A lot of people like that reform. Maybe we should get us some.

So… the White House has an announcement.

Join the first-ever ONDCP #DrugPolicyReform Conference at the White House. Monday, 9 AM EST: http://www.whitehouse.gov/live

ONDCP Drug Policy Reform Conference. The ultimate oxymoron.

How much you wanna bet there won’t be any actual drug policy reformers invited?

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59 Responses to A lot of people like that reform. Maybe we should get us some.

  1. primus says:

    This smells of desperation. Why the short announcement time? What is the trigger? Have they announced the list of participants? No? I bet they are scrambling to get some. Of course they don’t want to be forced to ask real reformers, however most prohibitionists are tired of whack-a-mole.

    • claygooding says:

      I thing the prohibs are tired of being the whack-a-mole,,they stick their heads up and get hit by so many comments that blows every vestige of proofs of harm off the table with less arguments from prohibition supporters every day. They are tired of standing alone out there on that sinking deck.

  2. claygooding says:

    I ain’t holding my breath because of the lack of common sense displayed daily by our legislators,bureaucrats or leaders but I also know that Dr Gupta has started a fire the prohibithcess cannot put out.
    Families moving to CO so their child can have access to a medicine that works on epilepsy when no pharmaceutical drugs touch it and they can grow in their yards is a hard line to justify keeping marijuana schedule 1,,,dare we hope?
    I am hoping anyway!

    • allan says:

      wow… posted 8 hours ago… 8 favorites, 8 reTweets. That makes it about as popular as ObamaCare!

      So will they send the guys with the funny pants and hats that blow those long horns with the flags to the castle walls to announce it to the peasants?

      No. It was posted on Friday. Dump day for news stories they want ignored.

      • allan says:


        almost 2 days later and look at the popularity skyrocket!

        Now at 8 reTweets and 9 favorites…

        That is just so f’ing impressive… hell, my comment got 8 likes here on the couch. Maybe somebody ought to invite them over to Pete’s, we’ve plenty of room on the couch (and plenty of mercy pillows for the prohibitches)

    • kaptinemo says:

      And those families represent a tax base that the State that they are leaving needs. A revenue drain that will become more apparent as time goes by, for, face it, most of the ones who can move are the ones with the kind of income that revenue agents salivate over.

      Again, all as predictable as an Eastern sunrise. And it was predicted. By reformers. Some of them right here.

      States that refuse to re-legalize will see similar patterns of flight…and face similar revenue losses.

      And one more thing should be readily apparent: the majority of those that will leave non-legal States will be the sort of people referred to often as ‘cultural creatives’, the folks that actually dream up all the wonderful technology our opponents barely know how to turn on. In other words, it will become what used to be referred to as a ‘brain drain’. I submit it is already happening, and the main beneficiary (for now) will be Colorado.

      Enough of that, and companies that heretofore supported the DrugWar will have to seriously rethink that support, when their ‘best and brightest’ start leaving for more cannabis-friendly States…and companies.

      Sadly, in America, it always comes down to the dollar factor, rather than what’s simply decent and right. Lives destroyed by laws based upon blind or psuedo-scientifically explained bigotry and prejudice are just blanks on a balance sheet aswarm with dollar signs.

      But when those negative integers of dollar signs start to rise in the Brown (non-legalizing) States and they realize that those dollars are now being used in a Green (re-legalizing) State, the only possible alternative will be self-evident.

      For a while, prohibition provided cash-strapped States an ‘industry’ of the most sickening sort, one based on creating and perpetuating Human misery. Now they have a chance to reverse that and profit from the reduction of misery…and live up to those lines of the Declaration of Independence, the ones about ‘the pursuit of happiness’.

      But the States better move fast, for all that potential tax revenue is ‘voting with their feet’, already…

      • claygooding says:

        Ad the numbers of medical refugees that are successfully treating epilepsy,tumors and cancers mount up that family friends and local people learn about back in states where it is still illegal and think a little more seriously about what we have claimed for years,marijuana is illegal because it is so medical and versatile.
        The “refugee” stories are effecting too many families,,families talk.

