Charlie Lynch, Montel Williams and Stephen Baldwin on Larry King

Here’s the transcript of last night’s show (scroll down near the bottom).
A picture named baldwin.jpgHere are a couple of excerpts from Baldwin…

SMILEY: What about that distinction between legalizing and decriminalizing? What about the latter?
BALDWIN: I disagree with the latter as well. You’re talking to a guy 20 years sober, Tavis, off of drugs and alcohol. I know the affects of marijuana firsthand. I can tell you right now, if this starts to become something that is more readily available to our youth, the ramifications and repercussions of that in the next 30 years will be beyond our comprehension.
SMILEY: Do you buy the argument that marijuana leads to harder stuff?
BALDWIN: That’s a fact. […]
BALDWIN: Last time I was on the show with Ron Paul, you wouldn’t believe the e-mails I got, people are going to kill me, shoot me, all kinds of stuff. America wants it’s marijuana, man, I get it. But I am just worried — I am more concerned for the future and the youth of America. And this drug, which is a very dangerous drug — it’s not a casual thing. It’s very dangerous — is negatively effecting our youth.

In addition to being completely wrong, Baldwin has an extremely inflated opinion of his own importance. I don’t know of any marijuana legalization advocates who would care enough about Stephen Baldwin to lift a finger.
Fact is, we’re quite delighted to have him as the face of prohibition, and would be happy for him to keep showing up on talk shows. He makes our job easier.

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Open Thread

“bullet” Holbrooke is already making waves in Afghanistan

Holbrooke, who was appointed by President Obama as special envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan, stated that efforts to eliminate opium poppy crops had failed to hinder the Taliban insurgents‰ ability to raise money from the drug trade. ‹It is the most wasteful and ineffective program I have seen in 40 years,Š he said. Holbrooke believes much of the money should instead be used to help Afghanistan‰s expanding agricultural sector, which would in turn create many jobs.

“bullet” New York State Lawmakers Reach Historic Agreement to Reform Rockefeller Drug Laws. This is good news, but also note NYCLU Applauds Pledge to Reform Rock Drug Laws, but Cautions to Wait for Details

The New York Civil Liberties Union applauded the pledge made today by the governor, senate and assembly to reform the draconian Rockefeller Drug Laws, but cautioned that the essential details of the agreement have yet to be revealed. What has been outlined so far reflects a significant shift in policy and an important agreement in principle, but significant details have yet to be worked out. […]
The agreement appears to embrace š for the first time and in a meaningful way š two important principles of reform: It includes a reduction of mandatory minimum sentences, and it includes a restoration of judges‰ authority to send many drug offenders to treatment programs instead of jail.

“bullet” Sen. Webb: Prisons a ‘national disgrace,’ must be reformed

Even as President Barack Obama slapped down the hopes of American marijuana consumers as to his position on legalization, Senator Jim Webb (D-Va) was quietly preparing to introduce major legislation which has the potential to dramatically alter US drug laws.
Calling the US criminal justice system “a national disgrace,” two US senators called for a top-to-bottom review with an eye on reforms aimed at reducing America’s vast prison population.
Senator Webb, backed by Republican Senator Arlen Specter, introduced legislation to create a blue-ribbon panel that would conduct an 18-month assessment and offer concrete recommendations for reform.

“bullet” Bernd Debusmann at Reuters: Drug wars and the balloon effect

Why have billions of dollars and thousands of anti-narcotics agents around the world failed to throttle the global traffic in cocaine, heroin and marijuana? Blame wrong-headed policies, largely driven by the United States, and what experts call the balloon effect.

