Open Thread

bullet image Good news from Cheye Calvo:

Yesterday, District Court Judge Ahalt yesterday denied a motion to dismiss our lawsuit against the Pr. George’s law enforcement. This clears the path for us to go to trial, probably early in 2011. He also denied a motion to suppress the Sheriff’s Office internal affairs division (IAD) report, which cleared his agency of any wrong-doing.

That’s wonderful. This next part will make you sick.

The county actually asked the judge to remove Sheriff Deputy Sagin (the second shooter) from the count related to the execution of Payton and Chase. The reason was that Sagin twice shoot Payton in the head, but AFTER he was already fatally wounded — and therefore was incapable of causing further destruction of property (he actually said this). Judge Ahalt said no.

bullet image Can you use an extra 48 billion dollars? Jeffrey Mirron has the latest estimates on savings due to legalization. Taxes would be extra.

bullet image Another reason for legalization: Drugs need to have ingredients listed on the package.

bullet image Colorado Congressman Fights Back Against DEA’s Medical Marijuana Raids Excellent job by Colorado Congressman Jared Polis. He needs to be rewarded by the voters for sending this letter.

bullet image In drug war, failed old ideas never die: Bernd Debusmann. Good column on the recent nonsense from the International Narcotics Control Board (INCB) that’s been in the news.

bullet image If you’ve been wondering who the INCB is and what power they have, it’s certainly a curious thing.

The International Narcotics Control Board (INCB) is the independent and quasi-judicial control organ monitoring the implementation of the United Nations drug control conventions.

Yep, it’s an independent and quasi-judicial control organ. Sounds like something hidden behind the large intestine.

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21 Responses to Open Thread

  1. denmark says:

    The INCB are nothing more than legal thugs. Pathetic.

  2. Buc says:

    Let Deputy Sagin go because he shot a dog twice, in the head, that was already fatally wounded?

    I understand the county doesn’t want to pay anymore than it’s going to have to pay, but sometimes you have to wonder why they make the decisions that they do. Obviously, the negatives here for them (bad PR, looking like assholes in general) overtakes the positives (the miniscule chance that the judge would agree with them).

    Then again, we’ve seen judges agree with some pretty crazy shit with regards to the drug war when cops are the accused. I guess that’s what they were banking on.

  3. Hope says:

    Destruction of property? There probably should have been a heck of a lot more cases like this filed over the last few decades.

  4. claygooding says:

    If we shoot the cops dog,it is murder of a police officer,
    and them shooting our dogs is destruction of property.
    I wonder what an appeals court would say if a defendant
    requested a lawyer present for a drug dog search?

  5. Just Legalize It says:

    “Another reason for legalization: Drugs need to have ingredients listed on the package”

    Thats not all…. what about potency…. now although it is not a big issue with cannabis, it is with other drugs

    Let’s say you did heroin as your drug of choice. If you were used to your dealer giving you a certain potency then you would shoot up enough to get you where you need to be. However, if you move or buy from someone else who has a much more potent product, then you could/will overdose…. but if you knew the potency of what you were taking then you could compensate for that.

    now i dont think that everyone should be shooting up heroin…. but i think the ones who choose to should know what the potency is, know that it is safe, have clean needles, and should not fear prosecution simply because of what they decide to put into their own bodies….. as long as noone else is harmed.

  6. Just Legalize It says:


    that officer obviously has some mental issues to take care of and should NOT be on the police force…… PERIOD!

  7. DavesNotHere says:

    “I wonder what an appeals court would say if a defendant
    requested a lawyer present for a drug dog search?”

    They would say tough luck, a drug dog sniff is NOT a search and is not covered by the 4th Amendment. The Supreme Court said a drug dog sniff is not a search in Caballes v. Illinois.

    The case was argued by Illinois Attorney General, Democrat Lisa Madigan. Barack Obama tried to recruit Lisa Madigan to run for his old US Senate seat now held by Roland Burriss and Barack Obama is a huge supporter of Lisa Madigan. Obama tried to recruit Madigan for the US Senate after his basketball buddy, Alexi Giannoulius, started getting some bad news about his family’s bank giving out loans to mobsters and taking out huge profit dividends when the bank is on the brink of collapse. The Republican in that race, Mark Kirk, proposed 25 to life for possessing “super” potent marijuana.

    The Green Party has someone on the ballot for US Senate, and they are the obvious choice right now if they ever figure out how to do campaign work. In other words, Illinoisans will still be screwed with bad politicians, Governor too, after the 2010 elections.

  8. Just me says:

    In drug war, failed old ideas never die: Bernd Debusmann. Good column on the recent nonsense from the International Narcotics Control Board (INCB) that’s been in the news.

    After reading this story I wondered whether there were any mention of drug use or the addiction to drugs in the health care bill they are trying to pass. If so , what effect does it have upon the people and the war on the people.

