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Just making it up as he goes along

Kevin Sabet currently is at a Philosophy Festival called How The Light Gets In 2014 where he is a panelist in a sold-out event entitled “Morality, Hypocrisy, and Health.” (I’ll let you decide where he fits in.)

Here are a couple of tweets quoting his statements in the panel:

Daniel Hultgren @diftol
“The alcohol & cigarette industries would only benefit from the legalization of controlled substances.” @KevinSabet smashing it at #HTLGI14

retweeted by Kevin Sabet

and

Daniel Hultgren @diftol
“It’s the values of Wall St. that are driving the push towards legalization of cannabis” @KevinSabet #HTLGI14

retweeted by Kevin Sabet

Wow. Not even an attempt to make the appearance of a connection to reality.

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34 comments to Just making it up as he goes along

  • Thug Watch

    *from SensibleBC*.. If you haven’t heard already, an anti-marijuana group from the United States has started setting up chapters in Canada. Backed by former US Congressman Patrick Kennedy, ‘Smart Approaches to Marijuana’, (SAM Canada), has branded themselves as a third approach to marijuana reform, between prohibition and legalization. Essentially they are advocating a forced treatment regime to combat ‘marijuana addiction’.
    Last Friday, we took steps to engage Patrick Kennedy in an open debate at SAM’s first event in Vancouver. Not only were we not invited to attend, their organizers attempted to bar anyone from Sensible BC from buying tickets. They clearly weren’t interested in being challenged on their policies or having any sort of open debate on the issue.

    Despite their best attempts to screen pro-marijuana advocates, we managed to get into the poorly attended event. We were shocked by the level of prohibitionist rhetoric we heard. To quote Patrick Kennedy:

    “Big tobacco and big marijuana are the same thing. Jeopardizing mental and physical health of Canadians by saying it’s harmless is propaganda. The impact of propaganda is dangerous. Facts and empirical evidence are on our side.”

  • Jean Valjean

    It’s funny how the alcohol industry is one of the largest lobbying groups SUPPORTING prohibition. The last thing they want is legalization.
    And Stupid Patrick can go on opening his mouth as much as he likes, as far as I’m concerned…

  • Servetus

    Kevin Sabet’s event (#124 in the list) is itemized as a philosophy session. For Mr. Sabet, this means it’s not about the science. Not when the forum topic asks, “is the war on drugs a genuine attempt to improve our wellbeing? ” Kevin will say yes, because he’s not a scientist, nor is he a philosopher.

    Kevin Sabet is a religious fanatic, a professional zealot determined to impose Baha’i canon law onto a largely unwilling public in the U.S. and Canada, and from there the world. Baha’i, is an offshoot of Sufism, which is an offshoot of Islam. Thus Baha’i severely rejects recreational cannabis use, as well as alcohol use of any kind. The religion is dominionist, meaning that it seeks world domination.

    So what’s next? Will Kevin Sabet prohibit chefs and other denizens of the world from cooking with Sherri? He must have a terrible time when ordering at a gourmet restaurant. If Sabet is going to hang out with the Kennedys, he better learn how to knock back a few shots of good Irish whiskey.

  • Pete-the link gets a 404 – Page not found.

    • Was working earlier – they must have changed the link. New link there now links directly to the event description.

      • Pete Bulkner

        Everything you do here is un-American & harmful to the status quo of my job. I seriously hate you. You are costing me my life. You don’t understand that it’s best that marijuana remain illegal so 1,000’s dont lose their jobs in the enforcement Gig.Pete you are telling kids we lied. Which we only make a few exaggerated things here and there to keep them away. But you guys are costing us jobs & security. I really wish people who see you guys as the terrorist you are.

        • jean valjean

          eureka! finally a prohib who’s naive enough to admit its all about saving his job.

        • thelbert

          i think pete bulkner is trying to be some kind of comedian. he sure makes me laugh.

        • DonDig

          .
          What we are doing may well be something you do not like, but it is the 4:00 am no-knock raids that are terrorism. Criminalizing anyone for their choice of intake is terrorism.

          When the cannabis industry is embraced medically, industrially, and recreationally, it will create so many more non-violent jobs there will probably be no comparison.

