Open Thread

I’m in New York all this week. I’ve got 16 students with me for a week of walking tours and Broadway shows. It’s pretty much a non-stop schedule, so I won’t be able to post much. Not even sure I’ll have time to read much in the news, so let me know what’s going on that’s important in comments (you always do, anyway!)

I’ll say “Hi” to CJ if I run into him.

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78 Responses to Open Thread

  1. stlgonzo says:

    Here is one to keep an eye on. Food poisoning blamed on LSD. LSD does not cause the symptoms the family had.

    Fla. family hospitalized, pregnant mom in induced labor, after eating LSD-laced meat

    • Duncan20903 says:


      Actually you should remember that ergot is a mold that grows on rye bread and is used to produce the precursor chemical required to synthesize LSD. “Food poisoning” is a catch all term for a bunch of different food contaminants. The symptoms of e coli are different than salmonella but both are called food poisoning. But there’s no doubt that LSD can be “associated” with food poisoning.
      Ergot contains no lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) but instead contains ergotamine, which is used to synthesize lysergic acid, an analog of and precursor for synthesis of LSD. Moreover, ergot sclerotia naturally contain some amounts of lysergic acid.

      Human poisoning due to the consumption of rye bread made from ergot-infected grain was common in Europe in the Middle Ages. The epidemic was known as Saint Anthony’s fire, or ignis sacer, and some historical events, such as the Great Fear in France during the Revolution have been linked to ergot poisoning. Linnda R. Caporael posited in 1976 that the hysterical symptoms of young women that had spurred the Salem witch trials had been the result of consuming ergot-tainted rye. However, Nicholas P. Spanos and Jack Gottlieb, after a review of the historical and medical evidence, later disputed her conclusions. Other authors have likewise cast doubt on ergotism as the cause of the Salem witch trials.

      Not that anything posted above means that the news article linked above isn’t wholesale, 100% pure bullshit. I often implore the sycophants of prohibition to write fiction that bears at least some passing resemblance to reality. All they had to do was to make the carrier food rye bread and they’d have fooled a whole lot more people than just the wholly ignorant. Walmart even sells fresh, baked in store rye bread so they could have accomplished their goal of trying to make Walmart look bad without involving another brand name.

      But c’mon, who the heck would head to the meat department if intent on lacing food with LSD for whatever lunatic’s reason that he wanted to do that? Did they eat the meat raw? It isn’t like LSD is very stable molecule. Heat destroys it without much effort.

      Like I said, not even a passing resemblance to reality. Let’s keep our eyes open…in a couple of weeks I think we’re going to see certain people change from being cast as victims to being perpetrators arrested for fraud. Some people don’t like WalMart but they know how to defend themselves and they’ve got the money to get the job done. The story is just plain bullshit.

    • tensity1 says:

      Why the hell can’t I get LSD-laced 80/20 ground beef in the 3-lb rolls? That would make my Cincinnati Chili recipe not just awesome, but for the gods.

  2. Matthew Meyer says:

    I don’t see enough details in the story to have a strong opinion of whether it matches LSD intoxication or not. I’m curious what cooking would do to LSD…how stable is it when exposed to heat?

    • Curious says:

      The symptoms may be a match for Listeria —a certain sub-type of which is called “L. monocytogenes LSD530”

      Muscle aches

      If the listeria infection spreads to your nervous system, signs and symptoms may include:

      Stiff neck
      Confusion or changes in alertness
      Loss of balance

      I’m betting on lazy or confused journalism.

  3. claygooding says:

    I just wanted to pass on a technique I have adopted for drying and curing fresh buds,,after trimming and drying sufficiently to move into jars or airtight curing containers heat the containers before filling them,,fill quickly and seal off while still hot to touch,,vacuum will speed drawing moisture and terpenes back into the dried portions of the buds,,it produces a finished product much quicker than using unheated containers.
    This technique can be used by big growers to get a quick test of buds before picking,,I have dried and smoked very good buds in 48 hrs while leaving some to cure in the old manner taking about 10 to 12 days,,,a little better flavor but no better buzz is noticeable..

    PS:If you burn up your ol lady’s hair dryer heating jars it ain’t my fault. Spend a few bucks at Harbor Freight anf buy the industrial hand held heater for removing decals and stickers,,,,save an azz whoopin.

    • Freeman says:

      Most excellent indeed, Allan. Just once, I’d like to see Dr. Silent K in a debate with someone like Neill Franklin. He just busted K’s favorite bubble of myths!

  4. allan says:

    more LEAP, from Stephen Downing:

    Thursday and Friday of next week (13-21 March 2014), world leaders and delegates to the UN Commission on Narcotic Drugs meet in Vienna to discuss drug policy. Let’s whisper wisdom in their ear. The organization, Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP), for which I serve on the the board of directors, is sending an international delegation to the convention – – and with them they will carry a proposed amendment to the U.N. Drug Treaties to end the war on drugs and provide for a health-harm-reduction and human rights-oriented convention.

