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Vastly improved education of the populace

Now and then the ignorance of the masses depresses me when I read bizarre comments related to a drug war news item (usually at Yahoo news, for some reason). Yet, on the whole, I am incredibly impressed with the knowledge of commenters at news sites.

What a difference from even 5 years ago!

This inspires me to optimism.

Case in point. Really bad letter in the Springfield, Illinois, State Journal-Register by Dora Dixie, M.D.: Smoking marijuana is not medicine

It was full of the kind of nonsense that gets my blood boiling, from someone who is Immediate past president of the Illinois Society of Addiction Medicine in Chicago.

I stand with thousands of physicians across our country and around the world who know that smoking marijuana is not medicine. […]

It is apparent that the legislators for legalization of medical marijuana are minimizing the potential harm to public health and safety […] Is it possible that they are far more interested in the millions of dollars that stand to line pockets and political coffers?

People who need alternative therapies for pain relief and other symptoms associated with end-stage illness have plenty of options that don’t require them to smoke. Those options should be determined by patients and their reputable health-care providers, not Illinois legislators. […]

I urge more physicians to stand up to the medical-marijuana industry and the drug-legalization movement and to refuse to allow responsible medicine to be compromised by them. I also urge Illinoisans to contact their legislators and insist that they just say no to Rep. Lang and his latest medical marijuana proposal, SB 1381.

As I was reading the letter, the obvious retorts were screaming in my brain, and yet.. check out what I found in comments before I even had a chance. Clear. To the point.

artie: From the penultimate paragraph, ‘Those options should be determined by patients and their reputable health-care providers, not Illinois legislators.’

I agree entirely. Legalize it and let the decision be with patients and their reputable health-care providers, not Illinois legislators.

lunarschooner:well, you have a stake in ‘drug’ rehabilitation don’t you?

dg48: Here we have another professional drug warrior who spent over twenty years being part of the problem instead of part of the solution and cannot now ever admit this to herself. It is unfortunate that she would sell so many suffering people down the river just to justify her career choice.

MrM: I wonder if Dr. Dixie has actually read the bill. The bill does not allow for a medical marijuana industry. It allows a patient and 1 caregiver to grow their own plants. The number and size of plants is quite limited. The amount of marijuana that the patient and caregiver are allowed to possess is 2 ounces.

Where is all of this ‘millions of dollars that stand to line pockets and political coffers’ going to come from?

Boom.

With only about a dozen comments, the visitors had covered vaporizing marijuana as medicine, the hypocrisy of supporting more dangerous prescribed drugs, and more.

Nice to see. Good job, “army” (although it didn’t appear to be any of ours directly commenting, the work everyone does feeds into the knowledge base of the citizenry).

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39 comments to Vastly improved education of the populace

  • darkcycle

    Those would be the “and others” to whom I refer. It ain’t just us.

  • Just Legalize It

    in the age of the internet, you can only sustain such a big lie for so long.

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  • DdC

    The Ganjawar is a product sold to naive tax payers. Perpetuating the war is the goal, winning is as bad as legalizing. Legislating competition off the market is what Fascism does and what Fascists do. Many so called normal Americans with good conscience follow the lies of their leaders, perpetuating this Ganjawar abominaion. When they discover their mistakes one would think as good people, they would amend their wicked ways. But alas, too many, especially politicians are more afraid of being wrong or scolded or ridiculed. They would rather continue to torture and terrorize Americans just to to save face. Farmers denying themselves a crop such as Hemp, Doctors and Rehab Califono types are literally selling out Americans for Neocon profit. Misery Treatment pays, cures and prevention don’t.

    “Be on gaurd against science without humanity,
    Politics without principle, Knowledge without character,
    Wealth without work, Commerce without morality,
    Pleasure without conscience, And worship without sacrifice.”
    ~ Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

    “The size of the lie is a definite factor in causing it to be believed, for the vast masses of the nation are in the depths of their hearts more easily deceived than they are consciously and intentionally bad. The primitive simplicity of their minds renders them a more easy prey to a big lie than a small one, for they themselves often tell little lies but would be ashamed to tell a big one.”
    ~ Benito Mussolini,
    “London Sunday Express,” December 8, 1935

    “Germany needs the strength of every single man for the development of his national and economic freedom, therefore, no German has the right to impair his strength through alcohol abuse or drugs. Such action is detrimental not only to himself, but to his family, and above all, to his people.”
    ~ Heinrich Himmler, 1938

