Another Open Thread

Our trip has continued, taking us beyond Acadia National Park up to Mount Katahdin in Maine, and then into New Brunswick. Saint John and the Bay of Fundy, staying in a refurbished caboose at the Train Station Inn in Tatamagouche, Nova Scotia, and then to the Cape Breton Highlands National Park on Cape Breton Island. In a couple days, we’ll head to Prince Edward Island and then on to Quebec City.

With limited WiFi and avoiding international data charges, I’ve been fairly blissfully unaware of what’s going on in the world.

Keep each other informed here. I’ll be back eventually.

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137 Responses to Another Open Thread

  1. darkcycle says:

    That’s one impressive itinerary. Enjoy the trip, don’t forget to come home.

  2. Frank W. says:

    Eventually?? But I’m mad NOW!
    ( enjoy your trip)

  3. Servetus says:

    “Hearing loss, brittle bones, sagging skin, a deteriorating mind”? If you suffer these symptoms, you may be aging. White willow bark comes to the rescue:

    7-SEP-2016 — In the study, Titorenko and his co-authors confirmed that one extract is particularly effective: Salix alba, more commonly known as white willow bark, is the most potent aging-delaying pharmacological intervention yet described.[…]

    …the pace of aging is defined by a distinct set of chemical reactions arranged into several cascades. These cascades, which scientists call “signalling pathways,” regulate the rate of aging in a wide range of organisms.[…]

    “It’s known that some of these signalling pathways delay aging if activated in response to certain nutrients or hormones,” he says. “These pathways are called ‘anti-aging’ or ‘pro-longevity’ pathways. Other signalling pathways speed up aging if activated in response to certain other nutrients or hormones. These pathways are called ‘pro-aging’ or ‘pro-death’ pathways.”[…]

    “This study is an important step forward for science because these signaling pathways could eventually delay the onset and progression of chronic diseases associated with human aging,” says Simard, who has recently published a new book on the topic.

    “These diseases include arthritis, diabetes, heart disease, kidney disease, liver dysfunction, stroke, neurodegenerative diseases like Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s and Huntington’s diseases, and many forms of cancer.”

    AAAS Public Release: Six new groups of molecules could be the key to delaying aging: Montreal researchers clear a major hurdle in the fight for longevity

    The Canadian researchers were able to conduct their study because white willow bark is legal for human consumption. Had there existed a chemical in the bark that gets people high, applying the existing illogic and myopia of marijuana prohibition, all chemicals within the herb would have been suspected of evil and prohibited. No research looking for any benefits of any compound would have been allowed by the NIDA.

    White willow bark also contains a natural pain suppressant called salicin. Salicin is a precursor chemical that can be used to manufacture aspirin.

    • DdC says:

      Stress is the base of all diseases, including aging,
      Cannabis relieves stress.

      Oh but lets divert research from cannabis and discover Willow bark? Again? Like they did with Aspirin? With or without heroin? Now look at all the problems caused by aspirin decades after they made their billions. More researches funded by corporate or drug worrier con artists? I smell another attempt here. Thousands die each year from aspirin. Sounds more like Monsanto searching for a way to create GMO’s for people.

      Aging? Got Ganja?
      Ganja May Live Up To Be The Elixir of Life
      The study’s results appearing in the ‘Journal of Clinical Investigation’ have actually given a fillip to the traditional and mythological view that associates the addictive weed in some ways with immortality.

      Cannabis and Longevity
      In 1939 Joges Candra Ray, an Indian researcher who wrote a paper identifying the ancient Vedic Soma as cannabis, pointed too ancient references regarding longevity from Soma’s ingestion. and other researchers have commented on this and a connection to cannabis as well:

    • DdC says:

      Power concedes nothing without a demand.
      It never did and it never will.
      Frederick Douglass

      If you suffer these symptoms, you may be aging.
      Cannabis comes to the rescue:

      Hearing Loss

      Cannabis Treats Meniere’s Disease
      People suffering from intense vertigo and nausea due to an inner ear problem a condition of unknown cause and limited susceptibility to conventional medical treatment called Ménière’s disease find significant improvement from cannabis, according to California doctors.

      Brittle Bones

      Weed: Good for the Bones?

      Sagging Skin

      Benefits of Hemp Seed Oil

      Anti-Aging, Problem Skin, Hair, Acne, Combination Skin, Dry or Brittle Hair, Dry Skin, Dull Hair, Eczema, Rosacea, Sensitive Skin, Thinning Hair & Shedding, Wrinkles

      A Deteriorating Mind

      Using Pot To Save Brains!

  4. jean valjean says:

    From the Facebook page of an Ohio police department:

    “We are well aware that some may be offended by these images and for that we are truly sorry, but it is time that the non-drug using public sees what we are now dealing with on a daily basis,” the East Liverpool Facebook page reads. “The poison known as heroin has taken a strong grip on many communities not just ours; the difference is we are willing to fight this problem until it’s gone and if that means we offend a few people along the way we are prepared to deal with that.”
    No mention of course that this situation and thousands more like it are the direct result of prohibition and the absence of safe injecting sites. What do they expect with a totally unregulated drug market run by criminal? The self-interested policies of law enforcement are at the root of scenes like this. When are these hypocrites going to get called out by journalists who actually report the news?

  5. Pete'sDoneAnotherRunner says:

    Insys manufactures fentany, it’s 100% of the company’s earnings. They are facing state and federal investigations, and a shareholder lawsuit, for improperly marketed to doctors.

    Here’s today’s WP:

    The campaign against marijuana legalization in Arizona received a major infusion of cash last week from a synthetic cannabis drugmaker that has been investigated for alleged improper marketing of a highly addictive prescription painkiller, according to campaign finance reports.

    • NorCalNative says:

      They do have a new product called Syndros, a liquid form of THC (Dronabinol). THC in liquid tincture instead of capsules, dispensed sublingually (like Sativex).

      The CO2 supercritical HASH OIL extracts (similar to, Sativex and Epidiolex) found in MMJ state dispensaries are a direct threat to both Insys’s opiate business AND their new FDA-approved entry into THC-land.

      So, how is Syndros different that the THC single-molecule (Dronabinol) it replaces in capsule form? Oral dosages take an hour or so to take effect. The tincture spray under-the-tongue can start working in 20 minutes. An improvement over a Big Pharma crap-toy? Sure, by 40 minutes.

      Insys is worried about more than their opiate bizz with their entry into the THC therapy field.

  6. NorCalNative says:

    My dad was hospitalized for pneumonia recently. He thought he would be able to use his cannabis extract oil while an inpatient at Kaiser Hospital.

    Kaiser took it away and locked it in their pharmacy safe. They taped the box it came in shut, and placed their own label and bar code on it. He did get it back on being discharged.

    Dad’s home and doing better and he told me that at one point there were 20-to-30 Kaiser staff looking at his bottle of Sativex-like cannabis tincture at the nurse’s station.

    (Note to couch) You eddyfried dudes with actual degrees and shit, don’t get yor panties in a bunch if this hippie brags about his work at the University of PubMed and The Medical Cannabis Institute. Those CME unit certificates I showed my dad’s doctor changed everything.

    I’m used to getting crickets and blank stares when I engage the medical pros. My dad’s doctor acted more like he was a student of mine. I went from being “the patient’s son” to a peer. It was fucking weird.

    And, the dude must have been a blabber mouth. I’m single and there’s no way I get “ear-to-ear” smiles from hot nurses without that doc blabbing about my modest medical training. Like I said, fucking weird. Weird but cool.

    I’d like to take the credit, and I will for making sure my dad was using a MMJ product that checked off all the boxes that Big Pharma demands, i.e., known quantity, known cannabinoids, metered dosage, and especially reproducibility. I showed them Sativex before they got a chance to see it on pharmacy shelves.

    “If you can’t measure it, it’s not science.”

    My addiction is the excitement that comes from discovery and the development of human potential. Or, you could just ride a bicycle, same difference.

    For those keeping score at home, 99.999% of my comments are cannabis-fueled. This episode was a rare binge-drinking night for me. Excuse me, gotta piss.

  7. allan says:

    sad day amigos y amigas… we’ve lost another good one.

    Jay Bergstrom was an editor, newshawk and LTE writer with MAP for years. Another good friend I’ve never met but know so well. Was sad to come home tonite and find out about his passing.

    RIP bud, be along soon enough, say hi to all.

    • Hope says:

      Jay Bergstrom helped so much in a truly righteous cause.

      That cause? To end the mayhem and madness of the War on Drugs. He saw it get reined in considerably. I’m glad of that.

