Yes, that Pat Robertson. Check the video proof.
“We’re locking up people that take a couple of puffs of marijuana and the next thing you know they’ve got ten years – they’ve got mandatory sentences and these judges, they throw up their hand and say ‘What can we do, it’s mandatory sentences.’ We’ve got to take a look at what we’re considering crimes, and that’s one of them. I mean, I’m not exactly for the use of drugs, don’t get me wrong, but I just believe criminalizing marijuana, criminalizing the possession of just a few ounces of pot, and that kind of thing, I mean it’s costing us a fortune, and it’s ruining young people. The young people go into prisons, they go in as youths, and they come out as hardened criminals.”
I’ve actually been using the parental control on my cable to block the “700 club” so I don’t accidentally tune in to it (I do the same thing with a couple of those 24 hour “news” channels), but am I going to have to re-think this?
This is actually true conservative thinking. I thought that was dead.
Related: Radley Balko has a column at Reason discussing a new public policy website called Right on Crime, a project of the Texas Public Policy Foundation aimed at changing the way conservatives think about criminal justice.
“While the growth of incarceration took many dangerous offenders off the streets,” says an introduction to the website, “research suggested that it reached a point of diminishing returns, as recidivism rates increased and more than one million nonviolent offenders filled the nation’s prisons. In most states, prisons came to absorb more than 85 percent of the corrections budget, leaving limited resources for community supervision alternatives such as probation and parole, which cost less and could have better reduced recidivism among non-violent offenders.”
I’d really like to see this take hold. With Democratic politicians, for the most part, too afraid (and too beholden to special interests) to actually follow the wishes of their voters, it would be fantastic to have a strong conservative faction looking for policy that is fiscally responsible, results accountable, liberty based, and limits big government waste.
It could mean a powerful coalition of Democratic voters, principled conservatives, libertarians… and Teapot Partiers. Not bad.
Update:
– I completely agree with what Ilya Somin said:
Moreover, he cites several good reasons for this stance, including the high cost of prohibition, and the fact that imprisonment of small-time drug dealers and users is “ruining young people.†I suspect that Robertson has begun to realize that the War on Drugs is bad for family values. […]
…the opposition of social conservatives is one of the biggest political obstacles to curtailing drug prohibition. Hopefully, more conservatives will come to the same realization as Robertson and, before him, the far more intellectually respectable William F. Buckley.
— David Boaz misses the point at Cato@Liberty.
But I do have this question for Republican members of Congress: Do you really want to be to the right of Pat Robertson on the issue of marijuana prohibition?
The actual point is clearly that marijuana prohibition has never been a right or left issue. Sure, it’s sometimes gotten more of a boost from one side or the other, but in its core, it defies right-left labels. This is why we see ordinary politicians on both sides overwhelmingly favoring prohibition, and why we can see smart people throughout the political spectrum (Walter Cronkite, Barney Franks, Gary Johnson, Ron Paul, William F. Buckley, etc.) in favor of legalization.
(To be fair to David, he probably was using the “right of Pat Robertson” meme as a clever goad, rather than an analysis of the political position of marijuana policy.)
I never thought I would live long enough to hear the voice of sanity and reason come from that sawdust filled head.
Mr Robertson has finally discovered that you can be anti-drugs and anti-prohibition.
Lots of neurons must have been firing that day.
People still call me ‘pro-drugs’ even though I don’t drink or smoke (which they know) and think alcohol advertising should be banned in addition to being more heavily taxed and affixed with warning labels.
I assume that Jim Webb’s blue ribbon commission on this issue died in the 111th congress.
Is he looking for donations?
Is this to good to be true?
I don’t know.
Could use someone who knows how to read body language and facial expressions right about now.
Look fellas, I got a new graph on the prison pop boom in South America – do you think the good Christians will start complaining about it down south now too?
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Thud!
Allan,it is too bad we don’t have a webcam set on the wall so we could watch it crumble.
Did Hell freeze over?