    “Parallel to the training of the body a struggle against the poisoning of the soul must begin. Our whole public life today is like a hothouse for sexual ideas and simulations. Just look at the bill of fare served up in our movies, vaudeville and theaters, and you will hardly be able to deny that this is not the right kind of food, particularly for the youth… Theater, art, literature, cinema, press, posters, and window displays must be cleansed of all manifestations of our rotting world and placed in the service of a moral, political, and cultural idea.”
    ~ Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 10

    “Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.”
    ~ Reichsmarschall Hermann Goering,
    Nazi Air Force (Luftwaffe) commander, the Nuremberg Trials

    “I’m not comparing Obama to Hitler,
    but please read Mein Kampf and learn from Germany’s mistakes.”
    ~ Glenn Beck August 12, 2009

    “How many murders, suicides, robberies, criminal assaults, holdups, burglaries and deeds of maniacal insanity it causes each year, especially among the young, can only be conjectured…No one knows, when he places a marijuana cigarette to his lips, whether he will become a joyous reveller in a musical heaven, a mad insensate, a calm philosopher, or a murderer…”
    ~ HARRY J ANSLINGER
    Commissioner of the US Bureau of Narcotics 1930-1962

    “All propaganda must be so popular and on such an intellectual level, that even the most stupid of those towards whom it is directed will understand it. Therefore, the intellectual level of the propaganda must be lower the larger the number of people who are to be influenced by it.”

    “Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise.”
    ~ Benito Mussolini,
    “London Sunday Express,” December 8, 1935

    “There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana usage. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others.”
    ~ Harry Anslinger, U.S. Commissioner of Narcotics,1937.
    testifying to Congress on why marijuana should be made illegal,
    (Marijuana Tax Act, signed Aug. 2, 1937; effective Oct. 1, 1937.)

    Al Capone and Watergate were red herrings to divert the countries attention from the Fascist acts of eliminating competition. Booze/Ethanol or Ganja//Hemp

    CANNABIS TINCTURES AND FLUID-EXTRACTS

  • Denny

    Greetings. I am dmg48, one of the people who posted a comment to that ignorant letter from the career drug warrior. I had a letter to the paper published just a couple of days before the letter you mention. I was responding to another writer who anti medical marijuana. I have neuropathy and have been active in the fight to get a medical cannabis bill passed in Illinois. Naturally I monitor all letters on the subject printed in the SJ-R and I always check on the comments. For the past couple of years the comments in favor of the bill far outnumber the people who write against it. If the representatives just voted the wishes of their constituency, the bill would have passed long ago.

  • Wayne

    “the millions of dollars that stand to line pockets and political coffers”

    If Dr. Dixie fails to grasp the most rudimentary of economic concepts, how can she practice medicine?

    Apples and pot are roughly equivalent in terms of the difficulties in producing/growing them (actually, apples are more difficult to produce – but humor me). Apples costs in the range of $0.50 to $2 per pound. Pot costs in the range of $2,000 to $4,000 per pound. Seems to me the only pockets getting lined are attached to the suits of prohibitionists. And what fine suits they must be!

  • Paul

    Welcome, Denny!

    These days, if you want to write a statist, reactionary editorial or “news article” you have to make sure comments are off, or are buried behind a link few people click on. If you don’t, you’ll get an earful from readers who never used to be able to tell the press just what they thought of them.

  • tensity1

    She must not be a well-read doctor when both the American Medical Association and the American College of Physicians say that say that marijuana is effective medicine and should be rescheduled. But what do those organizations know, right?

  • […] improved education of the populace Vastly improved education of the populace DrugWarRant / Pete Guither / 1,21,2011 Now and then the ignorance of the masses depresses me […]

  • DdC

    DEA Report Expresses Profound Hatred of Marijuana and Activism
    by Scott Morgan, January 21, 2011, 02:02am

    New Heads of DEA, DOJ’s OPR Have Skeletons in House of Death Closet
    Leonhart, Ashton Now in Key Posts; Cover-Up Continues
    By Bill Conroy Via the Narcosphere January 1, 2011

  • darkcycle

    WOW. That’s all I can say. Take a look at the DEA position paper linked by DdC, all I can say is “Wow”. They seem to hate us. Awwwww….

