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bullet image Federal Marijuana Classification Should Change, Gregoire and Chafee Say – New York Times. It should more than change, but this is another good step. Keep the pressure on the feds – this time from governors.


bullet image Points: The Blog of the Alcohol and Drugs History Society is doing a series of interviews with Rick Doblin of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS).


bullet image Civil Liberties Oversight Board Still Dormant
In 2007, Congress established an independent agency to “analyze and review actions the executive branch takes to protect the Nation from terrorism, ensuring that the need for such actions is balanced with the need to protect privacy and civil liberties”; and to “ensure that liberty concerns are appropriately considered in the development and implementation of laws, regulations, and policies related to efforts to protect the Nation against terrorism.”

Almost five years later and two people have been nominated for the agency (not even a quorum) and nobody confirmed.

In related news… Senate Votes To Let Military Detain Americans Indefinitely


bullet image Teaching Good Sex

Interesting read that is peripherally related to drug policy. It drives home how horrible the teaching is that we provide for the vast majority of kids when you see a few brave souls doing it the way it should be done.


bullet image NIDA Teens presents: Space Wrangler!


bullet image Hey, all you black people in jail for drugs. Don’t frown – the Drug Czar has your back! He’s declared the drug war over! So smile, sit back in your cell and relax. The Drug Czar also knows that we can’t arrest our way out of drug problems, so for the 1.6 million people that are arrested on non-violent drug charges this year – don’t worry, be happy – you’re just part of a balanced approach!

Drug Czar Says African Americans Are More Affected by the ‘Drug Problem’ — Here’s Why That’s Propaganda by Tony Newman at Alternet.


bullet image Extremely disturbing filing by federal attorneys in the Julian Heicklen case. Heicklen is being charged for passing out flyers about jury nullification.

In response to Julian Heicklen’s motion to dismiss his indictment on First Amendment grounds, federal attorneys have filed a response with the court. Here is the federal government’s position: “[T]he defendant’s advocacy of jury nullification, directed as it is to jurors, would be both criminal and without Constitutional protections no matter where it occurred” [emphasis added]. This is really astonishing.

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75 comments to Open Thread

  • claygooding

    Every governor from a state with medical marijuana or with bills working their way through their legislatures needs to be signed on to the request for re-classification.

    So if you live in a state with the law in place or working on one,,write your governor and let him have the chance to join the two already requesting the change.

    PS,,I would write my governor but I ain’t sure he could read it,every time he opens his mouth on a debate he embarrasses Texas even worse than Bush did.

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  • Delicatelyexquisite

    All Coloradans should feel proud of Sheriff Sullivan; He valiantly protected Arapahoe County from the scourge of medical marijuana while having sex for meth. This former “sheriff of the year” has been arrested and sent to the jail named after him.

    http://denver.cbslocal.com/2011/11/29/former-arapahoe-county-sheriff-arrested-on-drug-charge/

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    • claygooding

      Hmmm,,against mmj and bailing out meth offenders for sex,,,sounds to me like Colorado has some more educating to do.

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    • Duncan20903

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      Nah, c’mon, old Strom Thurmond had a bad case of jungle fever and it didn’t stop him from being a racist. Just because they shtup them doesn’t mean they respect them or think they should be treated like human beings. Sheesh, what’s next, equal rights for their sheep too?

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    • Duncan20903

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      Former Sheriff. Current director of safety and security for Cherry Creek Schools.

      Can we find a record of him saying “what about the gol durned children?!?”

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      • I don’t mean to laugh at another’s misfortune but being housed in a county detention facility named in your honor is just too f’in cool… I swear, that’s reality’s acid. National Sheriff’s Assoc Sheriff of the Year… and he’s willing to trade some crank for sex with a man. It makes it easy to see why they’d honor such a… man.

        It’s a fact, ever’body’s poop stinks. Some worse than others of course.

        Watching my local evening news tonite and they covered the Chaffee/Gregoire stance and actually used the word cannabis without difficulty. Speaking of which…

        These two State Governors are elected, currently serving politicians taking a stand, they haven’t retired. Send ‘em a thank you. Seriously.

