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Weekend thread

I’m in Chicago hosting a theatre weekend trip, so I have nothing to add right now.

However, if you’re looking for interesting stories in drug policy, be sure to read the comments, because this group is always on top of it!

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46 comments to Weekend thread

  • Duncan20903

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    When I was a wee lad of 16 years (give or take) one of my favorite TV shows was Kojak. Recently I started to watch re-runs of that show. I found very amusing that the 5th season included a 2 part episode called “The Summer of ’69” which was first broadcast in the winter of 1978. What I thought particularly remarkable about that episode was that it featured a commercial indoor cannabis grow op in New York City. Even more remarkable is that the grow was incidental to the main plot. They didn’t even show the growers getting busted despite the fact that at the end of part 2 Kojak shot and killed the antagonist in the grow room.

    If you’re interested:

    Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAQqonFd7wE
    Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Jv21wULgdo

    The last 7 minutes or so of Part 2 is worth watching just for the opportunity to laugh at a commercial grow that used florescent lighting and had the walls lined with aluminum foil. Yes folks, that is how we did it back in 1978, but no, our plants weren’t made of plastic.

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    • Liam

      Speaking of which, one of my favorite films depicting THE PLANT’s fun side as a plot point is William Powell’s, Jewel Robbery:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewel_Robbery

      Wherein his victims willing forgive their loss after a couple whiffs of smoke from THE PLANT’s cremated remains.

      I think Osborne on TCM said it was the last film to show THE PLANT as innocuous before a change in censorship law forbid its depiction in any way other than deprecatingly.

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  • Tony Aroma

    this group is always on top of it!

    That’s what she said!

    Just thought I’d lower the bar for future commenters.

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  • strayan

    If a Police Dog “Alerts,” Should You Lose Your Cash, Car and Other Property?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mDXYqUfvaVc

    Remember that:

    for the period of October 1, 2000, through September 30, 2011, the DEA and other federal agencies processed over 150,644 seized assets valued at about $9.2 billion of which $5.5 billion (60 percent) originated from seizures processed by the DEA and $3.7 billion (40 percent) originated from seizures processed by other federal agencies. http://www.justice.gov/oig/reports/2012/a1240.pdf

    What do they do with all this stolen money? Buy prisons of course:

    Federal government will buy Ill. prison for $165M

    $151 million would come from the department’s assets forfeiture fund http://goo.gl/uR4ob

    It’s a right scam they’ve got going on.

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  • liberty

    I am a resident of Washington State. I just turned in my absentee ballot and vote yes on I-502. I saw a few commercials early, recently Pat Slack has been on a media blitz to protect his federal trough. Other than that not much news about I-502, Any others have any current feedback on I-502’s chances?

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  • josh dean

    I-502 will cause a increase of cancer,rape,child molestion, robberys,murder and other high crime. Vote no on I-502,save america’s children not the dopers

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    • claygooding

      No thanks,,we don’t drink alcohol much here.

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      • josh dean

        Clay I do not drink alcohol, I am straight egde. It’s my duty to force my lifestyle on others,drugs any kind even soft drinks are bad. I remember the days when me and my crew old school and new, would go to concerts and beat the ever living shit out of people who drank or smoked pot in front of us. Drugs are not “cool” they make you losers and all users of any kind of drug (legal or illegal) deserve to die. Thank you

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        • darkcycle

          We’re used to better quality trolls here, Josh. Take it to “Just Say Now” where comments of that gutter quality will get you the abusive responses you want. Here, it’s ho-hum….Somebody get the Wiggler to show Josh how trolls really roll, huh?

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        • divadab

          I think Josh is being sarcastic – “it’s my duty to force my lifestyle on others” is the giveaway. “drugs any kind even soft drinks are bad” is icing on the cake.

          Nice work Josh. If you are being serious, holy crap, you are one dumb bunny!

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    • thelbert

      if it’s a choice between dooming the youth to a life of freedom or “saving” the dopers, i choose both. josh never use marijuana, especially if you get cancer. drugs are bad, josh. all drugs.

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    • Duncan20903

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      In 1996 California voters approved the Compassionate Use Act (CUA). Most people call it Prop 215. It didn’t go into effect until 1997 so 1996 is the last year that California had no medicinal cannabis patient protection law.

      Between 1996 and 2010 the crime rate in California dropped off a cliff, falling 40.29%.
      The property crime rate fell 39.339%.
      The violent crime rate dropped 48.928%.

      http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/cacrime.htm

      Crime is down significantly nationwide in that time frame you say? You are correct.

      Between 1996 and 2010 the nationwide crime rate fell 34.242%.
      The property crime rate fell 33.905%.
      The violent crime rate fell 36.601%.