  3. adobedoug says:

    Love the O Brother reference
    thanks Pete

    • kaptinemo says:

      I second that. One of my most favorite movies. Only saw it once, and haven’t seen it since, won’t until I can visit with distant friends and watch it again as before. They’d known me twenty years, and the wife said she’d never heard me laugh so hard. ‘O Brother’ is that hilarious. America’s answer to Monty Python’s ‘Holy Grail’ movie for sheer “blessed lunacy”.

  4. darkcycle says:

    *shudders* Kleiman? Ugh. Pretend I didn’t say that.
    More likely Sabet, et. al.

  5. Servetus says:

    No way. The ONDCP is trying to control the drug reform debate?

    How can that be? According to Propaganda Minister K. Sabet, no one in government can come to terms on the definition of ‘harm reduction’.

    The odds the horse will finish this race are not good.

  6. Well, if you check out the White House’s idea of a 21st Century approach to what drug policy looks like:


    “Drug policy reform should be rooted in neuroscience—not political science. It should be a public health issue, not just a criminal justice issue. That’s what a 21st century approach to drug policy looks like. ”

    – Gil Kerlikowske, Director, National Drug Control Policy

    Welcome to the wonderful world of Nora Volkow and the brain. Coerced treatment, anyone? Think they invited Kevin? This stuff sounds absolutely Orwellian.

  7. Duncan20903 says:


    I think that it really does depend on how much the drugs law reformer likes to use drinking alcohol because I’m pretty darn certain that the event will employ an open bar for attendees.


    The Denver Post hired a “Marijuana Editor” a few days ago. His name is Ricardo Baca and he denies that he smokes pot. But he freely admits that he that he’s a friend of Alice B. Toklas. (wow, did everyone except me know that ABT was a real, honest to goodness human being? But she wasn’t easy on the eyes. I honestly believe that if Ms. Toklas was a finalist in the annual fugly pageant competing against Linda Taylor that Ms. Toklas could take the grand prize. Does anyone think that she bears a striking resemblance to Moe from the 3 Stooges?

    Wow, now how many years in a row has Ms. Taylor won the fugly pageant again? But you just gotta love the grand prize, 5000 paper bags with eyeholes.

    Anyway, to make a long story short, Mr. Baca was on The Colbert Report for an interview. I didn’t think it possible that anyone could give me such an incredibly huge belly laugh when telling stupid jokes about potheads. But Mr. Colbert did just that. I guess it must be the delivery.

    Colbert To Denver Post’s Marijuana Editor, Ricardo Baca: ‘Are You A Cop?’

  8. N.T. Greene says:

    This sounds like a great drinking game waiting to happen.

    Or a toking game, which would be safer and less likely to end in massive vomiting within fifteen seconds.

  9. DdC says:

    Caution, a long hot shower after prolonged exposure to this site is highly recommended. Most feel nausea after the first 5 minutes. Remedy is two tokes.

    ☛Director Kerlikowske Participates in Small Business Saturday
    Posted by Cameron Hardesty on November 30, 2013

    Director Kerlikowske visited “Holy Cow,” a restaurant in Alexandria, Virginia, for a hamburger lunch. Holy Cow gives back to its community by donating a quarter from every burger sold to local non-profits, including several organizations offering treatment services for substance use and mental health disorders and support to women who are transitioning from incarceration back into the community. In its first year of business, Holy Cow donated more than 72,000 quarters to over 120 different local Alexandria-based charitable organizations.

    Granny Purps 2009
    A California medical marijuana dispensary is bribing people for food donations with their MVP (most valuable product) – pot. The Granny Purps dispensary in Soquel, CA is offering a complimentary marijuana cigarette for every four cans of food a patient brought in this holiday season. Reports show that Granny Purps took in 11,000 pounds of food and handed out 2,000 joints between November and Christmas Eve, when the promo ended. All the food was donated to the Second Harvest Food Bank.

    2009:Redding Charity Turns Down Pot Dispensary’s Food
    “The Lord impressed on me to tell him thanks, but no thanks,” he said, adding that he does not regret that decision. “I feel good about the decision. It felt like a weight was lifted off my shoulders.”
    ~ Chris Solberg, director of Loaves and Fishes

    Still, he noted, food and monetary donations are very much needed because of the poor economy.

