News that the war on drugs is on its way out is slow to reach certain areas

Those of us who are information consumers and see the long-term inevitability of reform should be reminded now and then that some people are completely oblivious.

This hit me again today as I read this strangely clueless article:

What’s next in war on drugs?

OLEAN — News that Chautauqua County was recently added to the High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area (HIDTA) list could affect law enforcement efforts in neighboring Southern Tier counties as well. […]

“Funding is still one of the biggest priorities,” said Lt. David Bentley of the Chautauqua County Sheriff’s Office and a member of the Southern Tier Regional Drug Task Force for more than 20 years. “We need more people for this fight we’re in.”

Since Chautauqua County was included in the HIDTA just a few weeks ago, officials are “still trying to figure out what to do with HIDTA,” said Lt. Bentley.

Rep. Susan Brooks, R-Indiana, a former U.S. attorney from Indianapolis, said HIDTA will “bring another layer of bureaucracy, but it does bring a lot of resources.” She urged Chautauqua County to make sure it has a representative on the New York-New Jersey HIDTA in order to secure competitive funding.

Of course, the war on drugs looks a lot more interesting when your big problem is figuring out what to do with the money.

And here’s someone who clearly has not been keeping up:

Lt. Bentley said there is a lack of a deterrent for heroin and other drug sales. “People are not being put away for long enough,” he said, calling jail time “a mild to moderate business expense.”

I was also interested by this little tidbit, where a politician seemed to momentarily recognize one of the problems of the war on drugs and then everyone’s brain immediately shuts down. Watch it happen…

Assemblyman Joseph Giglio, R-Gowanda, who also attended the roundtable held at The Depot at the Cattaraugus County Campus of Jamestown Community College, said the heroin problem has spread to all parts of the state. Interstate 88, he said, “is a conduit” for drugs coming into the Southern Tier. Heroin use is an unintended consequence of law enforcement’s fight over first prescription drugs and meth, he added.

Rep. Reed said that illegal drug use and sales doesn’t end at the county line, and encouraged Chautauqua County’s Drug Task Force and that of the city of Jamestown to continue to partner with their counterparts in area counties.

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44 Responses to News that the war on drugs is on its way out is slow to reach certain areas

  1. claygooding says:

    There it is for all to see,,law enforcement is dedicating all it’s resources towards more funding from the federal government,,,so if the crime committed against you doesn’t benefit their goal for more funding it won’t get much attention,,,perhaps that is why violent crimes are 80% unsolved according to the FBI Crime Report.

  2. darkcycle says:

    The nipple on that tit is still hanging out there. And for every nipple on the drug war tit, there are multiple mouths looking to attach themselves. Once a mouth has attached itself, it ain’t going to let loose unless it is pried loose.
    I would hardly expect anything else.

  3. primus says:

    They’ll lose interest when the tit dries up and let go on their own.

  4. allan says:

    I say we make bacon and get rid of the teat, the pig and the trough.

    After seeing a news report on M91 last night I’m feeling purty damn disgusted. After all these decades and I’m still hearing “what about the children?” I’m about to vomit.

    Yes, Damitol!® what ABOUT the freaking kids?

    I swear, I’m just gonna cut off the soles of my shoes, sit in a tree and learn to play the flute.

    mmm… yesterday’s mental meanderings gave a whole new context to the phrase “stay high.” I was walking over to the store and I knew the goose hunters were twixt me and the store. On my walk across the fields every flock of geese flying near I would say, “stay high.” Meant it too. But I had to chuckle when it first came out.

  5. MJ Verite says:

    See what happens when you give away guns and money? Hmmm… where on the CSA schedule should those things fall?

    When can we get “the authorities” into treatment, and how much will it cost us?

    Holy S#$% this drug war thing is expensive.

  6. Next time someone in congress wants to go looking for something to cut with their scissors, instead of talking about cutting give away programs and social security they need to look look at the savings there would be if they cut out the ONDCP and rescinded the Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1988.

    How to End the War on Drugs

  7. DonDig says:

    “A Jamestown Police Department representative suggested ending public assistance to families where there is an arrest for drug use or sales.”

    The police representative is suggesting legislation that will certainly help improve life and public safety for everyone as well.

  8. Dante says:

    How much longer will it take until all Americans understand that the war on drugs IS the problem, rather than a solution? The evidence is overwhelming.

    We get it, why can’t they? Probably because most people who continue to support this war are earning their living by doing so. In the end, we cannot convince the selfish drug warriors to derail their own gravy train. They are self servants, not public servants.

    Drug warriors = the real terrorists.

  9. kaptinemo says:

    Face it; for most people to want to seriously end the madness, they have to be raked by its claws and bitten by its fangs. It’s gotta be personal enough for them to want to stop it NOW.