“bullet” John Aloysius Farrell in US News and World: Marijuana: Tax It, Regulate It, But Legalize It
“bullet” I don’t know what the Director of the Center for International Conflict Resolution at Columbia Univeristy in the City of New York does for a living, but apparently it doesn’t involve much actual thinking. Aldo Civico really looks pretty silly with Legalization of drugs? An imperfect solution.
His thesis? Legalization would not get rid of all crime, so it’s not worth pursuing. Of course, he then fails to come up with a single idea that would be better.
“bullet” Marijuana legalization too hot for CNN

The final “D.L. Hughley Breaks the News” was taped at CNN’s New York studios this afternoon. And it appears CNN higher-ups forced an edit on producers. A TVNewser tipster tells us, “a large section of a segment about marijuana legalization” was edited out of the final broadcast.

“bullet” OpEd in Alabama: War on Drugs as Effective as Prohibition

There are lessons to be learned from the failure of Prohibition — across the country in general, and in Mobile in particular.

“bullet” DrugSense Weekly
“bullet” “drcnet”

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Reactions to Obama’s marijuana blunder

From liberal blogs:
“bullet” Dave Neiwert at Crooks and Liars

the “war on drugs” is a kitchen-table issue that affects millions of Americans in their homes, especially as we watch the tremendous waste of national resources spent criminalizing people who need medical treatment, and we witness the costs to our national and personal security in the form of the raging drug war on the Mexican border. […]
At what point will we finally wake up and recognize the high cost of an ineffectual drug policy maintained purely out of political cowardice?
It’s understandable that Obama wants to keep his eye on the ball and not let his agenda get derailed by a national argument about drugs. But dealing intelligently and effectively with drugs in the end is part of that economic and national-security picture too — perhaps not as big a driver as health care or energy, but it plays a role. The president would be wise to heed his own words about listening to what people outside the Beltway are actually saying to him.

“bullet” DDay at Hullabaloo

…while I didn’t see it, the President apparently snickered, along with his snickering staff, made a crack like “This is a very popular question to you online folks,” (did he mime taking a hit off a doobie at this point?) and then categorically said no, that it wouldn’t grow the economy, and moved on. Thus insulting the audience about their very popular question and giving it little respect.
There are two issues here. First, legalization actually does deserve a serious response. You don’t have to agree with it – I’m not certain that I do – but you ought to engage with it. The war on drugs has utterly failed, so it’s not like the status quo is any less silly. But the second issue is even more damaging. Obama’s Administration wants to bypass the media filter and open the tools of communication to a much larger community. And then a non-Village approved question gets asked and he snickers about it? For a real community interaction to work there has to be a certain level of respect, and that was apparently sorely lacking. […]
In Washington, every day is Punch a Hippie Day.

“bullet” TalkLeft

No surprise here, except for those who perhaps expected something different

“bullet” From live comments at Daily Kos

But did he have to be so…. Amused with it? I’m sorry, I understand that it’s marijuana, ha ha funny funny…but it was a serious question asked by a lot of people and I really think it deserved just as serious of an answer as the rest of them did.
I don’t have a real opinion either way (lean towards legalization, but no real dog in the fight…) but it was a JARRING difference from how he approached all the other questions. […]
Well, they chose a question that could be used to dismiss all the others; the actual question presented was about economics.
I found the use of this particular question, and using it as a mechanism – an excuse to laugh off serious questions about the myriad of issues about pot – to be very disingenuous. […]
I have to agree, I thought Obama was a little above that. But he’s in a position where he chooses not to be brave on this issue. Perhaps at the next townhall, after he sees some of our feedback, he will address it differently.

“bullet” Jim Gilliam, Huffington Post

Pot saved my life. […]
The President will be asked this question again, and maybe next time he won’t laugh at us.

“bullet” Sam Stein, Huffington Post

Jack Cole, executive director of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP), said in response:
“Despite the president’s flippant comments today, the grievous harms of marijuana prohibition are no laughing matter. Certainly, the 800,000 people arrested last year on marijuana charges find nothing funny about it, nor do the millions of Americans struggling in this sluggish economy….”

“bullet” Dan Sweeney, Huffington Post

Barack Obama can certainly be against legalization, but he owes it to nonviolent drug offenders caught in the horror show that is the U.S. prison system, the families of innocent victims of the Mexican drug wars and economically bloodied U.S. taxpayers to explain why. Ganja may cause the giggles, but legalization shouldn’t be a laughing matter. And it certainly shouldn’t be treated as cavalierly as it has by the current administration, especially when it has been proven to be a popular issue every time Obama has tried to go straight to the people.

