Going to ridiculous lengths

What do they think they’re licensing?

Patients face ‘hoop-jumping’ to gain medical marijuana

Yet now that the state has enacted a medicinal cannabis law and just this month began distributing applications for would-be patients, the Chicago woman is still deciding whether to go through that process or simply continue to use the drug outside of the new legal channel.

She’s particularly concerned about having to submit her fingerprints to the state — Illinois is the only state that requires that of medical marijuana applicants — along with documentation of her Social Security disability insurance, proof of age and residency and a recent photo.

She’s never had to submit such information for the narcotics prescribed to her in the past, she noted.

“Boy, this is a lot of hoop-jumping to go through,” said Falco, 49.

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29 Responses to Going to ridiculous lengths

  1. mr Ikasheeni says:

    It has come to my attention of the prison employees union obstructing long overdue reform in ending prohibition drugs policy in many states. This is yet another troubling development that the labor movement shouldn’t be doing. It is not fair that our dues go to vested special interests to gratuitous persecution to stamp out use of substances less harmful than legal drugs.

    • Tim says:

      And now you know why Canada’s NDP (labour/socialist party) screwed over the cannabis community, even after the leader called for legalization. The unions stepped in and party bosses sabotaged the policy. (I’m looking at you, Brad Lavigne. Rot in hell.)

    • DdC says:

      Unions serve workers in spite of what they do. Same conflict when Scam Colombia was started by Clinton with Al Gore’s Occidental Oil buried under Indians graves. The Teamsters fought for the contracts for Sikorski helicopters to keep spraying poison onto Colombian kids. They justified it as protecting Union jobs making helicopters.

      Toxic Drift: Monsanto and the Drug War in Colombia

      Copter Stoppers

      Plan Colombia
      n 2000 the US Congress overwhelmingly passed a $1.3 billion bill, Plan Colombia, ostensibly to stop Colombian heroin and cocaine from reaching the US market. An amendment to divert $400 million to drug treatment was soundly defeated in spite of the fact that a recent Rand Corporation study had just found that dollar for dollar, drug treatment is 10 times more effective in stopping drug use than is interdiction. Plan Colombia provided $1.1 billion to buy helicopters and $200 million to spray crops with glyphosate (RoundUp Ultra). There had been no public outcry demanding that Congress involve us in Colombia’s 38 year old civil war. Support for Plan Colombia came from lobbyists working for the Colombian government, Bell Helicopter, Sikorsky Helicopter and Occidental Petroleum.

      Not to forget to mention cop unions, cage unions and Fat Pharma, Fossil Fools and the Cattleboyz.

      Lobbyists War Over Billions in Antidrug Aid

  2. Atrocity says:

    That isn’t medical marijuana, it’s genocide.

  3. claygooding says:

    Although most dispensaries will sell more potent strains the regulations and hoops growers and dispensaries have to jump through are passed on to the patient,,taxes and fees drive the price up and effectively block some patients from using the legal MMJ.
    Even brick has THC and cannabinoids and it works better than nothing.

  4. WTF Illinois? says:

    Let’s place the blame where it belongs.

    CANNABIS ACTIVISTS who would even consider that crappy setup in the first place.

    MMJ laws that negotiate conditions are BULL SHIT.

    I’m so damn tired of AMERICAN STUPIDITY!

    • claygooding says:

      A lot of frustration causes people to accept these crude and untenable MMJ policies because we believe that as more citizens realize how beneficial hemp is to humanity reason will override fear mongering and greed..many of us here will tell you any legalization bill can be fixed,,the same for MMJ policies,,,none of this is permanent
      Once the science is taken away from the DEA all these CBD only and restrictive MMJ laws will evaporate.
      That’s how I see it Vern.

  5. Tony Aroma says:

    Seems like some of those “hoops” could be challenged. For example, anything that requires a patient to incriminate themselves with the federal government. Submitting your medical information to the FBI would mean you have to incriminate yourself with respect to a federal law in order to be compliant with the state law.

    All that aside, what a ridiculous article. OF COURSE the process is difficult! The people that wrote the law want to make its success as unlikely as possible. In their eyes, the fewer people helped, the better. Then when nobody signs up, they can say they tried, and all those people really just wanted to get high, otherwise they would have gladly jumped through any hoops.

    • definition of hoop jumping:

      adding complications and qualifiers to stop or slow the number of applicants and cause unwarranted difficulties to the process to make it fail

    • Daniel Williams says:

      Drug policy reformers stepped all over themselves for decades saying medical marijuana was not a Trojan Horse for recreational use. We knew they were lying, they knew they were lying, and so did our opposition. And that’s why we’ve ended up with stupid and restrictive medical laws. Really, they just beat us at our own game.

      • allan says:

        Some drug policy reformers stepped all over themselves […]

        yeah, some even supported Bob Barr… wasn’t that a hoot!

        (sorry DW, just pokin’ ya 😉 ) (but it IS pretty funny…)

        • Daniel Williams says:

          No problem, Allan. Barr got my political cherry. But I did divorce myself from his campaign very early on. Not that it matters, but his position, however half-hearted, was ending drug prohibition.