    PLEASE SIGN OUR PETITION AND ENCOURAGE YOUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS AROUND THE WORLD to sign the petition to end drug prohibition so that we can hit the drug cartels and street gangs in the pocketbook and decimate their $500 billion a year drug prohibition business. Let’s control and regulate drugs, end mass incarceration, stop discrimination against the poor and minorities, reduce gang violence and addict crime, stop human rights abuses and treat drugs as a health problem.

    ASK THEM TO SIGN THE PETITION. Here is the link.

    Thanks for YOUR help!


    Stephen Downing

    Deputy Chief, LAPD (ret.)
    Executive Board Member
    Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
    “A red flag should go up anytime a person in a position of responsibility utters the words ‘zero tolerance,’ because that means they do not have the confidence to make a decision in their discipline, they do not have the compassion to see differences between situations, and they do not have the administrative or managerial skills to make the kind of decisions that create a thriving institution.”

    • allan says:

      I see many familiar names on that petition… *sniff*… that’s beautiful man…

      Thanks all! And if you haven’t signed yet, you otter!

    • Jean Valjean says:

      “Zero Tolerance” …. a politicians’ term for what the rest of us call “intolerance.”

  5. Servetus says:

    The ONDCP just released its annual package of lies and bad guesses from a RAND study obviously designed to make vast numbers of prohibidiotic jobs look necessary:

    Researchers say that drug users in the United States spent on the order of $100 billion annually on cocaine, heroin, marijuana and methamphetamine throughout the decade. While the amount remained stable from 2000 to 2010, the spending shifted. While much more was spent on cocaine than on marijuana in 2000, the opposite was true by 2010.

    “Our analysis shows that Americans likely spent more than one trillion dollars on cocaine, heroin, marijuana and methamphetamine between 2000 and 2010,” Kilmer said. (News release here)

    A trillion dollars, or a $hundred-billion annually? Does any drug cop really know what a trillion is? The entire 2012 U.S. GDP is listed at $15.68 trillion/year. Is RAND and the ONDCP claiming that nearly a trillion dollars went to Mexican cartels between 2000 and 2010, thereby contradicting themselves again about the cartels’ market influence?

    • claygooding says:

      They are actually making the case of taking the marijuana crop away from criminals even more imperative.
      Especially as our economy continues to wallow in corporate greed,,a lot of it based on the WOsD,,it is the only job creator on the market anybody can get in on,,one way or another,,even having illegal American growers is better than outsourcing the product,,at least they spend their profits in our economy and the banks don’t make a dime transferring all that money to Mexico.

  6. claygooding says:

    A real April Fool is coming to entertain us on Facebook,,Malcolm,,save your acct until after the 1st,,,,

    • B. Snow says:

      Wow! So, is that bastard actually doing a ‘Coast-to-Coast’ style tour?
      He seems to be out selling his “special-blend” of Moral Panic Madness, anywhere that will let him in and give him a stage to spew his “Big Marijuana” scare tactics from?
      MJ infused ring pops are gonna be marketed to your precious chitlins!

      He’s a shameless modern-ish version of The Music Man‘s protagonist:

      “con man Harold Hill, who poses as a boys’ band organizer and leader and sells band instruments and uniforms to the naive Iowa townsfolk, promising to train the members of the new band. But Harold is no musician and plans to skip town without giving any music lessons.”

      He’s replaced the “Ya Got Trouble” and its fake moral panic of local kids going to Pool Halls = who then proceed to behave like typical adolescents naturally do. I.E. – in ways that parents disapprove of – ways that parents are eager to blame on some outside culture, influence, or force = “Because they raised their kids better than that…”

      He’s replaced it with the moral panic of a legal, taxed, & regulated free-market of cannabis, where adults can have safely & easily access to it if they so choose.

      But worrisome parents and self-appointed public ‘moral authority’ figures, are dying to find ‘proof’ that its all someone or something else’s fault – preferably Satan.

      He happy to provide this for them – spinning his “Doom & Gloom” speeches about the evils of a legal market selling a commodity via normal means including advertising!
      Which is normally expected in any legal market – with some limits possibly on what hours such ads can play on TV, or the placement of the product in stores, that it must be kept ‘behind-the-counter’…

      Using his desperate catch-phrase Big Marijuana – banking on the inferred harm that’s now associated with “Big Tobacco” even though there’s no proof that the two have similar risk profiles tied to their use.

      IDK, if this guy really thinks he’s Robert Preston from the cast of the original play and the 1962 film version of The Music Man?
      OR maybe Richard Wayne “Dick Van Dyke” – from many later productions of the play – from London to New York?