    Its not enough to have an intellectual stake in ending it; that’s existed for decades. And, as past experience has shown, the American people still don’t believe that, like Esau of the Bible did with his birthright, their most basic freedom – personal sovereignty – was traded away long ago for a bowl of pottage, promises the Gub’mint cannot and will not ever make good on…such as creating a ‘drug free society’ for ‘The Children’.

    Though, now, just as Professor Whitebread said so long ago, now that the prohibition meant to hurt the THEM is hurting the US who created it, it is being removed. Slowly, steadily, and it would go a lot faster if our own money wasn’t being used against us. But it’s finally going.

    Society always has to drag its social troglodytes along with it, if only to remind it of where it’s been…and to not go there again. Proponents of prohibition are perfect examples. Living exhibits of failed policy who belong in a museum display and are – dangerously – still at large.

    • claygooding says:

      I think a lot will hinge on the number of known prohibition supporting legislators that lose to reform candidates and there are some races starting to hinge on reform,,the more these races heat up,the more marijuana is debated,,the faster this process will go. IMO

      Another subject but hat’s off and a bong hit to Howard Wooldridge (LEAP) for his participation in the UN panel on marijuana legalization’s impact on other nations.

      International Impacts of the U.S. Trend toward Legal Marijuana

      Howard is towards the end and that is all I will reveal because I am enjoying my first Pineapple Express right now and all is well.

      Howsomever it is amazing the entire panel of “Experts” did not factor in one thing,,,there is a statistic to prove that any state can double available tax dollars for education,infrastructure and social programs by stopping persecuting marijuana users and taxing marijuana,,the savings from ending prohibition plus the tax revenue will more than cover any law enforcement’s loss of Federal funding and perhaps we can buy our police back.

  10. Frank W. says:

    It may be VERY slow in burnt-red southern Oregon, which rushed to enact moratoriums on dispensaries toot sweet. And, as if 91 has already passed:

  11. Servetus says:

    It’s clear the Chautauqua County Sheriff’s Office isn’t up to the job of purging illicit drug consumption in the county, yet they’re tasked with doing it anyway. They may get funded, but excess money and personnel will produce diminishing returns, whereby the drug task force becomes a public nuisance in addition to being an expensive failure.

    A major problem is various subcultures in the U.S. see the drug war as successful. The American Taliban has turned drug interventionism into a convenient tool of oppression or subjugation. For example:

    Mr. Prutsman urged law enforcement and others combating addiction to involve the faith-based community in its partnerships. “It is critical,” he said. “They know how to deal with families.”

    Deal with families, indeed. Confronting a failure to persuade, certain self-righteous prohibitionists resort to forced conversions, or eliminationism, like kicking a family member out of the house. This despite the fact that there is no historical record of large-scale forced religious conversions of Jews being ultimately successful in Hapsburg Europe, nor is there any record of a completely successful conversion in the case of indigenous populations in Central, South and North America during the Spanish colonial period. People may adopt an occasional new religious tenet if they see it’s in their best interests, but they generally don’t dispose of the old ones.

    In each and every case, what keeps people safe from their own drug habits is a mandated social tolerance. It’s one that allows a person to exist despite their heretical, personal lifestyle. It provides ease of access to truthful drug information. The successful use of NARCAN to counter opiate ODs is an example of tolerance.

    Drug enforcement per se is the opposite of tolerance. As a job, it attracts intolerant people to its fold: authoritarians with a lock-‘em-up attitude, religious psychopaths, financial and political opportunists, anti-intellectuals, racists, and so forth. Pathologically organized and/or blind intolerance such as that found in drug enforcement, as well as in massive religious persecutions, are the real threats to society, not the drugs.

    • kaptinemo says:

      More and more, Nietzsche’s observations concerning those who trumpet that their officially sanctioned, DrugWar-sired predations are ‘justice’ keeps coming to mind:

      “In all their lamentations soundeth vengeance, in all their eulogies is maleficence; and being judge seemeth to them bliss.

      But thus do I counsel you, my friends: distrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful!

      They are people of bad race and lineage; out of their countenances peer the hangman and the sleuth-hound.

      Distrust all those who talk much of their justice! Verily, in their souls not only honey is lacking.

      And when they call themselves “the good and just,” forget not, that for them to be Pharisees, nothing is lacking but—power!”

      Dante would have had to construct another Circle in Hell to contain the sins of the DrugWarriors. Sins committed in their ignorant, self-righteous piety.

  12. Dr Baloney says:

    The junk science behind Joseph Perrone:

    “Doctor Scoffs At Lung Cancer, Cigaret Link”

    Perrone supposedly did a five-year study exonerating the tobacco industry from its links to cancer. “Cigaret smoking does not cause lung cancer, Dr. Joseph Perrone of Mercy Hospital declared here yesterday.”