      Some day, posterity will say about these times, “The government and vigilantes were actually killing and imprisoning people over plants, drugs, and herbs. Troglodytes claiming academic expertise on the “Problem” were counseling government it was good business to do so.”

      Jay Bergstrom helped so much in the push back against that.

      • DdC says:

        Where, except on a temporary, state by state basis? Of which I live in one of the best places on the planet for obtaining Ganja and have never seen such civilized operations to buy cannabis. I know it could all disappear January 20th. Absolutely nothing has changed officially. Cannabis is still schedule#1 and if they are pushed to the limits and have to reschedule. Their answer is to give a monopoly to fat pharma as a schedule#2. Keeping Hemp, Rec and Medicinal Ganja prohibited. With a medical alternative spray, tincture or patch produced by the drug store moguls. If they don’t just sit on the patent until it expires. They also have a ten year cushion or longer for proper testing. That is once or if it is removed from the CSA class 1 to permit testing. The 1999 IOM report stating medicinal value never reached the FDA. Jay wasn’t stupid. He died as frustrated as the rest of us feel who actually deal in reality and not wishful dreams or greed that is masking reality with pseudo laws of incremental retardation. Same as the slave drivers feeding the slaves entrails and waste products. Pigs feet and chitlins are better than starving eh? My wish is for all of the dead victims of the drug war to rise up and haunt the shit out of the prohibitches! Until we the people rise up and march on DC and shut down the drug worrier Congress until reality is the base of policy. Everywhere is war.

      • allan says:

        I’ll miss JayB… wished I had met him.

        And DdC, maybe just once in awhile, throttle back a bit, esp among friends talking about old friends? If Jay had thought his efforts went for naught he wouldn’t have given that much time…

        • DdC says:

          Allan reality is reality. If someone has a different opinion of reality. Lay it on me. Jay did what every other reform group is doing. Incrementalism. In some areas it is a life saver. In others over regulated. But in no case does it change a damn thing federally. Meaning if those calling themselves idealist continue with incremental reform geared to sell pot more than safe access for all. The next Trump or other prohibitionists will take back every thing states have gained. He did his job for locals to survive the same as we did in Santa Cruz. I don’t believe that was his end goal and I stated the reason that he’s not stupid. Now if that was the goal, then I retract my opinion and I’ll put him in the same box as other wishful hopers and finger crossing idealists to no avail. Allan, I don’t take orders from anyone.

          MAP is an info site and along with a dozen others, archives articles we all use on occasion. I wouldn’t call them a reform group. Or unique. As with the other reform groups existing on donations. They won’t get from me until federal reform is addressed. RIP Jay.

        • allan says:

          a little less jaded interpretation of the work of Jay Bergstrom and MAPinc, w/ Dean Becker and Matt Elrod:

        • DdC says:

          Again, with all due respect. The cannabis reform movement has played politically correct for over 45 years. Playing by rules set up by prohibitionists. All while getting a paycheck. So I disagree. It is way past time to stop begging authoritarians for crumbs. Nixon lied, the DEA perpetuated the lies and yet we continue to beg for mercy over demanding our rights. Instead of paid reformers bartering for a tad less insanity. We have the people and power to demand truth and remove cannabis from the CSA. Rven before it was ever listed. Yet because of the appeasers we still put people in prison for growing. I agree with Freddie…

          At a time like this, scorching irony, not convincing argument, is needed. O! Had I the ability, and could reach the nation’s ear, I would today, pour out a fiery stream of biting ridicule, blasting reproach, withering sarcasm, and stern rebuke. For it is not light that is needed, but fire; it is not the gentle shower, but thunder. We need the storm, the whirlwind, the earthquake. The feeling of the nation must be quickened; the conscience of the nation must be roused; the propriety of the nation must be startled; the hypocrisy of the nation must be exposed; its crimes against God and man must be proclaimed and denounced.
          — Frederick Douglass

          “The DEA Has Smothered the Drug Debate With a Smoke Screen”

          The DEA scheduling system has no scientific basis at all

          “Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.”
          — Frederick Douglass, August 4, 1857

          Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe.
          Frederick Douglass

        • allan says:

          and back atcha, respectfully. MAPinc was NOT a cannabis reform movement. MAPinc and our team of letter writers, newshawks and editors, were an anti-prohibition group. And JayB, like most of us MAPsters were volunteers. MAP/DrugSense has never been a big dollar org.

          Read Dean’s interview w/ Matt. MAPinc and DrugSense provided LEAP it’s first home. We were saying in our letters and opeds what NO ONE else was – “end the WO(s)D.” We did much of the groundwork in elevating the discussion and spreading the drug policy reform talking points. We weren’t just saying “legalize cannabis,” we were saying “legalize ALL drugs.”

        • DdC says:

          Allan I was there when MAPinc started. Then they helped Cannabis News. I agreed at the time during Clinton that it was necessary since the National MSM didn’t say anything. This was a way to bring obscure ART’s and LTE’s to the people. The money donated set up a good resource to back up some arguments. IF the MSM printed them. They never did or have many done more than whine about oppression but never take on the Feds. Always incrementalism or LTE’s that no one ever read outside of activists. Still nothing posted because there is nothing written to post. All diversions from the truth and original lies covering up the truth.

          MAP Inc as in incorporated says money is flowing to someone. Maybe the big Lewis donations just support the website and no one gets paid. Or is it Soros? I think he backs MPP. I don’t buy that. Maybe Jay volunteered. But at the end of the day all we have are MSM articles and LTE’s gathered in one spot.

          Same as people going to high times for info. It ain’t gonna happen with regular citizens. I’ll say MAP Inc. has had a place in time and now its time to stop begging and stop trying to prove what has never been disproved. Again I’ll say RIP Jay but its time to deal with reality and move on to removing the lies. Not just do what we all do right here. Post news articles. I’m not saying they should stop posting. Just that MSM words alone are not advancing reality.

          Would Frederick Douglass have told blacks to be satisfied with news articles about slavery? Or that a civil war was required since states can no more decide blacks aren’t human than they can decide cannabis is dangerous. They folllow the Feds and it was the civil war that partially brought freedom. Until the same type of appeasers granted Jim Crow and Segregation. Then more appeasers with the civil rights act. More sub laws to fight the unjust laws that have no business being on the books.

          Ganja is defined by physical laws, so no state has the right to arbitrarily ban it. They only stand on the CSA permitting them to side step reality. Now we have more bartering for some states to use as determined by the profiteering prohibitionists still having a say in the matter. Bullshit is never justified and those who settle for it will never be free. Now ask Trump supporters how many ever read an article at MAP Inc? Or MPP or NORML? Then show me where these so called reform groups have ever attempted to over turn the CSA? ASA has tried for decades most of the time waiting for answers. Then in each case finding arbitrary and capricious rulings voiding their efforts.

          The IOM report in 99 never reached the FDA, never got out of the HHS. Where are the reformers? No medicinal value and 45 years no one can prove it? No one ever says much about Hemp. Obama’s hands off is the best we’ve ever had it and that tells the story in a nutshell. Back to Frederick Douglass.

  8. Tony Aroma says:


    The DEA uses 5 criteria to determine whether a controlled substance should be removed from schedule 1:

    1. The drug’s chemistry must be known and reproducible.
    2. There must be adequate safety studies.
    3. There must be adequate and well-controlled studies proving efficacy.
    4. The drug must be accepted by qualified experts.
    5. The scientific evidence must be widely available.

    FDA approval seems to be a 6th, unwritten criterion.

    However, the Controlled Substances Act only lists 3 criteria for inclusion in schedule 1, which are not at all the same:

    1. The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
    2. The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
    3. There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.

    My question is, WHERE did the 5 criteria used by the DEA come from? Did Congress establish these criteria as an addendum to the CSA? In what legislation passed by Congress are these criteria listed? I can’t find any reference to these criteria outside the DEA. If these criteria aren’t part of any legislation, then WHY is the DEA using them? To a cynical person, it might appear the DEA just made up these criteria specifically to keep marijuana in schedule 1. Could someone please enlighten me on the origin and use of the DEA’s 5 scheduling criteria?

    • DdC says:

      It might appear the DEA just made up these criteria specifically to keep marijuana in schedule 1.

      Understatement of the decade…

      Nixon Aide Reportedly Admitted Drug War Was Meant To Target Black People
      “Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”

      “We have spent over a trillion dollars trying to eradicate the world’s most beneficial plant off the face of the earth. Imagine what a better world this would be if that money had been spent on treatment, education and studying the medical benefits of marijuana.”
      — Steve Hager – High Times Editor (1988 – 2003)

      Over a trillion into the pockets of prohibitionists, eliminate competition for the fat pharms and fossil fools etc etc. Seriously its so obvious the only answer is America has some of the most gullible and greedy people ever produced by humans.