      Somehow in all of that, there’s a (possibly) coincidental, Yet still awesome irony = a ‘Victor-Victoria’ connection. Maybe its something to due with Preston’s role as Carroll “Toddy” Todd.
      On top of, Dick Van Dyke’s (semi-unfortunate name being a double-entendre), who – also strangely – in ‘The New Dick Van Dyke Show’ – Van Dyke starred as ‘Dick Preston’ – that’s kinda odd.
      Plus, the fairly obvious (IMO) raging “Executive Transvestite” that often appears to be fiercely struggling – trying to burst out of Kevy-Kev’s ‘inner closet’… But he just doesn’t have that ‘Eddie Izzard’ style to pull it off successfully.
      There is definitely ‘sumthin funny’ going on in there somewhere! *chuckle*

  7. DdC says:

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    why we may truly be near the end of the war on drugs, my latest

  8. Plant Down Babylon says:

    Huffpo’s got no less than 5 cannabis related articles right now.

    Looks like Dr. Gupta is rocking for our side again, as well.

    Colorado is making lots of $$$.

    More and more Boomers are lighting up (or just now admitting it).

    Well, maybe I exaggerated, but it seems to be all up in the news these days. Makes me happy:)

  9. DdC says:

    Dr. Sanjay Gupta ‏@drsanjaygupta #WeedCNN
    Just landed in colorado. this is home base for new doc — cannabis madness. Tuesday mar 11 10 p est Here’s the trailer I investigate the politics of pot – politicians vs patients.

    The Weed Blog ‏@TheWeedBlog
    Federal Legislation Introduced To Create Guidelines For #Marijuana DUII … @jaredpolis

    The Raw Story ‏@RawStory
    Drug-laden drone found ‘hovering in vicinity’ of Australian prison

    Hemp Market Watch ‏@HempMarketWatch
    Legalize Canada with a $7 million dollar budget

    Bill Hicks.u2b

  10. cj says:

    It would be an honor pete.

  11. Howard says:

    Pete, don’t know if you and your students have time but the Whitney Biennial is going on. One cool thing to see would be Zoe Leonard’s giant camera obscura that takes up part of the 4th floor. I know, NYC, so much to see, so little time…

  12. Howard says:

    Dr. Sanjay Gupta’s “Weed 2” airs tonight on CNN at 10pm. Here’s a blurb;

    “Gupta said he’d reviewed reams of medical studies in preparation for the show, delving into the regulatory hurdles of getting medical marijuana accepted over the vested interests of giant drug companies, the medical colleges that teach doctors how to prescribe it, and the government regulators who are wedded to caution and the war on drugs.”

    Congress loves to trot out the drug warriors any time there’s a suggestion a drug policy change. Maybe it’s time to bring Dr. Gupta in for a hearing?

    • claygooding says:

      They have cut Sierra and Team Landon’s part of the show again,,she is waiting for Dr Gupta to explain why before she gives them their camera back they sent her to keep on Landon during filming,,they begged her for the exclusive rights and she wants Landon’s progress treating cancer with oil to be aired,,,understandable but one has to wonder if any mainstream media is ready to stand up and claim cannabis oil cures cancer,,,even if it does.

      What does this make Cancer research charities look like,,not that they missed it but why aren’t they testing hash oil on their own and fuck the government,,if curing cancer is their true goal?

      • Howard says:

        “What does this make Cancer research charities look like,,not that they missed it but why aren’t they testing hash oil on their own and fuck the government,,if curing cancer is their true goal?”

        Curing cancer is not their goal, the big business of cancer treatment is. Consider how downright prehistoric radiation and chemotherapy are as treatments. Poison a person to the point where you “hopefully” kill cancer before you kill the patient. Makes ancient bloodletting seem forward thinking.

        This lovely marijuana plant’s days of being thoroughly disruptive are barely beginning. And those who oppose the truth about the vast therapeutics of this plant seeing the light of day will be regarded as less than human (as we all know they already are).

        Gupta’s “Weed 2” will likely be flawed for reasons you mention. But there’s a momentum that’s gaining that will make his documentaries seem incomplete and amateurish as we continue down this road. It’s all coming due.

        • claygooding says:

          I figure they are saving the cancer cure show for the week before election night.

          Reform candidates will take prohibs out slicker than qwl snot.

  13. Servetus says:

    CNN is educating its viewers about the ‘the entourage effect’, the peculiar property noted by Dr. Machoulam in 1999 wherein “all the components of the cannabis plant likely exert some therapeutic effect, more than any single compound alone.” Way to go, CNN.

    The entourage effect shoots down the single compound, pharmaceutically-prepared, medical tradition favored by the FDA and SAM’s Kevin de Sabeteur.

    • Howard says:

      The entire western model of medicine is contrary to the “entourage effect” with respect to pharmaceuticals. Ever wonder why synthesized, concentrated compounds taken for certain ailments come with a laundry list of side effects? Because those compounds have been isolated from the natural world and come without the other naturally occurring elements they coexist with. And those other elements have both synergistic and mitigating influences. We humans think we can remove ourselves from natural, plant based medicines and take drugs we would never encounter in a plant, animal or mineral in natural form. Our crude animal bodies have not evolved to the point where we can take these isolated poisons without serious repercussions. But hey, we think we triumph over nature all the time, until nature swats us back down to earth. Repeatedly.