  • darkcycle

    If K2 was a risky response to the illegal status of marijuana, then one might have predicted this:
    Read about the new artificial cocaine:
    http://stopthedrugwar.org/speakeasy/2011/jan/18/if_you_thought_fake_marijuana_wa

  • Duncan20903

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    I find it amusing nowadays when some Know Nothing shows up and posts that there’s no such thing as medical marry wanna. They’re still working on a response for the Iowa and Oregon Boards of Pharmacy recognize cannabis as a valid medicine. I’m looking forward to it because it’s going to have to be a darn good trick. The BoP is conservative they were one of the first to schedule synthetic cannabis during the political frenzy caused by the straight people’s discovery of synthetic cannabis last year.

    Here’s a picture of the 6 members of the Iowa Board of Pharmacy.
    http://hempbeach.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/hemp-beach-tv-iowa-board-of-pharmacy-300×225.jpg

    I really think Carl Olsen should be canonized. Will you just look at these Elmer Fudds that he talked into a voting 6-0 to reschedule cannabis to schedule 2? No way he’s not a miracle worker.

    This is just such a rare example of ethics in government. It’s not often we see government authorities do the right thing simply because it is the right thing to do. Despite a desperate desire to not have to admit the evidence is real they felt compelled to be honest. You’re just not going to see this happen very often in government. Treasure the memory.

  • Duncan20903

    DC, that synthetic cocaine is only slightly newer than synthetic cannabis. I became aware of synthetic cannabis in 2005 although I thought it just a placebo designed to seperate the gullible from their money. I would never have known the shit gets people high except for the Know Nothings’ feeding frenzy last year. I had decided the same thing about synthetic cocaine, I guess I was wrong about that being inert as well. That would have been late ’07 or early ’08. One thing these clowns don’t ever seem to get is that their psychotic feeding frenzy demanding it be made illegal is actually advertising the product to people who wouldn’t have thought about trying it twice. Well, I’m an old man and my days of ‘spareaminting are over. If this same thing had happened in the ’80 I certainly would have tried it, if it were any good I’d have a huge stockpile. I really can’t believe there aren’t a huge cohort of people today that are what I would have been.

    Did everyone hear that they made the first arrest for distribution of synthetic cannabis?

    http://www.wafb.com/Global/story.asp?S=13862427

    Apparently there’s been another half dozen arrests since I heard about the first.

    Synthetic cocaine, eh? Just another of the periodically produced bastard progeny of prohibition. Crack cocaine, methamphetamine, synthetic cannabis, and synthetic cocaine all of them red headed step children we could have lived without, brought to us by the war on (some) drugs. Thanks to the anti-drug people, they just can’t help themselves and consistently do a heckuva job, a heckuva job.

    OK, let’s have a contest! What’s going to be the next unintended consequence of prohibition? If you guess right maybe you can have naming rights to the next substance listed in Schedule 1. We’ll just have to wait to find out, but don’t worry, it will happen sooner than later.

  • Duncan20903

    If you’re old enough, meaning 30+, you might recall that Nevada used to have horridly draconian penalties for possession of cannabis as well as a felony charge of “internal” possession. Nevada being the only place that criminalized possession of waste metabolites to the best of my recollection. Stunningly, around the turn of the century Nevada quietly downgraded petty cannabis possession to a misdemeanor. I hadn’t even wondered about the “internal” possession laws, but today I found out that was never downgraded and is still a felony in Nevada. I’m not talking about driving while (whatever) I mean “internal” possession.

    All you people with ancient convictions please be advised that if you visit Nevada you have 48 hours to present yourself to the local police and inform them that you are there. If you don’t that’s another felony charge.

    Now I’m really wondering about Nevada’s “zero tolerance for waste metabolites” DUI-d law, internal possession, and their medical cannabis statute and how they are interrelated.

    If I get pulled over while driving and the cop discovers that I have trace amounts of THC-cooh I’m going to get a DUI-d regardless of actual impairment. Would I also get tagged with the “internal possession” felony? Am I really up shit’s creek without a paddle if I’ve been in Nevada for 49 hours without informing the police and the above hypothetical occurs?

    I understand that Nevada displays your medical cannabis status right on your driver’s license so if you’re pulled over the orificer knows that you use medical cannabis. Is the combination of these things a de facto surrender of your driving “privileges”?