  9. NorCalNative says:

    Tony try this:

    If, this 111-page letter from the DEA on cannabis rescheduling is still current from 2011 this document answers all your questions.

    There’s actually an 8-factor analysis that goes into cannabis rescheduling according to this document. Worth a read for sure.

    You don’t need to wade far into the document to find what you’re looking for.

    • DdC says:

      These criteria are not binding; they were created by DEA and may be altered at any time.

      This 111-page letter from the DEA is bullshit. A catch 22 tacked onto the original 3 CSA criteria that can only be changed by Congress or the drug itself can be raised or lowered by the Justice Dept AG/DEA or President. if the criteria is bogus, which it is and has been proven to be. It can’t remain as it is. Not and maintain scientific integrity. Same propaganda as the FDA employee opinion cannabis has no medicinal value that a prohibitionist rag picked up and printed as fact. No whole plant Ganja test for medicinal value has ever been conducted by the FDA.

      There is no science originally placing cannabis as a schedule#1 so there is no science keeping it there either. They state clearly an impossible task for reform. You can’t do research on a schedule#1 and you can’t remove it without research. No research was used to originally place it as a controlled substance other than Nixon and a naive gullible citizenry with a cowardly greed swollen government. In bed with the corporations in competition and the mainstream corporate propaganda media.

      ☛ The DEA scheduling system has no scientific basis at all

      ☛ Only 13% of the medical schools surveyed mention the endocannabinoid science to our future doctors
      Not one of the medical schools surveyed had a department of endocannabinoid science or an ECS director. None of them taught the endocannabinoid science as an organized course.

      When doctors give up their oath, training and experience treating patients to nark cops, Patients die. Or lose their kids or get caged.
      DO they kNOw what HARM is?

      ☛ Appellate decision puts the ball in your court

      The Obama Administration keeps changing the definition of medical efficacy. Politics have trumped medical science on this issue. ASA can point to a research approval process for medical cannabis, controlled by the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA), which is unique, overly rigorous, and hinders meaningful therapeutic research. ASA argued in its appeal brief that the DEA has no “license to apply different criteria to marijuana than to other drugs, ignore critical scientific data, misrepresent social science research, or rely upon unsubstantiated assumptions, as the DEA has done in this case.”

      “… while the Deputy Director’s statements pertaining to marijuana may be disputed by some with different viewpoints, they were made within the context of ONDCP’s statutory responsibilities, which include taking such actions as necessary to oppose efforts to legalize certain controlled substances such as marijuana. …”

      ☛ ASA: The Informed Advocate

      One-third of drug safety advisers in U.S. show conflicts of interest
      Of the nearly 3,000 panellists appointed based on their drug expertise, 28 per cent disclosed a financial relationship with the company making the drug under review or a competitor, the consumer group reports in Wednesday’s issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association.

      Oh btw NCN. I too have advocated Ganja and even Hemp Oil to nurses and doctors with the same blank stare in return. I have kept a patient from antibiotics for a bladder cathiter for over 19 years. All of his doctors give praise for doing such a fine job keeping him healthy. It is written in his med orders that Hemp Oil is being used. Every time a nurse visits they tell me of how many patients they have with infections clogging the cath. They have to flush them out daily. Each time I ask them how many people have they told about Hemp Oil? None. They think they will be punished if they do. Do No Harm eh?

      ☛ Removal of cannabis from Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act
      The Act provides a process for rescheduling controlled substances by petitioning the Drug Enforcement Administration. The first petition under this process was filed in 1972 to allow cannabis to be legally prescribed by physicians. The petition was ultimately denied after 22 years of court challenges, but a pill form of cannabis’s psychoactive ingredient, THC, was rescheduled in 1985 to allow prescription under schedule II. In 1999, it was again rescheduled to allow prescription under schedule III.

  10. Amazing, the consistent ignorance throughout the pothead press to the cold hard facts of life. Enter search term, naturally derived Dronabinol. by clicking the upper left hand corner on the landing page to open the dialogue box. Yes, Full Extract Cannabis Oil, is now defined as the, generic equivalent to the synthetic THC tradename Marinol and approved for marketing by the FDA & HHS as a Schedule 3 drug on November 1, 2010. Read the fine print, comrades. The scientific evaluation has been completed and the results are published in the Federal Register.

    • Servetus says:

      Greetings and felicitations.

      Much thanks for your input, Mr. Right Reverend Gregory Karl Davis, and welcome to the couch.

      Among other things, I’m an inquisition historian. I and the couchmates always appreciate positive ideas on how to end this awful drug war. I think I speak for all here, anarchists and communists as well, when I say that we here seek a society whose motto is ‘do no harm’; that in governance both the ends and the means must be justifiable.

      If there is to be an ecumenical link among all faiths, one connection, at least, would be the recognition of the evil of drug enforcement and its pathological methods of policing involving entrapment and anonymous informants.

      • 299th smartest guy here says:

        Servetus, I think you got played. I’ll be polite while the Troll visits the couch but I’m not sharing any of Pete’s goodies and free coffee with it.

        That entire comment is disinformation. Did you get god-smacked by its website and forget to put on your science analysis beanie?

        Do you need a weed care package? Let me know if I can help. You’re like the mentor I never had so I’m here to help if I can.

        • Servetus says:

          Mr. Right Reverend Gregory Karl Davis has an Internet presence, unlike a troll, and he looks like Tommy Chong in a cassock. And he’s into cannabis law reform.

          Doubtless, Mr. Davis should probably refrain from discussing pharmacology until he takes a few courses in biochemistry.

        • NorCalNative says:

          You’re pure class S-man. The weed care package offer still stands.

          I’d hate it if my passion for reform killed the passion of somebody else. My comments weren’t meant as “gotcha’s,” just a desire to keep the record straight and free of propaganda.

          If the Rev is a cannabis reformer, he should know better than to talk about stuff beyond his knowledge UNLESS he prefaces it with “I’m thinking out loud here, am I making sense?”

          BTW, your comments on Inquisition History are awesome and among my favorites. I love that stuff.

          Pure Class Dude, e-mail me for your menu selections.

        • DdC says:

          Servetus brings class to the joint…

          Tommy Chong? More like Scalia.

          Universal Absolution Certificate

          I don’t think the rev is a troll either. Just one of those who can’t believe anything positive about smoked cannabis from decades of bullshit hurled at everyone. Like his dreams of a gotcha moment to some how prove all of the benefits are just hype and all the trouble and years spent were wasted because the drug store had Merdenol all along. Checking rev’s refs did bring back fond memories of Peachtree St in Atlanta GA. Close to an Okie. As a rev though one would think he would prefer a natural herb over a lab concoction or isolated molecule. To not know the Tree of Life or that ancient temples billowed clouds of Ganja smoke from incensors. Did Jesus inhale? Especially Hemp in biblical times. Placed in the same class as crack and pcp. My blue jeans are schedule#1 narcotics and don’t even get me off. I’m willing to let bygones be bygones and overlook ignorance that has been a staple of mainstream so long. Not too many chances though. I wonder if Peachtree St still has the place for hitch hikers to stay called the “truckstop”? With a picture of Jumping Jack Flash on the side walk? Although if memory serves every street in Atlanta is some form of Peachtree St.

    • Evidence-based Shaman says:

      Rev, I think your higher power is one-toke-over-the-line.

      You’re trying to tell us that a whole-plant extract, a complex herb, is the generic equivalent of a single molecule?

      THC is a single molecule that has the same structure as the synthetics Dronabinol and Marinol. Single molecules are not generically equivalent to Full Extract Cannabis Oil.

      I don’t believe that document you linked to says anything about Full Extract Cannabis Oil. If I’m mistaken please edify me would you. I read it and I did not see any reference to Full Extract Cannabis Oil.

      I think you’re confusing the term “naturally derived” to mean the same thing as Full Extract Cannabis Oil, and it’s NOT.

    • DdC says:

      Man you got a lot a names. Okie I presume. wtf is the pothead press? The link is WebMD? What’s the redneck press, oh I forgot, they’re all illiterate. It seems by your tone you believe there is a proper drug store alternative already. Seems smoking a joint bothers some people and they probably shouldn’t smoke it. If you’re are one of those people who think I shouldn’t smoke a joint. You do have a problem.