        Gregoire: governor.gregoire@governor.wa.gov
        Phone: 360-902-4111 | FAX: 360-753-4110

        Chafee: governor@governor.ri.gov
        Phone: (401) 222-2080

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        • Duncan20903

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          Speak for your own poop. I paid up and had an eco-friendly defecant processing system installed in my colon. Now my poop emerges pre-composted and smelling of lilacs. I admit I get strange looks in public men’s rooms, though not as strange as those reserved for Sheriff Sullivan.
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          Hey allan, don’t forget Governor Shumlin of Vermont and the Colorado Legislature. Believe it or not Governor Christie of New Jersey might jump on the bandwagon too.

          You know, I never thought I’d be able to name so many State’s Governors off the cuff.

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  • EndOfPolitics

    “But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D. …

    … Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.

    http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html

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    • Brandon E.

      That entire excerpt is worth a read.

      “‎This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes.”

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  • darkcycle

    The Federal Attourney in your last entry needs to look up the words “Prior Restraint” and then when he’s famiar with the terms, he needs to look at the case law.
    No (incorrupt) judge would ever agree to that.

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    • Duncan20903

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      DC I fear that you have forgotten that being under the influence of authoritarian dogma is enough to corrupt the human soul. No bribes or extortion worthy information needed.

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  • Jules

    https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/apply-full-scientific-integrity-ondcp/fNDZQwpP

    Started a petition asking for full scientific integrity to the ONDCP. Told Dark Cycle I would do it a long time ago.

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  • ezrydn

    OT – Sort of. My brother Vets on the Couch, take note. Rcvd. from a vet bro’ today.
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    As I’m sure you have witnessed during military funerals, a soldier bends to one knee and recites a scripted message to a surviving relative that begins:

    ‘On behalf of the President of the United States and a grateful nation, I wish to present you with this flag in appreciation for your husband’s service …’

    However, today the dialogue was ‘On behalf of the Secretary of Defense and a grateful nation…’

    After the service, I approached the soldier who presented the flag to my aunt to inquire about the change in language. His response was: “The White House notified all military funeral service detachments to immediately remove ‘the President’ and insert ‘the Secretary of Defense’.

    I couldn’t believe what I heard and the soldier just smiled and said, “You can draw your own conclusion, Sir, but that was the order”. He, too, was ashamed of what he was required to say.
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    It must feel really good to be an ELITIST Asshole!

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  • darkcycle

    Are you..? You’re not shitting, are you EZ? That’s effing unreal.

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    • darkcycle

      Thanks Pete. I hadn’t really checked into it yet but I had planned to. Sure sounds awful on it’s face. Didn’t know there were different preferred wordings.

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  • claygooding

    Military Protocols for Funerals Changed by Order of the White House-Fiction!

    A spokesperson for U.S. Army Public Affairs Department told TruthOrFiction.com that there has not been any official change in the protocol of presenting the flag to the family of a member of the military who has died.

    It says fiction in the title,,hmmm,,perhaps more Republican smearing,,they are so good at it and Obama is so open for it.

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  • Duncan20903

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    “Weed Wars” tonight at 10 PM (actual time) on “Discovery.” This is a must watch for somebody.

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  • ezrydn

    My bud’s not usually one for ‘rumors.’ Wasn’t then and isn’t now. I find it ironic that a non-truth could be so easily believed by combat types in reference to the current POTUS. He makes it so. Wonder what the Secret Service uses as his codename? I got some thoughts. LOL

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    • Duncan20903

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      “Renegade”

      “Renaissance” (Michelle), “Radiance” (Malia) and “Rosebud” (Sasha).

      http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-secret-service-code-names-obama,0,2687400.story

      R R R R

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    • tensity1

      Maybe more blame should be placed on the people who want to believe bad shit about the Pres.

      Don’t get me wrong, he’s pissed me off with his various failures, but that doesn’t absolve all the people who want to believe bad shit about him for falling for the various partisan and racist bullshit.