          You’re reaction is your choice of course. You can see the opportunities that provide less oppression and greater freedom for all, or you can feel victimized: your choice.

          Peace and goodwill to you.

  • Kevin and Patrick keep talking about big marijuana to the wrong audiences. In Canada, for example, new regulations restrict medical marijuana production to commercial growers. http://tinyurl.com/lnxkxfj

    In Michigan a plan passed by the State would give the main production of marijuana to a large firm. In Illinois huge expenses ensure none but those at the corporate levels have enough capital to apply. I will agree with Kevin and Patrick about big marijuana in this respect: when legalizing marijuana in states, the effort to control production appears to legislators to be easier if you just turn it over to some big outfit to grow it all. States that take this approach will be in effect handing marijuana production over to “big tobacco” type companies.

    It is the State governments themselves in their infinite wisdom pushing the ball into the big tobacco court.

    Keeping the marijuana fear factor high is helping Kevin and Patrick to ensure that the “big tobacco/marijuana” scenario is sure to stay in the picture. Heaven forbid that these dangerous plants might end up in America’s back yards.

    I don’t view Kevin and Patrick as prohibitionists. I view them as government connected saboteurs to the legalization of marijuana. Paid marijuana hit men.

    Where does all the money for this SAM stuff come from?

    • claygooding

      I sent Windy Davis,(D) candidate for gov in TX,that if marijuana production needed to be kept secure then every prison farm in TX could raise it,,the state could sell it in the liquor stores for $10 and ounce and make $5 taxes off each sale,,the price would be so low the black market would dry up.
      With as many prisons as we have they could grow a different strain at each one and offer a menu to compete with anyone’s dispensary.
      I also told her that allowing prisoners to use cannabis would reduce the violence in the prisons.

      • B. Snow

        For those outside Texas:
        “The Democratic candidate for governor will be hosting the country music legend in Houston on April 27 for a “Backyard BBQ,” according to an email sent to supporters Friday.”

        Read more: at Politico

        News about the Party/Fundraiser was also on Huff Po -as well- (back on April 11th), the very next day after she met with Pres. Obama (April 10th) – which Huffpo also covered… Hhmm???

        I gotta bunch of email about it… the Event w/ Willie – not so much about marijuana ‘per se’ it was a fundraiser!

        (Although that WOULD be a classic example of ‘Political Signalling’… And here in Texas we tend to call people on shit like that, If/Or when they try to deny they weren’t “Politically “Signalling any such thing…) *looks at the Prez*

        For the record/FWIW – she’s okay with medical marijuana – and told reporters (in varied terms) = She’d be okay with legalizing it if the the State/Voters wanted it = AKA, she’d follow along with whatever the popular opinion is = like a GOOD Politician!) *looks at the Prez aagin*

        Depending on the source of the article it was stuff like: “Will, Abbott’s campaign try to tie her to Willie Nelson’s 2010 MJ bust?” – as if that would be totally shocking to millions of Americans! Really?
        HuffPost mentions one email with that in it = that I got AND I actually read! – Here:

        At least one by Politico was more – “She thinks we should look at Colorado/Washington” and see how that works, OR “We should look at the cost of incarceration and decide if we really want to spend our tax dollars on that…”
        That was after Gov. Perry talked about “Decriminalization” w/ Kofi Annan at the (‘The World Economic Forum’ in Davos).
        I’d bet Abbott was really unhappy pissed-off about that little incident… Almost as much as the folks at Perry’s Office having to answer the phones here while he was still gone – IDK about his ‘PR’ people though? = Could’ve been their idea in the first place.

        (Here’s where I bring it back ‘On Topic’) “But, the smart money here” would say -that he was- “Just making it up as he went along!” – and… *Hat-Tip*

    • kaptinemo

      Anyone want to lay some money down that ol’ Kevvie never really left ONDCP?

      Oh, sure,on paper he’s gone. But the question you raise is one that a lot of people in the reform movement would like to know. Because for someone without a good-paying real job, he sure does a lot of jetting hither and yon.

      Want to bet that he’s still getting funding from ONDCP?

