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Fun with profitable stupidity (Updated)

Today’s candidate: Lt. Andrew Hawkes, a 19-year police veteran who has worked in patrol, K9, investigations, narcotics and administration. His book, Secrets of Successful Highway Interdiction, “contains eleven chapters on Highway Drug Interdiction.”

Why does the debate continue over marijuana legalization? at PoliceOne.com (comments from registered participants only).

People see that there isn’t much upside to legalization. Crime will always be associated with drug use whether it’s legal or not. Driving under the influence, thefts, burglaries, and crimes against persons would continue to be related to people using and selling drugs.

In my opinion, if California had passed this into law it would be a matter of time before Mexican drug cartels controlled American production of the drug under legal circumstances. We can control the border violence as it is, what makes us think we could stop the Cartel’s from having a legitimized business front to control production in California.

Wow. Just wow. Forget the typos. What does it take to actually imagine this? Let’s just look at that second paragraph (have fun with the first yourself)… How would the Mexican drug cartels control American production under legal circumstances? In a legalized market, how does the drug cartel compete economically with an American grower and still pay for their army back in Mexico and the guns and the politicians…?

Perhaps we should focus on taking down the cartels — the violent organized crime units that are committing so much more crimes than just the smuggling of drugs.

Um. We have. And lots of people are dying because of it.

Bureaucrats need to stop all the bullcrap discussions in Washington about “how” to protect our border and just do it.

Just do it? What is this, a Nike commercial? Maybe if we paint a swoosh on the fence, the drugs will stay out.

Bonus stupidity: wr134 in comments:

Potheads will still be potheads and will still rob/steal/burglarize to support their habit. Why make it any easier.

Update: Shaleen with LEAP has joined in the comments there, and now so has Howard Wooldridge:

Our Thin Blue Line is getting thinner. We waste some 10 million hours nationally chasing the green plant. Aside from issues like personal liberty and limited govt intrusion in one’s house, should detectives be in chat rooms catching pedophiles or flying around in helicopters? BTW, we are currently missing tens of thousands of child cyber porn folks and 400,000 rape kits have never been opened.

In my 18 years as a street cop I went to zero calls generated by the use of pot.

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42 comments to Fun with profitable stupidity (Updated)

  • Nick

    Dumbfounded by the backwards completion principle.
    Thanks for the dumbfoundry Pete.

  • Jojo

    In the process of becoming a registered user at Policeone.com, it asked me whether I was a “civilian” or law enforcement in some capacity. When you register as a “civilian,” the site will not allow you to comment on the article unless you are law enforcement.

  • And even what review. I just stumbled upon your blog and in addition wanted to articulate that I have really enjoyed reading your blog posts. Any way I’ll be subscribing to your feed and thus I hope you post yet again in a little while.

  • driving under the influence of donuts

    Bwahaha that corporate sell-out logo on the fence and asinine comment about potheads made me laugh. Thanks I needed that.

  • Ben

    Law enforcement, with its profit motives, consciously chooses to reject reason, logic, and science. And our politicians happily fall in behind the police, who have credibility only with those who are unharmed by the drug war.

  • Citizen26

    Can someone please translate that excerpt from PoliceOne my translator can’t do pigspeak all I read was OINK OINK OINK.

  • Rhayader

    How would the Mexican drug cartels control American production under legal circumstances?

    The sad thing is that this isn’t the first time I’ve heard this argument. Until organized crime takes a significant percentage of our alcohol market away from regulated legal suppliers, the claim is absurd to say the least.

    It sounds like the restrictions on the site are set up such that all posters and commenters are somehow involved in law enforcement. Scary.

  • Kozmo

    Willful ignorance on display for all the world to see. And from our “servants and protectors” no less. :facepalm:

  • Dante

    I propose a new feature here on this blog: Stupidest comment in the world!

    From the article:
    “We can control the border violence as it is”

    28,000 dead is controlling border violence? Daily kidnappings and beheadings is controlling border violence? Entire towns emptying out due to fear of violence is controlling the border violence? Gunfire across the Rio Grande is controlling the border violence?

    I eagerly pass the well-deserved “Most Stupid” award to the cop that thinks he, or anyone, is controlling the border violence. They can’t even stop their own from taking bribes, telling lies and committing border violence.

    In addition, I despair at the thought that my tax dollars are being spent to arm this person.