Thud Allen and everyone Yeah I’m just wondering if this a dream and maybe old Pat fell and hit his noggin and had a thud and has had a temporary concussion can this be true mm we will wait and see, I never thought I would hear something like this from old Pat Robertson Surprise, Surprise. May be all that recent heavy rain storms all over country really cleared atmosphere and his brain Pardon my sarcasm this is to fricking incredible. Maybe others from Religious Right will follow in Pat’s footsteps with similar maybe?
any Jesse Ventura fans out there?
Pat Robertson the voice of reason? Is this Alice in Wonderland? Jesse Ventura is great Allan420. Too bad he touched on some sensitive issues and it doesn’t look like the show will continue. There are powerful forces out there that don’t want the ordinary American to know the truth behind some dark occurrences in this nations past. I’ll just leave it at that.
Been a while, but on and off since 97 I used to frequent a Yahoo group called achristianvsatheistclub. Posting these two themes especially have gotten the most positive feedback from the christians.
‘Relax Your Muscles as Much as Possible’
Wall street’s Spontaneous Abortionists
To a lesser degree, and some negative responses were on Ancient Temple Hashish Incense! Did Jesus Inhale?
Blatant Hypocrisy got the 911 responders their funding the same way. Exposure. Jon Stewert gulled them into it. How can you protest women choosing abortion when you employ airplanes to poison bible belt farm women causing the same abortions. Robertson is a lot of things, but making money has never been a problem with his diamond mines and support for Apartheid. I don’t think he has a problem making bucks off of private prisons.
But prison rape and beatings don’t set well when its to a sick person in for relieving pain or spasms with RxGanja. The other post that gets responses is
Starving Babies and Illegal Food. The basics of St Francis, food for the hungry, shelter for the homeless, clothing for the naked and health care for the sick and elderly can be provided by cannabis, and its just sacrilegious to ban it.
I had an eccentric wealthy patient once, who supported the 700 club. When it came on I couldn’t believe some of the slander and weirdness coming out of Robertson’s mouth. A telethon no less. Curing people via the cable companies. Seemed a lot of what he did for the needy, he also helped cause with corporate interest and shoddy practices. Outsourcing, pollution, war mongering and especially his anti choice anti condom stance. Including building a coalition of lawyers to fight RvW.
All while poisoning the cotton crop when Hemp was organic and a natural deterrent to lesson chemical use on other crops. The process of converting crude oil into plastic, veggie oil could make. Some of the responders seemed to “get it”. Fighting gays became a negative as more mainstream started accepting. DADT repeal gaining with military support put him on the opposite side of the money. Then out of the blue just as the hundredth monkey washed the potato, Obombo signed the papers receding dadt. I suppose thats a coincidence too!
Babysteps… but Truth will prevail in the long run as long as truth can be heard. Appeasing and ConPromises won’t do anything but perpetuate some part of the Ganjawar for profits, and then taking profits becomes the fight. Or stays the fight as it is. Ganja is or it ain’t. Bandaids like Prop 215 are shelter in the storm, but damn it the suns shining and they’re still make us where goulashes! Go Pat!
Oh and this one too… Seems most Vets care about returning soldiers. Maybe not McCain, but real soldiers without political careers and relatives holding the rank of admiral. How can a GOP war monger deny PTSD with a straight face, and a cheap homegrown remedy? Again we the ordinary people can probably accept a heap of BS, but sooner or later. When they become the butt of jokes and real consequences of their actions start to pile up in statistic books. Even Pat Robertsons know what side of the bread has the butter. Fingers start pointing at the prohibitionists and they get the shunning and stigmatizing stoners know all too well. More with each days spreading the word. Then the next 100th monkey will eat the potato. NoConpromises! By Jove, Its starting to look like we really CANnabis!
Many Veterans are the Enemy of the Bush D.E.A.th War Jun 08, 2006
Ganja 4 PTSD & Depression
Sam Stone came home, To his wife and family After serving in the conflict overseas. And the time that he served, Had shattered all his nerves, And left a little shrapnel in his knee. But the morphine eased the pain, And the grass grew round his brain, And gave him all the confidence he lacked, With a Purple Heart and a monkey on his back. There’s a hole in daddy’s arm where all the money goes…
Buy one get one free snow cones in hell, limited time only!!