      If that amazes you, try this…Granny Storm Crow’s List – July 2016

      So sport, I tried Marinol for a patient in the late 90’s as a sleep aid. After zombie meds like Ambian. I Tested it first. Soft gel with oil extract. The previous ways to extract were fat, oil and alcohol. CO2 has been around for labs. It’s Garbage, designed to get people not really stoned, just doped up, drowsy, I had to smoke a joint just to rid myself of it. Seemed to have little medicinal value. Not even the munchies. Natural as plastic. Natural Synthetics are Oxymorons, not Morons on Oxy like Rush. Merdinol was fabricated in a laboratory using tax dollars. To ward off 80’s AIDs patients stoners were smuggling pot to for wasting syndrome Several cannabinoids have been isolated and shelved. Research has been shelved, Cannabis Shrinks Tumors: Government Knew in 74

      “Do you realize the responsibility I carry?
      I’m the only person standing between Richard Nixon
      and the White House.” ~ John F. Kennedy

      “You know, it’s a funny thing, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish. What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob?

      “You’re enough of a pro,” Nixon tells Shafer, “to know that for you to come out with something that would run counter to what the Congress feels and what the country feels, and what we’re planning to do, would make your commission just look bad as hell.”
      – Richard Milhous Nixon

      Prohibubbleheads spreading gossip has caused and is causing Americans to suffer and die. Prohibition profits over people. That we all pay for if we pay taxes. Especially harmful to kids they hide behind, having bad reactions to fat pharma white powders. Plea bargain snitch witnesses killed, forfeitured homes, foster racketeering and the harsher the punishment the more kids go to synthetic crap and die.

      Fear of others doing something they don’t like is weird. They should get a life. I have access to dozens of strains to match to patient needs. Finding the strain that works then cloning the plant for a consistent affordable health care. Or reducing stress after work without inebriation or body damage. Why ignorant naive people prefer multinational corporate alternatives is beyond me. Like these Drug Worriers preferred methods of treatment… Suicidal tendencies. loose skin. wtf? Legal drugs side effects sound worse than bad trips.

      Marinol, a brand name, sucks. It is ∆9 thc in sesame seed oil. Dronabinol by its generic name. Worthless for most. Lousy buzz. Sabotage for Clinton and McCaffrey as an alternative to legal cannabis. They also tried pushing Thalidomide. Marinol started a sch2. Then they moved it to a sch.3. Didn’t make it any better as a medicine. GW Sativex has a concentrate oil they apply with a sublingual spray. Extracted by CO2. Its not sold in the US but the FDA has started testing it. It is sold in Europe and Canada. Stock went nuts again last week, up 19 bucks overnight. I use it to pay for my pot. The applicator was replicated and on the streets about 5 minutes after Sativex came out in Canada. Their answer to smoking or vaping. Sublingual means it didn’t matter if Clinton inhaled, he got a buzz. Nothing is more consistent and works as well as whole plant Ganja. Strains matched to symptoms. Nixon lied, science should get over it and remove it as a controlled substance.


    • darkcycle says:

      Rev. Davis, Marinol is NOT full extract. It is syntheticly derived THC alone. Not only is it devoid of CBD, it also has none of the other 200 or so other cannabiniods and no terpenes.

  11. thelbert says:

    here’s a piece about the consequences of voting third party or abstaining:

    • DdC says:

      3rd parties can’t wait until the campaigns to start. They need to go out for the 3 years after the inauguration and build a party for the next election. They sure do sound good and it would be nice but the results are Bush/Cheney. 3rd party’s siphoning votes is the same as blocking voters. Both candidates are Neocon and the money coming in is Neocon. The base is Neocon but the voters are people. One side, obedient by choice, follow orders, and do not question. the other doesn’t settle for orders without verification. At least the part of the voters don’t. Such as Obama not enforcing bogus lies verses John Walters or Chris Christie punishing sick people and ruining kids lives is how it has played out. Clinton may be a repeat but she is held more accountable than the GOP following Trump after month’s of rare truth denigrating him. imo republicans should vote Gary Johnson with double digits to get funds and debate time. Jill needs to do what all are forced to do with the Citizens United foreign fascism and back the voters bringing the party back to the American people. How can the environment be better off with Trump killing the EPA because Jill siphoned the votes? No surprises about Chris Chrispie Creamboy’s paranoia of pot. Locally 3rd parties can make a difference.

    • Tony Aroma says:

      I don’t get this??? Hillary supporters say that a vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Trump. And Trump supporters say that a vote for Johnson is a vote for Hillary. They can’t both be right!

      • DdC says:

        A vote for anyone 3rd party is against Trump or Hilary. It depends on what party is voting. Republicans against Trump most likely would vote Johnson and Demcrats against Hilary would vote Jill Stein Green. If Dems voted Johnson it would hurt Hilzy Same unlikely scenario if Trumpets voted Jill Stein it would hurt Drumpf. As the article explains very well. A 3rd party vote at this stage is a wasted vote. Especially voting Green with 1 or 2%. Republicans voting for Johnson makes more sense since Gary is already in double digits and reaching 15% would qualify him for debate time and fed funding for the next election. Voting Green is not only a wasted vote. If it cost the election then the Green Party would become the spoiled brat party of poutestors and die in vein. Same as Nadar bring us Bush/Cheney two wars and a depression. Bernie hasn’t lost any ground and has brought the platform closer to reality. It needs to continue and build support and with super-delegate tweaking and campaign finance reform hopefully over turning C.U. getting the big buck foreign investors out. 2020 could be a reality for real reform. Even if Hilzy goes along at the same rate as Obama it will still be better than Chrispie as Drug Czar or AG under Drumpf. So the statement is correct but you need a starting point for it to make sense. Mathematically R v J = H and D v J = T. R v S = H and D v S = T.

  12. Pete'sDoneAnotherRunner says:

    Another prohibitionist bites the dust.
    This time in the 4th Worcester District, Massachusetts:

    Marchand added that much of his opposition is due to his belief that marijuana is a gateway drug and that legalizing it would lead to an increase in crime. During the debate he also said that marijuana contains three times the number of carcinogens than the amount found in a single cigarette.

    In response to her opponent’s claims, Higgins said: “I would love to see the research Mr. Marchand is referring to.”

    When results started coming back on election night in Higgins’ favor, Marchand’s supporters did grumble to themselves about the impending loss.

    Even Marchand would mutter to himself from time to time, but it was never about the two candidates’ differences over the “Fair Share” proposal, tax-free weekends or tax increases.
    There was only one word that kept getting repeated at the Marchand camp as the loss inched nearer, and that word was “marijuana.”

  13. DdC says:

    In mho It seems the definition of “value” is different among prohibitionists and normal people. They state human life as having value in terms such as success or wealth. Not necessarily truth, enjoyment or health. Cannabis has a history of making people of all colors, uppity. We question authority and that is not good for business. Selling out or blind faith and unquestioning loyalty is their definition of the road to success. Cannabis makes us question Colombus, pharmaceuticals and even sexual orientation. It probably got thousands of blacks lynched after the civil war and continues to put people of color into slave labor cages. Prohibitionists can’t survive without lies or swaying facts. Truth is literally their demise. We seem to be more comfortable with truth than going along with bullshit for the sake of the kids who are harmed as much or more than anyone with this drug war. Or lying for profits as the fat pharms donating to lost prohibition causes. It doesn’t have medicinal value $$$ homegrown in the herb garden. Although even that is lame since Ganja has proven to be America’s #1 cash crop. Love is all we need and its free. No wonder hate is getting all the press.

  14. Kevin'sAbove says:

    The Brits have decided to listen carefully to the evidence.

    The MPs will set out an argument for enabling doctors to prescribe cannabis which has been produced in a strictly controlled pharmaceutical setting, and recommend facilitating further research on its therapeutic properties.

    They will recommend it is made available to treat around 60 specific conditions.

    And they will look at the global context.

    Access to cannabis as a medicine is now allowed in Canada, the Netherlands, Australia, Israel, and over 20 states in the US. Germany and Switzerland allow it to be imported from the Netherlands for medicinal purposes.

    Medical opinion is changing.

    In Europe more than 250 million people now have legal access to medicinal cannabis, 210 million in the USA, 35 million in Canada and 8 million in Israel.

    • jean valjean says:

      “cannabis which has been produced in a strictly controlled pharmaceutical setting…”

      Sounds like a plug for Sativex. With their huge percentage mark-up even the black market will be cheaper and supply will remain in the hands of criminals. Plus ca change. I have a feeling this treatment will not be available on the National Health even in the unlikely event that MPs do vote it in.

      • jean valjean says:

        Just read a little more about this; the parliamentary group have included a grow your own provision for patients. The chances of anything happening with this proposal are about zero… the Daily Mail is cranking out the gateway theory and issuing dire warnings of psychosis and all the rest of the usual lies. (Sativex innocent!)