“bullet” Via Hullabaloo, excerpts from live-blogging at TechPresident:

[Comment From Karen] Not sure making fun of the “online audience” for asking is the best way to have handled that.
[Comment From Josh] Probably not, he turned the question into a joke […]
Matthew Burton: Josh is right. There will be blowback from this.
[Comment From Karen] Now how many million people feel that they weren’t taken seriously? Frustrating. […]
Matthew Burton: He made it even more likely that the most popular questions in future town halls will be about marijuana
[Comment From Josh] The fact that he made light of one of the most popular questions being asked does not say a whole lot for mr. obama
Joan McCarter: It was a simplistic response on the pot question, particularly in light of the border violence that Napolitano talked about yesterday. There’s a connection he could have drawn to give a serious answer.

… and a conservative:
“bullet” Andrew Sullivan

Obama’s Pathetic Pot Answer. The chuckle suggests a man of his generation. The dismissiveness toward the question of ending Prohibition as both a good in itself and a form of tax revenue is, however, depressing. His answer was a non-answer. I’m tired of having the Prohibition issue treated as if it’s trivial or a joke. It is neither. It is about freedom and it’s deadly serious. As for your online audience, Mr president, have you forgotten who got you elected?

… and a media response:
“bullet” Chris Selley in the National Post

In other words: get a job, ya bunch of hippies. He couldn‰t really have sounded any more condescending unless he‰d thanked contributors, complete with air quotes, for their ‹groovyŠ questions. I‰m sure the audience would have lapped it up.
Now, admittedly, the President might well be right about what legalization would do for the economy. Imagine all the out-of-work drug enforcement workers, prison guards and support staff, the mass suicides from correctional industry lobbyists, and the tens of thousands of newly released inmates thrust into an already terrible job market. But that‰s hardly the point he was trying to make. Rather, he was aiming for laughs.

I’m sure there are plenty of others out there I missed.
So when will we be getting that apology?

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Obama ridicules marijuana question

At today’s Town Hall, Obama acknowledged that a whole lot of folks voted marijuana questions to the top (once again).

The query, which received more than three million votes, was: “With over 1 out of 30 Americans controlled by the penal system, why not legalize, control, and tax marijuana to change the failed war on drugs into a money making, money saving boost to the economy? Do we really need that many victimless criminals?”
Obama actually interrupted the M.C of the event — Jared Bernstein, chief economist to the Vice President — in order to tackle the topic. He kept his answer brief.
“There was one question that voted on that ranked fairly high and that was whether legalizing marijuana would improve the economy and job creation,” he said. “And I don’t know what this says about the online audience, but … this was a popular question. We want to make sure it’s answered. The answer is no, I don’t think that’s a good strategy to grow our economy. All right.”
Responded Bernstein: “Thank you for clearing that up.”

This approach is, of course, the traditional political approach — don’t want to actually dignify the legalization question or you’ll be considered fringe.
But times are changing. Perhaps we can make that no longer true. Wouldn’t it be great if we could make enough people care about this subject that when a President denigrated a popular viewpoint in this way, the uproar would require him to apologize the next day?
We need to continue increasing our power from the ground up.

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More progress for medical marijuana bills

Illinois: Approved yesterday by the Senate Public Health Committee. It’ll be debated next week in the full Senate.
Minnesota Approved by the House Public Safety Policy and Oversight Committee on Tuesday, which sends it to the Finance Committee.
New Hampshire Passed by the New Hampshire House (234-138). It goes to the Senate next.

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Suspected drunk driver rams home, exposes pot farm

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Authorities said a 63-year-old man suspected of drunken driving crashed his pickup truck into a neighbor’s house, leaving a gaping hole and revealing a small marijuana farm inside.
San Diego police got a search warrant after the Sunday afternoon crash and confiscated more than 20 pot plants from the house.

