdered. However, I could be wrong on that.

      Also, considering Freud was Jewish, there’s little chance he ever went to a Sunday School. A yeshiva maybe, but I don’t think the man had much of a religious education.

      Honestly, if you’re going to refer to Jewish and Christian scripture as the “Big Fairy Tale” while claiming you’ve read it, actually know what it says. Making fun something you don’t really know anything about doesn’t help your arguments. I just make your opponents think you’re ignorant and proud of it (something you doubtless think they are as well)

      That being said, yes, people arguing for policy based on their scriptures is silly at best and harmful at worst, especially when said scripture can easily be used to argue for the opposite policy.

      • War Vet

        Agreed. A lot of Christians study Hawking in their free time and believe the universe is older than -old . . . nowhere does the Bible say that the Universe is less than 100,000,000 …000 years old. What’s next: prohibition on Christianity because of a few brainwashed victims. The Big Bang proves that none of us exist yet since the Big Bang had to have a Big Bang itself and then that one had to have a Big Bang etc . . . it’s physically impossible and illogical and cannot be proven that anyone exists due to lack of time needed for us to exist. Most Christians believe God works in Math and built our world out of equations and chemicals he designed using other chemicals and equations etc. When God spoke out creation, it was the equivalent of a teacher or a thinker telling the truth: One plus one equals two. If machines can create and have functions, who said that certain words and their sounds couldn’t contain matter, atoms, chemicals and electricity etc in said vowels and speech.

        Drug legalization is on the agenda of real Christians, since the Bible explicitly talks about ending the war on drugs: Love thy neighbor.

        • David Hart

          “…since the Bible explicitly talks about ending the war on drugs: Love thy neighbor.”

          I appreciate the good intentions, but that’s really tenuous. The commandment to love one’s neighbour doesn’t say ‘and allow them to take any dangerous drugs they might wish to”. We know that cannabis is not anywhere near as risky as the prohibitionists make out, but if someone did believe that it was a uniformly life-ruining menace, then loving one’s neighbour would be entirely consistent with preventing them, by force of law if necessary, from using a drug that was likely to seriously mess their life up.

          So I don’t think appealing to Christian doctrine is likely to convince those who already hold that Christian doctrine is compatible with well-intentioned prohibition, but actually seeing the evidence that prohibition causes more harm than it prevents is more likely to convince well-intentioned Christians.

          Of course, when it comes to those of a sado-moralist persuasion, then all bets are off.

        • War Vet

          David, why do Christians drive automobiles? Is it because there is no physical evidence anywhere in the world that proves car crashes exist? So, according to that logic of prohibiting drugs because they believed drugs are bad, then its logical that Christians don’t drive cars if there is any evidence to support driving has dangers . . . we have feet and legs, bikes and horses, there is no logical reason for man to drive cars since the above modes of transportation are far less dangerous. Jesus abhors hypocrisy and thus you’ll find no Christian owning or using a car who also supports keeping drugs illegal because drug use is bad for the body and soul.

          The argument about ending the war on drugs and legalizing them has nothing to do with legalizing drug use for drug consumers when it comes to ‘love thy neighbor’. The legalizing drugs argument is all about stopping violence to the non-drug user as seen in most countries that have gangs or terrorism or cartel violence. So yes, the Bible does explicitly tell us to legalize drugs. Remember, I believe a child’s right to not be sodomized supersedes the right of some heroin user shooting up ‘legally’ and sodomization (not a word, but oh well) of children happens far more in a world where illegal drug money empowers wicked men . . . money gives the wicked far more opportunity to spread wickedness and to increase their wickedness.

          Slavery had a lot of good intention did it not? How many American Christians still own slaves? I don’t picture people using drugs legally when one says ‘legalize drugs’. I picture far more important things like reducing violence. And if Christians support keeping drugs illegal, then they are obviously getting it out of their ass and not from scripture, since scripture forbids murder and rape. Any Christian who pays their taxes and supports keeping drugs illegal are rapists and murderers since it’s a well known fact that one is guilty of murder if one pays someone to do it for you . . . Jesus said if you think about sleeping with a woman who is not your wife, you’ve already committed adultery. The same goes: if you think about keeping drugs illegal and supporting it with your tax dollars, you’ve already committed theft, rape and murder. The real argument isn’t about legal drug consumption, but ending the violence that the law automatically creates . . . the law that these Christians and non-Christians support freely with their tax dollars. So once again, it’s explicitly stated and even Christ’s own words command the end of drug prohibition: “Better to have a millstone tied to your neck than to harm a child”. An adult drug user using drugs isn’t technically a child using drugs—that is obvious. But the black market automatically created out of the law (therefore the drug laws are technically and physically the drug black market in essence) harms kids.