Just tells you how much of an impact our movement is having. Absolutely groundbreaking. Please keep the momentum going by emailing this video to all of your neighborhood churches and social conservative politicians. If this man can see the light and take a stand, what’s holding the rest of the world up?
Are you kidding. The religious right seeing the light? Now I might have some hope that the truth, the message is getting through.
Pat was right in saying we have to look at these ‘crimes’ . We are living in a time when we are caging people for crimes that are NOT crimes. The only crime is the law itself.
We are ruining our youth…for what…something that cant be stopped? drug consumption? Its horse shit to think drugs can be eradicated. You would have to burn the earth to a sinder to ‘rid’ the world of drugs , and even then, things have a way of surviving.
I just read that the DEA has banned any chemicals that would produce a marijuana high. That means these ‘herble incenses’ that are bought at local liquor and tobacco stores. Just one more thing to ruin people over. Hello DEA , you just made these things more valuable to street dealers and it can be made and is being sold on streets to teens right now. You , the DEA, have done nothing but given yourslves a tool in which to ruin other peoples lives,especially teens… for they are the ones who use it and sell it. Good job, round of applause!!
Any lawyers out there reading this? How can the DEA make law? Isnt that the job of congress? Or is this one of those ‘earmarks’ that just slide by the American people these days in these rushed Bills that are 2000+ pages that no one gets the read?
A good meter that your freedoms are being returned to you is the abolishment of agencies such as the DEA and ONDCP. Has that happened yet? Nope , but they are making more laws…not in the peoples favor.
Every law is a gun to your head….think about it.
And what did happen to Jim Webbs Blue ribbon commision?
Did Pat get a pot rx and like it?
If he were running for office with that as a campagin pledge, I would seriously consider donating, despite all his loathsome declarations about gays, Haitians, the ANC, etc.
It’s pathetic that we’re hearing this from Pat Robertson while Obama won’t do anything more than snicker at our questions.
At the risk of sounding like some self-promoting huckster, I’ve been saying for over a decade that when the inevitable collapse of the US house-of-cards economy begins to take place, and it becomes painfully obvious that the DrugWar is no longer fiscally supportable, the rhetoric used by politicians to describe their underlying support of it would change – and thus signal the end of drug prohibition as we know it.
The Beast is mortally wounded, and even though it still has its’ teeth and claws and is still quite dangerous, it’s bleeding out, and soon to collapse from that lack of blood.
Green ‘blood’.
For years, I and others had predicted that “Tough on crime!” would morph into “Smart on crime!” as a means of gradually acclimating the public into slow acceptance (after years of red-hot, high-RPM propaganda) of the equally inevitable need to eventually ‘retire’ the DrugWar via some decrim and/or outright legalization schema…before the Treasury is completely emptied.
Here, again, is the Western version of an Oriental’s notion of ‘saving face’. Those in power don’t want a wild-eyed, screaming-mad public pounding their tables and demanding why so much money has been wasted (when we need it for the social safety net) when the pols privately knew all along that the DrugWar was never viable as a policy at all.
So…now it’s time to ease off the gas pedal and gently pump the brakes on the DrugWar Juggernaut that had been running without any governor at all on its’ breakneck velocity in ruining people’s lives…but only because the money to fuel this Juggernaut can no longer be justified politically
That, and only that, is the real reason. The prohibs are still violent, ignorant, unreasoning H. Neanderthals intent upon imposing their will with cave-man methodologies upon the rest of us Homo Sapiens. But those ‘clubs’ they use are getting too expensive to wield. They’ll be forced to put them down before too long. That, or face the specter of said H. Sapiens starving them out by sheer economic necessity.
“Thud!” indeed…and right on the prohib’s heads…with their own clubs, engraved with dollar signs.
Ya, where the hell are all the GOP obstructionists when it comes to opposing Obombo’s Ganjawar funding… and that $700 billion just slipped by for the war machine… Now the dude just beat every previous record for passing legislation, not to mention in a lame duck session. Hope is still flickering. Lost in a blizzard for a while and still barely lighting a path to our own destiny. If we choose to go down it or fight at the gate keeping the status quo quoing. Most likely the later but one can always hope. Toking illicitly doesn’t change the buzz. it probably enhances it. Throwing wheel barrow loads of cash on someone for $420 kushykushykoo isn’t really someone looking to let politicians fuckitup. I mean they’ve been listening to cops for 40 years, while jailing doctors and patients.