    February 28th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
    If we shoot the cops dog,it is murder of a police officer,
    and them shooting our dogs is destruction of property.
    I wonder what an appeals court would say if a defendant
    requested a lawyer present for a drug dog search?

    Ya Ive always had that thought, is it just property or not. How can they have it both ways. They say its becuase its trianed to do searches? So what mines trianed to defend my house and kill your dog. Are they going to charge my dog with murder? Its all nonsense. I get so sick of how things get twisted in favor of LE or government but we cant use thier logic to defend our selves in court.

  9. Bruce says:

    Recall the recent response over shooting the man 88 times;..
    Its all the ammo we had…
    Re ingredients
    this product may or may not contain;
    Fly wings pieces and heads
    Spider legs mouth parts or antennae
    Pine needles mica or vermiculitis particles
    Variety is the spice of life.

  10. allan420 says:

    I’ve done deliveries (lumber) and worked in homes (doing handyman work, cleaning windows and carpets) for years, quite often in rural areas. I always have to deal with peoples’ dogs. I have never ever met a mean black lab. Testosterone is a dangerous drug and folks high on it should not handle weapons in civilian areas. The shooting of an already fatally wounded black labrador – twice in the head – is an absurdly cruel act and a clear example of just how deadly the drug testosterone is.

  11. allan420 says:

    The Baltimore Sun has an editorial on the Calvo case:

    Killing of dogs no reason for targeting SWAT teams

    Once again we are hearing from Mayor Cheye Calvo of Berwyn Heights who seems to be determined to disband SWAT teams throughout Prince George’s County and perhaps the entire state (“Numbers paint portrait of SWAT team use,” Feb. 26). Mr. Calvo’s crusade is the result of one incident in Berwyn Heights in which a SWAT team, in a mistaken drug raid, killed his dogs. If mistakes were made during the operation in Berwyn Heights, then those mistakes were no doubt identified and appropriate training and policy modifications put in place.


    And it gets worse. This is need of a Balko Oped response. And lots of on-point LTEs.

    A lot of coverage, check GoogleNews.

  12. Bruce says:

    Allan I too work in renovations and after 5,000 or so different addresses and neighborhoods am appalled that such heavy-handed tactics are employed at all. There is simply no excuse for such behaviour. I have calmed mental patients, been bitten by dogs, you name it… You take what comes and lick your wounds. Gunplay a result of too much television and stroboscopic adversarial programming,, IMO

  13. Bruce says:

    I have even entered the wrong address and commenced tearing up the floor with my Bosch SDS hammerchisel which looks eerily like an assault weapon. Am often paranoid just taking it out of its case…

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  15. davidstvz says:

    Sadly, drug warriors would consider unknown ingredients to be a boon that might discourage drug use. The fact that two thirds (!) of all seized cocaine has this de-worming drug added is pretty scary.

  16. Duncan says:

    Speaking of Radley Balko, his site has been down all day, at least from my device. Any chance that the roundup has begun?

  17. Pete says:

    Radley’s had some technical issues with the site. He’s tweeted about it. Doesn’t appear to be roundup-related.

  18. denmark says:

    If you’re interested.
    Sorry, I don’t know how to do the neat type of “here” links.

    Drug cartel chief sentenced in secrecy
    By DANE SCHILLER and JACQUEE PETCHEL Copyright 2009 Houston Chronicle
    Feb. 24, 2010, 10:09PM

  19. Bobby says:

    Legalizing drugs would involve offsetting a whole new set of problems that would be introduced by such an action. I realize the drug problem is devastatingly complex and drug cartels are in danger of ripping society to shreds, but making drugs legal would result in unimaginable negative aftereffects. More people would become addicted to legalized drugs and commit more crimes in order to feed their addiction. Although I am on the fence about legalizing cannabis, I am convinced that legalizing cocaine, speed, heroine or other popular “hard” drugs would be devastating to our communities.

  20. Pete says:

    That’s interesting, Bobby. Where did you get the data about legalization leading to more people becoming addicted? Because the evidence doesn’t show that.

    In countries where decriminalization has happened (such as Portugal), there has been no increase in addiction.

    In fact, when you take the black market out of it, there’s less incentive to try to get people addicted, so drugs are more likely to be safer and less likely to lead to serious dependency. Also, in a legal and regulated market, those with a problem are more likely to be able to seek help.

    There will be fewer people stealing or committing other crimes to get drugs because prices will be set by us, rather than by criminals. And those using drugs won’t be automatically tied into the criminal community.

    Also, keep in mind that there are many ways of legalizing drugs — each one will be different. It doesn’t mean that heroin will be sold in the 7-11. You might have to go to a clinic to get it.

    Our communities will be far better off if we regulate drugs rather than turning it over to the criminals to do it for us.

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