          John 3:16 is swarming with “Freedom of Choice”: you can either make the decision to be a pagan or be a Christian because God loved you and you must accept that if you want to go to heaven. If you don’t want to go to Heaven, then don’t accept that God sent His Son. Christians are commanded by scripture to not ‘Force’ their religion, but to spread it and allow choice. The War on Drugs gives people no choice: Die or Die when drug money is involved. Drug prohibition would be more logical and acceptable to ‘real Christians’ if drugs were outlawed before man existed.

          Would you rather have the right to smoke pot legally or have the right to watch your child be murdered as a result of keeping it on the black market? Its as simple as that and thus we cannot really prove the drug legalization is really about the right to consume drugs since prohibitions on victimless ‘actions’ are a perversion in nature and thus drugs don’t need to be legalized for drug users, since such a law of keeping it illegal doesn’t exist in nature. The real argument isn’t about the law allowing ‘legal drug use’. Drug legalization is all about ending the violence. Dead people have the worst time scoring dope, so I cannot fathom how the law of legalization has anything to do with legal drug use. Your argument of ‘Well intended prohibition’ only exists in a world that is devoid of all economy . . . no money, no trading and no bartering. Therefore if drug prohibition is technically law (where nature supports it), then we know it’s illegal for us to use money or to trade or to barter. The law must outlaw all economies for drug prohibition to ‘maybe’ work in nature, since the Drug Black Market is technically America’s CSA laws since the CSA made the black market from scratch.

        • David Hart

          I’m not sure what the point of a lot your reply is; for one thing, nowhere in the Bible (that I know of) does it say anything like ‘thou shalt keep drugs legal, and campaign for their legalization anywhere that drug prohibition holdeth dominion’ (thus there is no explicit commandment for Christians to oppose prohibition, though you can certainly make an argument for an implicit commandment)
          … but my point was that to anyone who genuinely believes that prohibition prevents more harm than it causes, supporting prohibition will appear to be the more loving, more compassionate policy. They’d be wrong to believe that, sure, but unless we can convince them that they are wrong, no amount of appealing to them to love-thy-neighbour is likely to get them to change their views … whereas if you do manage to persuade them that prohibition causes more harm than it prevents, then, if they take loving-thy-neighbour seriously, they should automatically come round to our side.

          TL;DR – it is a lot more plausible that presentation of credible evidence of the relative harms of prohibition will do more to persuade reasonable religious people to support us than appealing to the tenets of their own religion, since those have not (in this scenario) already lead them to support us.

      • darkcycle

        Guys…I think you’re missing the point of this post. I believe Pete intended to point out the un-Christian behavior and beliefs of some Christians. Not to engage the debate of belief vs atheism.

  • Freeman

    As someone who was raised in the church and spent a lot of time studying Christianity, I am constantly bewildered by the number of idiots who somehow think that Christian morality is achieved through secular law.

    I share your experience and sentiment on the issue. This was one of several big issues I had with my experiences in the church that convinced me to walk away from organized religion as soon as I was out on my own.

    I have a saying for this phenomenon:
    Free Will: The Good Lord giveth, and His followers taketh away.

    • Duncan20903

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      I’m not certain why you would find it hard to understand why there are people who think that religionism and secular law are joined at the hip. Outside of the Asiatic civilizations religion was what we call the secular government today and that lasted for several millenia.

      Perhaps if you think of the Establishment clause in the U.S. Constitution and ponder how much of a departure from the standard government of the day that protecting that right represented perhaps that might help you to a better understanding of that dynamic. Beliefs ingrained in people for millennia just don’t go away overnight. But this one is in process of being relegated to the trash bin of history.

      If you read my post about Adam & Noah buttonholing The Big Fairy about the death penalty, I called each of them respectively the boss of the world. That isn’t a figure of speech or a metaphor. It was in fact their position in the government. The only qualification is that they were the bosses of the known world. Almost every book in the “old” testament was written from the point of view of the boss of the (known to them) world.

      I know that it took me a long time to understand that the old testament is almost exclusively political propaganda. The Big Fairy always agreed with the boss of the world. It’s called the divine right of kings.

      How many people realize that some of the most enthusiastic bible thumpers are stone cold atheists? Of course we’re not thumping to convince anyone it’s true. It’s actually quite the opposite. But unlike most religionists we’ve actually read the bible. Hey, nobody wants to go to hell so we were making sure that The Big Fairy Tale was in fact fiction.