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      • darkcycle

        I don’t think anybody here WANTS to think bad thoughts about the POTUS. It’s that there is so much about his performance on real, concrete issues that makes something like this believable. If you’ll review, my reaction was incredulous, I don’t think anybody here is going to rely on second or third hand testimony when the google is so close…

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        • I never found this believable at all, simply because Obama has turned out to be as much a warmonger as Bush. The only reason we’re pulling out of Iraq at all, is because of the Bush agreement. Obama spent months trying to change that before giving in.

          Obama also finds every opportunity to praise the troops (did you see the Thanksgiving commercials?) But what’s really going on there – just as in every football game with their “Official Military Appreciation Sponsors” – is really a promotion of the war machine, not the troops.

          I don’t think many of the politicians really care about the troops. They care about the war profits, and the power they get from war. But they’re all opportunistic enough that they would never pass up the opportunity to be connected with the troops.

          I think plenty of bad thoughts about the President, but it’s not because he’s a “muslim” or “Kenyan” or “socialist” or any of that crap that the right wing noise machine wastes its time on, but because he’s turned out to be an authoritarian that is looking to solidify the backwards moves started by Bush-Cheney.

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        • tensity1

          Oh, I wholeheartedly agree with Pete and DC. In fact, it was one of your posts, DC, that codfied for me why I felt Obama failed our country. My comment isn’t directly for EZ or generally for the regulars here. I simply don’t know you all personally to pass that kind of judgment.

          As much as Obama has disappointed me, I’m more disappointed–but not surprised–at the level of vitriol various segments of the country have hurled his way. That’s my cynicism from growing up in the Deep South, and this craziness trying to portray Obama as an other is something I feel citizens should guard against. That’s simply my point.

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  • Duncan20903

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    32 States with medicinal cannabis patient or practitioner protection laws? My last count said 27 + DC but I admit I’m not very good with math once I use up all my fingers and toes. But I think they missed the 5 repeals or sunsets of those with medicinal practitioner protection laws (light green States).

    http://badgerherald.com/news/2011/11/30/dem_leaders_reintrod.php

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  • Nunavut Tripper

    This just in from Nazi Canada…our honorable Prime Minister, Stephen Hitler likes to sing at various photo ops.
    He likes the Beatles and did a rendition of Lennons
    ” Imagine “.
    http://njnnetwork.com/2011/04/yoko-ono-cant-imagine-stephen-harper-singing-lennon/

    Yoko didn’t like Harpo abusing the song and pulled it from U-tube with limited success I guess.

    Meanwhile back at another event he did McCartneys song
    ” I get high with a little help from my Friends ”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOt2Qp0H9G8

    Yes Paul was referring to toking cannabis in those lyrics. What I can’t figure out…is he so stupid that he doesn’t know what those lyrics mean ?
    Or is he snarky enough to wave it in our face as he tries to pass bill S-10 with it’s draconian penalties for
    weed ?

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    • Duncan20903

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      Lawrence Welk covered “One Toke Over The Line.” A modern spiritual, no fooling.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye3ecDYxOkg

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      • Matthew Meyer

        Really nice link!

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        • darkcycle

          I poured hot wax into my ears so I couldn’t listen anymore, and very nearly clawed out my own eyes upon viewing that snippet. Luckily, the pain from the burning wax caused me to black out before I was able to do much permanant damage to my eyelids.
          That’s cruel, Duncan.

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        • Duncan20903

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          It’s a shame that you don’t groove to hip music DC, but I guess it’s a good thing I decided to pass on posting the Link to Mr. Welk and his friends covering the Velvet Underground.

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    • kaptinemo

      Harper’s only doing the bidding of his corp-rat masters.

      Google the following:

      Harper Versailles France 2003

      to see who those might be.

      Amazing, isn’t it, how, after meeting (in secret, behind the backs of Canadians) with the top banksters on the planet, Harper’s lackluster campaign took off like a shot? Former dark horse takes the lead? And how has Canada fared since that meeting and his ‘election’? No better than America did after Bush Too met with them in 1999, or Obama in 2008.

      Banksters want to keep cannabis illegal to reap the benefits of dirty money laundering. Harper meets with the banksters, and gets a ‘little help from his friends’. Harper then comes out of nowhere and starts proposing crazy-ass US-style DrugWar operations geared mainly at cannabis suppression. Coincidence?

