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Marc Emery Open Thread

bullet image Prince of Pot’s Sentence Reeks of Injustice and Mocks Our Sovereignty, Ian Mulgrew, Vancouver Sun

Emery’s Jail Term Longer Than for Some Violent Crimes […]

It is a legal tragedy that in my opinion marks the capitulation of our sovereignty and underscores the hypocrisy around cannabis. […]

He is being handed over to a foreign government for an activity we are loath to prosecute because we don’t think selling seeds is a major problem. […]

“There isn’t a single victim in my case, no one who can stand up and say, ‘I was hurt by Marc Emery.’ No one.”

He’s right again.

Emery is facing more jail time than corporate criminals who defraud widows and orphans and longer incarceration than violent offenders who leave their victims dead or in wheelchairs.

Whatever else you may think of him — and I know he rankles many — what is happening to him today mocks our independence and our ideal of justice.

bullet image ‘King of Pot’s’ Punishment Was No Surprise, Editorial, Nanaimo Daily News

Nobody should shed any tears for Canada’s self-proclaimed “Prince of Pot.” […]

His misguided supporters consider him a martyr for the cause of marijuana decriminalization. He is nothing of the sort. Emery is a calculating businessman who flouted the law.

His punishment should be a surprise to no one.

bullet image U.S. DEA Finally Gets Its Man by Paul Armentano

Just over four years ago, former U.S. DEA administrator Karen Tandy announced to the world that her agency had struck “a significant blow … to the marijuana legalization movement” by indicting Canada’s so-called ‘Prince of Pot,’ Marc Emery. […]

But lets not kid ourselves. Marc Emery was hardly a high level target because he sold marijuana seeds to the U.S. — a simple google search will yield dozens of listings of competitors that presently engage in similar activities. No, it wasn’t so much what Marc did […] as it was what he did with his money that aroused the ire of U.S. anti-drug officials.

And we have Karen Tandy’s own words to prove it.

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19 comments to Marc Emery Open Thread

  • Osborne Perry Anderson

    Persecution, Unpropotional Punishment, and Deep Denial are the cornerstones of Injustice. Can only hope the reformer Eric Sterling is right… some day there may be war crimes prosecutions against civil rights violators. Just add the puppet Karen Tandy to the long list of punishers to hold accountable when the time comes.

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  • Nick

    If people don’t know by now, it’s not what you do, but who you piss off that really matters.
    This nation will overgrow the stupidity that’s behind the drug war.
    Thanks for the post Pete.

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  • Osborne Perry Anderson

    Oops should have said disproportionate instead of unproportionate. Sorry, this happens when you speed post all day. I took speed reading 3 decades ago in h.s. but speed writing hadn’t been invented yet! @Nick:) You are right.. and they really hate you if change the narrative and dare to disagree… the nerve of some patrons?

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  • ezrydn

    Plus, if you don’t want to support Karen, don’t buy anything Motorola, her new employer now.

    It feels like a sad day to be an American. It’s not only what we do to our enemies but what we do to our friends, also.

    I doubt prison will effect any change in Marc’s position. Also, I would think he’d eiter come out to a welcomed change in society or be ready to move the change on to fruition. More wasted US taxpayer dollars. Over what the Canadian government took taxes and fees for for several years, knowing the business he was in. “We can’t take his money AND prosecute him!” I don’t see why not. The US does it every day.

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  • …DEA administrator Karen Tandy announced to the world that her agency had struck “a significant blow … to the marijuana legalization movement” by indicting Canada’s so-called ‘Prince of Pot,’ Marc Emery.

    A significant blow to free speech, free exchange of thought and debate, and the marketplace of ideas. They are actually admitting that they are targeting people due to their speech and the ideas they advocate.

    I should be able to argue that rape should be legal, as long as I don’t rape anyone. Can we not legally discuss whether the anti-rape laws should be abolished? It wasn’t too long ago that a husband could legally rape his wife (can’t commit a crime against your own property or yourself, as the husband and wife were considered one individual legal entity).

    The bright side is America won’t be around too much longer (ironically, in large part due to the expense and corruption necessary to continue the ‘war on drugs’). Within 2-3 years, America will have collapsed and the world will be free from American tyranny. Within a week of America’s collapse, Mexico and a few dozen other nations will decriminalize all drugs.

    America used to be the beacon of freedom unto the world. Now America represents oppression and denial of freedom …. which is marketed as freedom, of course. But other than the knuckle-dragging retards who watch Fox News all day long, people no longer buy into the “America represents freedom and liberty” propaganda anymore since the contradictions are just too blatant. America always looked good when compared to the Soviet Union, but now that the evil USSR is gone, people can America for what it truly is – and what is has become in recent years.