      As an example, watch “Statin Nation: The Great Cholesterol Cover-Up”. If any commenters here take statins, or have friends or family members who do, you/they need to see this documentary;

    • strayan says:

      This is a thing of beauty.

  14. primus says:

    This is beautiful; he will say that the bureaucrats, cops, DEA, ONDCP etc. all lied to the public and the politicians thereby leading us in the wrong direction. This will provide the politicians wiggle room to ‘evolve’ their position. The biggest problem with initiating change is that the decision makers don’t want to shoulder the blame for the mess. Once they have a whipping boy or several, they can play the blame game, fire a few of the worst liars, huff and puff about how dishonorable those liars are, and move to re-legalize.

  15. ezrydn says:

    Hey, Pete. Better take a horse carriage ride. May be your last chance.

    • claygooding says:

      Is that because the NY cop horse tried to screw his rider,,captured on a cell phone for everyone’s enjoyment?

      I suppose a horse screwing a pig would be to much nature for most people to handle.

      • John says:

        The new mayor wants to ban horses carriages in NYC I believe.

        • Duncan20903 says:


          Oh I’ll bet he doesn’t like horse poop. What’s wrong with people? Why ban the whole horse when all you need is a very large cork?

  16. thelbert says:

    Pete Guither: informing the young while reforming the old.

  17. Randy says:

    Thanks to everyone for all the great links!

  18. Jean Valjean says:

    Feinstein told us she was in favor of the NSA spying on the likes of you and me….now she’s become an outraged “liberal” on finding out the CIA has been spying on the Senate. Dianne, the personal is, and always has been, political and you should certainly know that.

    • Randy says:

      Liberals, and I use that term loosely, are all for state power until it’s turned on themselves. Funny how that works.

      Personally, I think most liberals should really be referred to as statists.

      • primus says:

        Most politicians who are members of parties are statists. Only independents can think and act for themselves, because they don’t depend on the party for validation. The parties control the individual pols through helping them raise money and get noticed in order to get elected. The independent does it on his own, with only local help, which is actually how it should be. Parties mess up the whole thing and because the parties are funded by the establishment, they kiss the establishment’s buttocks. When we vote for any party animal, we are voting for one of two predetermined choices, either of which will be great for the establishment and bad for we the people.

        • Windy says:

          Posted that (credit to you, primus) on my fb wall. It is true of most running under a party’s banner, even some Libertarians (re: Barr/Root as the perfect examples of statists in libertarian clothing).

    • B. Snow says:

      Yep, they actually give a damn if/when the spying is targeting them specifically! Somebody might find out there is/was wrong-doing & and massive lying – about nearly everything that goes on in the Intelligence Committee!

  19. Duncan20903 says:


    The DC Board of Elections has approved the ballot initiative language for the “Legalization of Possession of Minimal Amounts of Marijuana for Personal Use Act of 2014”
    That doesn’t put it on the ballot but it does get it over the hump. After arguing over the language and providing bureaucrats with a number of days of busy work, the petitioners need to collect 25,000 signatures to get it on the ballot. I’m actually shocked that it’s so easy to get an initiative on the ballot. It might be more accurate to call it a ballot suggestion since the DC Council can do whatever they like all the way up to and including kicking it to the curb for collection by the sanitation workers. If they don’t kick it to the curb then Congress can do so. Regardless, once it’s on the ballot it’s a slam dunk to pass by 60+% and even if all that’s all that happens it’ll sure sound sweet on the 11 O’Clock news nationwide on Election Day.

    Of course they need money, who doesn’t? They’re doing a fundraiser comedy/show dinner. Offering a live stream for $5 if you can’t make it. I’ll send ’em $5 but skip the show. That’s way past this old man’s bedtime.

  20. Sanjay Gupta Says Medical Marijuana Should Be Legalized Federally

    Can we hear some fireworks please? -thud

  21. primus says:

    So many thuds. Beginning to sound like a jackhammer.

    • Duncan20903 says:

      Who knew that they made such large dominoes? They were all regulation size when they started to fall.

  22. allan says:

    alright… somebody has cable, somebody watched Doc Gupta’s special and somebody better give the low down… eh, esse?

    • Windy says:

      I watched it, it was actually pretty good, though from our pov it could have been even better. However, from the pov of the average person who is NOT a long time member of the reform effort, it was likely very illuminating. Hmm, I seem to have misplaced a url, I visited a site with an article by Dr. Gupta earlier this evening but I cannot find it in my history, was going to drop the link as comments ARE allowed, I left one or three.

  23. B. Snow says:

    Yeah, but there is way too much “don’t want them to get high”, that and Gupta’s personal Obsession about “the brain is still developing until the age of 25…”

    (I believe that he only half right – That our brains’ are capable of continued development & adapting. And that – if you challenge your brain – it it’ll keep on developing and renewing, re-routing, repairing…

    This fixation on a marijuana as medicine (as in synthetic or extracted oil) and an anal-retentive fixation on a non plant medicine… “without the high”.