    “The cigaret theory just doesn’t make sense,” Said Dr. Perrone.

    Here he is some decades later:

    • Frank W. says:

      The sensible comments for that article are good evidence that the WaPo is finished as a legitimate source of journamalism.

      • Here is an interesting takedown by a commenter called chaos1 at the post:

        “Read more about the fraud “non-profit” group that the Post is inexplicably giving free space to here:

        A sample:

        Berman & Co., helmed by Rick Berman (who was once called “Dr. Evil” by CBS’ “60 Minutes”), has a long history of running campaigns on behalf of the food and beverage industry under the banner of the Center for Consumer Freedom. Earlier this year, CCF changed its name to the Center for Organizational Research & Education , according to documents filed with the Government of the District of Columbia and the North Carolina Secretary of State’s Office, which were obtained by The Huffington Post.

        The Post is either corrupt or has been played like a cheap fiddle.”

    • primus says:

      If that is the same Dr. Perrone, he is about 107 years old. The newspaper article in the first link, dated 1961 says he was at that time, 54 years old. Could it be his father or grandfather? Maybe he went into the family business of selling pseudo-science to the highest bidder.

  13. allan says:

    dog I hate having brain farts and not writing them down! But I love it when I do… 😀

    [note to self: ask Malcolm, Kap, Duncan, Clay, darkcycle… any that were at the ModBee Hive and elsewhere dealing with Linda, Q: did anyone archive, copy, save or can find that bit from Ms T where she says she’s getting X amt of $ (40K?) doing her anti-drug thing?]

    From the digging that is being done there is a trail being uncovered of SAM, Sabet, HIDTA(ONDCP) and community anti-drug grants and I’d wager one of my queen colas that was what Linda was bragging about.

    It’s a long running Prohibitionist scam. And having boobs does not prevent one from being a drugwar profiteer.

    So if anyone here on the couch can come up with that I have a major phattie with your name on it.

    It was on one of those archaic UBB sites that were our teeth cutting bread and butter.

    • malc says:

      My recollection: One of us made her believe he was a sympathizer, and wanted to help her fight the good fight. There was correspondence via internal private message on ‘Political Crossfire’. Said person then exposed Taylor in a public post. Hadn’t she offered to fix him up with $1500 a month?

  14. allan says:

    I suspect it’s gone and buried in the wwweb abyss… I did just find her on Twitter, so the twit is tweeting! I bet she’s a Twittering sensation…

    • It's a Skyaam I tell ya! says:
      • Duncan20903 says:


        For the love of god what the heck did I ever do to you to make you post a link to Linda Taylor’s Facebook page on me frackin’ birthday? At least I didn’t see this until…hey wait a second. That isn’t Ms. Taylor…that’s Shamu! Oh well, never mind. Carry on.

    • It's a Skyaam I tell ya! says:

      Maybe this is what finally shut the silly fucker up?

      “”you know I remember way back when she was with a dude name Lonnie butcher and she got drunk all the time and she loved to smoke weed and now she comes on here with all that bull shit u need to remember linda the shit u where into now ur clean so u think you can run ur fuckin mouth about  whatever u want check ur own shit first I been to ur  house I remember the way u lived and now ur better then everyone else you talk a lot of shit  don’t forget where u come from  I did see u where standing alone when talking ur shit so good luck with that””

      Posted by toweq 9 months ago

    • kaptinemo says:

      I recall that well, about 7 years ago. The thread was officially shut down, with the reformers winning.

      When the suspicion was voiced that she was nothing more than a mercenary, she started to get very cagey about disproving it. It would probably take a FOIA suit to find out from ONDCP if individuals are receiving grants…and under what bureaucratic subterfuge it’s being authorized. For, if she has been receiving money from Uncle Sam for her endeavors, it’s almost certainly from them.

  15. thelbert says:

    want legal cannabis? it’s legal in alaska, according to alternet:

    • Duncan20903 says:


      It’s de facto, not de jure legal in Alaska. It’s only “legal” in your private residence and it’s only petty possession and petty cultivation. While better than the proverbial sharp stick in the eye there’s a whole heckuva lot more to essential liberty than sitting on the couch in Mom’s basement.

      One of the nicer things about it is that because it’s based on the Amendment to the State Constitution voted into existence on Election Day 1972 which gave Alaskans a very strong right of privacy in their private lives so the prohibitionists can’t do a damn thing about it unless they lobby to have that right to privacy repealed. That’s not from lack of trying. In 1990 the Alaskan voters approved a ballot initiative which implemented an unconstitutional law that purported to “re-criminalize” cannabis which was struck down by the Alaska Court of Appeals in 2002. The Alaska Supreme Court had no interest in hearing the prohibitionist appeal in 2003 making the decision from the Alaska Court of Appeals final.

