Tuesday thread

I’m having way too much fun in New York right now seeing good shows, eating good food, leading good walking tours (along with an amazing single-malt tasting session tonight) to possibly keep up with reading and commenting on drug war news.

But you need another open thread, so here it is.

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44 Responses to Tuesday thread

  1. malcolm kyle says:

    Thanks Pete!

    Seattle City Councilman Tim Burgess, a former police officer and head of the council’s public safety committee, has come out in favor of legalizing marijuana.

    Burgess is another on list of city officials in favor of pot legalization, including City Attorney Pete Holmes and Mayor Mike McGinn.

    “I don’t favor legalization because I want to use marijuana, far from it,” Burgess wrote on his City View blog. “Frankly, I’ve seen too many ruined lives because of abusive and excessive use of drugs and alcohol, including marijuana.

    “I favor legalization because I want to see a more rational, predictable and cost-effective approach to drugs and crime.” ..

    .. “To continue on our present course of mass incarceration,” Burgess said, “means we will continue to create a class of people who have great difficulty functioning in society and for whom we will pay the price in high prison costs, high recidivism rates, and high poverty.”


    • denmark says:

      Excellent malcolm, thanks. There’s a great deal of Legalize energy going on in Washington state and I’m going to stay on top of it as best I can. Participation while the action is in motion is an imperative now.

      Thought about you yesterday malcolm when I put a comment in the Seattle Times. Appreciate you.

      • malcolm kyle says:

        Thanks Denmark for your kind words!

        So I may look out for you and return the compliment, what name do you usually post under on comment threads?

        Are you anywhere near Braedstrup by any chance?

      • denmark says:

        Just started with the newspaper last week. My comments aren’t the greatest but I’m trying to do better. Unable to visit the times every day. Couldn’t use denmark, it was already claimed, the name is sarji.
        Not in Denmark malcolm, live in the continental U.S.
        My family did come to the U.S. from the city of Odense, Denmark. It’s the main city on the Island of Funen.

        …random thought follows:
        I was thinking today that activists will have to stay on their toes after cannabis is legalized so the Prohibitionist’s don’t screw things up.

      • malcolm kyle says:

        “Just started with the newspaper last week.”

        Welcome to the battle! I’ll look out for you and be watching your back.

        And don’t worry about making occasional cock-ups:
        “Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes.” – Mahatma Gandhi

  2. Peter says:

    Just been reading Keith Richards _Life_ and thinking about how this all fits in with the wod. Quite apart from the obvious irritations of a man who seems never to have grown out of teenage impressionability with all things cool, especially drugs, the most striking thing is a complete obliviousness to the contrast in the way he is treated by authorities, and the way, for example, poor black men (“cats” in richards’ parlance)are dealt with. His overweening self-importance takes it as a law of nature that he will be immune to the actions of drug warriors due to wealth, hero-worship and expensive lawyers, and this all adds to his super-hero aura of cool– look! He’s bullet-proof! Fooling the authorities is all a great game for richards. He is obviously not the sharpest knife in the drawer and has no sense of introspection, but if he had, he might look at his own position as the binary opposite of the nixons, reagans, kerlikowskis etc in the wod. They need him to continue in his role as crazy druggie to justify their oppression of the less powerful, people of color, immigrants etc. I would say he is a beneficiary of the wod, as it has enhanced his rebel reputation with the gullible, while allowing them to forget the millions who have been less fortunate than richards and had their lives destroyed by all aspects of prohibition.

    • Duncan20903 says:

      It’s hard to argue that he’s wrong after almost 4 decades of getting away with it. Then again it didn’t work for Tommy Chong.

  3. Duncan20903 says:

    Dispensaries throw their extra medicine away? Why am I skeptical? Motor oil, not hash oil, right? They actually want motor oil going to the landfill? Around here we get bent over and spanked by the county if they catch us sending motor oil to the landfill.

    I thought trash was abandoned. How can you steal something that’s abandoned? Didn’t the SCOTUS declare trash legally abandoned so not worthy of 4th Amendment protection?