Sad in so many ways.
The story gives no details, but I’d like to know who got in more trouble with the authorities:

  1. The drunk driver who ruined someone’s house.
  2. The peaceful homeowner who didn’t hurt anyone, but had his house ruined.

And one nit to pick. Pot farm? Really? 20 tomato plants isn’t a tomato farm. It’s a garden. 20 trees isn’t a tree farm.

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Medical Marijuana dispensary raid in San Francisco by DEA

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Emmalyn’s California Cannabis Clinic at 1597 Howard Street in San Francisco.
SSDP’s Micah Daigle was on the scene and reported that all the local press were there. (Protesters were there as well.) Micah also reported that the DEA agents went in with a sledgehammer and crobar, so they certainly weren’t there to talk.
Later, DEA agents carried out tubs of marijuana and loaded it into a van.
Note: Keep in mind that, if the dispensary was violating state law, or violating other federal laws, then this would not theoretically be any kind of repudiation of Holder’s clear position to let state laws in medical marijuana occur without DEA interference.
Thanks to Tom Angell in comments:
Quote from the DEA

“The documents relating to today’s enforcement operation remain under court seal. Based on our investigation we believe there are not only violations of federal law, but state law as well. As of now we are prohibited from releasing further details of the case. Items of evidentiary value were seized and no arrests have been made. The investigation is currently ongoing,” said DEA Special Agent in Charge Anthony D. Williams in a written statement.

There’s also some video at that link.
Regardless of whether the dispensary was violating state law, this is extremely stupid.
Having federal agents (all marked “DEA” and “Federal Agent”) bust a dispensary is politically tone-deaf. A smart person in the Justice Department right now would say, regardless of the potential laws being broken, “if it’s a dispensary, send only the state cops. We don’t want people seeing the DEA logo at a dispensary.”
However, we didn’t even see any state or local cops.
I mean, really. Are the state cops that incompetent, that they can’t bust a dispensary by themselves if state laws are being broken?
Someone needs to be asking the state police why they are perceived as so incompetent by the feds that they’re unable to enforce their own laws.

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Too dumb to get out of the rain

New York Times

‹Our insatiable demand for illegal drugs fuels the drug trade,Š [Hillary Clinton] said, using unusually blunt language. ‹Our inability to prevent weapons from being illegally smuggled across the border to arm these criminals causes the deaths of police officers, soldiers and civilians.Š […]
She came bearing a new White House initiative, announced Tuesday, to deploy 450 law enforcement officers, and new equipment, along the border.
For instance, Mrs. Clinton said, the United States will help supply Mexican law enforcement officers with helicopters and night-vision goggles and other equipment to take on the cartels, which are armed to the teeth.
‹We‰ve got to figure out how to stop these bad guys,Š she said. ‹These criminals are outgunning the law enforcement officials.Š

BBC

“These aircraft will help Mexican police respond aggressively and successfully to the threats coming from the cartels,” she said. […]
[Homeland Security Secretary Janet] Napolitano told the BBC on Wednesday that there had been a significant escalation of violence in Mexico, in part because of US efforts to clamp down on trafficking routes.
But, she said: “The most important thing is that the federal government of Mexico is now battling these cartels, and they weren’t in the past. And as a result the violence between the cartels and the government of Mexico has really increased.”

NY Times:

[Clinton] mentioned the litany of failed efforts, going back to First Lady Nancy Reagan‰s ‹Just Say NoŠ campaign. She talked about a shortage of drug treatment centers. And she said a lack of health insurance prevented many drug addicts from getting proper treatment.
‹Clearly what we have been doing has not worked,Š she said. ‹It is unfair for our incapacity to have effective polices that will either better interdict drug traffic or lower demand for the illegal drugs, or intercept the weapons, to be creating a situation where people are holding Mexican government and people responsible.Š