    Holy Cow!
    Transitioning from incarceration the ondcp caused. The OD’s the ondcp has caused banning Narcan. Tax paid ondcp causing forced treatment for profit, Califono is $4500/28 days. So why is treatment dependent on charity donations? Not that I’m against anyone with compassion. But if we can sepnd tax dollars on cages we should be able to transfer the funds to clinics for willing rehab, clean drugs and paraphernalia and education, including narcan… and save a bundle. The old stale profiteers answers are… More faith based rehabs and for profit prisons. More profits in urine testing. Everything the ondcp has done to stall, crush and kill the Independence of Stoners and sick people and an alternative to the Fossil Fools, Oil wars and pollution, has failed. Now they offer policy, after the dispensaries, deliveries and home grown has been supplying quality pot for 17 years over the counter and 50 under it? With no major incidents outside of Police Intervention. Enough already, Time to transition Kerli Q and the entire ONDCP-NIDA-DEA to rehabilitation back into the human race. ~DdC

    Priests in Argentina warn…
    They went on to recall that the Gospel invites us to be present at the fringes of society and human existence, “to enter into communion with the poorest of the poor and from there to reach out to all.”

    They recall the Gospel, yet seem not to have actually, you know, read it.

    Did Jesus say “I’d like to help you, but I need to wait until the Romans arrest you and throw you in jail”?

    “…ignoring his right to help.” Really?

    Is the catholic church so weak that they cannot help people without first sending them to prison for pot?

    ☛Addressing a Public Health Crisis in Ohio
    Posted by ONDCP Staff on November 20, 2013

    Due to a dramatic increase in the number of heroin overdose deaths in Northeast Ohio,

    Understanding Naloxone
    Naloxone (also known as Narcan®) is a medication called an “opioid antagonist” used to counter the effects of opioid overdose, for example morphine and heroin overdose. Specifically, naloxone is used in opioid overdoses to counteract life-threatening depression of the central nervous system and respiratory system, allowing an overdose victim to breathe normally.

    Women and Drugs: The Final Drug War Taboo?
    July 3, 2013 – By Meghan Ralston
    Yesterday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released a report about the rate of opioid and prescription drug overdose among women in the United States. It’s bad, and getting worse. But not getting much attention. According to the CDC’s report, since 2007, more women have died each year from drug overdoses than from motor vehicle -related injuries.

    Holy Cow!


  10. Jean Valjean says:

    Scientific illiteracy in the USA explains much of why we are in this absurd situation. Add in a trough-load of greed and vested interest and we have all the ingredients for the WOSD. Interesting article on how America is increasingly falling behind when it comes to science.

    “America is indeed number one – in self-delusion.”


  11. Reagan administration, CIA complicit in DEA agent’s murder, say former insiders

    “ONDCP Drug Policy Reform Conference. The ultimate oxymoron.”

    It sure is.

  12. thelbert says:

    prohibitches be squirmin’

  13. Tony Aroma says:

    I think there is a misunderstanding. This conference isn’t going to be about the future. It’s going to be a review of how successful Obama’s drug policy reforms have been. I believe everyone here has forgotten that Obama ended the drug war a few years ago. Czar Gil told us so on several occasions. And don’t forget how the current administration has respected states’ medical marijuana laws. They’ve even issued a few memos telling us all about their new, enlightened policy. And then there’s the most recent memo about respecting states’ recreational marijuana laws. You know, the memo that was released just before all those raids in CO.

    If there is anything discussed about the future, it will be about how they must continue to tell the public how much they are reforming drug policy (and hoping no one calls them on the fact that they aren’t).

    • allan says:

      personally I’d love to see every drug policy reformer that writes and gets published in the MSM start pointing their lances directly at the White House. And actually thrusting those verbal spears with viguh!

      This isn’t the time to let them get away with diddly. Where IS the freaking science? Why do they maintain the obvious lie of cannabis prohibition? Literally every minute that clicks by sees another citizen busted for pot. FTS!

      From shooting kids’ dogs to seacrhing our anuses, our vaginas, our urine, our blood… invading our homes… it’s all crimes against we the people by an abusive, abrasive and increasingly aggressive arm of the gummint that acts as an independent police state.