    “Julie Postlethwait of the state’s medical marijuana enforcement agency said proposed rules would require marijuana debris to be ground up and mixed with non-edible materials, such as oil, to deter thefts.”


    • darkcycle says:

      I bet they were dumping their discarded water leaves right into the trash. That’s a cavalier faux pas that would send your average black market grower straight to the poky. And this woman wants this biodegradable debris mixed with MOTOR OIL to somehow render it….what….SAFE?! I’m sure it wouldn’t matter if you pointed out that the stuff was “safe” before being adulterated, and after adulteration, is toxic and poisonous, and doesn’t biodegrade (in any quick or clean way). No. “Safe” gots nothin to do with it. It’s hysteria.
      But in some cases it is better to humor a hysterical person, rather than deliver the ‘Bogart’ slap in the face, as satisfying as that might be. So it would probably behoove the legal grower to NOT discard his or her waste leaves where teenagers can easily find them. The age old solutions are burning or on-site composting.

      • darkcycle says:

        P.S. I think it’s Jef-tek, a grower, tells a story of another closet grower who did just that. He dumped his waste into the dumpster in the alley behind his house. When his entire 130 day cycle was over and the grow was down to await another crop, he got a knock on his door. It was the local street people who had been smoking his water leaves now for three months asking for more! “Say, you aren’t gonna throw out some more of that good leaf today are you? we’re out!”

      • Duncan20903 says:

        Jeez DC aren’t you aware that you can make extracts from every bit of the plant? I can take leftover stems and with some grain alcohol make extracts that will knock your socks off. There’s no grade of smoking cannabis that can deliver results as good as extracts from what most see as trash. Roots are the only part of the plant that I see as unusable beyond their purpose of osmosis.

        Some days I mourn all the “useless” leaves and stems that I’ve relegated to the compost heap in the past. My regrets right up there with tossing out all those Panama Red seeds back in 1983. Wise men fear to tread where ignorance is bliss, indeed.

  4. Duncan20903 says:

    Well it seems I’m going to have to shitcan my “sniffing model airplane glue” meme. It seems it actually is illegal, at least in Massachusetts.

    Talk about the nanny state….

    …were charged with possession of marijuana with intent to distribute, possession of marijuana, possession of nitrous oxide and inhaling a toxic substance.


    • darkcycle says:

      Duncan, you are totally correct. Some people are wasteful, and some don’t know. If you have some types of pest issues (virus), you have to discard. And still others produce too much to deal with that themselves. I compost my water leaves because I have space and time issues that would otherwise cause it to pile up to ridiculous levels, and then there’s that pesky weight limit for dried material.
      Harvest trim, that’s easy. The detritus that piles up on a daily basis is a different matter. Plus I…er…uh…some use a perpetual harvest method that makes for a constant, unending stream of debris. It doesn’t work in EVERY case to use all of your waste. You want my water leaves? They’re yours. I’ll need to see your valid Washington ID and your physician’s recommendation.

    • darkcycle says:

      Besides, they took the toluene out of airplane glue something like ten years ago now, and replaced it with an aromatic less conducive to huffing. Most serious huffers are into spray paint anyway. The only more efficient way to kill brain cells comes in calibres, .38, .357, 9mm etc.

  5. strayan says:

    More from President Calderon:


    For me, it’s very difficult to prosecute a very poor farmer in Mexico growing marijuana,” he said, when “industrial”-scale agriculture is flourishing north of the border. “How can I console our widows” – Mexico has lost more than 2,000 police and federal agents the past four years fighting the drug cartels – “and at the same time students in universities can smoke pot with no problems?

    and in the next breath, behold:

    He said he worried about the increased consumption among young people that he believes would inevitably follow [legalization] – we could lose “several generations”

    President Calderon can see that America is establishing its cannabis industry, but will continue to decimate Mexico’s (and accept US dollars to do so). He’s a bit sorry for the widows though.