    Nevada doesn’t sound like a nice place.

    Hmm, apparently Utah also has “internal possession” laws:
    http://forum.freeadvice.com/drug-charges-28/charged-internal-posession-90636.html

    We really need someone to compile a list of States with such laws. The poor girl in the link might have played it better if she had known about the law. She’s definitely not being excused because she was a Utah resident and if you’re going to play with cannabis it’s incumbent that you learn what acts are illegal and the penalties you are likely to receive if caught. But people from other States are at risk. People from my side of the country have never heard of “internal possession” laws. I wasn’t even aware that Utah had such a law and I’m fairly knowledgeable about the trivia and arcana of cannabis and cannabis laws. Betcha I have a better grasp of the application of Prop 215/SB 420 than approaching 100% of Californians.

    Oh well shit, South Dakota and New Hampshire as well. There must not be many people that are charged with this, I’d expect to have heard a lot about it if it weren’t.

    http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/326/southdakota.shtml

    • Maria

      I’ll be honest and say that had no idea that such laws existed either. It just underlines the reality, there is never an end to the things you need to read up on and understand.

  • ddc – here is a start for the various state laws, though it could use more detail:
    http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=4516

  • It’s a funny thing isn’t it? Turn a light on and that smell in the darkness is made visible and recognizable as the pile of crap in the middle of the room that it is…

    (old joke: Q: how do you get flies out of the kitchen? A: put a bucket of shit in the living room)

    Now tho’… 5… 10 years later (30 – 40 years for some of us;) lots of light is shining on the dung heap of Prohibition and everyone is beginning to acknowledge that not only does it really stinks up a room but it looks like hell too.

    Folks that ain’t afraid to muck out a stall started with their scoops. Soon others came, more lights were installed and left on 24/7. Then the bobcats and backhoes showed up… but the excrementalists can produce massive piles of doo almost instantly. So it became a bit of a see-saw battle for awhile. But then… that 70 ton excavator was brought in with a fresh crew of seasoned professional prohibitionist drug war deserters… ex-cops and judges and all levels of criminal justice persecutors who had turned their backs, joined together and turned around and faced their former bosses, standing side by side with the people they once pursued as perceived law breakers. A giant social/cultural bridge was LEAPed… and the excrementalists fear made them constipated and they began to bloat because they couldn’t indiscriminately crap in the living any longer without an immediate uproar. And then the pile of manure began to actually decrease in size because so many people were helping scoop it out!

    And that’s where we are today… we’re taking their dung and turning it into fertile compost for our garden… ganja loves rich soil and ganja is a passionate grower, lusty, bold and proud. All the plants they think they can ban and destroy are our allies. The indigenous connection to the plant world is copied by this synthetic culture and every time they discover someone is enjoying nature they shriek “Intoxicant! Evil spawn, destroyer of children and mind!” But human ingenuity is only outdone by the thirst for altered states of mind…

    I fear tho’ that the worst may still be yet to come… whether it will be a move to unleash the fusarium oxysporum and other bio-weapons, perhaps more violent LE confrontations… or even a total lockdown. The saving grace is that as Kap loves to point out we’re broke, we’re not number one (or won’t be much longer) and we’re on a slide that has yet to reach bottom. We can’t afford to feed the “beast that poops upon us all” any longer and if it don’t eat, it can’t poop, if it can’t poop it will die.

    hmmm… now I havta find my Funkadelic “America Eats Its Young” album… maybe “Maggotbrain”… yeah…

    {spoken}
    Mother Earth is pregnant for the third time
    For y’all have knocked her up.
    I have tasted the maggots in the mind of the universe
    I was not offended
    For I knew I had to rise above it all
    Or drown in my own shit.
    Come on Maggot Brain
    Go on Maggot Brain
    (Maggot Brain lyrics © Bridgeport Music Inc; Southfield Music Inc.)