          I should have added this caveat: drug policy reformers getting all the ink and the air.

      • claygooding says:

        But look how much more money they have spent trying to keep the fear going,,their obstinate untenable claims that marijuana is not a medicine is biting them in the ass now as other countries around the world are enacting MMJ laws,,,now the UN faces the same decisions the US DOJ faced of either cutting bait or fishing,,he cut bait and so will the UN because guess what,,marijuana is a medicine.
        That is why those memos exist.

        • Windy says:

          OT but related:

          Persons diagnosed with Lyme disease can use marijuana one of two ways. They can smoke it to reduce symptoms, or use cannabis oil to combat the condition. Rick Simpson, the man who pioneered cannabis oil, states that much of the healing qualities of the plant are lost in the smoke.

          As we reported in an earlier article, cooking cannabis or smoking it reduces up to 99 percent of its benefits.Advocates of cannabis oil state that it is not only an effective way to manage symptoms of Lyme disease, but can also help the body heal.

          Cannabis oil is an extremely concentrated substance that is extracted and reduced from a very high amount of cannabis into a substance with a good balance of THC and cannabinoids.

      • Duncan20903 says:


        So Daniel, when may I expect to see re-legalized cocaine and meth for recreation? It has been several decades since those substances were medicalized so don’t you think that it will be several decades hence before we see cannabis for enjoyment become legal?

        Has there ever been even a single medicine that has morphed from controlled substance to one which was approved for recreation?

        I sure would like for someone to sit down with me and ‘splain the process needed to cause the expected transmogrification of medicinal cannabis to recreational. Lots of people seem to believe it possible, so why won’t anyone ‘splain it to me?

        BTW, a Trojan Horse is not a stalking horse.

        One other thing is that neither working towards a goal of comprehensive medicinal cannabis patient protection and working toward ending the stupidity of the absolute prohibition of cannabis are mutually exclusive. It’s hardly valid to claim that all of us working vtoward the goal of ending this stupidity walk in lockstep and speak with one voice. Any conclusion that requires that presumption is incorrect on its face. But I’ll tell you what Danny boy, I hope that you don’t get to learn that lesson by watching one of your nearest and dearest take 2 years to die of leukemia. That was how I got to learn that whole plant exo-cannabinoid medicine is a valid medicine vand just how heinous it is to deny that medicine to those who would benefit.

        I often wonder if people like yourself, you know, the ones suffering from some degree of Stockholm syndrome, ever stop to think just how offensive it is to regurgitate the prohibitionist party line that medicinal cannabis is some kind of scam. That nonsense is only slightly less laughably absurd than believing that there’s some kind of central committee of potheads deciding tactics and dictating arguments and talking points in order to achieve a unified goal.

        Heck, even just the handful of regulars here can hardly agree on tactics. If you’re a fan of watching people squabble and argue all you need to do is put a few dozen cannabis reform advocates in a room and ask them to pick a subject for debate. You’ll get as much squabbling as you could ever desire but you’ll never get a consensus of a subject to debate.

        • Especially/this/part says:

          “I often wonder if people like yourself, you know, the ones suffering from some degree of Stockholm syndrome, ever stop to think just how offensive it is to regurgitate the prohibitionist party line that medicinal cannabis is some kind of scam.”

          Thanks Duncan!

    • DdC says:

      Easier to change the title, than to deal with Constitutional infringements. The Neocongress simply repealed the Marihuana Tax Act, then renamed it the Controlled Substances Act and lumped in Hemp.

      Leary v. United States
      395 U.S. 6 (1969), is a U.S. Supreme Court case dealing with the constitutionality of the Marihuana Tax Act of 1937. Timothy Leary, a professor and activist, was arrested for the possession of marijuana in violation of the Marihuana Tax Act. Leary challenged the act on the ground that the act required self-incrimination, which violated the Fifth Amendment. The unanimous opinion of the court was penned by Justice John Marshall Harlan II and declared the Marihuana Tax Act unconstitutional. Thus, Leary’s conviction was overturned. Congress responded shortly thereafter by repealing the Marihuana Tax Act and passing the Controlled Substances Act to continue the prohibition of certain drugs in the United States.

  6. DdC says:

    Incremental Retardation keeps us in fairy tales and wishful thinking that in spite of the lies behind cannabis prohibition and the lies and gossip demonizing it. Another 40 years of appeasing the liars will eventually bring us the freedom to use it. Fat Pharma will just see the light and the trillion made so far will be written off. Obama can remove cannabis as the bogus controlled substance act places it. Any less or any individual state laws without jurisdiction over the feds is just driving around in circles. State laws are band aids, doing good for a few while the rest still suffer. The logical conclusion would be to stop letting the DEA lacerate us so we have no need of buying their Band Aids.


    The only logical, Constitutional, Moral, Ethical, Economical solution is for Obama or even Holder to remove Cannabis in all forms as a Controlled Substance. The Band Aid State laws do save lives and are less traumatic in civilized places. No doubt, but there are still Ganjawar casualties and harm being done to American citizens in over half the country. Band Aid laws have been geared to tax and profits more than benefit to the people, especially sick people. Hemp is jobs and a renewable resource to boost family farmers lives that bypasses the Wall St multi national Neocorporatists selling competition. The government private industry Prohibition Inc has been feeding us red herrings, gossip media passing it on, stalling, lying, intimidating kids and caging adults. Big plea bargain urine testing industry and the mandatory rehabilitation asylum to be rehabilitated against relieving seizures or pain. The other white meat over private prison profits.