    Harping on & on about “low-THC/high-CBD” medical marijuana.
    Because, “We can’t have people getting high (OMG what a fucking nightmare!) God forbid people (Chitlins!) have to *suffer the side effects of a marijuana buzz*

    Oh, it’s unthinkable – they might even feel a little better than they would if they didn’t need the MMJ.

    “Epidolex come save us” – spare us the giggles, munchies, a better mood, a respite from whatever other symptoms that may still suck – and having to face the harrowing BONUS of a little “extra euphoria”.
    It maybe unnecessary (although I don’t think they’ve proved that) = And its far from harmful, immoral, or allegedly evil… Not that you’d know that by listening to the Authoritarian Nanny-Staters who “know better” than you do what is and isn’t “right” for you to be doing & when you’re supposed to be doing it.

    Particularlly if you were raised and brainwashed unto believing that pleasurable is synonymous with sinful…

    That comes from what they’re told about sex & they seem to think it applies to everything = that even a tiny bit of Hedonism is somehow akin to Heathenism.
    Evangelicals that think you’re only supposed to feel that sorta way in church – if you feel elated in worship that’s cool. (maybe – unless you make a show of it = Because That’s REALLY, REALLY Wrong!)

    In my experience they called it being “Filled with the Spirit”, and it was more of an urban myth or something other “Charismatic Protestant denominations did in their churches, down here in Texas some of them don’t even dance at the School Prom! (Its something to do with Moses – He went up the mountain, Came back to find them dancing & got mad thing) – so dancing for fun is just begging for Satan to tempt you into lusting after your dance partner… and thinking about it is as sinful as doing it. For whatever reason – they don’t seem to see the fault inherent in this “logic”?)

    Some Protestant denominations even frown on that – you can’t be too happy = you’re a sinner dammit! Life is supposed to suck – you can be happy in heaven after you’re dead! You’ll have forever to be happy then that’s why they call it ‘Everlasting Life’…

    But, you’ve only got a limited number of years to be pious – worshiping, serving, praising, and “Living for God” here on Earth! You aren’t meant to waste them with selfish worldly pleasures of the flesh & secular world.

    Or something like that – it depends on who you ask.

    • allan says:

      Thanks B…

      Funny isn’t how the ones that complain about the high are the ones not smoking it.

      Euphoria is not extra-terrestrial (tho’ I think life is fairly consistent thruout the omniverse). And for patients? Euphoria is beneficial to healing. I want pot when I get the flu. Depending on the symptoms of a cold a good puff almost instantly clears a whole bunch of mocos out.

      If we keep pressing, keep swinging those hammers, beating the ignorance and bigotry with sledges of fact… the argument will eventually get to the crux of the biscuit – freedom. And that is the core of our argument. Cognitive liberty. THERE IS NO CRIME IN GARDENING… and our kinship to the rest of creation is as sacred as any bond, anywhere. Freedom… too many great sacrifices to not fight for it. That and the alternative sucks.

      If I described my last visit w/ Tio Nanacatl to a straight person they’d be convinced I be a crazy sumbitch.

      Grampa Semu (and Rolling Thunder talks about it to some extent in Doug Boyd’s book on him) pretty much convinced me that some things just can’t be duplicated in the lab. Things happen to people that medical science can’t explain.

      What others have said here about western medicine is so spot on. We are literally being forced to the PharmaCorp model. 150 years ago, western medical doctors didn’t even know they should wash their hands. Yet certain traditional medicinalists have long known about the need for cleanliness.

      James Clavell in Shogun graphically drives home the point of how filthy Europeans were when they arrived in Japan. That lack of cleanliness has had some bad juju throughout western history.

      In terms of life on earth, western society is still huddled in a cave afraid of everything they don’t know. But they’ve convinced themselves that they’re smart…

      I’m really tired of the cannabigots running the show. Even if it’s coming from semi-enlightened beings like Doc Gupta.

      Looks like the local cage-liner will be running my oped – I call cannabis haters bigots and call the drug war a worse disaster than 9/11. I hope I pith thumbody off.

    • primus says:

      Why don’t Mormons have sex standing up? Because they fear gahd will think they are dancing.

      • allan says:

        *rim shot*

        When I run into Mormon boys on their missions (elders? they’re kids) I always introduce myself as Bishop Erickson. The initial reaction is pricelesss. I can actually see the wheels spinning…

    • Windy says:

      Good point, B. (above the rant) about the fear of the “high”.

      And good rant, too, that is exactly where all the prohibitions of certain consensual or solo non-rights-violating activities came from.

    • kaptinemo says:

      Look up “Apollonian vs. Dionysian”. You pretty much hit all the major buttons.

      And American corp-rat culture is strictly Apollonian to the point of treating workers like lab rats. It wants control over every aspect of your life, hence the drug testing. And the Apollonian attitude shows up in the legislation that the corporations want to be used as cudgels over the heads of the workers.