  • darkcycle

    Allan, I chuckle to myself every time I hear somebody talk about a secret “biological control” to be employed against Cannabis, like Oxysporum, or a “terminator gene”. When I hear that, I smile and look at my lawn. And I count the dandelions. The dandelions that I futilely spent years trying to eradicate (and before me, countless others, professional horticulturists and home owners too). Then I think about the incredible plasticity of Cannabis genetics and that it’s a fast growing, dioecious plant (I have some considerable experience with that, as well). And I smile some more. Allan, when they can eradicate the dandelion, I’ll worry. Until then, remember they’re called weeds for a reason…

  • ezrydn

    It seems only the “therapist” people, you know, the ones with their hands in the cookie jar, are the only ones who still believe that cannabis can ONLY be used in a “smoked” form. Maybe when they get a bit more educated on FACTS, someone might listen to them. But when “smoked” is their only foundation for denial, they’re as idiotic as their brethern, the other Prohibitionists!

    Some medical people need to really grab a clue, or, buy a vowel!!

  • darkcycle

    Besides, if they did eradicate Cannabis, how would they justify their existence? I think they want that less than WE do.

  • darkcycle

    “Therapist” is a word usually reserved for Psychologists and Psychoanalysts. I think you mean “counselors” or “treatment specialists”. But yeah, right you are, but they have a vested interest, don’t they?

  • @ darkcycle… oh, it’s not me having any fear of actual eradication, it’s the use of biological weapons, plain and simple. It’s their war, fusarium would be (is?) a weapon and one with mutagenic capabilities that could/would harm other plant species. Food crops for instance…

    … the spraying of coca in Central America has had devastating effects on farms and the people and livestock that live in sprayed areas. It’s bullshit and I’ve long wondered where the hell all the environmentalists are that should be speaking up.

    Remember Paraquat? It turns out that it didn’t harm us consumers of sprayed pot lo those many decades ago, but it did hurt those upon whom it was sprayed and whose jobs it was to handle it. It’s one of if not the most used form of suicide amongst 2nd and 3rd world farmers and one of the world’s most commonly used herbicides.

  • darkcycle

    I’m with you Allan. It’s another manifestation of the policies that in every case, fail to meet their goals and cause harm to the very people they claim to be saving.

  • darkcycle

    They’ll willingly kill a million, just to keep ten from getting high.

  • Duncan20903

    DC, On the subject of therapists, they only have a vested interest if they actually know that they’re bald faced lying. Based on the assertion that legalizing or making a safe harbor for the medical use of cannabis will lead to more supply More supply = more addiction, more addictions mean more businesses for drug rehab stays, and I don’t think it unlikely that some of the revenue from vending cannabis legally is going to be assigned to fund more drug rehab facilities which is
    even more money for the drug rehab operators.

    If they know that cannabinoidians were not inclined or feel a need to sign up for “rehab” and that absent the stick of law enforcement that the rehab operators pool of customers would surely decrease and end up more akin to a plastic wading pool of customers.

    Alright, I just saw the sign flashing warning —overthinking— so I’m going to leave it there
    —————————————————————————————————————

    Speaking of Nevada:
    Don’t Gamble with Mary Wanna!

    http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID19678/images/resized_2333041164_a5c2b93df0_2_.jpg

  • darkcycle

    Ah, Duncan, you’ve landed on something here, perhaps inadvertently. Some are reformed addicts and other people for whom an anecdote provides all the certainty they’ll ever need. But those people are out in the trenches for the most part, doing the nitty-gritty recovery stuff. It’s the BUISNESS model of rehabilitation that is our enemy, not the counselors themselves. That business model depends on a steady stream of court driven revenues. And subsequently, they depend on the perception that Cannabis is addictive and harmful. It’s the business model that would never survive legalization, since w/o the courts to drive people to treatment, almost no one would seek it because of Cannabis. Lets concentrate on the business liars, and maybe some of the facts will eventually sway the true believers.

  • darkcycle

    Sometimes in the drug war, what goes around, comes around:
    http://www.observer-reporter.com/or/localnews/01-20-2011-staggers-plea

  • darkcycle

    And this truly awesome piece from a Northwestern Mi. communications Sophomore; the kids get it:
    http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/forum/scherker-what-are-the-policymakers-smoking-1.2436713

  • DdC

    They’ll willingly kill a million, just to keep 300 million on Pharmaceuticals, trees, meat, dairy, plastic, cotton, pesticides, herbicides, and Fossil Fools. Plus the trillion in tax dollars paid to enforce this farce.

    Ganja//Hemp

    Experts worry that medical-pot laws promote teen use

    Substance-abuse experts? No Wonder.

    Substance-abuse experts or excerpts?

  • claygooding

    I read the DEA report and I think I will just hate them back.