In combat situations aging hippies and their offspring, vets, bikers and renegade investors have already produced an infrastructure equipped to stock and staff 800 frickin buyers clubs in LA alone! With vending machines and store wrapped Ganja candy bars, beer, vodka and soda. Restaurants and better faster physician exams and referrals than the best insurance provides. Who needs politicians? Legislating by circumventing existing laws and rights with no need of tweaking. Abusing the Prison Industrial Complex profits and politicians investments by ending a strong opposition to legalizing mergeewona wouldn’t be prudent at this juncture… Pat Robertson says legalize. Martin Sheen says prison. It’s a mixed up muddled up shook up world.
$1,000,000,000,000.00 spent saveding us from burlap…
Legalize It! Audubon Mag. 09/07/00
Text by Ted Williams November-December 1999
Factoid A crop of hemp, one study shows, could bring a return of $319 per acre, compared with $135 for white corn.
Spraying Ditchweed Could Devastate Game Bird Populations 01/11/03
Nine out of 10 hunters probably couldnt care less whether marijuana lives or dies. However, marijuana is one of the Midwests most valuable cover plants for upland game, and some of the proposals for eradicating it could have terribly damaging effect on all other upland-game cover. And cover is the name of the hunting game. No cover means no game and no hunting.
Cannabis Eradications 99.28% Ditchweed 03/07/00
“The national total of ditchweed eradicated compared to the total number of plants seized is 99.28 percent resulting in less than one percent cultivated indoor and outdoor plant eradication percentage at the national level,” the report concludes. It further notes that each cultivated plant seized by the DEA costs taxpayers an average of $3.02. Nationally, the program spent over $9 million for marijuana eradication in all 50 states in 1996.
Someone fed Pat a brownie!
Not to get all religious,But …
Maybe Pat found out that his buddy Jesus used it to heal the masses.which i think is one of the reasons many do not want it made legal.How sad that so many would prevent a cure for disease so they could profit off the suffering of humanity.Not tooooo evil.
What was she saying at the beginning? Are they wanting mandatory faith-based treatment? Anyway, this is encouraging. Love the Right on Crime project.
Alzheimer’s is a terrible disease, a horrid way to die for your family and loved ones. Even as despicable as I find religionists in general and specifically the so called ‘born again’ pentecostals my heart isn’t hardened enough that I don’t feel a little empathy.
It’s too bad that Alzheimer’s didn’t present this way in Mr. Reagan.
I recall watching a video from one of the 9-11 conspiracy whackos. Gosh, it sure sounded convincing, and the played the video of the first plane to hit from almost every angle imaginable and it sure looked to me like it was possible. Later I saw a video that debunked that entire presentation by showing the one angle that the nutcakes didn’t present. There’s no question that the whackos left it out on purpose. You could plainly see that the direct proximate cause of that explosion was the plane impacting.
It’s amusing to entertain these theories but what is required to take on faith to make the leap of logic and believe is just so farfetched I’d say it more productive to spend your time trying to get bowling balls to fall up instedd of down. There’s just no way in hell that anyone is going to get me to believe a theory that’s predicated on the superior intelligence and extraordinary competence of George W Bush. It just ain’t gonna happen.
I don’t think Boaz missed any point — he was referring to the “right/left” spectrum as practiced in American politics, not as justified by any consistent philosophical outlooks.
I think David Boaz of all people understands that drug prohibition is one of the most aggressive social engineering programs ever enacted, and is not definitionally “conservative” at all. His record demonstrates a solid understanding of the basic dynamics involved.
I saw this clip played earlier today on MSNBC = Morning Joe, and I was as dumbfounded (without words) as was Joe, Mika, and the rest of the 3 or so folks on in that particular hour/block.
It was the first reasonably sounding thing that Pat Robertson has said in… I don’t even know how long = probably decades?
What I saw of the clip was reasonable, it was a simple clearly stated, and rational “down-to-earth” argument against Marijuana Prohibition.