      There is no “drugs exception” to the Constitution!

      • Duncan20903 says:


        Hey allan, have you ever wondered why the prohibitionist parasites are constantly talking about the “new” research that “proves” that smoking pot is bad, mmm-kay? That’s because studies with conclusions that they like have a very short shelf life before they’re laughed out of the peer reviewing room.

        Next year the Surgeon Generals famous report on the health hazards of smoking tobacco will be 50 years old. Now that’s the kind of shelf life that legitimate research should have. Granted the scientists have moved past that study but it was where they built the foundation for their more advanced research.

        I know, I know, hysterical rhetoric never dies, it just gets put on a shelf when it gets too many people laughing about it. Man teats! There’s not many things a prohibitch can do or say that will shock me. But trotting out that old nag left me fish mouthing. To paraphrase H.L. Menken, there just isn’t any possibility of underestimating the intelligence of the prohibitchionists. Oh wait a second, can an IQ be expressed with a negative number?

      • “Our experience of the world is constructed around the notion of the isolated self, and it is from this perspective that Western science has explored the brain. Yet, even though we cherish the idea of individuality, we live with the paradox that we constantly regulate each others’ internal biological states” (DeVries et al., 2003; Hofer, 1984, 1987)

        Slaves have no rights.

        To an addiction specialist you are a slave to a drug, but none the less a slave. A poor unfortunate whose chemicals necessitate an intervention. The mission: Cure the chemical imbalance of seeking pleasure from drugs instead of the natural progression of life’s experiences. It’s a chemical imbalance in the brain.

        When the addiction specialist is working for the Government the “slave master” becomes the Government itself. This is the Obama Administration’s new approach. All use is abuse as adjudicated by the “science of addiction” – brain science.

        Government in its infinite wisdom is taking on the job of regulating the internal biological state of its citizens. This is social engineering through the art of neuroscience. We are now expecting neurologists not to correct structural brain abnormalities but to correct the thoughts and motivations inside a persons head.

        Correct according to who? What is the proper biological state to be in according to our government? These types of pleasure seeking activities have been used by Presidents and founding fathers alike. Some just didn’t inhale.

        Let’s cut the crap. The drug war is governmental behavior modification.

        Nora Volkow and the Justice Department and the ONDCP and The White House can stay the hell away from me and my motivations. My pleasure seeking activities are no more their business than who I vote for in the next election.

  14. ezrydn says:

    Do you really think the NSA will bypass this “meeting?” It’s why I won’t attend.

  15. Duncan20903 says:


    Res ipsa loquitur: California Pot Clinic Owner Turns Mayor, 1st in Country

    The headline’s writer needs a better thesaurus. Since when is the word “turns” a synonym for the word “elected”?

    • Duncan20903 says:

      Ooops, my bad. The word “elected” isn’t right because the man was appointed. It’s still not a synonym for the word “turns.”

    • Jean Valjean says:

      Back in the Cold War, we tried to “turn” their spies and make them double agents, and vice versa. Let’s hope that isn’t what the prohibitionist establishment have done here.

      • Duncan20903 says:

        Yes, yes, I thought about it and now I’m suffering because I can’t get that song, “I’m Turning Japanese” out of my brain.

        I’ve got your picture,
        I’ve got your picture
        I’d like a million of you all ’round myself
        I want a doctor to take your picture
        So I can look at you from inside as well
        You’ve got me turning up and turning down
        I’m turning in I’m turning ’round

        I’m turning Japanese
        I think I’m turning Japanese
        I really think so

  16. Nunavut Tripper says:

    “California Pot Clinic Owner Turns over a new leaf. “

    • Duncan20903 says:

      News headline writers and their stupid jokes about potheads. I swear, one of these days I’m going to cut one into little pieces.

      • darkcycle says:

        It’s Pavlovian, I swear, they just cannot help themselves.

        • Duncan20903 says:


          Oh my word, isn’t this one just plain precious? The Denver Post is calling e-joints “pocket hookahs” which are designed to get “the children” “addicted” to merrywanna!