      Please let’s remember that the crime rate is expressed per capita and that California has a wee bit better than 12% of the nation’s residents. That certainly boosted the nationwide rate.

      http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

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  • Klay

    I wish “small” government Republicans would decide for small government and end prohibition. Unfortunately, I do not think my current home state of TX will consider it for a long time. I wish Gary Johnson would be on the debates so this and other issues ignored by Obama and Romney would get talked about – NDAA, Patriot Act, our Tax system, War on Drugs…

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  • Pricknick

    Police subverting legal Michigan Medical Marijuana Law, entrapping, intimidating and tricking patients and caregivers in Southwest Michigan.
    It’s a head site and the info is true.

    http://hempbeach.com/police-subverting-legal-michigan-medical-marijuana-law-entrapping-intimidating-and-tricking-patients-and-caregivers-in-southwest-michigan/

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  • Servetus

    The Philadelphia Prohibition Museum exhibit will run through April 28, 2013, before beginning tours through other cities.

    http://tinyurl.com/8jnhtz3

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  • Bruce

    Just had a vision of Mr Josh dangling by the neck from an overpass, his cardboard sign; ‘Drone Pilot”
    A most interesting world we live in.

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  • Peter

    ” It’s my duty to force my lifestyle on others” josh dean. A mantra for everyy prohibitionist thats ever lived

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  • ezrydn

    No drugs for Josh. Does that include nicotine and caffine? Hummm?

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    • Deep Dish

      Or, for that matter, birthday cake?

      In this paper, I will argue that sugar in fact has many drug-like properties that need to be taken into consideration when classifying this substance purely as a food in order to understand the benefits and dangers of sugar to our minds and bodies.

      A drug is defined as “any absorbed substance that changes or enhances any physical or psychological function in the body” (Liska, 1986). For example, as Weil and Rosen state, “Most people would agree that heroin is a drug. It is a white powder that produces striking changes in the body and mind in tiny doses. […] Sugar is also a white powder that strongly affects the body, and some experts say it affects mental function and mood as well” (1983, p. 9). But the one substance is highly stigmatized in North American culture, whereas the other is highly accepted. Why then do we make a distinction between the two? Often it is easy to make a distinction between good and bad drugs. For instance, we tend to label prescriptive drugs as being good drugs, and drugs taken for the sole purpose of pleasure, such as heroin and alcohol, as bad drugs (Weil and Rosen, 1983, p. 9-11). This qualitative distinction is not based on scientific or medical reasoning, but rather on arbitrary religious and cultural beliefs or political and historical factors. 2 “The difference between Prozac and Ecstasy is mostly a matter of marketing” (South, 1999, p. 3).

      http://www.lurj.org/article.php/vol1n1/sugar.xml

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      • Servetus

        You’re right on, Deep Dish.

        A few weeks ago I passed two twelve-year-old boys on the street and I overheard one say to the other, “I got hella high on sugar last night!”

        If there’s a way to get high, people will get high.

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      • Liam

        Got my vote, Deep Dish. They’re both chemotactic attractors of about equal pull in that attraction to altered states of consciousness is found throughout the animal kingdom and ranks as power of attraction along with food and reproduction.

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      • 30+ years ago black comedian Dick Gregory called sugar “the most dangerous drug in America.” Of course he also claimed to be America’s most dangerous black man. He may have been…

        Here’s a 2012 interview:

        Legends of comedy: Interview with Dick Gregory and Paul Mooney

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      • Servetus

        Sugar: the gateway drug to red meat.

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      • josh dean

        Didn’t I say (legal or illegal) drugs including soda and anything that alters the human mind to any effect? Damn bro you smoke to much you can not read right.fucking idoit. I bet you molest children too, don’t you ,you sick fucks. That goes to all of you. Next time read what people post. Don’t skim through it while gentally stroking your penises into oblivion. You any idea how many children are molested by pot smokers? They need to focus on telling the public that most weedheads over the age of 21 molest children in order to fight their withdrawl symtomes caused by the marijuana. This happens with 98% of marijuana addicts. It is well documented and highly study subject. Look it up potheads. Be lucky I’m not in your town beating you up

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        • thelbert

          for a guy that hates the dopers you seem to spend a lot of time worrying about them. have you pounded every doper in your town yet? pounding your pud doesn’t count. i have been smoking cannabis since i was in viet nam, 1968. still not addicted. you, on the other hand are addicted to hate. i feel sorry for your pathetic ass.

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        • divadab

          Dang! Maybe this fricking guy IS serious! Seriously creative of crap you just can’t make up!

          I feel dirty just reading his spew of verbal diarrhea!

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        • darkcycle

          …ho-hum, I miss Mr. Wiggles. At least the Wiggler could rap. Josh is a grade “c” troll, at best.

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  • Francis

    Legalizing marijuana is like a jump from the edge of space . . . risky!

    I can’t see any flaws with that analogy.

    The prohibitionists’ apparent obsession with people jumping off of rooftops / falling from the sky is one I’ll never understand.

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  • darkcycle

    Busy day. The Central American drug war is dirty. And now, people are noticing:
    http://truth-out.org/news/item/12236-our-men-in-honduras-losing-control-of-the-war-on-drugs

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    • yeah… grumblemmummblegrr… the other America.

      and yet the WOD is not worthy of mention by our 2 ‘top’ prez candidates. Gary Johnson and Jill Stein will talk about it… wtf?

      How little in modern life is not affected by the wod? It’s friggin everywhere – our schools, homes, cities, jobs, neighboring and not-so neighboring countries, our urine… how pervasive does stink have to get before we start hearing a collective “Pee-e-eew!”