  • War Vet

    I’d like to see Kevin do a world tour that discusses his mental illness. If he believes marijuana should remain illegal because of dangers and yet we know dangers exist from cars and cars are not illegal, Kevin has no right to not propose making cars illegal as well. But most likely, due to the nature of hypocrisy stating that one one believes in something one doesn’t believe in, we must assume Kevin has no idea cars exist or that car crashes exist as well. If he’s not lobbying for everything dangerous from guns to potato chips being illegal, then we must know he’s mentally ill. I think we would like him and trust him if he was about banning everything dangerous and unhealthy. If we don’t see him urging society to outlaw manufacturing, welding and construction jobs because of their potential dangers, then we know Kevin has no control over his mind and suffers from mental illness and it behooves society to lock him up for the children’s sake.

  • DdC

    Cannabis:
    * Warning Poison
    * Number of people that die each year = 0
    * Antidote = Coffee

    Sabeteurs preferred methods of treatment…

    Drug Index A to Z
    Partial list of Side Effects

    Ambien, delusions,dementia,lack of feeling or emotion,thoughts of killing oneself,confusion,shakiness…

    Celexa, lack of emotion,loss of memory,Behavior change similar to drunkenness,convulsions, (seizures)….

    ATTN!!! THE FDA HAS RECENTLY PULLED VAXADRIN FROM THE SHELVES. ON RARE OCCASIONS IT MAY CAUSE MINOR HEART EXPLOSIONS.

    Adderall, Blistering,peeling,loosening of the skin-difficulty breathing,speaking,swallowing-dizziness….

    Xanax, changes in patterns and rhythms of speech,clumsiness or unsteadiness,difficulty with coordination,shakiness and unsteady walk,feeling sad or empty,trouble performing routine tasks,burning, crawling, itching, numbness, prickling, “pins and needles, or tingling feelings,confusion about identity, place, and time

    Prozac, inability to sit still,difficulty with concentration,drowsiness,mood or behavior changes,purple or red spots on the skin,continuing vomiting

    3 million children taking stimulant drugs for ADHD

    Ganja for ADHD

    • Howard

      “ON RARE OCCASIONS IT MAY CAUSE MINOR HEART EXPLOSIONS.”

      I don’t know about you, but I don’t think there’s any such thing as a “minor” heart explosion (that roused a chuckle). Just to be on the safe side I think I’ll steer clear of Vaxadrin. Thanks for the tip.

    • Howard

      This list reminds me of Olestra. Remember when that came out? A fat substitute that added no fat, calories, or cholesterol. Potato chips were a popular food item that seemed perfect for Olestra. The FDA claimed that Olestra “meets the safety standard for food additives, reasonable certainty of no harm.” Except one interesting side effect (among others). Apparently consuming products containing Olestra could result in “uncontrolled oily discharge”. I remember thinking, “If I need to eat potato chips so bad that I’m willing to shit my pants any where, any time, without warning, I need to seek out other snack alternatives.” I’m not risk averse, but I have my limits.

  • Jean Valjean

    Prozac…side effects include loss of libido… but it’s ok…big pharma has a solution: Viagra!
    Meanwhile, cannabis likely would have taken care of both the depression replacing prozac, and the libido/testosterone shortfall replacing viagra… yet this treatment is usually the last resort for most doctors.

  • pete bulkner

    it is not being arrested for possession of a controlled dangerous substance it is the usage of that substance itself that has done the damage including alcohol. I have seen it first hand over and over. The users couldn’t care less about anything other than getting high. Arrest save lives, legalization promotes death

    • Howard

      Here’s one for you pete bulkner;

      “Marijuana never kicks down your door in the middle of the night. Marijuana never locks up sick and dying people, does not suppress medical research, does not peek in bedroom windows. Even if one takes every reefer madness allegation of the prohibitionists at face value, marijuana prohibition has done far more harm to far more people than marijuana ever could.”

      –William F. Buckley, Jr

      [By the way, I don’t care that William F. Buckley, Jr. came up with this quote. It’s just a great one. That said, kudos to William.]

      • Pete Bulkner

        I’m sorry there Howard you gave me quite the chuckle with your marijuana conspiracies. Reality is this ,It will always be the user and the drugs causing that collateral damage,because like it or not Drugs are Illegal. Maybe if you complied with society’s rules.those things wouldn’t happen.