  • Matthew Meyer

    >How would the Mexican drug cartels control American >production under legal circumstances?

    Rhayader sez:

    The sad thing is that this isn’t the first time I’ve heard this argument. Until organized crime takes a significant percentage of our alcohol market away from regulated legal suppliers, the claim is absurd to say the least.

    I say:

    Currently, I would be surprised if the cartels weren’t doing everything they could to get a chunk of the medical market in Cali.

    I am actually a bit worried that the same kinds of regulation that will supposedly keep the cartels from pulling strings from behind the scenes may push out mom n pop operations.

  • Kant

    I dunno wr134 had some pretty :facepalm: comments after the line pete posted

    emphasis mine

    I likewise agree that the cartels have become a threat to our national security and sovereignty. However, it is the liberal politicians in Washington, D.C. that have instructed what troops do deploy to the border not to shoot back or stand their ground and have tied the hands of law enforcement as much as they can without being obvious. All with no greater goal than to further their own political agenda and power.

    because clearly what we need to do is give police unlimited power and send the troops into mexico.

  • Rhayader

    @Matthew: Currently, I would be surprised if the cartels weren’t doing everything they could to get a chunk of the medical market in Cali.

    The only real significant activity in California from the cartels is the outdoor production on public land. This is certainly large in scale, but it’s not a major player in the medical market, where indoor is king.

    To whatever extent that cartels are involved in the current activity in California, it is enabled by the black market. If large-scale production and distribution were brought fully above board, they would have very little leverage in that market.

  • darkcycle

    Rhyader: Where is the proof that Mexican Cartels are growing in National Forests? That’s more bunk from our government. I live close to a lots of National Parks and Forests here in Washington State; they claim Mezkin’ Cartels are growing here, too. They’re NOT. You want to know why large plantations are popping up all over the place? U.S. Citizens. These plantations are on Federal land because of FORFEITURE law. Can you tell me who is gonna plant on their own property, and have it forfeited, when if you plant on the OTHER side of the property line, you just watch them take the plants and go away? And since there’s no security out there, no private property signs or fences, you better plant two hundred plants, instead of 99, just to cover your bases. Heck, no space limits or boundaries, why not try two thousand? Or twenty thousand, and there’s your retirement, neat. There’s no Mezkin Cart-wheels out there growin’ in national forests, just like there’s no Santa Clause and no tooth fairy

  • claygooding

    I disagree with that darkcycle and it is because they have arrested a few Mexican Nat’ls while busting some of the huge grows. I don’t think they are the largest part of the park grows,but they are there.
    If I was taking 40 billion a year out of America yearly for marijuana I would not only have the parks staked out but be buying houses,warehouses and commercial buildings for indoor grows. If you can take a $100,000 3 bedroom house and produce a half million dollars worth of m/m in it in 6 months,who cares if they take the house after 2 or 3 crops?

  • claygooding

    When posting at the Washington Post or the Huffington Post
    I have had every comment I have made about the reason marijuana is kept illegal is to protect big industry from hemp
    censored. None of the posts contained abusive language or named any corps but they were not posted.
    I will try once more at the next opportunity and copy/paste the comment on my notepad for your perusal
    if they don’t post it.

  • darkcycle

    OMFG. He actually said that if weed were legal in California, that “….people would start taking “vacations” there..” Can you imagine the chaos if people started VACATIONING in CALIFORNIA?
    What’s gonna happen when this guy finds out about Disney Land? His head’s going to explode all over his squad car.

  • darkcycle

    Clay, an arrested Mexican National or two does not make a cartel. To date, as far as I’ve been able to tell, not one person arrested so far has been tied conclusively to the cartels. The evidence they show tends to be seven-eleven burrito wrappers and rice. That doesn’t mean it’s not happening, but I’d like to point out that it is far more likely it’s ‘mercuns out there. They very seldom make any arrests at these grows, so what we have is alllegations. I want evidence before I’ll accept ANYTHING our government says….particularly about marijuana. They don’t tell the truth.

  • Rhayader

    @darkcycle: I wouldn’t be surprised if the involvement of Mexican cartels in the California state land cultivation is indeed exaggerated by law enforcement and media. I can’t say for sure. Either way, I think my central point — that Mexican cartels are really in no position to exert influence over even the medical market, let alone a legal recreational market — remains intact.