      Needless to say, “All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.” But what if that’s exactly what the American corp-rat culture wants? “Dull boys” (and ‘girls’) who toe the corp-rat line, and don’t get involved in politics? Who, by not getting involved, allow the corps to keep screwing things up? And, incidentally, keep screwing you up?

      There’s so much more to the reform movement than just changing the drug laws. It’s a move to push back the societal control mechanisms that were installed when the Apollonians grabbed power in this society some 30-40 years ago. It’s striking a blow, not just for cognitive liberty, but for all liberty. That’s why we have so much resistance. It’s so much bigger than just what you can put in your body at will.

      • Windy says:

        Those are the actual reasons the public school system was set up in the first place and why they used the Prussian model, they wanted people educated enough to follow orders and function in the work place (factories) but uneducated enough to be happy being simple cogs in the wheels of industry. It is one of the main reasons I support unschooling once the basic in reading writing and math are learned. The other reason is people learn easier and better in a non structured model and pursuing their interests and using their own special abilities. With the internet it would be easy to go back to the method of learning humanity practiced for all of history until schools were created in the 1800s. And with the internet they can learn so much more in less time than before public schools were created.

    • claygooding says:

      My take on marijuana and young brains is how did mankind ever get out of the Euphrates valley historically given as one of mankinds first farmer/villager sites when cannabis was one of their first crops,,since there were no low thc strains how did mankind ever get the drive and intelligence to cover the earth and invent all we have with cannabis grown and used by every age?

      And what about all the ancient technologies we cannot explain,,lost to us and we still can’t cut rocks and move stones as large into place. Where did all that come from if earth’s drugs harmed mankind that badly.

      It is after mankind fucks with it that it gets dangerous,,that is why it scares hell out of me to have Monsanto and pharmaceutical companies screwing with nature and cannabis.

      • Windy says:

        I agree with everything you wrote there, clay. In fact, that should be used as a comeback whenever the lies about “pot is so much stronger now, not your grandpa’s weed” and the amotivation word is spoken

  24. darkcycle says:

    Sorry I’ve been absent for a day or so, folks. But on the medical front in Wa., all is not well with the drug war. It’s trench guns and bayonets here. We’re in close quarters, and there isn’t room to swing a cat. But it ain’t passed yet, my testimony was heard on the floor, and I’ve been engaged in an impassioned argument via e-mail with Alison Holcomb, who has supported this bloody awful thing. I do believe she’s on the verge of reason, Sanjay’s special tonight hopefully will be a help, and we’re not truly sunk ’till 2015, when these measures are due to take effect. Still, that’s not long, and we need help. The MMJ community and the general legalization folks have GOT to find common ground, or we’re all sunk. It’s been the busiest 72 hours of my entire 8 year legalization journey. At this point, I don’t think it even matters if you’re from Wa. Write the Washington State Senate. Hell, pick a Senator at random. Tell ’em you won’t visit, or buy another Washington apple as long as you live. Whatever. I wanna CRUSH this thing.

  25. DonDig says:

    Regarding the CNN show tonight, it was more about the kids that might benefit from it regarding epilepsy than anything. Most of it was heart string tugging, not science or pushing the boundaries so much. I thought it was broadly good for the medical movement, and against prohibition to some degree. It came down to the children, this time as medicine, and why in the world are we keeping it from them, and/or forcing them and their families to give up their homes, and become refugees in Colorado to obtain it, since they can’t bring it back home with them. NJ and Christie looked pretty bad for a few moments, although they did finally allow edibles.
    Another interesting step in the dismantling of prohibition, don’t know if it will have more or less impact than the last one.
    No mention of cancer, ‘Simpson’ oil, any of that. Still progress is progress, and Dr. Gupta is good for doing it. He did clearly state that (medical) marijuana should be made legal at the federal level to end this craziness.

    • claygooding says:

      It screams that the government must be taken out of controlling medical research on marijuana,,which we and the govt knows means the end of prohibition of marijuana.

      It is forcing the DEA to come up with something more than handwringing and doom forecasts,,,states are already showing their reactions to SAM’s and the DEA cries of “Wolf”,,me thinks the villagers are not coming!

  26. darkcycle says:

    Okay…caught the second airing (or most, so far) of Sanjay’s “Weed 2” We start strong, but we descend into madness at the third commercial break. Nora Volkow is hailed as a remarkable conversion (gag..) and he introduces Stupid Patrick as a visionary trying to get cannabis to the people. (THAT statement caused my ceiling fan to be covered in spontaneous projectile diarrhea..). It looks like Dr. Sanjay isn’t a visionary after all, he’s part of the second trench. (MAY I just say, legalization has already established a solid position behind their second trench, and that effort is doomed. His special helps our momentum.) Too bad, Sanjay. I pronounce him SAM’s tool. But he’s helping us far more.