  • DdC

    “In the later times, some shall speak lies in hypocrisy commanding to abstain from meats which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.” (Paul: 1 Timothy 1-4) Nowhere in the Bible does it say people cannot grow, possess, use or even smoke cannabis or that hemp is bad. In fact, quite the contrary: “God said, ‘Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed which is upon the face of all the earth. To you it will be for meat.’ And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.” (Genesis 1:29-31)

    Archeology: Ancient Temple Hashish Incense! Did Jesus Inhale?

    Why are ALL Christians so naive as to the Bible being mistranslated and even edited? If cannabis is bad, then the bible would say it is bad. Since it was available in the area at the time, it would have been mentioned. Good, bad or indifferent. The Hemp plant was utilized even more, and yet not a word. Since everything known at the time was written to warn us against or steer us toward. Total censorship is the only logical conclusion. I remember reading something about not changing a word written or suffer the wrath of God. So either cannabis is or it isn’t. If it is good it would have said. As many believe kaneh bosm does describe cannabis in the Bible as a Holy offering. An anointing oil and incense. 2000 years and hundreds of christian cults, offshoots with their own Bible extensions. But nothing is written about what can be described as the Tree of Life? No warnings of its mental diminishing aspects or as an evil intoxicant? The Christians have their own reefer madness with the Women’s Christian Temperance League with no understanding of temperance. Christian Science Monitor and all of the various evangelicals ranting against the heathens, yet God made plants. Thank the logic of the founders for separation of church and state. Time to exercise the lions.

    ☛Marijuana & the Bible
    Orignially posted at Chris Conrads website.
    Comprised by Chris Conrad…
    2) How was the cannabis plant used by people during Biblical times?

    Cannabis was widely used throughout the world since earliest times. ‘Cana’ got its name from the same root word as “cannabis,” indicating that hemp was grown there. The Bible also describes a common way of preparing marijuana for medicinal use: “The Lord said Afore harvest, when the bud is perfect and the sour grape is ripening in the flower, he shall cut off the sprigs with pruning hooks and take away and cut down the branches.” (Isaiah 18:4-5)

    Cannabis was traditionally used in 12 different ways: as clothing, paper, cord, sails, fishnet, oil, sealant, incense, food, and in ceremony, relaxation and medicine. And it was written, “On either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare 12 manner of fruits, and yielding her fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.” (Rev. 22:1-2)

    The leaves and flowers of cannabis are well known for their medicinal value, and the Thracians Scythians and Zoroastrians were just a few of the groups that were using cannabis socially during Jesus day.

    ☛MYTH , MAGIC & MEDICINE
    A Look at the Sociology of Cannabis Use Throughout World History

    ☛Cannabis Culture Archives: Sacrament
    ☛Scythians High Plains Drifters
    ☛Kaneh Bosm Cannabis in the OT
    ☛Visions of a Sacred Tree
    ☛When Smoke Gets in My Eye
    ☛Christ and Cannabis, Jesus Used Marijuana
    ☛Prohibition and the Bible
    ☛Ancient Stoners
    ☛Sacramental Cannabis

    AMERICA- Not A Christian Nation

    “Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear…. Do not be frightened from this inquiry from any fear of its consequences. If it ends in the belief that there is no God, you will find incitements to virtue in the comfort and pleasantness you feel in its exercise…”
    — Thomas Jefferson, in a 1787 letter to his nephew

    Christian Extremism and Terrorism In History

    “The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.”
    — Thomas Jefferson, 1823

    Woman’s Christian Vengeance Union

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  • Paul McClancy

    Wow, here comes Romans 13 to the rescue! Bow down to your statist overlords, unless it’s civil disobedience a la MLk or resisting the Nazis! It’s ok to go against the status quo in those cases. Cue the religious trolls crying apples to oranges on the comparison.

  • Randy

    The Abrahamic religions don’t teach morality. They are merely a series of moral proclamations, supposedly from god, most of which are now rejected in civilized societies. Unfortunately, the true believer immersed in their mythology, can’t see this. They think that their belief in a god gives them special insight into morality. History, of course, has shown otherwise.

    There are many reasons why I’m now an atheist and no longer a Christian. One was the wide spread support for the WOD that was and is so common to so many Christians. Their willingness to bring down violence or threat of violence on peaceful drug users via the drug laws exposes them as frauds who only love their fellow man as long as their fellow man lives like they themselves do. IOW, men of peace they aren’t.