I instantly wondered what some of my relatives – specifically my Grandmother, would have to say about the issue now – IF I were to bring it up, And IF she had seen this clip with Robertson talking about it. In all likelihood, I just “won’t go there” – at least not anytime soon.
Oh, and as someone above suggested – I think there’s a very distinct chance that Hell may have indeed, just frozen over entirely!
Mr. Robinson is just seeing cannabis for what it is- a healing herbal medicine with a 4,000 year record with zero overdose fatalities, and a safer intoxicant than alcohol. That we cage people for using the “wrong” leaf in their cigarettes is insane- especially when the “right” leaf (tobacco) will kill you!
Many Americans lack knowledge about this amazing healing herb. WebMD is a reputable medical information site. Please take the time to read these articles from WebMD and begin your education about cannabis-
“Marijuana’s Active Ingredient Targets Deadly Brain Cancer”
“Marijuana Ingredients Slow Invasion by Cervical and Lung Cancer Cells”
“Marijuana Unlikely to Cause Head, Neck, or Lung Cancer”
“Marijuana May Fight Lung Tumors”
“Marijuana Ingredient May Cut Fibromyalgia Pain”
“Marijuana Chemical Fights Hardened Arteries”
“Chemicals in Marijuana May Fight MRSA”
“Pot-Based Drug Promising for Arthritis”
“Cannabis May Help Multiple Sclerosis”
“Marijuana May Slow Alzheimer’s”
“Marijuana Smoking Doesn’t Kill”
“Teen Pot Smoking Won’t Lead to Other Drugs as Adults”
Those articles are only a hint of what cannabis does for the ill! Diabetes, several cancers (breast, prostate, cervical to name a few), Parkinson’s, PTSD, osteoporosis, epilepsy, Crohn’s, IBS and UC, migraines, nausea and even neuropathic pain are all treatable with cannabis!
But don’t believe me! I would like you run a single search and read “Granny Storm Crow’s MMJ Reference List” for the links to the WebMD articles and 100s of actual medical studies and news articles about the studies. Learn the medical facts about cannabis. Educate yourself!
Some progressives got high just so they could cope with Evangelical-inspired idiocy like DADT and DOMA. Now fundamentalist Christians can smoke up so they can cope with DADT repeal and marriage equality. Turnabout is fair play.
Hey Granny
Use your links all the time, thanks…
Granny Storm Crow’s MMJ List
I’m also working on a thread called Ganjawar in Everything. I’m finding it hard to find anything that wouldn’t be better by ending the Ganjawar. From prohibition eliminating safer medicine and recreations to the cost to the trauma of prison and just being criminalized. Censorship and gutter science and worse, shelving discoveries and the lies told about Hemp. I’ve taken these two articles and replied with alternatives we could use if Ganja and Hemp were removed from the CSA. Is there anything? I’m looking for topics if anyone has an idea, but I don’t think there are.
US water has large amounts of likely carcinogen: study
Scientists find gene clue to 130 brain diseases
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To all my Brothers and Sisters in The Cause,
Tomorrow is Christmas Eve and I wanted to take the time to wish each and every one of you the very best Merry Christmas, even if it’s not PC. It’s been fun joining some of you on other sites, mounting the attack and spreading the Truth. You know who you are. I look forward to more of the same.
And to Pete, Bro’, you’ve provided another wonderful year for Reform. We’re all hoping for a great follow-up year here, on Pete’s Couch. I see it’s not getting too ragged yet and there STILL are no “seed holes” burnt in it!