  27. primus says:

    The day is coming soon when someone advocating prohibition will be laughed down or called down and humiliated publicly a la McCarthy. Then it’s over. I really hoped that congressman interrogating Kerli’s replacement might be it.

    • claygooding says:

      If the US is going to quit “interfering” with other countries drug policies what do they need the ONDCP for?
      If they stand behind that,,especially since the NSA “spying” is tied in so tightly with the DEA,,how much participation in other countries will we get from now on,,,how much good solid intel can they expect today?

  28. Jules says:

    Another We The People petition for the rescheduling of cannabis. I know, they are pretty much destined to get nothing done but I love them being forced to answer.

    • B. Snow says:

      Okay, I just went and signed that, it has about 850 of the 100,000 needed – before March 29th, 2014.
      “requesting rescheduling of Marijuana from Schedule I and II as 18 members of Congress requested.”
      It could be worded better/clearer it refers to the Blumenauer Letter:
      (I’m borrowing a better description of the letter from JustSayNow)

      “Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-OR) along with seventeen other members of Congress sent to President Obama asking him to reschedule marijuana. The letter requests that Obama “instruct Attorney General Holder to delist or classify marijuana in a more appropriate way, at the very least eliminating it from Schedule I or II.”

      There is another that’s got about twice the signatures 1900 of the 100,000 needed – if slightly ‘less sophisticated’ but on the plus side, its a bit bolder.

      I think we should sure the New Director Botticelli knows how much we appreciate him and the job he’s doing by signing this before March 24th.
      “De List Cannabis from the scheduled drug list!”

      So – here’s the post I started before I went and signed these two Petitions…

      Actually, when they first started this they basically lumped all the major petitions together and said, “see all these petitions related to marijuana here? Yes ?? Well, the answer is still – NO! Didn’t you read the President’s = the ONDCP’s 2009 Strategy Document? – Or the 2010 version, that we used through 2013…”

      [Apparently the 2014 “Strategy” is different, although I don’t see precisely how they changed it?]

      The Obama Administration’s inaugural National Drug Control Strategy, published in 2010, charted a new course in our efforts to reduce illicit drug use and its consequences in the United States—an approach that rejects the false choice between an enforcement-centric “war on drugs” and drug legalization. Science has shown that drug addiction is not a moral failing but rather a disease of the brain that can be prevented and treated. Informed by this basic understanding, the 2010, 2011 and 2012 Strategies established and promoted a balance of evidence-based public health and safety initiatives focusing on key areas such as substance abuse prevention, treatment, and recovery.

      [hippy-punch] “So in closing, F.U. ‘People’ – You’re all a bunch of diseased addicts, and y’all can all suck it!” [/hippy-punch]

      Then they raised the minimum number of signatures from 5,000 to 25,000 and we got that many (*They might have tried 10K or 15K for a short while*).
      Then, I think they upped it to 50,000 And IIRC… we topped that new higher hurdle – ‘Number of 100,000 signatures needed for an answer’, Yet Again!

      They response they gave us was a basically “canned answer” (posted by an WH intern from Kerli’s original ‘answer’) “Didn’t you hear us before? Marijuana Is BAD, dammit we already told you, You better figure out – how to learn – to believe our “National Drug Control Strategy” statement. Hell, we’ve got a Kennedy playing along why can’t you?

      So to reiterate my statement above:
      I think we should welcome in the New Director Micheal Botticelli… ‘and show him a little love’ *snicker*
      And let him know, that -WE ALL KNOW- who he is = Thanks to his recent wonderful testimony appearing on CSPAN, on every drug reform-related website, and basically ALL the Cable News channels, plus their websites too – just in case somebody missed it elsewhere.

      We should wish him well in his new job, And in case he missed it “We The People” strongly believe *he* should KNOW just how passionately *we* ALL feel about this fucking serious issue!

      And we’re Mad as hell and we’re not gonna take it anymore! (OKAY, Maybe not that passionately.)

  29. Duncan20903 says:


    Well here’s a surprise…I think that the prohibitionists are going to quit talking about the “gateway theory”. Don’t get too excited though it’s just a change in semantics. Here’s an example of what looks like the newly approved hysterical rhetoric courtesy of the idiots from The Northern Kentucky Agency for Substance Abuse Policy:

    “Once use of tobacco, alcohol and marijuana takes hold, it can lead into more serious drugs, including heroin.

    “We have to get to those precursor drugs and start targeting more effective prevention strategies so we can change the trajectory of these kids,” said Bonnie Hedrick, prevention alliance coordinator for the Northern Kentucky Agency for Substance Abuse Policy.

    “Precursor” drugs! That’s a pretty darn sophisticated word from a Kentuckian. Just a little Humpty Dumpty redefinition required to make it fit.

    Hedrick said when teens drink and smoke pot, it “smooths the transition” to more serious drugs.

    “Alcohol acts on the nerve receptors in the brain, the opiate receptors, in the same way that heroin does, just not with the same intensity,” she said, noting that prescription drugs are an even clearer “precursor drug” to heroin.