    Now I gotta load my bong and forget about them,,,,,even for a lil while.

  • Sick........!

    “Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.”
    ~ Reichsmarschall Hermann Goering,
    Nazi Air Force (Luftwaffe) commander, the Nuremberg Trials

    Now doesnt this sound familiar? Our politicians use this all the time(knowingly or not).
    How often do we hear that our vets are potential terrorists or grumblings about protestors and how unpatriotic they are? They say the same about us reformers , that we are trying to destroy America . Its them we want to put a stop to and they know it so they employ communist, socialist, nationalist veiws such as this against all dessentors. Now whos being unpatriotic.
    America, take note, for those who would jail your future childern have taken note. Watch the headlines and sound bites, then , tell me these politicians and drug warriors arent using old tactics of former enemies…Now whos destorying America.

    Men that can govern themselves need no governments at all. Maybe people around the world are waking up to this fact.

  • DdC

    “All propaganda must be so popular and on such an intellectual level, that even the most stupid of those towards whom it is directed will understand it. Therefore, the intellectual level of the propaganda must be lower the larger the number of people who are to be influenced by it.”

    Just say NO

  • Sick........!

    While Im standing on the soap box…

    I seen a report that the US will start using 15% ethanol in our gas now. It was reported that when we started using 10% ethanol, 40% of our grain was used for fuel. Now Im no math wiz but, doesnt that extra 5% mean another 20% of our grain will be used? This has (with 10%) increased our food prices, another 5% WILL further increase OUR food prices. Also, that has caused food shortages in countries we USED to send grain to. What will another 5% do to the poor of the world?

    Ethanol is also heavily subsidized with federal money…costing us..the taxpayers..more money. This is a sick world we live in.

    Now to the point. WHY THE HELL ARE THESE DRUG WARRIORS FIGHTING HEMP FARMING !! We could be using hemp instead of corn. Even if hemp isnt as good for fuel as corn….at least we wouldnt be using our FOOD as fuel.

    END PROHIBITION AND STOP THE GREEDY UNPATRIOTIC POLICIES OF THESE COMMUNIST TERRORIST CALLED DRUG WARRIORS.THEY ARE DESTROYING AMERICA AND STARVING CHILDREN AROUND THE WORLD !

  • DdC

    Now doesnt this sound familiar?

    “Terrorist operatives infiltrate our communities, plotting, planning and waiting to kill again….To those who scare peace loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: your tactics only aid terrorists.”
    ~ John Ashcroft,
    United States Attorney General

  • DdC

    Using corn for ethanol when its the leading food staple amoung most of the people on the planet is the same sabotage as Merdinol or Thalidomide to ward off Ganja.

    Al Capone and Watergate were red herrings to divert the countries attention from the Fascist acts of eliminating competition. Booze/Ethanol or Ganja//Hemp.

  • vicky vampire

    You are so right,both the American Medical Association and the American College of Physisians say cannabis should be rescheduled are you listening DEA,OBAMA,CONGRESS,SENATE,HELLO. OH OF COURSE not it falls on dear ears.

    Whoa Ddc interesting AND CHILLING quotes from MEIN KAMF AND HENrig Himmler.

    Yes clay I agree load our bong,paper and forget about them.

    Oh my a little a side on tuesday legilature here in Utah will look at cutting back state liquor stores yes there are making good money but will cut budget still possibly by three million that means closing at five or more state liguor stores and the will no longer be open till tenpm. at night closing at 7pm. they did away with club memberships about two years ago an outdated bizarre practice but then they take little steps back. like under 35 your license is electronically carded in system and now new restaurants with bar in sights must mix drinks out of sight in back room older restaurants are granfathered its just a bunch of pardon my lanqguage a bunch of crazy bullshit a friend asked if medical marijuana dispenseries will ever make it to UTAH I JUST laughed hysterically at her are you joking, that will never happen here trust me.

    Please they where interviewing a woman on TV A GUY GUY BUSTED FOR selling spice I in a smokeshop it was banned back in October back davis county I believe and A LADY BEING Interviewed on local news she was shocked that there was even a smoke shop in suburb and people actually bought stuff there yeah the predominant religion can not believe that folks still yes even some in their church sneak and smoke Tobbaco and hey some folks maybe like to collect those cute lighters good lord. is it crazier where you live.