    At this point, I sadly but eagerly await the day in the very near future when America’s federal government collapses, leaving the 50 states (well, the ones that are not already bankrupt). As soon as China gets a clue and stops wasting its money buying America’s worthless debt, this 200+ year experiment in illusory democracy will be officially over, labeled an undeniable failure in all history books written from that point on.

    Many post-America history books will note that one of the leading causes of the failure and collapse of the American Empire was its irrational quest to ban drugs not only from within its own borders, but from the entire planet. America bankrupted itself while inflating its fiat currency to hyerworthlessness and locking up more people than any other country in the history of planet earth… all to stop people from touching specified leaves and powders. Assuming people still exist 200 years from now, they will look back on the collapse of the American Empire and try to figure out why we destroyed the nation – along with tens of millions of lives – all in the name of a “war on drugs.” The best answers they’ll be able to derive are children-based fearmongering, Anslingering perjury, racism, the prison-industrial complex, and gross stupidity. Those are really pathetic reasons to destroy what was once a great country. But that’s the way it is, and it’s not going to change.

    I take the position that we should do whatever we can to hasten the fall of America… so support the Republicans. No healthcare reform. No financial industry reform. Huge tax cuts. Increase defense spending. Things will get worse before they get better, but that’s true regardless of how it happens.

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  • paul

    Canada needs to grow a backbone and learn to tell the U.S. “No.”

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  • DdC

    KEEP MARCHING,POT CRUSADER SAYS

    “It isn’t the Rebels that cause the troubles of the world,
    it’s the troubles that cause the Rebels…

    The Citizen’s Guide to Surviving Police Encounters
    BUSTED: U2b

    Ganja gives rise to insanity
    not in its users but in the policies directed against it.
    A nation that sentences the possessor of a single joint
    to life imprisonment without parole
    but sets a murderer free after perhaps six years
    is in the grips of a deep psychosis.”

    ~ Eric Schlosser – Author

    US Arrests drugwarfacts/Chart 80 – 08

    Between 1969 and 1977, government appointed commissions in Canada, England, Australia, and the Netherlands issued reports that agreed with the Shafer Commission’s conclusions. All found that marijuana’s dangers had been greatly exaggerated. All urged lawmakers to drastically reduce penalties for marijuana possession, or eliminate them altogether.

    The Case of Marijuana Possession and Policing
    Sociology 101, Introduction to Sociology @QC
    Readings for Fall 2009, Professor Levine

    “There is a point at which the law becomes immoral and unethical. That point is reached when it becomes a cloak for the cowardice that dares not stand up against blatant violations of justice. A state that supresses all freedom of speech, and which by imposing the most terrible punishments, treats each and every attempt at criticism, however morally justified, and every suggestion for improvement as plotting to high treason, is a state that breaks an unwritten law.”
    – Kurt Huber,
    The head of White Rose,
    killed by the Nazis in 1943

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  • kaptinemo

    What we are seeing is a test case. A test case to see if Canadians will put up with incremental dissolution of their sovereignty. Which is just what Mr. Harper and his SPP (a.k.a The North American Union) cronies in Parliament want to accomplish.

    And Mr. Emery is a perfect for this because he is both a thorn in the side of the US political system (can’t have the Great Unwashed getting libertarian ideas about personal sovereignty as Mr. Emery so loudly championed with his work; they might want that here in the ‘La-and of the Free-ee!”, no, we can’t have that!) and is eminently expendable from the Canadian power structure’s viewpoint (those same libertarian ideals, again).

    As with everything, there are vastly more dimensions to this than what appear on the surface. By extraditing Mr. Emery, the Canadian power structure has signaled its’ willingness to completely subordinate itself to American interests. The already tattered and threadbare pretenses of Canadian sovereignty are no longer needed. Neither does Canada need its’ provinces, anymore; it already has become a giant one of the American Empire.

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  • kaptinemo

    And should anyone think I am daft for even mentioning this, I would like to call attention to the adoption of American policing techniques (including hair-trigger usage of tasers, with the now-familiar death of those ‘tased’) by Canadian police, up to and including the operation of American police on Canadian soil, training Canadian police to engage Canadian motorists in typical intimidating American LE fashion, to include unlawful searches.

    If you are curious, I offer “Future of North America: Vancouver 2010, Coronation of the North American “Community” , an article that goes into this in more detail. I fervently hope that both Americans and our Canadian neighbors will think very carefully about the contents of that article.

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  • ezrydn

    While it may be a bit premature, the Mexican Decrim came and went and nothing really noticable happened. I checked and there are no cracks around the edge of the sky, it’s still up there. The graves in the cemetaries seem untouched, none have risen. There hasn’t been a rampant wave of violence over it. Nada. Zip.

    What I HAVE seen is guys on bicycles, smoking joints or sitting, waiting for a bus, burning one while they wait. It’s all out in the open and I’ve seen NO LE actions in regard to it.