    So there you have it. “Gateway drugs” are out. “Precursor drugs” are in. Please edit your hysterical rhetoric to reflect these official policy changes.

  30. TrebleBass says:

    I bought some canna-pet pills a couple of months back and they seemed to work. I was almost sure it wasn’t a placebo effect, and i actually liked the effects a lot (wasn’t high, just relaxed, like cbd is supposed to feel). Maybe they were something else that’s real, though, but maybe it wasn’t really cannabis (although it definitely smelled like cannabis, and although it didn’t get me high, it did have a feeling like it was cannabis (as contradictory as that sounds), but maybe it was all in my head). They don’t say where they get their hemp from. Also, i’m not sure you can get cbd from hemp in the first place, let alone that you can consistently work with the ratios of cannabinoids like they say they do. The gupta program made it seem like it’s so hard to get your hands on cbd that it made me think how is it possible i could have gotten it. Maybe kids with epilepsy really need very high amounts of it with really low thc and that’s what’s difficult to get. The new jersey dispensary they showed at the end that had the high cbd (it was cbda but i saw on youtube that that turns into cbd with heat) seemed legit although it didn’t work for the little girl. There’s also this pyramyd scheme going on now with this company called hemp mlm that seems like a total scam. They have a video on youtube showing wheat fields saying “our seeds are family grown” or something like that, when as far as i understand you cant even legally grow hemp anywhere in the US (except now in colorado i heard, but that’s just starting). the canna-pet people are based in washington, but i don’t think you can grow hemp there. to what degree and in what way am i or am i not being deceived by canna-pets, what do you think about the legitimacy of other companies that sell cbd products, is there cbd in hemp in the first place, where might they get their hemp from (i asked them by email just now, let’s see if they respond), etc. would love to know what you guys think about all this.

    • TrebleBass says:

      my email to them:

      “Hi. I wanted to ask, where do you guys get your hemp from (what country)?”

      they replied:

      “Canada, France and Russia primarily.”

      I asked them this:

      “so you get the full plants (or only part of the plant) and then they are processed in washington (or is part of the process done in the source countries)? also, are the pills made from the leaves and flowers, from the seeds, from the stems, from the entire plant?”

      They replied with this:

      “We use many parts of the plant,
      We source the parts of the plant.
      We process everything in Washington to make our product.”

      I don’t know. At least they seem more legit than those hemp mlm people.

      • darkcycle says:

        Sounds like they’re one of the companies exploiting the “Importation loophole”. Hem strains do contain both THC and CBD. The import laws say hem imported into the U.S. must be less than three tenths of 1% THC, but they say nothing about CBD. If you can get your hands on a strain of hemp that has meaningful levels of CBD it can come into the country. The rest is sketchy, since CBD is a schedule one substance. These people will only be in business until the DEA moves on them. I say if you like their product, go ahead and load up now. Whatever you do, don’t get involved with selling marketing or investing, because they won’t be there long.

    • TrebleBass says:

      I hadn’t taken it in a while. I took it today. I’m actually relatively convinced that it’s legit. If they had some other product that worked so well, that they were going to try to pass off of as hemp, why wouldn’t they just sell that other product. (i’m not marketing for them by the way. i know i hadn’t been on this blog for a while so it might seem that way, but i’m not).

  31. TrebleBass says:

    On a separate note, it’s so fucked up that in england a pharmaceutical company is allowed to grow all the cannabis they want while for everybody else in the country it is illegal. And the english scientist was asked “why is sativex approved in england but not in the US?” and he said “they have a higher level of rigour” or something like that. That is such bullshit. In the US they recall medicines all the time after years of those medicines being out there killing people and doing all sorts of harm. Many medicines have a trillion side effects and aren’t even recalled. They even tell you in the commercial “it might give you tuberculosis but it’ll cure the jimmy-legs” and things like that, and those drugs are totally legal. But somehow cannabis is too scary. Also, other doctors on there saying things “we really don’t know what effects this can have on the adolescent brain; we don’t know the long term effects”. For god’s sake, it’s the most used illegal drug in the world for the past hundred years. half the US has used it. i’m sure they have spent hundreds of millions studying potential harms for decades. they’re still saying “we just don’t know what it might do”.

  32. Duncan20903 says:


    This one is from the “thuds heard in the strangest places” category:

    Texas Governor Rick Perry Gets Booed On Jimmy Kimmel Live

    It appears that Governor Perry isn’t even one tenth as dumb as he looks:

    The heckling stopped once Texas governor started talking about decriminalizing marijuana

    Nope, it was the scriptwriter, Governor Perry is not guilty of false advertising!

    When asked if he’d ever smoked marijuana himself, Perry responded, “No, thank god!”

    • B. Snow says:

      Nice catch, I’ve been seeing that one in ‘snippets’, here and there.
      “a blueberry in tomato soup” = what a bastard…

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