        • Frank W. says:

          i thought Plastinated Thatcher was going to abolish the House of Lords and replace it with an American congress (Sir Charles Grassley presiding). Then we’ll get the strong pot laws the kingdom needs.

        • jean valjean says:

          I don’t know if Thatcher was plastinated but I used to work in an office overlooking her retirement back garden after Dennis died. I can say without doubt that she was plastered from mid morning on as she knocked back gin and tonics at a rapid rate. Parliament in Britain is basically a drinking club for many MPs, most of whom are staunch prohibitionists when it comes to the consumption cannabis.

  15. Sam says:

    Wishing you a safe trip, all the best!

  16. Tony Aroma says:

    Apparently the double-blind clinical trials being done, and already completed, in Israel weren’t considered by the DEA (or FDA or HHS) when they reviewed the science for their rescheduling decision.

    In Israel, booming medical marijuana looks to conquer new highs

    Currently, cannabis is undergoing clinical trials or approved for use to treat tinnitus, colitis, Crohn’s disease, some of the spastic symptoms of cerebral palsy pediatric patients, severe epilepsy in children, Tourette’s syndrome, Parkinson’s disease, Inflammatory Bowel Disease, autism symptoms like insomnia or aggressiveness, and some of the side effects of cancer treatment. Future trials include testing cannabis for the treatment of rheumatoid arthritis, post-traumatic stress disorder and eye inflammations.

  17. QuaxMercy says:

    The first Presidential Debate is scheduled for Hempstead, NY, just like 4 years ago, when it passed totally unremarked upon. I think we should shape some questions for Hillary, like: “Madame Secretary, do you have any idea how many jobs could be provided if this country would get a nation-wide industrial hemp program up and running? And as a follow-up, when you commented some years ago that drugs couldn’t be legalized because ‘there’s too much money in it,’ isn’t that in fact the proof that this racket must be broken up, and the profits redistributed?”
    What else ya got?

  18. For Entertainment Purposes Only aka NCN says:

    I’ve learned that my choice of a third-party candidate means I’m too stupid to know how to dress, have sex, and apparently I’m even masturbating all wrong.

    So, in honor of American politics I’ve created a new t-shirt for the Green Party. It comes in Hemp, and Hemp only.

    “My eqo is too big for my shirt, Fuck off and Die.”

    Sorry about not bending a knee to our new future Empress Cankles. C’mon Hil would it kill you to hit the gym once in a while?

    Almost forgot. Hat tip to the long-gone troll who used the term Empress Cankles here first. It’s not my term but I think it’s a perfect fit.

    I was recently face-raped by Hillary and I’m still traumatized by it. I was trying to learn the lead guitar licks to “All Along the Watchtower” and found the 90’s version by Lenny Kravitz and Eric Clapton to be the one I liked best. Hendrix just pisses me off because he’s hard to replicate..

    At the end of the song which was played at the White House they scan the crowd and there’s Bill and Hill sitting in the front row with big smiles on their faces from rocking out to Kravitz and Clapton.

    Traumatized in a way that weed can never fix.

  19. DdC says:

    So Pete, what happened in Acadia National Park that took you from still on my extended road trip vacation to Our trip has continued, taking us beyond…? 👍.Enjoy!

    Someone clue in Lil Debbie Wasserfuck

    Here’s the truth about whether access to medical marijuana reduces opioid overdose deaths
    After a state legalizes medical marijuana, and especially after dispensaries start operating, opioid deaths fall.

    ☛ DNC Chair, Fueled by Booze PACs, Blasts Legal Pot

    ☛ Idiot Wasserman Schultz Says Legal Pot is to Blame For Heroin Epidemic

    ☛ Another Reason to Hate Debbie Wasserman Schultz: Her War on Medical Marijuana

  20. Michigan will soon make an exception to its policy of not taxing medicine in the State of Michigan – by establishing a tax on medical cannabis.

    Must be that this only applies to the pharmaceutical industry drugs. A perfect example of drug war logic, and government greed.

  21. Servetus says:

    They’re coming for your DNA. In a scenario reminiscent of Invasion of the Body Snatchers, or Gattaca, hundreds of police living in a parallel universe and armed with cotton swabs are stalking 15 and 16-year-old adolescents to obtain and record their DNA, thereby promoting Fichte’s classic definition of a police state, “… every citizen must be readily identifiable, wherever necessary, as this or that particular person. Police officers must be able to establish the identity of every subject.”

    Over the last decade, collecting DNA from people who are not charged with — or even suspected of — any particular crime has become an increasingly routine practice for police in smaller cities not only in Florida, but in Connecticut, Pennsylvania and North Carolina.

    While the largest cities typically operate public labs and feed DNA samples into the FBI’s national database, cities like Melbourne have assembled databases of their own, often in partnership with private labs that offer such fast, cheap testing that police can afford to amass DNA even to investigate minor crimes, from burglary to vandalism.

    And to compile samples for comparison, some jurisdictions also have quietly begun asking people to turn over DNA voluntarily during traffic stops, or even during what amount to chance encounters with police. In Melbourne, riding a bike at night without two functioning lights can lead to DNA swab — even if the rider is a minor.

    “In Florida law, basically, if we can ask consent, and if they give it, we can obtain it,” said Cmdr. Heath Sanders, the head of investigations at the Melbourne Police Department. “We’re not going to be walking down the street and asking a five-year-old to stick out his tongue. That’s just not reasonable. But’s let’s say a kid’s 15, 16 years old, we can ask for consent without the parents.”

    Stop-and-spits could provide increased incentives to police to enforce laws involving petty drug crimes.

    • DdC says:

      “Always eyes watching you and the voice enveloping you. Asleep or awake, indoors or out of doors, in the bath or bed- no escape. Nothing was your own except the few cubic centimeters in your skull.”
      ― George Orwell, 1984

      Freedom of Thought at the Crossroads
      The Center for Cognitive Liberty & Ethics (CCLE)

      Rhode Island is linking DNA collection on newborns to its education
      database, meaning each child will be tracked from birth to college graduation and beyond.

      “The fact is that the modern implementation of the prison planet has far surpassed even Orwell’s 1984 and the only difference between our society and those fictionalized by Huxley, Orwell and others, is that the advertising techniques used to package the propaganda are a little more sophisticated on the surface.
      Yet just a quick glance behind the curtain reveals that the age old tactics of manipulation of fear and manufactured consensus are still being used to force humanity into accepting the terms of its own imprisonment and in turn policing others within the prison without bars.”
      ― Paul Joseph Watson

      Obama orders ‘mental-health’ testing for schoolkids
      Using “gun violence” as its cover, the Obama administration has quietly unleashed a cache of federal dollars that will be used for testing students for signs of mental health issues in K-12 schools.

      $50 million from feds for DNA grabs
      So far, Rhode Island appears to be the only state connecting a child’s DNA to his state education record, Robbins said. But in return for federal funds, a number of states plan to link children’s health data with their student records, Read more at wnd

      N.Y. Preschool Starts DNA Testing For Admission

      “He who controls the past controls the future.
      He who controls the present controls the past.” ~ 1984

  22. Freeman says:

    J. D. Tuccille makes an excellent point about prohibition:
    (emphasis mine)

    So the desire to control remains in place, nurtured by policy-makers and their supporters who never intend themselves to be the target of enforcement. That desire remains even as public pushback causes yet another prohibition to stumble and fall. Prohibition has its own logic—of control and power—that has very little to do with the specific prohibition at any given moment. Those who would mold the world to suit their vision see no reason to back off their efforts, they’ve created a vast bureaucracy of enforcers who make their living pushing us around, and they’ve accustomed us to a state that pokes and prods us at every turn.

    So celebrate the relegalization of marijuana for sure. Just don’t convince yourself that it means we’ve seen the end of prohibition, or of the abuses that intrusive government brings. The next big prohibition might be kratom, or another drug, or a grab-bag of substances and activities of which our rulers disapprove. What is banned matters less than the fact of the ban and the apparatus that keeps the ban in place.

    Winning doesn’t mean ending a prohibition, it means disempowering the prohibitionists.

    He misspelled “prohibitches”, of course, but absolutely captures the nature of the beast: control freaks addicted to the power to manipulate everyone’s behavior but their own. They’re always exerting control over those “other” people doing those “other” things, never something they want to do freely themselves (let’s see k’Lieman accept his absurd suggested requirement for a state license to purchase limited quantities of ridiculously overpriced chocolate, which his rotundity, to a prohibitch, might suggest he’s had more than enough of).