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  • Francis

    Following up on a discussion from a few threads ago, there really are people that think alcohol is not a true “drug.” From a Fox News commenter earlier today:

    show me 1000 users of alcohol and i will show you 20 alcohlics, show me 1000 drug users and i will show you 1000 drug addicts. simple as that!

    So… the addiction rate for alcohol is 2% and for all other recreational drugs, it’s 100%? Now, those numbers seemed a little suspect to me, and unfortunately they didn’t provide a cite. What’s a reliable source for some actual numbers with an explanation for the criteria used to determine “dependence” / “addiction”? For example, I see a lot of claims that 9% of cannabis users are addicted / dependent. Where is that number coming from?

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    • thelbert

      for some reason the elite have decided alcohol is the default drug. as such it’s not even a drug at all. it’s almost a nutrient. you got a problem with that?

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    • Duncan20903

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      Francis, there has been a boatload of activity, and it seems that you’ve missed the boat. It’s been over 10 years since the definition of the word “addiction” was modified and now includes anyone willing to break the law in order to get high (or commits another crime as a direct result of getting high, e.g. a drunken bar room fight. This almost never applies to potheads.) That definition works pretty well if only applied to peripheral activities such as committing a burglary to fund a heroin/cocaine/meth habit or driving while in a drunken stupor to the liquor store because it’s almost closing time and you don’t want to be stuck drinking Listerine until the bar/liquor store reopens at 7 A.M.* It does not work when applied to simple possession. But unfortunately the addictionologists (read: phrenologists) discovered that health insurance plans would pay for the “treatment” of the fiction of merrywanna addiction. Their only choices were to either redefine the word or pass on all those balloons.

      BTW this means that there are around 100 million Americans who legitimately qualify under the new definition as merrywanna “addicts” in the United States. It also means that the word “addiction” is just a shell of its former self. The Humpty Dumpty School of Sophistry indeed.

      When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,’ it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.’

      ‘The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’

      ‘The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master – that’s all.

      “Through the Looking-Glass” ~ Lewis Carroll (1872)

      (Tick Tock Liquors in Hyattsville MD opens at 7 A.M. to cater to the commuter trade, look it up. Oh my word, it seems they also get raided by the Feds. Bootlegging drinking alcohol, cigarettes, dealing cocaine and corruption of public officials (PG police officers). How in the hell did I not hear about this, less than 5 miles from the very deep, dark cave which I call my home? They may not be opening at all any more.
      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/15/AR2010111503261.html )

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      • Tommy

        Duncan, I think it’s been quite a bit more than 10 years that the addiction industry’s been saying that. I was forced into rehab in 1992 and they were making that assertion then.

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        • Duncan20903

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          I prefer understatement to exaggeration. 1992 is definitely more than 10 years ago. I’m not trying to be snarky, it just annoys me when some one exaggerates, perhaps saying “It’s been decades and decades since…” and I try to avoid doing that.

          Then again, are you sure that there wasn’t some lead time between the time the addictionologists (read: phrenologists) started saying that and the time the definition was officially changed by the Federal Bureau of Semantics (FBS)?

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      • kaptinemo

        Laughing my hairy old ass off. I lived in PG County, from 1984 to ’97, and learned real quick from the locals – who were mainly middle-aged and White – that it was not a good idea to call the PG County cops for anything, unless you happen to be suicidally depressed.

        That should give you some pause: middle-aged, law-abidin’, Gawd-fearin’ White people telling you to avoid the cops like the plague. You didn’t have to tell the Black folks that, given the horrid race-relations ‘history’ of the PGCPD. But it was my elderly, very ‘whitebread’ neighbor who warned me.

        That the entire legal system had been corrupted was a standing joke. Unless you happened to be on the short, sharp and shitty end of the legal stick. That a lot of LE got caught up in this sting doesn’t surprise me at all.

        I am so glad I don’t live there anymore…

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        • Duncan20903

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          That’s oh so true. There’s no reason why anyone should ever be convicted of corrupting a PG County cop because it’s impossible to corrupt that which is already so.

          Their poor reputation is one that the department suffers nationwide and that’s pretty telling. People think about Boss Hogg and rural Georgia being home to government corruption but are there any particularly well known County names?