          Pocket hookahs proliferate with young marijuana users, sources say

          Portable pot vaporizers — called “vapes” or “pocket hookahs” by users — are going hand-in-hand with the proliferation of electronic cigarettes and taking the marijuana world by storm. They are so well disguised and can be used so clandestinely that they are setting off alarm bells with those concerned about keeping legalized pot out of the hands of minors.

          “This is incredibly concerning,” said Bob Doyle, “executive director” of the Colorado Tobacco Education and Prevention Alliance. “The marijuana vaporizing industry is as advanced or more advanced than the e-cigarette industry. The products are appealing to kids, and they promote the ability to hide marijuana use.”

          Worried that you’re going to lose a very effective piece of hysterical rhetoric, isn’t that right Mr. Doyle? No more baseless claims of lung cancer, emphysema, COPD etc so that “the children” can be scared “straight.” That would really suck for you, wouldn’t it Bob?

          If anyone needs me I’ll be in the basement pounding my head against the brick wall.

          Pocket Hookah(TM) is a trademarked brand name so I guess the DP is just regurgitating what they had heard.

        • Nunavut Tripper says:

          I think they fear the sophistication of the cannabis industry. With products of this calibre on the open market they realize deep down that the cannabis culture is here to stay and there’s really dick all they can do about it.

        • darkcycle says:

          Mpppphh. Not liking one little bit. You know, back in 2009, I was turned on to the very first iteration of the e-vape products. I’ve had about six different designs since then, and they have improved every single year. But until last year, it was like they were my own little secret. I cannot tell you the places I have openly and publicly vaped. This sucks…really big time. No more airplanes, no more government buildings. No more “I’m so far ahead of you, you don’t even know I passed you.” I knew it was too good to last, but it was, and it didn’t. *sigh* The latest version is so good it’s like dabbing with a hot nail. Have to be damn careful, or it’s uncontrolled coughing and instant sweats.

      • Duncan20903 says:


        Perhaps everyone got the reference but just in case you think that I’m a budding axe murderer there was a Pink Floyd song called “One of These Days” and “one of these days I’m going to cut you into little pieces” was the sum total of the song’s lyrics. Now if you investigate and discover that Roger Waters is actually an axe (or other sharp force implement) murderer I’ll just say “hmm, so what else is news?” It wouldn’t surprise me at all.

        You don’t need to worry about me becoming an axe murderer. Blood is just too messy and difficult to clean up properly. Now where’s my croquet mallet?

  17. DdC says:

    How much you wanna bet there won’t be any actual drug policy reformers invited?

    Mike Riggs ‏@MikeRiggs 6 Dec
    WH event of “pioneers who represent the future of drug policy” will not feature a single decrim, legalization, or harm reduction advocate.

  18. If Gil says “Drug policy reform should be rooted in neuro-science not political science.” and he is presenting the Government’s idea of this as science, doesn’t that make this effort from the ONDCP and The White House Neuro-Political Science?

  19. So, now we have entered the era of neuro-politics entering the WOD.

  20. DdC says:

    will not feature a single decrim, legalization, or harm reduction advocate

    Drug Policy? Wouldn’t that be called a staff meeting? Drug Policey

    Studies: Alcohol’s Role In Auto Accidents Far Greater Than That Of Cannabis
    By Paul Armentano · Wed Dec 04, 2013

    Dr. Stoner Know-It-All: 5 Shocking Facts About Legal Pot
    A small percentage of marijuana studies explore potential benefit
    Earlier this year, CNN’s Sanjay Gupta reported that only six percent of the studies published on marijuana target its potential benefits, while a whopping 94% scrutinize it for its capacity to do harm. Gupta says that this unfortunate phenomenon is primarily due to science’s inability to conduct clinical trials due to marijuana still being considered illegal on a national level.

    New Online Pot Course Could Screw Stoners
    Corporate snitches have been putting members of the great American workforce into Welfare and unemployment lines for years with random drug and alcohol testing. Now, the same rat faced wolves responsible for forcing countless blue collars into poverty and destitution are back, in sheep’s clothing, to teach employers how marijuana legalization will affect the workplace.

    Secret Bill Would Legalize Marijuana on a Federal Level
    At the beginning of 2013, Colorado Representative Jared Polis jumped into Washington D.C. with all bongs blazing and introduced a controversial new bill aimed at abolishing the current state of marijuana prohibition across the United States.