    Unfailingly, when one of “their” people does one of those “other” things, draconian enforcement does not apply. Nephews of a prohibitch state governor can commit a federal “crime”, get “prosecuted” in that governor’s state court instead of federal court, and “sentenced” to probation, conditions of which (directly related to their “crime”, even) they never need worry about complying with.

    We need to take the power back, and never let them have it again.

    • UpANotch says:

      Some great reporting by Chieu Luu, Tiffany Ap and Kathy Quiano at CNN

    • Tony Aroma says:

      Just wondering if foreign dignitaries visiting the US have to go through customs. If so, and Justin Trudeau answered the standard question about past marijuana use honestly, would he not be allowed into the US? Or is it like with the president’s daughter, the law only applies to regular people, not politicians?

      • Servetus says:

        Government dignitaries are typically issued diplomatic passports. The cover on the U.S. diplomatic passport is black instead of blue, for example. Diplomatic passports allow international transit minus the hassle of customs.

        Black passports are not an impervious means of smuggling. A story I encountered in the Nixon-70s involved a U.S. citizen with a diplomatic passport who tried to smuggle hash out of Turkey. He was caught at the border. His black passport worked to the extent that he wasn’t jailed. However, in order to impress Nixon, who had just made a big brouhaha about drugs, Turkish officials did break the smuggler’s hands shortly before deporting him.

  23. Mr_Alex says:

    @allan and ddc, did you know Straight Inc was literally another copy of Synanon rehab?:

  24. DdC says:

    Their heeeeeeere…

    Not So Dope: Police Test First Marijuana Breathalyzer on Cali Drivers
    Police in the US have gotten their hands on a marijuana breathalyzer and drivers in California were among the first to be tested –with nationwide distribution planned for next year.

    Cops use a groundbreaking marijuana breathalyzer in first-ever field tests #marijuana

    Gone to pot: Weed smoking rises among US middle aged, seniors as teen use declines

    Where to watch

  25. Will says:

    While the concept of incrementalism is occasionally discussed on Drug War Rant, I don’t see it mentioned in articles that often. But recently an article appeared in my local newspaper that did mention it (the link below is from, not my local paper);

    Schlafly’s Death a Reminder that Conservatism Still Matters

    The specific paragraph;

    There’s often much to recommend slowing revolutionary change to the pace of incrementalism. Still, politically, this has always put traditional conservatives at a disadvantage, because it implies they don’t change the direction, just the speed. That is why the philosopher Friedrich Hayek rejected the conservative label, saying the “fate of conservatism [is] to be dragged along a path not of its own choosing.”[emphasis added]

    Strangely though, Mr. Goldberg doesn’t elucidate what is “often much to recommend” regarding incrementalism. He goes on to describe why he believes the above argument isn’t correct.

    A couple of paragraphs down, there’s this;

    The second problem highlights the contradiction in the term “conservative.” American conservatives, unlike the ones Hayek had in mind, aren’t merely opponents of change; they’re champions of liberty. This is why Hayek also said that America was the one country where you could call yourself a conservative and still be on the side of freedom: We are trying to conserve the classical liberal tenets of the American founding.[emphasis added]


    I think Mr. Goldberg is being quite disingenuous here. When he defends incrementalism I seriously doubt he just wants to slowly allow “revolutionary” change to become gradually palatable. I suspect he simply hopes that if certain changes are impeded long enough, eventually his side takes over again and all those crazy changes can be set back to “no change at all”.

    Of course all he has to do is insert words like “liberty” and “freedom” in the hopes that incrementalism takes on a kinder and gentler vibe instead of being viewed as largely obstructive, which is exactly what it is. Hopefully as we move forward with meaningful drug law and criminal justice reform, we’ll get so far down the road that turning back will not be an option. Hopefully.


    Note: the reason I read Jonah Goldberg’s article in the first place is because Phyllis Shafly’s name was in the title. Many years ago I was in the market to buy a new clothes washer and stumbled across a nut job article written by Ms. Shafly describing a conspiracy theory as to why Big Bother was pushing front load washers. For a laugh (or a grimace), check out what the loon had to say;

    Tell Big Brother To Get Out Of Our Washing Machines

    (I bought a front load washer anyway and still have it after 15 years. Great decision.)

  26. UpANotch says:

    We have a Jury Nullification in Florida:

    Bridget Kirouac found not guilty of cultivation and possession of cannabis

    Prosecutors focused on that decision [to move to Florida] – and the legality of her cannabis use here in the state – saying medical marijuana in Florida wasn’t legal at the time of her offense.

    Kirouac’s attorney countered with a medical necessity defense – and argued her need outweighs the law.

  27. UpANotch says:

    Here’s an update:

    (MARTIN COUNTY) After a long two years, Bridget Kirouac will rest easier tonight.

    Still in pain, she is now free of the stress of a trial and possible prison time after a jury found her not guilty of growing marijuana in her Martin County home. “It’s been extraordinarily stressful…emotionally draining,” she said.

  28. Servetus says:

    Evidence that a substitution effect is taking place favoring marijuana over opioids is presented by Columbia University researchers:

    September 16, 2016 — It is of little wonder that Big Pharma has been exposed actively undermining efforts to legalize marijuana, after new research on Thursday found a drop in the use of opioid painkillers in the states that allow people to treat pain with good, ol’ Mary Jane.

    The study, published in the American Journal of Public Health, examined data on traffic fatalities in 18 states and analyzed the cases in which the presence of opioids was detected. In states that had operational medical marijuana laws, which included either “allowances for home cultivation or active dispensaries,” the Columbia University researchers found “a significant reduction in opioid positivity for drivers aged 21 to 40 years.”

    Thus, the researchers concluded that such laws “may reduce opioid use and overdose.”

    “We would expect the adverse consequences of opioid use to decrease over time in states where medical marijuana use is legal, as individuals substitute marijuana for opioids in the treatment of severe or chronic pain,” explained lead author June H. Kim, a doctoral student in the Department of Epidemiology at Columbia’s Mailman School of Public Health.[…]

  29. NZ says:

    This may be worth a mention.

    Police said they would not be arresting protesters in possession of or smoking cannabis outside their stations today – as long as they were peaceful.

  30. Found a very nice article at Newsweek:

    “The DEA Has Smothered the Drug Debate With a Smoke Screen”

    “In short: Schedule I is not a set of scientific criteria rationally applied to the world of drugs. Rather, it’s a science-y looking smoke screen, one that allows the DEA to do virtually whatever it feels like, which is often completely indefensible.”

    The hypocrisy of the DEA should be obvious by now. Its an agency that prosecutes drug war, plans it, defends corporate pharmaceutical profits, as it acts to mold the moral behavior of the American population according to its whims and fancies. The DEA is an American agency version of Rodrigo Duterte.

    The DEA has no place in modern society – creating its drug war chaos as we try to clean up the damage caused by them.

  31. “As Heroin Deaths Skyrocket, Prescription Monitoring Programs May Do More Harm”

    “There is evidence to suggest that the raging heroin problem is being fueled by the crackdown on painkillers like OxyContin and Vicodin. Shuttering pill-mills, tightening restrictions on certain analgesics, and making products harder to snort and inject all seem to be curbing prescription drug abuse. But addiction does not simply go away when the pills do, which is why people dependent on prescription opioids have been switching to heroin in record numbers.”

    • You know, I think that the intention of the DEA was to create a heroin problem in conjunction with marijuana legalization, and to pin the problem on the gateway effect of marijuana.

      Simply put, the public is now too wise for this ruse to work. Statistics prove otherwise.

      The DEA finds itself playing into the hands of the big cartels who are protecting profits by switching to growing opium poppies instead of cannabis. Importing chemicals is a cinch.

      The DEA has drummed up some nice drug war business while doing a fine job of instilling fear. Blaming it all on an addiction prone public needing constraint to save the children. Solution: the DEA and prohibition and more cops.

      What a twisted web this drug war is!

      • Mouth says:

        The DEA has a 161 million acre ranch out east of here where lots of opium and cannabis grow. They’ve had it since 2001. Some call this place, Afghanistan. And I’m sure Mr. David Headley gave them his Pakistani hookup . . . it’d be a shame if the DEA couldn’t pocket some of that nation’s $4 billion a year in drugs.

        • thelbert says:

          got any more specifics? the biggest ranch i can find is the king ranch which is less than a million acres. have you actually seen this place?

        • Duncan20903 says:


          thelbert, it’s back to remedial metaphorics for you!

          I’ve seen it on TV, does that count? To me it appears that their primary licit driver of GDP is rocks. The local rock farmers harvest them all day then deliver to the middleman @ 20¢ a ton. I have no clue how they could grow anything in that climate. Well except for the rocks of course. Mission accomplished!