          I think the only reason people move to PG is because it’s got the cheapest housing of all the jurisdictions that are in direct proximity to DC. When we were shopping for our home we looked at one in Bowie. That had to be the best house I’ve ever seen in my life as it actually had a center courtyard. Gosh, the mischief I could have gotten into if I had the outdoors inside of my home. But I couldn’t get past the systemic corruption of the entire PG County government and we paid up to be in Montgomery County. Seriously, the PG County line is so close I could stand on my back stoop and hock a lunger and have it land in PG with a good back wind. The homes on the other side of the line sell for 3/4 of what they do on our side of the line. Same neighborhood, same stamped out suburban homes and lots, same shopping, same community pool & rec center, same access to public transportation, 95 & 495, same distance to DC more or less (the PG side is actually closer), but PG County just sucks that badly. They shoot dogs and furniture delivery guys you know.

          Say, did you ever drive by Tick Tock Liquors back when they were open until 3 AM on Friday & Saturday nights? Now talk about a lively neighborhood full of such drunken revelry, and so multi-cultural. PG County started making all their liquor stores close at midnight almost exclusively because of that place.

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        • Windy

          Duncan, hubby and I lived in Frederick, MD from early winter 1968 to late summer 1970 (hubby worked for Bechtel Corp), that town rolled up the sidewalks at midnight, even on the weekends. And racial relations were very unsettled, to say the least.

          A few years later, hubby and couldn’t believe we were so close to Woodstock and never knew a thing about it. I really wish we’d been a bit more aware and had attended, oh well, can’t go back and change that, unfortunately.

          How do you stand the oppressive humid/heat in the summer? I often felt like I was trying breathe water instead of air. Spent most of my daytime sitting in front of the air conditioner in the summer, knitting or hooking rugs. I did love the warm nights, the wonderful fragrance of honeysuckle in the air, and the sound of crickets (reminded me of the frogs I hear here at home only somewhat quieter, and I was a little less homesick due to them), the cicadas were another matter altogether, they came out the summer of 1970. I also didn’t appreciate the Copperheads and Eastern Diamondbacks, particularly since I had small children (3, 4 and 6)) and a Black Lab who spent almost all of every day in spring, summer and fall outdoors (we lived 7 miles outside the city, in rural farm country), I gave the oldest a lecture about avoiding ALL snakes and watching out for his siblings, amazingly he listened.

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  • Chris

    The fact that making marijuana as legal as meth, morphine and cocaine currently are is this difficult is something that has always interested me. I don’t think that the general population understands this paradox exists. The NIDA drug facts chat a little while back had someone ask “is meth legal?” to which they replied “no, except when prescribed by a doctor”. Any kid reading that will wonder why medical marijuana isn’t held to the same standard, which just makes it completely apparent to anyone with a brain that the efforts against this change are entirely political.

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    • Chris

      I have to ask what the significance of this is. If I’ve learned anything about government response to drug policy reform in the past two and a half years of studying it, it’s that the federal government can ignore anything, such as governors or we the people petitioning them to do something. All they need is the same completely baseless regurgitated rhetoric. And then absolutely nothing happens. I can totally see them ignoring a few governors, but if every governor in a medical marijuana state did so, maybe someone would take notice.

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      • Duncan20903

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        Since we’ve never before seen even one sitting Governor challenging Federal policy vis a vis the war on (some) I have to conclude that you’re projecting your bias into a conclusion. They can only ignore us for so long before they crack.

        Are we there yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raNM0UvR_Bo

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        • Chris

          You’re overanalyzing my comments again I think. I just didn’t know that no sitting governor has done this kind of petition. Have plenty governors (besides Sarah Palin…) said that they’ve used it or that it should be decriminalized while in office or would I be wrong to assume that too?

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  • Rick Steeb

    If every governor in a medical marijuana state [and the states’ congress-critters too] DOESN’T sign on, then they are all spineless Quislings. IMHO…

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    • Windy

      My so called “representatives” in congress (they only represent their donors, not their constituents) totally support the drug war and oppose any form of legalization. All three of them are Democrats, so I’m willing to bet they won’t back Gregoire in this effort even tho she’s a Dem, too. I’ve been writing them for years, sending them excerpts from studies and commentary about legalizing, so I am fully aware of their position on this issue.