  • everything is exaggerated by the government

  • Jake

    I think the real shame is that after 19 years this guy is unable to see the difference between the huge amount of crime caused by drugs being ‘illegal’ and by the actual drugs themselves. I’m bet his views on legal alcohol would conflict with what he envisages as a regulated market for cannabis. Brainwashing or selective ‘logic’?

    If someone manages to post a comment on the site, please try coax him into a rational conversation with the guys at LEAP 🙂

  • mmm… the evidence of cartels in domestic US grows is there. The arrests of illegals primarily evidences this. The use of toxic chemical fertilizers and ‘cides is another. When there are grows involving tens of thousands of plants that ain’t your hippie next door kinda grow.

    And the fact of cartel involvement works to our advantage in the discussion. From my repeated readings on the large grows in the west the common stat quoted by LE is that up to 80% of CA’s illegal grows are cartel controlled.

    And of course they manipulate stats… we quote their numbers and it works for us until they say “oops, we meant to say…” and then their harpies (like Linda Taylor) get screech “liars!” even tho we’re quoting the gummint.

    In a battle of words such as this take their words and make them eat them. Like that quote about the cartels taking over regulated biznesses… DUMN!

  • Bruce

    Rumpelstiltskin woke up after a hundred years and was immediatly arrested by his helmet and armor cladded grandson, appearing to his glazed staring eyes and robotized brain, a terrorist. Freaky sad.

  • denmark

    “contains eleven chapters on Highway Drug Interdiction.”

    The title of the book is wrong then.
    What should it be titled? I don’t know.

    Wonder if Barry Cooper will get ahold of this book and rip it apart.
    Surely do hope so.

    Really enjoy reading what some of these ass backwards people think and write. Why? It just reaffirms my higher level of intelligence (and compassion) over these low life, dead in the head people.

    And the Prohibitionists assume all the marijuana Mexico is growing is coming to America.

  • darkcycle

    It’s the idoitic idea that crime is fungible. They actually think of the people they arrest as a “class” distict within society. In their operative reasoning, if Marijuana is legalized, the people using it or selling it will just move on to other criminal activity. It’s like they think we wake up one morning and say: “Gee, I’m outta pot to smoke…I guess I’ll try a little bank robbery, or maybe assault somebody.” There is no recognition that if a behavior is not criminalized, the people who engage in that activity are not criminals.
    I used to see this from my Dad all the time (he was a cop at one time, as was my Grandfather).

  • So tired of...

    Potheads will still be potheads and will still rob/steal/burglarize to support their habit. Why make it any easier.

    UUGGGHHH!!! What stupidity !! Blind leading the blind or a criminal atitude . Either way they are stupid.

  • DdC

    “Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.”
    Reichsmarschall Hermann Goering, Nazi Air Force (Luftwaffe) commander, the Nuremberg Trials

    The Fear of Sicko: CIGNA Whistleblower Wendell Potter Apologizes to Michael Moore for PR Smear Campaign; Moore Says Industry Was Afraid Film Would Cause A ‘Tipping Point’ for Healthcare Reform

    We host a joint interview with Academy Award-winning filmmaker Michael Moore and Wendell Potter, who was the head of corporate communications for the health insurance giant CIGNA when Moore’s film, Sicko, was released in 2007. Potter left the company in 2008 and has since become the industry’s most prominent whistleblower. In the interview, Potter apologizes for his role in the industry’s attack on Moore and the film.

    Moore accepted his apology, but acknowledged to Potter that, “I think we both know this is much larger then what was done to me or in the movie.” Moore said that the industry was willing to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to “stop a movie” because they were afraid it “could trigger a populist uprising against,” what he called, a “sick system that will allow companies to profit off of us when we fall ill.”

    “Medicines often produce side effects. Sometimes they are physically unpleasant. Cannabis too has discomforting side effects, but these are not physical they are political”
    The Economist March 28th 1992

    Anti-Drug Campaigns Dumb Down Vital Message

    From 1976-1985 it was known as Straight, Inc. and had a reputation for abusing kids as a drug rehabilitation program. In 1985 it changed its name to Straight Foundation, Inc. in order to protect its money and its principals from civil suits. In 1995 it was changed again to Drug Free America Foundation. DFAF is a national and international drug policy think tank and provider of services for drug free work places.

  • kant

    $10 says that Shaleen will get kicked off the forum and declared a pothead lying about being a cop.