          The thought that black markets can be created on demand with supply are as ludicrous from this side of the table as it is when regurgitated by the idiot prohibitionists.

          Econ 101: Supply rises to meet demand. If the black market vendors can replace lost profits by simply growing a crop why would they wait until the revenues go away? If they

        • thelbert says:

          that flew right over my head, Duncan, thanks for setting me straight lol

  32. FourHorses says:

    And the San Francisco Chronicle said:

    Any serious discussion of marijuana legalization must begin with the acknowledgment of reality: Prohibition is not working. The drug is popular and readily available for recreational use, either through medical marijuana dispensaries, where 18-year-olds can purchase cannabis with a doctor’s recommendation, often after a nudge-and-a-wink; or a black market that continues to thrive. As with the era of alcohol Prohibition until its repeal in 1933, criminal enterprises have exploited the outlawing of a popular product. In the case of cannabis, Prohibition also has wreaked significant environmental damage from clandestine operations that divert water from streams, use chemicals and otherwise tamper with the ecosystem away from regulators’ scrutiny…

    Prop. 64 would bring discipline and oversight to an industry that is operating in the shadows, to the detriment of public health, the environment and public safety. Vote yes on 64.

  33. Servetus says:

    How to end a drug war:

    “The state is a social relationship; a certain way of people relating to one another. It can be destroyed by creating new social relationships; i.e., by people relating to one another differently.” – Gustav Landauer, (1817-1919)

    (cf) Revolution by Gustav Landauer (pdf) here.

    Yes, it really is possible to get the state to treat all its citizens like ordinary human beings.

    Change the people, change the government.

  34. thelbert says:

    here is your FDA at work:

  35. Servetus says:

    New research in the UK shows drunkeness is relative:

    12-SEP-2016 — When drunk and surrounded by other drinkers, people’s judgements of their own levels of intoxication and the associated risks are related to the drunkenness of their peers, not on the objective amount of alcohol they have actually consumed, according to a study published in the open access journal BMC Public Health.

    Researchers at Cardiff University found … whilst intoxicated … [p]eople were more likely to underestimate their own level of drinking, drunkenness and the associated risks when surrounded by others who were intoxicated but felt more at risk when surrounded by people who were more sober.

    AAAS Public Release: Your judgement of how drunk you are appears to depend on those around you — Biomed Central

    Similar comparisons involving individuals high on marijuana would be nearly impossible to make, short of someone falling asleep. The difference in effects is an important distinction between alcohol and cannabinoids.

  36. Sagacious Fool says:

    I have been lurking” around this site (and some others) for a couple of years now because I too support a complete rewrite of our drug laws and elimination of the DEA and have ever since the days of Nixon and the start of much of this nonsense!
    I am a little disappointed however to see so little discussion at this site regarding the upcoming kratom ban. This has to be the worst over reach yet by this rogue federal agency (next to cannabis)and we have a very good opportunity to hit back and hit back hard thanks to their own short sightedness and power lust! Whether you use kratom or not, or use opiates or not, I can attest this will be a tragic situation for many opiate dependent/addicted people who have found great relief and alternative through kratom. This IS a very effective non-opiate pain reliever that helps addicts to quit the opiate habit. Some risks involved but not nearly as bad as the DEA paints it(of course.)
    The DEA has expressed “surprise” and have backpedaled a little bit due to the overwhelming angry response they and our representatives have been getting but I think that’s just BS intended to placate us until October 1 when it becomes “fait accompli”. My point is though the DEA does find itself in very deep water now without any real knowledge of the plant or scientific drug fact and the attackers include many doctors and research scientists.
    We have to keep the DEA “against the ropes” on this one until all the public has a chance to see what little they know and in turn reform might be that much closer. This one is hitting much closer to home with people because it involves so many different walks in life all finding pain relief through a very simple plant. Of course where have I heard that story before! Well maybe this time the DEA has stepped into something much bigger than itself. I hope so but I urge all of the readers here to contact your government reps and the DEA and give them hell! Everybody else is doing it.

    • Swooper says:

      I agree. The underwhelming response by most people to the overstepping of the DEA in scheduling Kratom as a Class I drug saddens me. I know that DPA has a petition going around about the DEA’s action, but other than one local news story which was actually quite on ‘our’ side, I haven’t seen much of any kind of pushback.

      Even my legislators don’t know what the hell I’m talking about when I called their offices. There needs to be a concentrated effort to stir Congress to push back.

      I have a very good friend who swears by kratom, and stocked up on it as soon as I told him of the impending ban. I made sure he paid cash so there is no record of him having more than a kilo of the stuff. He’s already started reducing the amount he takes to make it last longer, since it’s likely the last he’ll have. He’s a longtime user of the plant, and it’s really been helpful for him, keeping him off opioids and helping him in his very physical job.

      • Frank W. says:

        Kratom isn’t news for Actionewsteam so they’ll just dutifully report the DEA’s PR story. The SS got pretty cray-cray near the end of WWII.

      • Sagacious Fool says:

        Well I share your skepticism regarding how the press/public responds but I truly think this might be the “golden moment” in the beginning of the end of the DEA. Press is starting to run some favorable pieces and the public that does use kratom is fighting back hard email wise. However that alone is not going to do it, we need overwhelming flooding of phone lines, mail rooms and computer servers as well as favorable tv news coverage. All I can say for the moment is I wish I knew more as to how to get the word out there!

  37. Duncan20903 says:


    OK, here’s one to be filed in the “from the sublime to the ridiculous and the truly bizarre” category and cross filed in the “we only arrest people because we care about them” category. Judges in Nashville say that making the charge a civil infraction will rob people of the opportunity to have their criminal record expunged. I bull shit you not though perhaps from time to time I may embellish.

    Judges question Nashville marijuana decriminalization effort
    September 20, 2016

    Some Nashville judges are raising concerns that the Metro Council action moving minor marijuana possession cases from criminal to civil court may give people fewer options to later erase those encounters from the public record.

    The Metro Council on Tuesday approved an ordinance giving Nashville police discretion to issue civil penalties of $50 or 10 hours of community service when individuals have less than a half ounce of marijuana in their possession. The so-called decriminalization effort avoids creating a criminal record by shifting those cases to civil courts.

  38. DdC says:

    Some Veterans say they were Cut Off
    despite Chronic Pain conditions.

    The prison strike didn’t merit a single mention by MSM

  39. DdC says:

    Inside NFL’s Backwards Marijuana Policy
    “The medicine being pumped into these guys is just killing people”

    Former NFL Player Says Cannabis Brought Out His A-Game

    NFL’s Buzzkill
    Unofficial Self-Appointed Cannabist for the SF Giants.

  40. FourHorses says:

    OK, own up! Which one of you clever fuckers wrote this?

    Imagine this. There were four types of cars in the United States, red cars, blue cars, green cars, and white cars. The US government found that lots of minorities drove green cars. They also noticed that people who drove green cars protested against war. Based on their research the US government decided green cars would now be outlawed as a way to help control minorities and anti-war citizens.

    Many citizens didn’t like the law and continued to drive green cars even though it was against the law. Some people that drove green cars ended up in prison for decades just for driving a green car. If you were a minority and drove a green car it was as good as a jail sentence.

    Then it turned out after much research was done that green cars were actually far safer to drive than the other legal cars. Red, blue and white cars were found to be directly responsible for over 650,000 deaths per year. Although green cars didn’t have a perfect safety record they killed almost no one. This data was presented to the US government.
    While the government was considering the new data the corporations that made and sold red, blue and white cars gave government officials millions of dollars to help them stay in office. The corporation’s for legal cars bought elected officials expensive vacations and took them out to expensive restaurants for free booze and meals. Manufacturers of red, blue and white cars dumped billions of dollars into state elections to stop green cars from being legalized.

    Finally some states legalized green cars for medical reasons because they were so much safer and frequently worked better than red, blue or white cars. Then some state government officials became very courageous and completely legalized green cars.

    Because the drivers of the illegal green cars had not been paying any car taxes the states that legalized them all of the sudden began to received 100s of millions of dollars in new tax income. When green cars were made legal all of the criminal suppliers had to run away to neighboring states and green cars were manufactured by legitimate business providing thousands of new jobs. Legalize it!


  41. Servetus says:

    Uses of the cannabis plant in the year 1649:

    … it was the herbalist Nicholas Culpeper who was to draw all the previous information together succinctly in his A Physical Directory, published in 1649.