Sigh…
No. I don’t expect our government to have the political will at this time to step up and say that it’s prohibition that causes all this grief.
Conservatives blame the druggies. Liberals blame themselves for their failure to come up with the right programs to stop the druggies.
But the druggies don’t exist. Oh, sure, there are people who use and people who abuse drugs, and individually you can interact with them.
But the concept of “the druggies” that is in the mind of the politician is a fantasy. It’s the notion of a limited and specific set of players that can be targeted, appealed to, cured, and/or apprehended. Total nonsense.
Drug use is. You can’t appeal to it, arrest it, or treat it. You may as well try to stop the rain.
So while these politicians think that they’re dealing with “the druggies,” they’re actually battling the laws of economics, which are no more amenable to their pleas, threats, or interventions than the law of gravity is to a request to keep the rain from falling.
So yes, we’re sending helicopters to battle… what?

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Tarika Wilson’s life bought 8 hours of training

Well, that’s something, at least…

LIMA, Ohio – In the aftermath of the fatal shooting of a Lima woman by a police sergeant, community members agreed the police department needed to get back to talking to residents and getting to know the neighborhoods it patrols.
To that end, all 80 sworn officers and 25 civilian employees at the Lima Police Department are undergoing eight hours of training this week in community-oriented policing.

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Open Thread

I’ve got a huge presentation to prepare by Wednesday morning, so I have no time to blog, but here are a couple of things to discuss…
“bullet” Charlie Lynch’s sentencing has been postponed

U.S. District Court Judge George H. Wu asked prosecutors for a written response from the Justice Department about its position on medical marijuana prosecutions in light of recent comments from Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr.

“bullet” Marijuana legalization bills have been introduced in Massachusetts. That’ll be interesting.
“bullet” Fascinating article about the history of cocaine at infozine in a review of Paul Gootenberg’s new book: Andean Cocaine: The Making of a Global Drug
“bullet” Since I don’t have time today to debunk these, take a stab at it yourself:

  1. Byran Myrick in the Seattle Conservative Examiner: Former Seattle Police Chief Stamper proposes radical legalization of ‘all’ drugs

    Even if the government could resist the temptation to perpetuate a drug market to put funds in the public coffer, it would still be in the business of violating a code that doctors live under and which should be adopted as the Twenty-eighth Amendment to the U.S Constitution: ‹Do no harm.Š

    According to the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy‰s 2004 report on the economic costs of drug abuse in the United States, (the full report can be accessed here) the costs in terms of health care and lost productivity resulting from drug abuse was more than $180 billion in 2002. It would be foolish to expect those costs to disappear due to legalization. It might be wiser to assume their increase.

    The reasons for and against legalization often seem more like constructs that are used to defend purely moral arguments in which the rules of evidence and debate do not suffice. In this way, Stamper‰s proposal seems to suggest an amoral approach toward drugs at best, or an embrace of their effects at worst. As a society we have, by and large, recognized that drugs an intrinsically destructive force. For now, I am confident that moral clarity will be enough to halt efforts like Stamper‰s in their tracks.

  2. Barrett Duke in the Baptist Press: Legalizing marijuana incrementally (Note: this article is also available at opposing views where it’s possible to comment.)

    The last shoe to drop will be the legalization of marijuana distribution for recreational purposes. As marijuana use becomes part of the culture, we can expect to see a movement toward decriminalization of all marijuana use and distribution. If marijuana is decriminalized, we will see the rise of every kind of drug related problem, from performance impairment to family disruption to addiction to crime to premature death. This is not the kind of change America needs. What we need is the enforcement of laws that protect the vulnerable and that help all Americans achieve their greatest potential. What we don’t need are more threats to that goal.

    Medicinal marijuana is a threat to our nation’s wellbeing and health, not a prescription for a better life. The Obama administration has just made life more difficult for many of our fellow citizens and threatened the future of many millions more.

Have at it.
Oh, and a note: Absolutely no name calling against other commenters in the comments. And that means, if necessary, turn the other cheek. Come on, guys, you know better. I really have better things to do than play den mother. Thanks.

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