  • DdC

    Journey for Justice Pedaling for Pot
    Slave Labor Means Big Bucks For U.S. Corporations

    The U.S. federal government spent over $19 billion dollars in 2003 on the War on Drugs, at a rate of about $600 per second. The budget has since been increased by over a billion dollars.
    Source: Office of National Drug Control Policy

    State and local governments spent at least another 30 billion.
    Source: National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse at Columbia University “Shoveling Up: The Impact of Substance Abuse on State Budgets,” January, 2001.

  • Duncan20903

    This Thanksgiving I’m going to make sure to thank my lucky ducks that the people on the other side of the tables are blistering idiots who heard that they were special from their mothers every day of the year and still do if mom’s still alive.

    Gosh I love the way they think everything will be the same except the law when the distribution chain is re-legalized. If things were different, they’d be exactly the same. What?

    How do they explain the lack of “drug related crime” before prohibition? Oh that’s right, they just say there were lots of problems reported by authorities, and addicts nodding out on every street corner.

    Well yes, there were problems reported. Those damn Negroes were just out of control. No wonder they made cocaine illegal! This was the New York Times reporting how out of control their Negroes had gotten:

    NEGRO COCAINE “FIENDS” ARE A NEW SOUTHERN MENACE; Murder and Insanity Increasing Among Lower Class Blacks Because They Have Taken to “Sniffing” Since Deprived of Whisky by Prohibition.

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9901E5D61F3BE633A2575BC0A9649C946596D6CF

    (Remember some states had alcohol prohibition before the 18th amendment passed.)

    Of course there were the white women getting tricked into having sex with Negroes and everyone else. Well except for Harry which is why he’s so pissy about it:

    “There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others.”

    http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/

  • Duncan20903

    Wow, what’s the thing about the rape kits? One of our major problems has been getting women to understand the problem…

    I know in LA there were 500 rape kits that got tossed because they were sitting around until the SOL expired. I wonder if any were kiddies that got diddled? Where would that fit into the what about the chilled wrens red herring?

    Hundreds of rapists walked free because they couldn’t do the test before the SOL ran out. I can’t even bring myself to tell you what the SOL for rape is in California because the entire thing is so despicable. We’re talking the people that let this happened deserve the level of hatred usually reserved for men like Adolf Hitler or John Walters. OMFG.

  • Duncan20903

    Hey, a special note to the potheads who were against the passage of Prop 19 for whatever harebrained reason led them to conclude that idiocy is the better way of life:

    With the failure of California’s Proposition 19 — an attempt to legalize the possession and production of marijuana in the state — we see that even in one of the most liberal of states the people have spoken and are not in favor of it.

    The above just as predicted when you Know Nothing potheads were told you were out of the ballpark wrong.
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    For some reason I think the growing on public land might stop if they stopped stealing the land of people who cultivate on private property. Maybe I’ve gone over the edge…why in the world would people worry about their land getting stolen? Silly me.

  • aye Duncan20903…

    For some reason I think the growing on public land might stop if they stopped stealing the land of people who cultivate on private property. Maybe I’ve gone over the edge…why in the world would people worry about their land getting stolen? Silly me.

    Whoa! Careful mate… too much common sense at one time can be fatal to one’s acceptance of the status quo…

    And really, since when is gardening a crime? Felony possession of tomatoes? (and I suppose if one was trying to market Genetically Modified patented tomatoes w/o corp approval…) I mean really… here’s a plant once so important to our nation’s founding that farmers were req’d to grow a crop of hemp, a medicine that is older than our ability to record the memory of our ancient use… I mean really… a plant that has no known ability to cause an overdose fatality, that eases lots of people’s aches and pains, that can make an evening concert sooo much better… can make a $15 pizza taste like a $50 pizza (is there such a thing?), is proclaimed by artists, musicians, doctors, lawyers (limited help there…), rednecks and rastas…

    Anyway, I’m thankful for Pete’s couch and the good minds and hearts with whom I on occasion get to share a sit and a smoke.

    A tip o’ the old man’s hat and a sincere “thank you all.”

  • Duncan20903

    driving under the influence of donuts

    nominated for the best screen name of 2010, Do I hear a second? Tick-tock.

    D is for Donuts! Not many things can make me laugh on thanksgiving eve. I’m glad you didn’t take your DARE classes seriously.