    NJ Gov. Chris Christie Prefers Dead Kids Over Stoned Adults

    • Servetus says:

      Drug testing: it’s not just a safety issue, it’s a way to discriminate in the workplace.

  21. claygooding says:

    I just wish more of my handcuff experiences had more to do with sex than police officers.

  22. allan says:

    OT… on another personal note one of my photos is one of the two final choices for the cover of the upcoming issue of CannabisNow Magazine. I’ll have one piece in it and responsible for content on another. And… they’re thinking of adding me as a regular (paid) contributor to their website.

    All because I saw an ad 3 years ago looking for a ski writer and I answered saying they needed someone to write about the kind bud and WOD.

    A regular writing gig, on top of my SS? Now we’re talkin’! This calls for a spliff…



    fffffffffffffft… fff… fffffffffffffffffffffft!


  23. Birth of a brain disease:science, the state and addiction neuropolitics


    Its interesting reading

    • B. Snow says:

      So… Someone called them on their old bullshit – so they had to go out and get some new bullshit?

      Or, rather “re-polish” some existing bullshit – it’s very possible = they did it on Mythbusters, not too long ago.

      OT: You think maybe we could convince them to test some marijuana myths? They do all sorts of stuff w/ alcohol, and MMJ has been legal in California for the better part of two decades (surely, finding some ‘volunteers’ who’d like to be on the show couldn’t be that difficult), OR they could just go to up Colorado. Surely, “stoners” are a decent portion of their target demographic – right?

  24. Ben says:

    Ya know, back in June I lost a close friend to a morphine overdose. It’s sad to see a young life like that snuffed out. And it’s like every “reform” these people spew out to “help” stop this from happening, just ends up feeding the problem. It breaks my heart knowing she’ll just be a number 2013’s overdose statistics.
    People wonder why this issue is important to me. I don’t want anyone to suffer emotional anguish and chronic pain that she went through when all of that would be better treated with cannabis. Instead of being treated with dozens of opiates that cause physical and mental addiction at an early age. I feel I’ll be able to rest easier once this war is over, and their precious prohibition crumbles.

    • Duncan20903 says:


      In 2007 my nephew died of an overdose of Xanax. He’d been programmed for around 60 days when he “relapsed”and nobody had warned him that losing tolerance to a drug capable of killing a person decreases the LD-50 and if a person “relapses” he needs to adjust the dose downward. Oh no, that might “cause” a person to relapse. Much better that my sister gets to discover her kid’s lifeless body on the kitchen floor when she goes for morning coffee. I get to think of this every year because just by happenstance my nephew’s funeral was on 4/20. Thanks a lot Mr. Prohibitch. When do you figure out that people’s lives are more important than your pathological need for people to follow orders for no other reason than that they were given an order?

      • Ben says:

        They don’t teach anyone basic toxicology. And if they did it would save a lot more lives. Hell, I had to learn all of what I know about drugs through sites like erowid and personal experience.
        Education in this area is key to saving lives, and I’m not talking about the BS D.A.R.E classes I was forced to go through in high school. I want kids to hear things about drugs from someone with actual medical knowledge, like a doctor, or a paramedic. And not some cop that’s spewing disinformation out that later on down the road gets someone killed.

  25. allan says:

    Imagine… South Park… and a female Cartman… (drum roll) that is an anti-pot activist that goes around screeching It’s a scam people!

    That Modbee vid of our favorite Harpie now has almost 30,000 views

    • Duncan20903 says:


      Oh Christ on a crutch…just the imagery I didn’t need in my brain at 6:15 AM on a Monday morning…

      You know, there’s no doubt in my mind that that woman would float. No doubt at all.

      • kaptinemo says:

        She cannot possibly weigh the same as a duck (a two-ton duck would make me run for my life), and therefore she cannot be made out of wood, and therefore she will not float.

        Sorry, you don’t pass Sir Bedevere’s course in civil engineering. Some remedial work is needed. Back to the cat-thrashing and flagellant monks bashing their craniums with wood boards for you.

      • allan says:

        you’re welcome Duncan… you know I like to share the bizarre and weird. Taylor definitely qualifies.

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