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  • Duncan20903

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    WTF happened to Google News??? I only get one page of stories, which they pick for me. There’s no search tools and the page is littered with videos. Good-bye Google News, I guess it’s time to move to Bing. What the heck made the idiots at Google think that I want to be spoon fed?

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  • claygooding

    I wonder if anyone has started a petition to dismiss Congress?

    No retirement,no health care,no severance pay and no return.

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    • Windy

      So far, Ron Paul is the only member of congress to refuse to participate in any of those lucrative perks. He manages his congressional office in a thrifty manner and returns all unused office funds to the treasury each year. He has promised that if he is elected he will take as salary only the median income of all of America.

      I have said for three decades or more that I think all members of the federal government should have their pay linked to the median pay of their constituency, whether that constituency is the whole country, the whole State or just their district). My thinking is that would discourage those who make a career of politics for the power or the money and encourage a faster turnover of congress. It would also make spending millions to get elected kind of ridiculous.

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      • Duncan20903

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        That would actually be considered a great deal by most people seeing as that he wouldn’t have any living expenses. He certainly won’t be clipping coupons or searching the ‘net for 10% off coupons.

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  • Duncan20903

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    Capitol Hemp Owners Turn Themselves In to Police

    http://dcist.com/2011/12/capitol_hemp_owners_turn_themselves.php

    Both gentlemen I’ve met when the District Council was re-writing I-59 to make it a totally useless law.
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    The ignorati of Lake County California have decided to try to get an unconstitutional ballot initiative passed. This would be at the County level until overturned by the California Court of Appeals.

    http://lakeconews.com/content/view/22581/919/

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  • Chris

    I’m reading over that new petition… even here they get the schedule of meth wrong:

    Sharing Schedule I with cannabis are heroin, lysergic acid, and methamphetamine. Schedule II is a category of drugs considered to have a strong potential for abuse or addiction, but that also have legitimate medical use. Included here are opium, morphine, cocaine, and oxycodone.

    Not even a reference on this area. Could they have really been writing this document (which has numerous references literring almost every paragraph) and just assumed meth was schedule I because it’s just so darned evil? That medicinal meth already exists and is prescribed to children should be preposterous right? I love pointing this fact out.

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    • Duncan20903

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      Chris, meth is in both schedules I & II so it is technically correct to state that it’s in schedule I. If it’s street meth it’s schedule 1 and if it’s medicinal meth (Desoxyn®) produced by an FDA approved pharmaceutical company it’s schedule 2. Dronabinol (delta-9 THC) is treated similarly, it’s in both schedules I and III. Again, it gets the less “dangerous” schedule if it’s manufactured by an FDA approved pharmaceutical company. Schedule III used to be reserved for synthetic dronabinol (Marinol®) but the organic version is supposed to be added so that a pharma can sell it.

      Did I hear someone say that the DEA doesn’t cater to the pharmas?

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      • Chris

        Right, but the document didn’t mention Desoxyn. It mentioned Dronabinol, and mentioning medicinal cocaine would have been redundant because it was already listed as schedule II.

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        • Duncan20903

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          What in the world are you talking about? I was commenting on your assertion, “even here they get the schedule of meth wrong” and my point was that they didn’t get it wrong because it is in schedule I. My response to your post was meant for that very limited purpose.

          Desoxyn® is a brand name, not a drug. I mentioned that because a lot of people don’t understand that a single drug can be in more than one schedule and include going all the way to the outer limits of extreme absurdity by claiming that one drug can have both recognized medicinal utility and no medicinal utility.

          Well that being said I wanted to link to the DEA’s scheduling page but when I looked at it it seems that I was wrong about it being in schedule I. I have no clue how I got that into my mind as I swear I can recall reading the explanation of why it was double scheduled. Well, it means that I got to enjoy the taste of my foot, but better here than in a place populated by prohibitionists.