  • DdC

    Dr. Gabor Maté on ADHD, Bullying and the Destruction of American Childhood
    A spike in diagnoses of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder(ADHD) and other mental disorders has fueled an unprecedented reliance on pharmaceutical medications to treat children, with long-term effects that remain unknown. We speak with Canadian physician and best-selling author, Dr. Gabor Maté. He argues that these responses are treating surface symptoms as causes while ignoring deeper roots. Dr. Maté says children are in fact reacting to the broader collapse of the nurturing conditions needed for their healthy development. [includes rush transcript]

    “In the United States right now there are three million children receiving stimulant drugs for ADHD.” (Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder)
    ~ Dr. Gabor Maté

    Marijuana and ADD/ADHD thread
    Therapeutic uses of Medical Marijuana in the treatment of ADD

  • Duncan20903

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    It sounds like the restrictions on the site are set up such that all posters and commenters are somehow involved in law enforcement. Scary.

    These clowns get confused if they’re faced with opposing POV’s. I am not aware of a cop site except LEAP that let’s the public comment. Frankly I’m shocked that they even let us read their posts. Scary yes, but significantly less so with the arrival of of Detective Woolridge, wouldn’t you agree? I also was very gratified that they spit on the ground when they realized a guy from LEAP had shown up. That means they know about the organization, and that’s way cool. It means that LEAP is getting its message out. That’s a good thing.

    I must remember LEAP tomorrow when I talk to my lucky ducks. They’re another thing for which I am most I certainly grateful. One of the most annoying Know Nothingisms for years and years, heck decades really, has been “Ask any cop, he’ll tell you, drugs are bad and need to be illegal, mmm-kay” and that was the end of the conversation regardless of what followed. The cops in their fantasy said it, they believe it, next! Now all I do is to post up a link to the LEAP site and say here’s more than 10,000 cops that say you’re wrong. It still doesn’t mean much but at least now I have a direct answer to their assertion, not just philosophical wax. Oh well shit, nothing says thank you like $25. They talked me into it with the groovy little lapel pin that they offered for the purpose of twisting my arm.
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    Hey what happened to the 9th District? They have seem to have pendulated to the extreme right suddenly and unexpectedly. If we search their chambers will we find pods? If we strip them nekkid will we find Borg implants? If we shave their heads will we find the scars from brain transplants? Have they been replaced with clones? Is there a test for that? I think quick grow clones have no belly button but would need to study it further to know for sure. DNA testing sure won’t help. Come on, enquiring minds want to know. WTF is going on at the 9th?

  • B.S.

    “driving under the influence of donuts…”

    “D is for Donuts!”

    Now that is something that would make Mitch Hedberg smile.

    “I bought a donut and they gave me a receipt for the donut. I don’t need a receipt for a donut, I just give you the money – you give me the donut. End of Transaction, We don’;t need to bring ink and paper into this.

    Don’t even act like I didn’t buy that donut, I got the documentation right here.

    Oh wait, It’s back home – in the file, under ‘D’, for Donut.
    We all know what ‘D’ is…”

    Apparently, We don’t ALLknow what ‘D’ is.”
    8^)

  • Duncan20903

    Currently, I would be surprised if the cartels weren’t doing everything they could to get a chunk of the medical market in Cali.

    Well the first thing they are going to have to do is to learn how to produce medical grade instead of as close to garbage as you can get without actually finding yourself in the landfill. These geniuses have even managed to fuck up the product that they produce in Northern Cali and made the word ‘outdoor’ a denigration.

    The thing that really kills me is that in the 70s the Alcupulco Gold and Oaxacon was some of the best. Stuff that makes me scoff at the retarded belief that today’s is better by some idiotically large factor of magnitude. Now it isn’t even good for getting your ducks high. Shit, the ‘Outdoor’ price in Cali actually fell to 0 after last years harvest because nobody wanted their shit. No, they weren’t actually giving it away but it’s conceivable that they tried and couldn’t find any takers. (you’re right, that last assertion is ludicrous on it’s face. There’s always room for medibles.)

    Can’t…grow…good…pot…in…Northern Cali… Man, that’s just positively surreal. That’s straight out of the truth is stranger than fiction file. You need to have the reverse Midas touch to accomplish that. Since they’re Mexicans let’s call it “el toque de Mierda.”

    OK Matthew, at first I thought that you knew nothing of the view from the inside then you used the phrase mom & pop and confused me. Are you actually involved even only marginally?