    • DdC

      bulkner even in your peabrain you must realize crying wolf only works a few times. 80 years of chicken little and no victims with actual bodies or names or addresses must seem kinda peculiar even for the reddest necks. A Trillion spent on the Ganjawar is a Trillion in the Pockets of Prohibitches.

      • Pete Bulkner

        You wanna be the first victim? Do you want to die of a marijuana induced suicidal rage. Do you wanna go “busting caps in schools” cause marijuana made you crazy? Think about this. Sandy Hooks,Virgina Tec,Columbine,Santa Barbara,Boston Marathon,Casey Anthony,Charles Manson,Jerry Sandusky,JohnHolmes (BATMAN),9/11 terrorist, catholic Priesthood involved in sex abuse, R.KELLY,Ted Bundy,Jeffrey Damer,The 6 baby KILLER.Hitler,all have in common? They all started smoking pot. marijuana caused societies problem

        • DdC

          You proved me wrong, I guess your whiny wimpy chicken little god has more control on you than I thought possible for an American. You must be a commie!

        • DdC

          Your Gossip only keeps kids having seizures and cops seizing property. Your Gossip ends with dead people because wimps like you were diverting attention from the true problems. Just for profit used to seem to low for any human to knowingly cause suffering on others. But the drug worriers getting paid and the lapdogs like you show there is no too low. Just a wimpy bigot. Nothing to see here, keep it moving…

          Another Mass Shooting, Another Psychiatric Drug?
          Federal Investigation Long Overdue
          Fact: At least 33 school shootings and/or school-related acts of violence have been committed by those taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs resulting in 177 wounded and 83 killed (in other school shootings, information about their drug use was never made public—neither confirming or refuting if they were under the influence of prescribed drugs).

          “in the war on drugs, unlike any war in American History, unlike any modern civilized war of the past two centuries in this war on drugs they are not stopping the battle and allowing the Red Cross on the field. In fact, they are shooting directly at the sick and at those who are trying to help them..and they are shooting to kill.”
          ~-Peter McWilliams, speech before the LNC, July 4, 1999

  • Duncan20903

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    Today we’re taking a look at a published piece of statistical spin doctoring which utilizes both verbal manure and a presumption that the target audience rarely read past the headline in a news story.

    Marijuana arrests in Charlotte-Mecklenburg
    Police say arrests for marijuana-related offenses have increased in four of the past five years.

    2009: 2,851

    2010: 2,907

    2011: 3,152

    2012: 3,209

    2013: 2,832

    Now isn’t it just precious how they emphasize the number of arrest increasing in 4 out of 5 years but not the fact that there were 19 less arrests in 2013 than in 2009? If you would like to improve your skills in identifying the verbal manure of the prohibitionist cohort, I think that a good place to start is by reading Darrell Huff’s book written in 1954 called “How to Lie with Statistics.” (settle down Mr. Prohibitionist, it’s not a tactical manual.)

  • thelbert

    check out pete b’s comment in this from a year ago: http://tinyurl.com/k2tbx5v. i’d say he’s not the sharpest tool in the shed.

  • Cosmos On Weed with Neil deGrasse Tyson
    http://youtu.be/7uAmJwYenIs
    I know you can appreciate this more than Kevin can.

  • @thelbert–thanks for the link. I honestly thought his post was a prank. The post from a year ago is frightening stuff. Yep, not the sharpest tool.Well, should the labor camps need help, he appears to be their guy.

    Regarding the other tool in the shed (Sabet), he was comic relief for the conference I suppose. Surely they could do better.

  • DdC

    A new way to heal santacruzsentinel.com
    Santa Cruz nonprofit navigates politics, science to put MDMA on path to clinical use

    The early returns are more than positive. Studies are showing MDMA several times more effective than either Zoloft or Paxil at treating PTSD.

    MAPS Announce Orphan Drug Designation for Cannabis
    By Rick Doblin October 11, 1999

    Just a slimy trail of corruption

    New on Erowid: 7 EcstasyData Results

    http://tokesignals.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/ptsd-pot.jpg