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        • Chris

          You see my point now. Even those of us who study this or prepare huge petitions to the federal government assume meth must be in schedule 1, somehow. But it isn’t: http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/schedules/orangebook/c_cs_alpha.pdf

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  • Duncan20903

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    U.S. marijuana laws costly failure
    Friday, December 2, 2011

    In 1913, El Paso became one of the first cities to ban marijuana. Other communities soon followed suit, and by 1937 the drug was banned by the federal government. The drive to prohibit marijuana was not motivated by efforts to reduce dependence, improve health outcomes or alleviate criminal activity in the general population. Its prohibition has a much more dubious provenance in the fears and prejudices that accompanied growing Mexican migration at the beginning of the 20th century.

    That march towards marijuana prohibition has helped create a lucrative marijuana economy. Mexican drug cartels smuggle many things into the US, but marijuana is the most profitable portion of the cartel’s portfolio. Marijuana has the larger customer base with the most stable demand and steady prices. And, the Mexican cartels own the value of the marijuana from farm to market.

    Nearly 100 years after El Paso enacted its initial ban on marijuana, the city bears daily witness to the violence that the marijuana economy inflicts on Juarez, our neighbor on the U.S./Mexico border. Since 2008, more than 9,000 people have been murdered in Juarez. The violence stems at least in part from a declared war between the two largest cartels for control of the El Paso/Juarez trade corridor.

    In a ground-breaking 2010 Associated Press report, Martha Mendoza found that the U.S. has spent over $1 trillion on the drug war since it was first declared in the Nixon administration. And our return on that investment? In 2010, 35 percent of high school seniors reported that they had used marijuana, a number that has been fairly consistent since 1975. In fact, more high school sophomores tried marijuana last year than tobacco.

    At some point, sooner rather than later, we must admit that our current course has not worked. It has made things worse for those who are most vulnerable (children and addicts), has led to bloated enforcement budgets at every level of government, has invited contempt for law and justice, has destroyed thousands of lives, and has left us billions of dollars poorer as a result.

    At some point, we must challenge our elected leaders to enact laws that reflect reality and not an unattainable ideology.

    We must come to a reckoning, much the same way we did 80 years ago, and repeal a prohibition that does more harm than good. If Washington won’t do anything different, if Mexico City won’t do anything different, then it is up to us — the citizens of the border who understand the futility and tragedy of this current policy first hand — to lead the way.

    Beto O’Rourke and Susie Byrd co-wrote “Death and Drugs: The Big Business of Dope in the U.S. and Mexico.” O’Rourke is seeking the Democratic nomination to represent El Paso in the U.S. House. Byrd is serving her second term on the El Paso City Council.

    http://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/commentary/article/U-S-marijuana-laws-costly-failure-2341146.php#ixzz1fQdIpNva

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    • Duncan20903

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      Yes folks, today is indeed a red letter day. As you may have noticed I’ve retired Charlie Brown in favor of the Burger King. You may begin to envy me immediately.

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      • tensity1

        You must’ve read the article about the guy going through the drive-thru reeking of pot and asking for “blunts and weed.” I saw that pic on someone’s profile in comments. I swear I’ve seen it before a long time ago. Anyway, nice avatar.

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      • Duncan20903

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        Actually the picture showed up beside the list of links to that story on Google Gnus. The moment I saw it I new I had to have it no matter the cost or injury to humanity. I skipped reading the story after I found out that they arrested the guy for aggravated stupidity rather than for the words he said out loud. No 1st Amendment violation, no interest. I don’t waste time reading the details about morons that get themselves busted. Well, most of the time.

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  • darkcycle

    Is Obama really better than Bush? Civil Liberties/ domestic spying edition
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29865.htm

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    • Duncan20903

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      Mr. Obama is most certainly a much better, more talented spin doctor than Mr. Bush the lesser.

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      • darkcycle

        AHHHH Spin Doctor…
        Whoa…forgot about the spin doctors….they have LAWYERS. No version of “Dog on a Doe” available anywhere for free, period!

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  • Phowsnusnox

    Hey Guys,

    I’ve been lurking around here for some time now and I decided to register because I really need your help :(
    I heard alot abot Profit Assassin and I was wondering if any of you knows more about it (I cant find too much info on google about it).

    Thanks

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