    If you don’t have a view from the inside I’d be glad to share my reality with you. But I’ve found that those who know nothing of my world are sure that they are experts, and usually end up dismissing me as a pothead that ‘wants to get high’ when they hear me tell them they have a totally perverted understanding of my world. If you would just end up dismissing me there’s no point in wasting my time or yours or that of anyone that may end up reading our posts. I’ve got no problem getting high, and won’t no matter what we discuss so that argument is absurd on its face. I’ve got no fear of getting busted, I’ll just pay the $100 and move on with my life. Yeah the lawyers fee will be a bite but it would just get me more pissed off and I’m already a very angry old man. Not a chance in Hades that it will make me back off. Indeed, I am on “the side of the angels.”

    There’s lots and lots and lots of cannabis, plenty for everyone that wants some and readily available on demand. We’ve had glut harvests for the last two years for the entire continent, and we’ve got cannabis coming out of our ears. CAMP has set “all time” eradication records two years running and there’s still cannabis coming out of our ears.

    Ironically, CAMP is actually doing a fairly good public service, because what they get for the most part is cartel weed. The same cartels that figured out how to grow garbage disguised as cannabis in NorCal. The world is a better place with as much of that crap eradicated as possible.

    You should know that the growers in NorCal are fairly well ensconced, have a well established wholesale distribution chain, produce a true quality controlled medical grade product, and really are anything but nice guys if you dig just under the surface. They may look and act like hippies but that’s just a contrived public image. Underneath the facade they’re a for real organized crime syndicate with a couple of decades of history. The Tye Dye Mob is in control. If the Mexicans want it they better com strapped. I do mean they’d better be very well strapped. Why is it that el Norteños haven’t just taken it away? Why haven’t they even tried? Are el Norteños pussies?

    “Wishing for a thing does not make it so.”

    – – – Captain Jean Luc Picard

    The Mexicans can wish all they want. Shit, I’d like to own the California market, but that’s not going to happen either and I already know how to grow medical grade cannabis.
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    Whoa! Careful mate… too much common sense at one time can be fatal to one’s acceptance of the status quo…

    Party on old man.

  • Duncan20903

    @B.S., of course I was trying to avoid people confusing Donut Abuse Resistance Education that the Dunkin’ Donuts guys dole out at the Police Academies of America with the other more well known DARE which is a frequent topic of conversation here. People rarely talk about the Police Academy DARE as they try to keep that one quiet.

    God I hate mentioning Dunkin’ Donuts. Dunkin’ is a slurring of the word dunking for the love of turkey and stuffing.

    Please don’t dunk Duncan.
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    Kant, we could just annex Mexico but we’d have to re-star the flag and going from 50 to 82 states would require a lot of people to buy new flags. Going from 48 to 50 you can get away with flying the old flag for a few more years but no way would anyone confuse a 50 star flag with an 82 star flag. This would incur a serious cost to the US Treasury because the government owns a lot of flags, and every one of them would need to be replaced.

    But it would also cure a significantly large part of our problem with document deficient residents and save us the cost of a fence. But it sure wouldn’t get rid of the Mexican Americans just make them no longer need to be documented. It would also annoy all those people who have dug those hundreds of tunnels under the current border.
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    I disagree DC, I see the size of the grows as compelling evidence that people with a foreign perspective have put those huge farms in, not to mention the quality or lack thereof. I read of one in Kentucky that was in the same town that I was in when I lived in Radcliff. I know where the grow was located and may actually have been aware of some grows in that location. The grows that I may or may not have known about in those locations were tiny, never more than 5 together. It was a good spot. Perhaps for a couple of hundred at the most. It was only a few miles from the perimeter of Fort Knox, and those guys at Fort Knox do some serious training very nearby. BRAC moved soldiers in, not out so theres a lot more than when I was there. They were all over those woods. Living in that town is like living in a war zone, they make a lot of very loud explosions with their ordnance. Don’t schedule an afternoon nap for 4 or 5 PM local time. There were 3500 to 4000 plants in that grow. No way a local put that in, no way. There’s no doubt that the locals average IQ was not exactly the stuff of legends, but even they weren’t stupid enough to try that.