    He’s also is worried about maybe losing several generations to drugs which is apparently different to losing several generations to drugs (right now) and perhaps the entire country as a result of prohibition caused drug violence.

  6. Nick says:

    For all you do Pete, this one’s for you.
    Enjoy your vacation, the war goes on without you.

  7. Duncan20903 says:

    Here’s a dictionary picture example of the politically correct run amuck. We know that it’s politically incorrect to use racial or ethnic slurs. But whod’a thunk that would extend to a campaign to encourage people to stop using such words. It seems that now the politically correct are eating their own.

    Students offended by slurs on ‘no derogatory language’ fliers

    “So the school asks students to make a pledge not to use racial slurs for the remainder of the school year.”


    Yes, don’t use those words kiddies. You’ll just have to guess which words you are promising not to use.

  8. vicky vampire says:

    THE Drug Czar Gil fainted twice or collapsed giving talk at Harvard,guess all that talk of Legalization coming out of Washington State really stressed old Gil out I guess?

    Despite protests and heavy criticism from other states,The Governor of Dead Zone Utah,I reside in sighed a law HB477 tonight that in effect is very vague and limit widely access to government records and ups fees to access considerably for e-mails-texts Etc. Critics say its worse than third world country access,the comments are biting with story these folks.This is a Bill towards less government transparency shame on the Republicans who did this, people are wondering what they have in mind in near future that they need to keep under wraps,

    1.They just Banned spice.
    2.They just passed new law,smoking in car with young kids,gets you I think 45 dollar fine, to get out of fine must take smoking cessation class.
    3.They wanted to pass Arizona like Illegal Alien Laws but backed off watered down now have a worker program law that has Tea Party angry at Utah and considering Boycott of this state Whoopie.
    Oh they Banned texting in cars a while back so much for that I still see folks do that once in a while.

    I wish New Jersey could figure out some way to over ride that Fuckwad Governor Chris Christie that keeps interfering with the medical Marijuana in that state getting implemented he totally anal about that deal.

    Oh good Lord on a lighter note has anyone tried the Charlie Sheen strain of Cannabis http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20110309us_drug_czar_collapses_twice_at_harvard/srvc=hohttp://www.tokeofthetown.com/2011/03/ca_dispensaries_cant_keep_charlie_sheen_pot_strain.php

  9. DdC says:

    Bolivian President Uses Former DEA Agent’s Book to Send Message to the World
    Evo Morales Challenging Media to Read Between the Lines of
    “The Big White Lie” By Bill Conroy

    Reyes Family: “Militarization of Drug War in Mexico
    to Blame for Extortions, Kidnappings and Murders”

    The Assassination of Juárez Human Rights Defender Josefina Reyes Salazar Has Been Followed by Continuing Attacks on Her Family
    By Fernando León and Erin Rosa

    Mexican Government Completes PR Investigation of US Agent’s Murder
    By Bill Conroy: Suspects Now in Custody Smell Like Scapegoats, Law Enforcement Sources Contend

    Barack Obama with Mexican President Felipe Calderon
    Legalization Activists Slam Obama’s Renewed Commitment to Drug War
    The pro-legalization group Law Enforcement Against Prohibition fretted that President Barack Obama and Mexican President Felipe Calderon were embarking on a counterproductive mission after the two pledged “renewed cooperation” on the drug war Thursday.

  10. DdC says:

    Meanwhile above the influence…

    Hempcon Medicinal Cannabis Fest

    “It’s like a Disneyland for marijuana users and patients”
    ~ one enthused attendee.

    April 1st – 3rd
    Los Angeles Convention Center – South Hall K
    1201 South Figueroa Street, Los Angeles, CA 90015 **Featuring Ziggy Marley in Concert **Concert starts @ 6:00pm

    June 10th – 12th, 2011
    San Jose Convention Center – South Hall
    435 South Market Street, San Jose, CA 95113

    U.S. States Push Forward With Marijuana Reform Bills
    Driven by economic troubles and a growing awareness of the perils of prohibition, several U.S. states are moving forward with bills to decriminalize or legalize the recreational use of marijuana. full story

    Los Angeles Voters Asked to Tax Medical Marijuana Dispensaries

    Senate Backs More Lenient Marijuana Policy

    Saga of the neverending Ganjawar
    This episode… Don’t Fuck Wit Em!