    What is truly galling is how drug warriors usually ignore the societal destruction the enforcement of the drug laws has wrought on us all when writing their screeds in favor of repression. This article and the Miller article from the other day’s Washington Times were no different.

  • Servetus

    The Christians invented the WOD. It happened so long ago that few remember it, or why it happened. Still fewer care what happened. After all, learning history might make the right wing Christian too worldly. It could cause them to think, and that can lead to head explosions.

    Despite its origins, prohibition is useful. Tyrants love it because it’s based on good intentions; faux health issues, in this case. The WOD health facade conceals the insidious intent of political manipulators and oppressors who target people based on groups they allegedly represent. The rejected and demented love it because it provides them with jobs and careers in law enforcement and academia. Municipal governments love its forfeitures/confiscations/thefts.

    That’s the way it is in societies harboring exploitation and barbarism. Even with its gadgets, civilization hasn’t advanced much in the last 500 years.

    • Freeman

      Not so sure about the “invented” part, but I’ll buy “enthusiastically supported on a huge scale”. My memory of the Nixon era was that conservatives had Christians scared to death about the counterculture movement’s influence on their kids; Rock music, marijuana, long hair, communal living, etc. All that stuff was hyped and demonized, as I recall.

      My parents actually got so freaked out by it at the time that they banned two of my brother’s Carpenters(!) albums and removed them from the house because of a couple of cover songs originally written by Lennon and McCartney: Help! and Ticket To Ride. Will voters so terrified beyond any rational contemplation support harsh drug prohibition? You bet they will.

      • Servetus

        The first historical evidence I can find of a drug war involved the Christian Roman Emperor Theodosius I who raided the Eleusian Temple of Demeter in 392 CE. The temple was a site made famous by its dispensation of what is believed to have been drinks laced with ergot alkaloids, an LSD precursor and psychoactive agent. The temple was busted again in 396 CE, “when Alaric, King of the Goths, invaded accompanied by Christians ‘in their dark garments’, bringing Arian Christianity and desecrating the old sacred sites.

        “Blessed is he who, having seen these rites,
        undertakes the way beneath the Earth.
        He knows the end of life,
        as well as its divinely granted beginning.” — Pindar

        Anything found competing with Christianity for domination of the body and soul was suspect in those times as well as ours, and was thereby prohibited.

        • Freeman

          Ah, I see. I wasn’t thinking anywhere near far back enough!

        • DdC

          The Gnostics used cannabis and got the message, and sought out Jesus. The Philistines yuppies content with tinkle down from the Sanhedrin and Romans ie; Christianity. Naturally the Religionist opposed cannabis if they could find God without the church, statues, stained glass and gold now probably sitting on a trillion dollar war chest. Groups of Novices gathering, passing the chiloms, giggling out loud, bursting their love for Jesus and what he brought to the people. Love. Ganges River Bud. Picked up from the Scythians during the “missing years”. Don’t look there… It’s been expunged.

          Holy underwear!
          We have to protect our phoney baloney jobs here, gentlemen! We must do something about this immediately! Immediately! Immediately! Harrumph! Harrumph! Harrumph!
          Govczar William J. Le Petomane

          WTF, Blasphemermermers. What are they paying this Jesus? Overturning tables, all hopped up on that heathen devil weed. Giving away food. No thought for the grocer selling it. Hanging out with that Gang. Healing people with that Hash Oil. Our Pharmysicians have to eat on selling treatments. He has no regard, just heals them, no charge. Walks away, Phssst. What the christ is the matter with these Jews Bob?

          Then the Roman profiteer fascist originators getting Caesars cut of the Monk’s Vino Business. We dona need no concorso! The Birth of the Mafia. Rome, Roman, Mussolini, the Vatican and Pope. 2014 years later we’re still locking up heretics for witchcraft.

          Thomas was blurting out some pretty freaky shit about their childhoods. Reformers say it wouldn’t project with the demographics for the next tribunal. Best leave it out. 4 out of 12 Decipols made it into the Bible, how many other realities were censored for greed in the name of god. Seems Judas was the only one following the rules. Rules to nark him out, a legal snitch. Druggies don’t have to die and neither did Jesus. There is no message in dying for something preventable. Or can it in any definition be moral to hide a cure. Or jail a provider. Take their homes and children in the name of family values. Kill them for the sake of their health. Gage the paupers, fine the Philistines. Rehab them from being themselves.