    I actually swam at Fort Knox’s indoor pool regularly as it was open to the public for some reason. They wouldn’t sell me gas at their gas station or booze at their liquor store with the much cheaper tax free booze but I could swim in their pool. Go figure that one out, I never could. I’ve always wondered if that’s the only indoor pool in the world that closes when there are thunderstorms. I’ve never before or since seen a fat lifeguard. Not at any other pool or on any beach or even at a lifeguard convention have I ever seen one.

    Living in the vicinity of Fort Knox was an experience. I never did get over that feeling of awe every time I drove by it. Yes I knew there was nothing but IOUs in the vault by the time I arrived in ’04 but still, it was the place where they kept all of the money when I was growing up.

    I wouldn’t discount the presence of both local and cartel growers though. But why not put in 20k plants on the off chance that you might strike it rich? Because it’s a lot of fucking goddamn work that’s why. You know when I was growing up and a young adult from time to time I’d wonder why murderers seemed to always dispose of the mortal remains of their victim in a shallow grave. Weren’t the risks of retribution from authority figures in a murder large enough to take the extra time and put the cadaver 6 feet under? I’ve never murdered anyone but I can say from experience that digging holes in the woods is a pain in the ass and I now have the inside skinny about why murder victims are laid to rest in shallow graves.

    Are you aware that most of the larger grows in Cali actually have irrigation systems installed? Do you live on the East Coast? People on the East Coast have no clue about how the endless water supply that they enjoy just doesn’t exist on the west coast. People still get murdered in the southwest because of disagreements over riparian rights. You heard me right, drinking water can cause people to commit murder. Its one of the larger offenses that the black market affiliated outdoor growers commit because they steal people’s water. That pisses people off because they have less water than they need on that side of the country.

    Have you considered how the risk of being caught while tending such a large grow is increased by an exponential factor of magnitude over a smaller grow? There really is a lot more to it than tossing some seeds over your back in the spring and coming back and harvesting 10 pound plants in the fall. We’re talking labor intensive physical labor that takes a serious amount of man hours.

    I admit this is mostly speculation but it’s educated speculation based on decades of experience. The people that are putting in these grows are used to a totally different system IMPO. Specifically a system just like the one that you would find in Mexico where they’ve got lots of wayback wilderness, very little in the way of CAMP style “eradication” teams or the money to pay them, and authorities that are easier to bribe.

    I could be wrong about this but color me skeptical. Let’s look in about 3 years and see if we keep on hearing about these huge busts because if I’m right, we won’t. If you are correct we will.
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    think the real shame is that after 19 years this guy is unable to see the difference between the huge amount of crime caused by drugs being ‘illegal’ and by the actual drugs themselves.

    Of course he knows the difference. But wants his 20 hours overtime on his paycheck every week, and he wants it easy and safe. It’s not him that can’t tell the difference, it’s the Know Nothings that have the misperception and he wants to keep it that way. They’re paycheck insurance to a man like that. I believe this is called a conspiracy of interests because there’s no need for the players to plan to act in concert. They’re just all acting in their self perceived better interests, and that’s human nature.

  • Duncan20903

    $10 says that Shaleen will get kicked off the forum and declared a pothead lying about being a cop.

    Now that’s a dictionary picture example of a sucker bet. Make sure to get someone neutral and trustworthy to hold the bet, the authorities might realize the guy taking the other side is brain dead and bury him. Give me a call if the guy actually has more than $10 in cash in hand and wants to increase the wager. I have an affinity for easy money and would love a piece of that action.

  • DdC

    That means they know about the organization, and that’s way cool.

    Censorship is suppression of speech or other communication which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or inconvenient to the general body of people as determined by a government, media outlet, or other controlling body.

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    THE AFTERMATH OF THE FIRST THANKSGIVING

    This is the time of the year when we are inundated with propaganda about the U.S. holiday, Thanksgiving. Recently, the History Channel showed its rendition. The same old story: weary Pilgrims were taught how to plant crops in the new land of America by some savvy Native Americans. Then, to thank the Indians and God, the Pilgrims held a celebration in Plymouth, Massachusetts. Everybody had a great time. This was brotherhood among human beings at its best. Then, the documentary went forward in time to the 18th century. What happened between 1621 and 1675 was completely ignored. Most U.S. history books rarely mention the fate of the Indians who helped the Pilgrims survive. continued…

    Its not becoming incorporated thats the problem,
    Corporatism is. Not Capitalism, but Fascism thats wrong.

    LA and Orange Counties Ban Medical Marijuana Shops

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