    Sometimes referred to as Culpeper’s The Complete Herbal, it brought together all the astrological, alchemical and scientific information available in an herbalist’s pharmacopoeia. In it, he wrote of hemp, the seed expels wind. Boiled in milk, and taken, it helps those that have a hot or dry cough. An emulsion made from the seed is good for jaundice, particularly if there be an ague accompanying it, for it opens obstructions of the gall and causes digestion of choler. The emulsion or decoction of the seed stays the lax and continual fluxes; eases the colic and allays the troublesome humours of the bowels. It also stays bleeding at the mouth, nose and other places. It kills worms in man or beast and if the juice is dropped into the ears, it will kill worms in them and draw forth earwigs or other living creatures. The decoction of the root allays inflammations of the head; or any other parts. The herb or distilled water of it does the same decoction of the root, eases gouty pains, hard knots in the joints, and pain in the sinews and hips. The fresh root mixed with a little oil and butter is good for burns. Culpeper did not, of course, comment upon cannabis’ psycho-active potential, for the plant he would have known, growing in a temperate clime, would have produced very little THC.

    Not only physicians and herbalists used cannabis; sorcerers did too. Consequently, it was not long before the Christian church moved against it. In 1231, Pope Gregory IX initiated the Holy Inquisition, its aim to root out and destroy the heresies of the previous two centuries. Hemp, being regarded as sorcerous, was outlawed as heretical. Those who used it, whether for medical purposes or divination, were branded as witches who, in turn, were considered heretics.[…]

    Martin Booth, Cannabis: A History, (2003) pp. 70-1.

    Despite Pope Gregory IX outlawing the herb 1231, cannabis went underground. It has been underground for 785 years, all the time displaying its invincible resilience to elimination.

  42. Well, to be fair since I brought it up here. Attorney General Loretta Lynch has something to say:

    “Is Marijuana Addictive And A Gateway Drug? Obama’s Attorney General Explains Cause Of Opioid, Heroin Epidemic”

    I still think the DEA and the Justice Department is drumming up drug war business in anticipation of losing their marijuana cash cow.

    Drug War.

    • DdC says:

      Medical Marijuana Seems To Reduce Deaths From Pharmaceuticals
      Insys Therapeutics, the Arizona-based pharmaceutical company that recently became the biggest financial supporter of the campaign against marijuana legalization in that state, makes an oral spray that delivers the opioid painkiller fentanyl and plans to market another one that contains dronabinol, a synthetic version of THC.

      • jean valjean says:

        Synthetic drugs….. another version of “legal highs.” A business model based entirely on prohibition and dependent on its continuance. Insys are in the company of the makers of spice, bath salts etc. and are just one more example of how prohibition has distorted the drugs market. Is it any wonder they are paying big money to distort the election and bribe politicians?

    • jean valjean says:

      If there is a gateway between cannabis and opiates it’s prohibition. That’s what you get when you hand over distribution of in-demand commodities to criminals. The guy who sells you weed will probably be able to sell you any other drug too. Loretta makes no mention of that of course.

  43. “The DEA bans kratom, another plant with healing powers.”

  44. drug-wielding device says:
    • DdC says:

      Bigger Wall?

      Those magnificent men and their flying machines
      Air Cannons, Pot Catapult, Mini Subs, Self-Propelled Semi-Submersibles, Tunnels, Drones.

      Of all serious crimes under the law, smuggling… least violates the consciences of men. It is a crime against law and against government, but not against morality. The smuggler robs no man. He buys goods honestly in one market and sells them honestly in another. His offense is against an arbitrary regulation of government…. he simply fails to pay its demands. Many men otherwise honest are unable to see any moral turpitude in smuggling. …government, in exacting toll, plays the part of the highwayman.”
      — “The Kaasan Bay ‘Find,'” editorial,
      The Oregonian, Jan. 21, 1886, p. 2

  45. “Pot Prohibitionist Kevin Sabet Violates Massachusetts Drug Law” – at

    • jean valjean says:

      The video at the end of the article is a hoot: “Hey Kevin, welcome to Massachusetts….”

    • Will says:

      That’s just too good. Kevin Sabet, the newest face of black market drug smuggling. Jeez Kevin, we hardly knew ye…

      El Chapo is surely impressed.

    • Will says:

      Actually Kevin, now that your secret double life has been revealed, here’s a suggestion: In order to be a more successful smuggler of illicit substances, you’re going to have to learn how to better secure your ‘product’. If for no other reason than to be anointed with a respectful nickname as most other successful drug lords have earned. You don’t want to become known as ‘El Grande Gummi Dummy’.

      • Frank W. says:

        If he’s getting edibles through the airport I’d like to know how he does it so I don’t do it myself by mistake.
        “Virtue is its own reward”

    • Servetus says:

      For Kevin Sabet, this was his George H. W. Bush crack-cocaine-across-from-the-White-House moment. It comes immediately after the Skittles-meme scandal by mini-Drumpf. What an action team the trio would make: The Three Prohibiteers. An edibles manufacturer could market the meme as a new Three Prohibiteers cannabis candy bar.

    • jean valjean says:

      This really is too good to be true:

      ‘The other panelists seemed taken aback by the impromptu display, especially considering the biggest proponent of harsh marijuana laws in the room was claiming to have one ounce of a Schedule 1 narcotic. According to a report from Dr. Keith Saunders of Boston Pot Report, sometime in the aftermath of the demonstration, Sabet lost track of his (half) precious cargo. Saunders witnessed Sabet frantically searching for the bags before claiming, “Someone stole the edibles. After warning the nation for years about the dangers of marijuana products being left out for curious children, Sabet had suddenly found himself in a heaping pile of his own potent medicine….

      ‘Madeline Martinez: I was a bit overwhelmed by [Sabet’s] presentation, quite frankly. I’ve never been in a situation with someone that was so dogmatic, to the point where he was sweating profusely. I just didn’t expect that from him. I expected to be on a panel with a calm person and, he was anything but calm. All of a sudden, he brings out these bags and says, “one of these two is medicated. One is an edible, but you can’t tell the difference. This is what is being sold. This is why children are in danger.” He told us that was, in fact, true. He handed them to me. I was sitting there and he was just like, “here.” I just said, “whoa.”’

    • Hope says:

      Since Kaptinemo isn’t here to say it, I guess I’ll say it.

      Looks like Kevin might have been “Hoisted on his own petard”. Thoroughly.

  46. DutchToRegulateCultivation says:

    The bill has been available for some time, but until now, there just wasn’t a majority willing to approve it. This is the first time in Dutch parliamentary history that there’s been a majority for the regulation of cannabis cultivation.

    “The Netherlands should again be a model country. The criminal sector is flourishing and there’s a fire hazard in an estimated 50,000 places, even in residential areas.”
    –D66 parliamentarian Vera Bergkamp

  47. What I find to be a very good assessment of our current state of affairs with regards to marijuana legalization:

    “NORML Talks The State Of Cannabis In The USA”

  48. allan says:

    blatant self promo… I know there’s a couple of Appleseed fans here so I thought I’d drop this off. I’ve just put together her 2017 calendar. Just click on my name (“warning” – nsfw content) to view. Remember, when I’m dead and famous these will be a collectors’ item and will be worth a ton of money. Maybe… oh! and the 2017 cannabis calendar will be ready end of Oct.

    Thank you and I now return you to the drug war, still in progress.

  49. Mouth says:

    NPR and the BBC has been talking a lot about the police shootings in Tulsa and Charlotte. One commentator jumped into how the War on Drugs created the scenarios of how police are actually afraid of unarmed black men. Prohibition spread crime, corruption and violence like melted butter on hot toast and in response, the U.S. citizens in the 80’s and 90’s requested more police presence and more frisk and searches to reduce the violence and drugs. After 9/11, the police had ample practice and more authority to do stop and frisks.

    My almost year long vacation in Baghdad has left me to believe (with the same kind of conviction leaving me to sincerely
    believe 1+1=2) that the War on Drugs is financing the war in Syria. We all know that the Russian Mafia are utilizing drug money from Central Asia to buy weapons, thus sold to Ass-odd through the Russian military. Human nature is mostly the same throughout the world and the new movie with Jonah Hill, ‘War Dogs’ leads me to conclude there is a Russian version of this. Putin realizes drug prohibition has intoxicating affects on his power. Where I lived, we had Russian Mafia locked away in the CIA prison 30 yards away from my house (which used to be an Iraqi maintenance building for the airport.) All I know is that I could throw a football over the wall and some imprisoned Russian would have known about it and I throw like a girl . . . that’s how close I lived with Al Qaeda, Latin American drug traffickers, Russian Mafia, Italian Mafia, Asian Triad etc. Conflict loves drug money far more than Jim Morrison liked his whiskey, weed and coke.

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