          Homegrown has no medicinal value for the pharma powders and their side effect pills. Supported by the Romans, their Legions and the Same Ole Sanhedrin. While the Philistine’s dwindle and wither on polluted rivers, the Gnostics and Pagans are still passing chiloms. Random acts of kindness stir the same brain chemicals into euphoric joy as a new toy you had to spend energy taking shit from a boss to get money to buy. Joy wears off. The random act keeps reminding you with a smile for yourself. Healing the Nations ain’t a bad gig.

          To the Doomed Drug Worriers of Babylon and ye D.E.A.th Merchant’s of Sodom and Gomorra, If you are heading down a road paved with good intentions. Stop. Turn around. Don’t worry about removing a splinter from someone’s sye, especially those that don’t exist. While you have a shattered 2×4 plucking out of your own eye. Can’t even see someone’s eye let alone the splinter. The Blind led by those blinded by the light. Ah man.

  • N.T. Greene

    Use the word “four”…

  • B. Snow

    Reading just the first bit of his article is enough to for me to (pretty much) disregard anything/everything that follows it:

    1. Maintain Maximum Mental Capacities

    National surveys continue to indicate the overwhelming majority of Americans believe our nation is headed in the wrong direction, while others believe we are coming to the close of the age. Apocalyptic warnings seem to be swirling all around us amidst accelerating moral decline. (Take, for example, a film out now featuring Leonardo DiCaprio with a torrent of 506 F-words and 22 explicit sex scenes!)

    So, His argument basically starts with:

    Oh-noes, lots of “F-words” AND “Sex” in a popular movie? The world is ending!
    So, lets all stay sober – for when Jesus gets here…

    Or, something like that?
    I think not…

    At least, Not until he has better evidence – that – “He’s on his way – right now!” = then I’ll consider that plan of action more seriously.

    • B. Snow

      Okay, I did read a bit further and found his justification of such behavior, rather quickly AND sorely lacking in reason.

      ‘The scriptural admonition for the days in which we’re living is clear: “The end of all things is near. Therefore be alert and of sober mind so you can pray” (1 Pet. 4:7, NIV).

      Pot smoking fosters just the opposite.

      This man clearly cherry-picked ONE verse and is using it completely out of context.
      Read: 1st Peter Ch.4 verses 1-thru-11 (NIV)
      And see if he’s misleading people (Just a tiny bit).

      I could equally quote (1 Pet. 4:6 ) to justify telling people they should go hang out in cemeteries preaching to the graves of recently dead sinners, who died without hearing the gospel… And say this is a good use of ones time.

      That bit of 1 Peter – is a pep-talk to early Christians who were subject to “Suffering for Being a Christian”.

      Sorry but that was directed at a particular audience – and may have had other significance since then but cherry picking a single verse from it – in seemingly trying to push for legislation that EVERYONE must/should “Live for God”, is misleading = at best…

      It’s plain-old deceitful in my eyes.

      Or – just maybe I’m just not totally “done with sin” aka Verse 3:

      “3 For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do—living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry.

      and In Fact I’m feeling a bit persecuted by pagans (okay maybe not pagans) myself as the Christians mentioned in verses 4 & 5 were:

      4 They are surprised that you do not join them in their reckless, wild living, and they heap abuse on you. 5 But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead.

      Yeah, I definitely feel more in the “abuse being heaped onto me” crowd… and this guy will be judged along with everyone else = I mean did even read verse 8?

      8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.

      I think not, and IMHO) He totally missed verses 9 & 10 too.

      9 Offer hospitality to one another without grumbling. 10 Each of you should use whatever gift you have received to serve others, as faithful stewards of God’s grace in its various forms.

      And again IMHO – he would totally fail a pop-quiz regarding at Verse 11 = BUT – I’m not gonna quote it though, I just don’t think that would be appropriate for me to do so.
      Just like quoting a single verse (out of context) as a justification for a one-sided political purpose would be.

  • DdC

    Blasphemy and The Tree of Life

    And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Gen.2 9

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    And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Gen.3 22

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    And I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the heathen any more. Ezekiel 34:29

    So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. Genesis 3:24

    The Drug Czar is Required by Law to Lie

    The Lord… hath sent me to bind up the broken hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and the opening of the prison to them that are bound. (Isaiah 61:1)

    Rev.22 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

    (Jesus:) ‘Verily I say unto you, inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethern, ye have done it unto me.” (Matt. 25:40)

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    What’s life like in our prisons for those marijuana convicts? Let’s steel our nerves and go visit the Web site, where the Los Angeles outfit “Stop Prisoner Rape” has posted the little plain-talking handbill it has prepared for young men entering our prison system, titled “For Prisoners: Advice on Avoiding HIV/AIDS.”

    Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. Rev. 22:14

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