    While Mexico may be considered a “failed state” by some, it’s also the most progressive on the NA continent! I congratulate Pres. Calderon and the Congresso for a bill that shows signs of working right. It’s not perfect but it’s much better than “yesterday.”

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  • kaptinemo

    EZ, I think of it as evolutionary pressure overriding idiotic dogma. Or, to put it simply, a culture has the ethics it can afford.

    A culture that can’t afford social engineering because the vast police state it requires is too expensive for it to maintain will always be forced to ‘drop back and punt’ to something more sustainable. That’s what happened with alcohol Prohibition in the Great Depression and I believe that is what will happen in the Greater Depression we may be sliding inexorably into.

    in any event, just as predicted 10 years ago, The (not so) Great American DrugWar is getting too expensive, and we are now hearing this in the MSM. It’s taken 10 years and who-knows-how many billions of dollars wasted and innocent lives destroyed during this time. But the realization is finally seeping into the public consciousness from the blogopshere. IMHO, It’s a race to see what happens first: cannabis legalization before financial collapse…or after it.

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  • DdC: do you ever have any thoughts of your own, or can you do nothing more than string together lists of quotes said by other people? Every post you ever make here is a list of half a dozen or so quotes with links to the source of the quote. Citing sources is great and all, but citation is a means to an end, not substantive discourse.

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  • R.O.E.

    EZRYDN: These days, it seems, everyday is a sad day in America.

    Only because corruption is running ranmant. Just as bad as Mexico.

    CORRUPTION: A disease that spares no one.

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  • DdC

    “All propaganda must be so popular and on such an intellectual level, that even the most stupid of those towards whom it is directed will understand it. Therefore, the intellectual level of the propaganda must be lower the larger the number of people who are to be influenced by it.”

    Just Say No… Yabetcha!

    Same ole Teabogs Different Day
    Burning books for Hitler, Beatle albums, Dixie Chick CD’s, Brooks Bros vote recounts, Swiftboat or Robertsons Fortune 700 Club

    “We should resist the temptation to identify
    our religious convictions with the platform of a party
    or the platitudes of favored politicians. I want to be invisible.
    I do guerrilla warfare. I paint my face and travel at night.
    You don’t know it’s over until you’re in a body bag.””

    –Ralph Reed, 1996

    Right Wingers Marching in DC Is Big News
    But the Same Old Faces Are Pulling the Strings
    By Adele M. Stan, AlterNet
    The men behind the religious right make a comeback with the Tea Party

    DdC: do you ever bla bla bla of your own

    Obviously none you can put together into actual comprehension brucem. All the links show how Marc was politically removed by the same fascist methods and the same fascist cockeaters as before. Over your head? So why do you continue to ask irrelevant diversions and just say what the fuck it is you don’t understand… and I’ll either try to assist or tell you to bite me. Its absolutly none of your business how I choose to construct my posts and very ignorant even suggesting any type of censorship or style you deem fit. Who are you, Mr Internet? Seems I can watch Fox and get your thoughts, parrots don’t impress me. If you ever do get an original anything, be sure to pass it on yabetcha. Now I have to say Pete, this guy sounds pretty hostile to me. Better pat him down for weapons and badges. Loose tea residue in his pockets.

    Don’t ever tell anyone what to do sonny. It tain’t polite. I don’t tell you to stop mimicking glum bluck and oreally, i just show you they are monkey’s hurling feces. Out screeching the timid meek citizens in need of health care but stepping on the $100,000.00 an hour salaries of the AIGing fascists. Those citizens not bowing down to the moneyslut’s and rented teabogs are the ones put in cages for homegrown remedies. You somehow believe the same drug war brokers are going to see the light because you may have? They already know the score, thats why the Ganjawar exists and perpetuates and it ain’t supposed to end. again you seem to not understand the same things, why don’t you write it down. And the thousands of paragraphs I’ve written on this forum alone, the ones you seem to either lie about not being here or are just to dumb to find. Tough one.

    Porn, Glenn Beck and Nudie Pics: Is Our Mass Culture Turning Kids Into Sex Crazed, Right-Wing Automotons?

    Yup teabogs burning books for Hitler or Beatle albums, lynchings or recently Dixie Chicks, swiftboat, vote rigging, drug warring GOPerverted scumsuckers if ya ask me. Brooks Bros wall pound offs for Tom pesticide abortionist Delay and the Dick Armey. Major drug war brokers, not much poison used on wild ditchweed that could be grown by family farmers. Teabog Ditti’s against affordable health care and 95% hypocritically all for Obama tax refunds, tax paid cops, soldiers and narkosluts. Yipin it up affirmative for the bail outs for International Banksters, also brokering the drug war and keeping competition off the shelves. The Fortune 700 Club and the Neoconjobs. Thanks bud, only why do you hate Americans? Next…

    Feel the Hate: 912 Sign-Makers Target Obama

    “Through clever and constant application of (propaganda )glum bluck,
    people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise.”