      I’m a little vague on the details but I know that in 2006 the Governor and the Legislature were foaming at the mouth about getting it re-criminalized. But their efforts were for naught because one group of Alaskans/Americans simply can’t vote away the protected rights of another cohort of Alaskans/Americans.,_Amendment_3_%28August_1972%29 86.2%-18.8% now that’s a mandate from the people.

  16. Servetus says:

    Recently uncovered evidence indicates that 2,400 years ago, people knew marijuana was a treatment for cancer:

    October 18, 2014 – A team of Russian scientists has determined that the Siberian “ice maiden” likely died of breast cancer and used marijuana to treat the pain, The Siberian Times reports.

    An investigation of the mummified, 2,400 year old remains of the young woman indicates that the young woman died of breast cancer, and the researchers speculate that the marijuana found in her burial chamber was used to mitigate the pain it caused […]

    Natalia Polosmak, the archaeologist who discovered the young woman’s remains, said that the Pazyryks were familiar with marijuana and its analgesic effects. “Probably for this sick woman,” she speculated, “sniffing cannabis was a forced necessity.”

  17. mr Ikasheeni says:

    Yes the article is certainly a wake-up call to participate in this election. My friends in Jamestown need to see the movie Kill the Messenger. Business as usual!

  18. I want to say that you should go here:

    Best documentary on the drug war I have ever seen, and very up to date. They deserve the $13 for the movie, or take it to your local theater for a showing.

    Dammit, I cried watching it.

  19. Study shows no relationship between moderate adolescent cannabis use and exam results, IQ

    “Our findings suggest cannabis may not have a detrimental effect on cognition, once we account for other related factors- particularly cigarette and alcohol use. This may suggest that previous research findings showing poorer cognitive performance in cannabis users may have resulted from the lifestyle, behaviour and personal history typically associated with cannabis use, rather than cannabis use itself.

    • claygooding says:

      I am afraid that lowered IQ is going to be another marijuana mythical zombie along with the gateway and schizo myths.
      And it is more the fault of Hollywood and our ability to laugh at ourselves that caused it.
      Stoners knew the IQ loss was bogus without anyone researching it further because we already knew it from experience but anyone should have been able to reason out that with the numbers of college students that used marijuana for the last 4 decades of the miraculous technological and scientific advancement stoners lead the pack,,stoner legislators are sitting in Congress and the last 4 Presidents are stoners,,although Bush proves marijuana can’t fix stupid it sure didn’t make him lose any ambition.

  20. Frank W. says:

    Mandi Puckett, who wrote most of the Measure 91 “No” arguments in the voters’ pamphlet, is currently on the Jefferson Exchange radio program this morning. It will be rebroadcast tonight. Host Geoffrey Riley sets new standards for slack jawed acceptance of bullshit.

  21. Crut says:

    Reports on the failure of the War on Drugs in Afghanistan are beginning to circulate, everyone put on their hardhats!

    Oh and this prohibitionist gem from the California Federal trial for Re-scheduling Cannabis:

    Government witness Bertha Madras, former White House Drug Czar deputy director under George W. Bush will defend the Schedule 1 designation.

    “Although more than 30% of current therapeutic drugs are plant-derived, no one currently eats or smokes foxglove plants to treat a heart condition, chews cinchona bark to alleviate malaria symptoms, or eats opium poppies to relieve post-surgical pain,” Madras writes

    I’m assuming nobody gets arrested for growing foxglove or a cinchona tree? Should somebody tell her? Nah, her rope has been ready for a while now I guess…

  22. allan says:

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    • darkcycle says:

      Anybody feel particularly inclined to suffer through this? I don’t.

      • Freeman says:

        Yeah, me neither. Heard it all too many times before already.

        Sounds like a lot of fanfare for something only Sebat and a few of the crew from the Reverberant Base Community would likely be interested in.

  23. DdC says:

    How Long Can Police Detain You While Waiting for a Drug Dog?

    Flashback: Oregon Prohibitionists’ ’98 Predictions About Marijuana

    Oregon Anti-Pot Campaign Makes the Case FOR Legalization

    5 Anti-Pot Advocates And Their Inner Stoner Spirit Guides

    Think the government must convict you of a crime before it can punish you for it? Think again.

    • Frank W. says:

      Wow, Russ Belville really knows the score in OR. Not only do I wish he’d called into the show yesterday to rebut Geoffrey Giraffe and Mandi Puckett, it also makes me thinks here’s a federally funded public radio show carrying water for propagandists (same old story).

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