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  • WatchinItCrumble

    Darkcycle, it’s becoming no fun reading the comment sections at those opinion pieces anymore. Prohibitionists rarely stick their head out anymore in them and prohibition authors never dare wade into the comment section to defend their position. I don’t have cable, I miss the entertainment.

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    • darkcycle

      Yeah, it’s almost not fun anymore. If it’s heads you want to cut, (and cutting heads is one of my favorite passtimes) Duncan helpfully pointed out that drug articles in sports oriented websites and magazine sites seem to be the last vestige of the prohib-minded voter. Sites like People magazine also bring them out of their cloistered little hidey-holes. Beware, the intelligence quotient falls off the proverbial cliff at those sites. Google news alerts can be custom tweaked to look for sports and celebrity drug stories. Happy hunting. I encourage others to take up this fulfilling activity since I have precious little time to devote to it these days. Today has been a wonderful exception. I’ve been in three running battles concurrently all day. Only one peripherally concerned drugs though, or I’d linky.

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      • for some sports help Joe Rogan and many of the fighters in UFC/MMA are believers in how ganja helps them post-fight. You might also want to advocate NBA and NFL players (and others in contact sports) should consume ganja for it’s neuro-protective benefits. I can hear the heads exploding from here.

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  • claygooding

    Speaking of sports,,fucking Patriots and NYJets into overtime and messing up the 60 Minutes mmj show,,,damn!

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    • claygooding

      It aired as soon as the game ended and it was excellent,,no prohibitionist was even allowed to speak,,,

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  • Peter

    I don’t listen to commercial radio as a rule but was at a relative’s today and heard an ad for a group of MI legislators who are running for re-election. What really got me was the female “smiley” voice-over (think detergent or bank ad)cheerfully telling us that so and so “keeps criminals in jail and out of our neighborhoods, so we KNOW he’s tough on crime.” There was an assumption of a complete lack of interest by the target audience for who or what the “criminal” might actually be, and that keeping them away from “us” was the only right and proper stance to take. How did we get to the point where politicians gain votes by boasting about riding roughshod over human-rights concerns? Populism of the lowest common denominator of course…

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  • http://tinyurl.com/9bbmdc7
    Nice bit from tonights 60 Minutes on Colorados Green Rush.

    Poor Michigan has the Dow Chemical crowd in office now. Hopefully they won’t be fooled again.

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  • cultural dyslexia in translation software? There is one sentence that is almost grammatically and contextually correct! of course as many people sit on this couch when someone says, “I have definitely picked up anything new from right here” I begin to worry…

    … picked up what from here? I think Pete had the couch ScotchGuarded® so it’d be easy to clean. And I know a few nurses… (and truly, a tip o’ the hat to good nurses) (and good waitresses!) (ok… and bad nurses .)

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  • kaptinemo

    Been gone a week and plenty happened. But Troll Quality Assurance is definitely falling down on the job. We haven’t dined on a nicely (warning! double entendre ahead!) ‘marbled’ roasted troll in many years.

    Just no substance to them at all, anymore; rhetorically bite into one and they either make an anemic pop or a flatulence-like noise (but don’t they always?). Very unappetizing.

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  • Peter

    i cant link as im writing on my phone but the guardian has a bizarre interview with peter hitchens on how the wod has never been fought. the mans ignorance of drugs and addiction is overwhelming. he readily admits to never having seen a person withdrawing from heroin or cannabis yet feels qualified to pontificate about the relative dangers of both drugs. according to hitchens thers no such thing as addiction just bad people with no sense of working for their reward

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  • Duncan20903

    darkcycle, this is local to you so it’s up to you to go beat the tar out of these assholes. Talk about shit for brains combined with bad timing:

    Liquor board seizes pot enriched beer from Tacoma medical marijuana outlet after sale to minor

    Officials seized cases of beer Friday from a medical marijuana outlet in Tacoma, after the store sold alcohol labeled ”cannabis enriched” to a minor during an undercover buy operation, according to the state liquor control board.
    /snip/

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  • Duncan20903

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    Sometimes I feel like I was transported to an alternative universe without being notified. How in the heck can so much “science” exist that claims so many things that I’ve just never seen in my world? Well anyway forget all of those cachexia patients using cannabis to stop barfing, it appears that cannabis makes you puke your guts out. Well at least it does in the alternate universe where the Know Nothing prohibitionists live:

    Marijuana Use May Cause Severe Cyclic Nausea, Vomiting

    Seriously, has anyone ever seen a person barfing from choosing to enjoy cannabis? Hell it doesn’t need to be that specific, has anyone ever seen any living thing barf due to ingesting cannabis?

    Honest, I swear I was born on the planet Earth, 3rd stone from the sun. How I ended up in this place I just don’t have a clue. It’s a really sophisticated replica and I might never have noticed if I didn’t have certain interests that caused me to ask pertinent questions. I really must find a darling pair of red ruby slippers so can get the heck back to Kansas. Where is that man behind the curtain? Perhaps he lives in Australia or New Zealand?

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