So, before you all go to sleep tomorrow night, lift your numbers and pipes toward Chicago for a “job well done.” You’ll sleep better, too, so Santa can get in and out unnoticed. LOL
I would take him one step further, though I appreciate that he’s thought about this at all. What if we just said all drugs were legal. I know, for one, that I wouldn’t rush out tomorrow and shoot up on heroin because it was legal, but the heroin addict might get help. What if all the crime that surrounded prohibition, not just the use of drugs, but the larceny et. al. around it? Maybe 50 percent of crime would be eliminated because you didn’t have to rob grandma to get your fix…
Good morning Ziggy! It’s always nice to see somebody waking up. Now if we can get enough people out of bed to reach critical mass…
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Nobody can seriously talk about less governement and support the war on drugs
Robertson Pleases Pot-Legalization Groups By Sandhya Somashekhar
CN Source: Washington Post December 24, 2010
Television evangelist Pat Robertson has made inflammatory remarks in recent years that offend gays, Muslims and others, but a recent comment he made on his Christian Broadcasting Network was more notable for whom it pleased: people who want to see marijuana legalized. “We’re locking up people that take a couple of puffs of marijuana, and the next thing you know they’ve got 10 years,” the controversial pastor said on “The 700 Club” on Dec. 16, in a clip unearthed by bloggers this week. “I’m not exactly for the use of drugs – don’t get me wrong – but I just believe that criminalizing marijuana, criminalizing the possession of a few ounces of pot and that kind of thing, I mean, it’s just, it’s costing us a fortune and it’s ruining young people.”
Pat Robertson is one of those people who think that every thought is worth sharing and he makes all his statements to give rise to controversy. But this one is really poor since a few ounces of pot is enough to lead to an addiction which often causes more harm than Robertson can imagine.
On what planet in which alternate universe do you live in Lorne? You certainly didn’t get that hare brained idea from any factual evidence in this reality. Tell Bizarro Superman that I said happy new year.
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Seriously, where do these people get these goofy, totally unsupported by factual evidence ideas? Does Lorne Marr really believe that if cannabis didn’t exist that we’d only have degenerate addicts that favor drinking alcohol? After all, it’s only the poor alcoholics that don’t get to have a “gateway” drug on which to blame their degenerate addiction. Though I’m sure if we gave these non-thinkers a little time they’d be able to twist the truth enough to blame the alcoholic expression of degenerate addiction on cannabis as well.
Lorne, don’t get your hopes up. We’re not going away. We’re not going to quit enjoying cannabis. We’re not going to be rolling over and taking the blame for the unintended consequences of your ill advised, demonstrable epic failure of public policy which we like to call the war on (some) drugs. The stupidity in your post is the direct, proximate cause of over 30,000 people dead in Northern Mexico. If you people don’t come to your senses directly we’re going to be starting to count US nationals in the tally.
Is this #1? http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6BF0P620101216
How many people will the Know Nothing prohibitionists require be needlessly murdered before they start thinking that their idiotic philosophy just might be a tad on the flawed side? It’s obviously more than 30,000 as they still haven’t gotten a clue. 50,000? 1 million? How many more dead people will it take before you come to your senses Lorne? Perhaps 30,000 isn’t that many because they’re furriners?
But let me offer an heartfelt apology from me, and I believe I can safely speak for everyone here, a heartfelt apology for skipping a groove and even entertaining the unnatural, far fetched idea that a pentecostalist would ever come to his senses. You’re right, that’s nothing but fantasy land wishful thinking. You may now return to your regularly scheduled fantasy world, already in progress.
Oh, one other thing Lorne, the Feds say that less than 60% of people get high on pot as the “substance of initiation.” How does more than 4 out of 10 get discounted to all of them in your handouts?
The one flaw is that for some reason alcohol isn’t even on the list. Why is it that you people give drinking alcohol a free pass when it comes to the idiotic gateway theory? It sure isn’t because it doesn’t get you high. It can’t be because it’s not an illegal drug, because it most certainly is for the underaged. People that start getting high after age 21ish are rare as hen’s teeth. I can only name one guy from direct personal knowledge, that being Jack Herer who waited until he was 30. So what is it that gives booze a free pass in the hysterical rhetoric from the dimwitted supporters the war on (some) drugs?
Someday I want to see a list of “drugs of initiation” without the free pass for booze. I’ll bet dollars to dirt that’s when you’d see a number approaching 100%. It wouldn’t make the “gateway theory” any less of a stupidity but at least you people would be presenting honest numbers. Don’t worry, I won’t hold my breath waiting.
Oops, forgot the link to the SAMHSA report that shows less than 60% of people initiate drug use with cannabis if you don’t include drinking alcohol among the choices.
It’s on page 53 of the document as published, or page 59 of the .pdf. Enjoy!
http://oas.samhsa.gov/NSDUH/2k9NSDUH/2k9ResultsP.pdf
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