    ~ Benito Mussolini,
    London Sunday Express, December 8, 1935

    I see in the near future a crisis approaching
    Henry Ford originally made his cars to run on ethanol, so farmers could create their own fuel. (He saw farmers really as his customers originally, since nearly all of us were farmers. Along comes John D. Rockefeller, who wants people to use oil. He provides money to the anti-alcohol movement in order to make Prohibition a reality, and stop the ethanol fuel industry and promote the use of fossil fuels.

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  • DdC

    DESCRIMinalization: Decrim Myths, Decrim Facts
    By David Malmo-Levine, Cannabis Culture – September 30 2009

    “Several people, spearheaded by Hunter Thompson, attacked the current strategy of decriminalized pot as “another trick.”
    – High Times, March 1977

    Another trick

    Marijuana decriminalization is a wolf in sheep’s clothing – a prohibitionist Trojan Horse – a horrible drug policy wrapped in a nice-sounding name. continued…

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  • DdC, I’m not telling you how to write your posts, let alone trying to “censor” you. I’m just saying the people here are having intelligent discourse about a serious topic, and in every thread there’s a few posts by you contributing nothing but cut-and-pasted quotes.

    I don’t think you’re dumb. I think we all share the same philosophy with respect to the fascism of drug prohibition. I just think you’re horrendously lazy. It’s far easier to cut and paste things that other people have said than to formulate your own ideas. Even worse, you seem to think that your cutting and pasting gives your posts an aura of infallibility since you are providing cites rather than just talking out of your ass. Of course that presents a false choice. One can write their own thoughts and provide cites to data where required. But what you do is just laziness. If you lost the ability to cut and paste, you’d be totally silenced.

    But by all means, keep on cutting and pasting. If so much as one person is impressed by your litanies of randomly selected quotes, quips, and quibbles, more power to you. But I’d be much more interested in hearing what YOU have to say, and not what you can cut and paste. Anyone can do that. It’s pure laziness.

    Everyone who is passionate about an issue has a big list of relevant quotes in a text file kept on their computer. Every pro-lifer has a big list of anti-abortion quotes, every pro-choicer has a big list of pro-choice quotes. Everyone against taxes has a big list of anti-tax quotes. It’s one thing to use one or two of those quotes when doing so is highly relevant to a particular topic. But to do nothing but cut and paste a dozen or so quotes from your “big list o’ quotes” and call that substantive discourse is the pinnacle of laziness.

    Imagine what grade a teacher would give to a student who turned in a book report that consisted of nothing more than a big list of cut-and-pasted quotes. Yeah, okay, nowadays with the way our educational system is the kid would probably get a solid B, and half the class wouldn’t have even bothered to turn in anything. But when I went to school, a student who turned in a list of quotes would have received a big fat “F” along with a note to his/her parents.

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  • DdC

    “They say you can’t legislate morality.
    Well, you certainly can.”

    ~ John Ashcroft,
    Chicago Tribune May 25, 1998

    Prison Vigil for ‘The Prince of Pot’ TOMORROW
    A vigil for marijuana activist Marc Emery will be held this Saturday, October 3, from 2-4pm at North Fraser Pretrial Centre, and continue starting Monday, from 12-6pm every day until he is freed.

    “The very word “secrecy” is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers, which are cited to justify it.”
    ~ President John F. Kennedy
    Address to newspaper publishers April 27, 1961

    NDP to Conservative Government: Don’t Extradite Marc Emery
    NDP Leader Jack Layton and his party are calling on the Conservative government to stop the extradition of activist Marc Emery.

    “To say that the [Bush-Cheney] secret presidency is undemocratic is an understatement. I’m anything but skittish about government, but I must say this administration is truly scary and, given the times we live in, frighteningly dangerous.”
    – former Nixon White House counsel JOHN DEAN

    Drug War Criminal: Karen Tandy Ed Rosenthal

    “Not only are we here to protect the public from vicious criminals in the street
    but also to protect the public from harmful ideas.”

    – Robert Ingersoll, first director of the DEA

    Canada’s Supremes Cower Under DEAth Threats 12/24/03
    Canada’s Supreme Court has proven that our society is a prison, and that we are but prisoners, whose inalienable rights may be suppressed by political whimsy and ridiculous twists of reasoning more suitable to a genie granting wishes than judges appointed to uphold humane standards.

    Marc Emery thread

    “You know, it’s a funny thing,
    every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana
    is Jewish. What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob?”

    ~ R.M.Nixon

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  • […] Marc is one of the figureheads of the cannabis legalization movement and his treatment by U.S and Canandian prosecutors who circumvented normal procedure to extradite him from Canada is both contradictory and illegal in our eyes.  Further information can be found at drugwarrant.com […]

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