    I figure this is really just a very bad reality show.
    Or previews of things to come Reicheer in River City.
    Smoking pot has never killed anyone, possession has.
    Blood in each days headline, COP heads tossed at the copshop.
    Newest superheroine fleeing for the border.
    Spending money like its water while telling us we’re broke.
    Tighten our belts? Gas rationing ahead?
    No acid this crazy, no trip this nuts, no pot this potent.
    DEAth Merchants must mainline DMT by the buckets.
    WTF are the requirements of SoS, own a pants suit? Be married to Bil?
    Or a president with a transparent nose ring attached to the GOP’s ass.
    Cartel’s killing back, surprise.

  11. ezrydn says:

    Just an FYI for everyone:

    There are only 603 days until the first 2012 voting booth opens.

  12. Matthew Meyer says:

    Pete, quit having fun and Get Back to Work! 😉

    • denmark says:

      Agreed …….

      BOSTON — It appears that the flu is to blame for causing the White House drug czar to faint twice on a visit to Massachusetts.

      Drug Policy Director Gil Kerlikowske fell ill and fainted at about 2 p.m. Tuesday while speaking to law students at Harvard University, a spokesman said. Emergency workers treated Kerlikowske at the scene and took him to Massachusetts General Hospital, where he was evaluated and released.

      Kerlikowske, 61, fainted again at about 6 p.m. at Logan International Airport while on his way back to Washington, D.C.
      We’ve had three different type of flu strains circulating around our state. No sympathy droopy.

  13. darkcycle says:

    Our Drug Czar collapsed twice in Boston? Oh my. I do hope he’s not seriously ill. That would be dreadful. Many painful and dreadful illnesses have no effective pharmaceutical remedy, you know, and no effective treatment for the symptoms of stuff like M.S., and ALS is pending, either.
    Too bad marijuana isn’t effective for these things. It has no legitimate medical use, you know. (snark ends now) One irony is that he CAN’T seek relief with medical marijuana, he ruled it out by taking that position as drug czar.

    • denmark says:

      Can’t write down what I really want to say about droopy being ill.
      His being sick is happyville to me.

  14. vicky vampire says:

    Look this is just my opinion,FDA completely discontinued a very good Migraine med and its generics with very few side effects,that folks had liked and had used for years.
    The med was called Midrin I have been on it only for about three months I have much stronger stuff I also use for headaches but never had any problems with Midrins generic.
    According to reports there was shortage of chemicals to make Midrin also it was first made and marketed before current FDA Aproval process was in place,so what did that disqualify it, doubt it, they could have granfathered it in. it been in use for 20 to 40 years I think, no its cause they need new drugs with new patents to charge you more for prescriptions pure greed from pharmaceutical companies.
    Many folks on forums say other meds just have a lot of side effect that Midrin did not.

    And you wonder why everyday more people are trying,Medical Marijuana more,Yeah cause those Idiots over at FDA keep taking more meds away from people,did they not also retire 500 cold meds I’m sure not all of those needed to be discontiued either.

    • darkcycle says:

      No, V.V. You’re right. These effective and proven medications were removed from the shelves to drive patients to new, expensive and unproven drugs. No other reason.

  15. darkcycle says:

    I bet old Gilly got a call from John Walters in the hospital: “This job ain’t for pansies, boy! Pull yourself together.”

  16. Duncan20903 says:

    When did the cannabis induced munchies get expanded to pot makes the people who enjoy it fat? I swear I’ve never heard that one except on random occasions in passing before this year. Now it’s actually popping up on lists of why we can’t re-legalize, because America is obese and “we don’t need to add to the problem.” OK, it’s not like it’s that far a stretch, I think everyone does pick up a few pounds the first year but then people learn to either use healthy foods to satisfy the munchies or to just ignore the cravings and they go away. I even knew one enormous fellow who lost almost 200 lbs, stoned every day of his weight loss period. Anyway, I find this one annoying.