    Nixon and 60s War Broker democrats, the Neocons have been selling this “cold” war over 4 decades and still no victims outside of what prohibition causes. Militarization of the police by the same over zealous policy that created DARE propaganda for kids. Paid by tax dollars that “shooting casual drug users” would fix the problem. Bringing tanks and military weapons to show and tell for the kids to fear drugs. Then advertise mostly side effects every 20 minutes on drug commercials while they’re watching cartoons.

    Reich v Gonzales made all exchanges a federal offense. In CA, state cops cannot enforce federal laws, or assist. So all exchanges either selling or giving it away has absolutely nothing to do with state law enforcement or the Compassionate Use Act. Being a citizens initiative, no politician can change it. Or supplement it other than as a recommendation or voluntary basis. To insert zoning laws to curtail Cannabusinesses is another of the long line of obstructions the government has done for the vested ignorant.

    So we are a majority and we can tell Obama to change it without Congress. If we want it then we shall have it. If we delegate it to someone else it probably won’t. Compromising on lies isn’t truth or reality. Everyday send Obama a message to remove it and permit the 20,000 studies to testify instead of one mans 45 year old lie known as the controlled substance act. Then remove the Souder racism gutting of the Higher Education Act and all penalties for using it. From eviction to being banned from organ transplants. Americans getting DEAth sentences and Life in cages while other Americans walk into a dispensary or even have a menu of various products delivered to their door. As it should be everywhere.

    All of the players bartering for crumbs, lapsing in memory that it is all based on lies. Not laws of physics, human fabrications to sell prohibition. Over a trillion dollars in sales, and counting. The overwhelmingly vast majority of drug worriers make a living or huge profits on prohibition. Treating misery, they create or in most cases. Get a paycheck and do their jobs without question, Unscrupulous Universal copsoldiers saving the world from hobgoblins. End the Political Persecution of Citizens choosing Nature over Fat Pharma, Ag and Fossil Fools. Remove Cannabis as a Controlled Substance. If someone see’s America, please send her home.

    KannaLife signs new license agreement with NIH

    “Casual drug users should be taken out and shot.”
    –x LAPD Chief Daryl Gates
    Father of SWAT Founder of DARE

    Think of the message being sent to the kids?

  7. Duncan20903 says:


    Marijuana news: Former Oregon addictions expert appears in new legalization ad

    Is it my imagination or is the ratio of defectors from one side of the table to the other side some ungodly magnitude larger among the cohort of cannabis/drugs law reform than among the prohibitionist parasites? I can rattle off names for hours on end of people who have joined us on our side. For their side I can name Paul Chabot. Oh for crying out loud he’s campaigning for election to Congress this year. But does he really count since he defected at age 12?

    Ooops, I’ve just given myself a flashback to 1990 when my very first NORML meeting featured Eric Sterling as the keynote speaker.

    • allan says:

      Oregon will be seeing legalization ads worth some $2.3 million in the coming months in the Portland and Eugene areas primarily. We’ve also added a new LEAP speaker…


      Former Chicago prosecutor, 5 years in Afghanistan…

      … welcome to Oregon Calvina, we’ll see you in autumn. Bring Kev-kev with you. Hell, bring the whole crew. lol… it’ll be harvest time, bring your scissors and a rolling tray. 😀

      Speaking of which, my girls have reached puberty.

      • allan says:

        Just learned that Kev-kev will indeed be touring OR as part of the NO on 91 cartel, being led by Josh Marquis of the OR Dist Atty’s Ass(oc).

        • DdC says:

          Just Say No Redux
          Taxpayers will pay for an anti-drug campaign—timed to hit just before the November vote on legalizing pot.
          But an opposition campaign is taking shape—and it will run parallel to a federally funded anti-drug tour scheduled to make the rounds in Oregon a week before voters receive their mail-in ballots.

        • Duncan20903 says:


          I really wish that someone would throw a bucket of water on Ms. Calvina. I really want to see if it works. If it does perhaps I’ll be able to figure out how the heck you would perform an autopsy on a puddle of melted witch.

  8. DdC says:

    White Men Get Rich from Legal Pot, Black Men Stay in Prison
    Michelle Alexander: alternet

    “Here are white men poised to run big marijuana businesses, dreaming of cashing in big—big money, big businesses selling weed—after 40 years of impoverished black kids getting prison time for selling weed, and their families and futures destroyed. Now, white men are planning to get rich doing precisely the same thing?”


  9. DdC says:

    Five Legal Urban Myths People Should Stop Spreading
    Not knowing your rights and not having any rights are the same thing. They are called your rights for a reason. Know them and use them.


    Why Police Officers Lie Under Oath
    Drug Czar is Required by Law to Lie
    Police officials lied to toughen laws…
    Joe McNamara

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