    So furthering this meme, in today’s “news” George Michael has lost 15 lbs because he quit cannabis. He swears he has. Now if he really has quit the pot club it gives me a warm fuzzy. But christ on a crutch, Mr. Michael couldn’t get his hands on some “diet” meds if he wanted? Meth and coke do that trick with no problem.


    • strayan says:

      Babies are fat because they’re addicted to the cannabinoids in their mother’s breast milk.

    • Maria says:

      Due to work (and work and more work and a little more work) it’s been a while since I’ve been on here. Lots of reading a catching up to do.

      Duncan, your comment made me laugh out loud, the familiarity of it. I grit my teeth every time some know nothing brings this point up. Pot makes you fat! (So does chocolate and we aren’t banning that (yet))

      I seethe inside wanting to yell at them. Do you know when I love to exercise, to dance, to MOVE? It’s when I’ve smoked just a little bit. Just enough. Why? Because I bloody well can’t feel the day to day pain. I actually feel like I AM my body, in sync with it, rather then a passenger stuck inside a creaking, rust bucket of a ship, hindered by it. And afterward, I actually feel less pain when compared to a work out without smoking. But it’s been ages since I had that pleasure. Oi I miss it.

  17. vicky vampire says:

    Dammit Duncan your too Funny always, G.Michael Meth and Coke Diet.
    You need your own reality show like Sheen’s Corner, Duncan’s Corner and instead of waving around a Machete like Charlie just wave some Hemp and Cannabis products around that will really scare some Drug Hysteria types.

    Yeah I lost weight last couple of months,munchies don’t affect me has much might be cause I use natural hormones that kinda keeps appetite in check.

  18. DdC says:

    Blowhard drug worriers and the Fascist press will always lie and use whatever means is available to their end. Whining about them is missing a firm grasp of reality. Ganja as stated before, is a balancer. It stimulates appetites and it deters it for others with obesity. If the government in conjunction with the Pharmaceutical korpses weren’t stifling research, more people could have curtailed their obesity. Now the Fascism is probably lowering the scheduling to a three, same as synthetic merdinol. I’m sure Sativex and Bayer will develop their sublingual extractions for many applications. This is good for patients, bad for everyone using the whole plant, still illegally. The remaining Pharmaceuticals in competition with Bayer, without government patents, are still promoting prohibition. Moneysluts eat their own young. So here ya go. Go forth… Edukate and stop the gossip…

    Cannabis Drug May Help Fight Obesity

    Anti-Obesity Pill Might Fight Drug Abuse

    Marijuana Munchies May Hold a Key to Obesity

    Granny Storm Crow’s MMJ List

    Does Cannabis Hold the Key to Treating Cardiometabolic Disease?

    Effects of smoked marijuana on food intake and body weight

  19. muggles says:

    Yesterday was my birthday, also the Drug Czar fainted. I believe that a discussion at Harvard with a group of some of the nations most promising young minds. They had done their homework concerning the failing drug war. Now, keep in mind that the Drug Czar cannot by law endorse in any way marijuana or even medical marijuana…so I’m thinking that there must be a lot of truth bottled up in him that is not allowed out and it may have cut off oxygen to his brain, and so he fainted, and on my birthday, how about that.

    • darkcycle says:

      Jesus. That gives an entirely new meaning to the term “Mother Fuckers”. They (the FDA) ought to be disbanded.

  20. They Live says:




  21. Servetus says:

    Fate and I collided with the word ‘agnotology’ today, which distills everything we’ve encountered in prohibition’s little game plan.

    Agnotology “is the study of culturally-induced ignorance or doubt, particularly the publication of inaccurate or misleading scientific data.”

    Fascinating stuff, frames the ONDCP/DEA agenda perfectly. More info at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnotology .

    We’re all agnotologists here at DrugWarRant, and elsewhere.

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