The crazies

After dealing with the truly ugly behavior of Patrick Kennedy and Kevin Sabet on a daily basis, it’s almost refreshing to return to one of the old-style crazies.

That’s right, our old friend Cliff Kindaid of AIM, after seemingly avoiding talking about the drug war for too long, has surfaced: Obama Encourages Drug Money Laundering. Yep, it’s an article on the administration’s guidance to banks that might allow legal marijuana stores in Colorado and Washington to actually use banks.

For extra bonus, Cliff brings in Calvina Fay!

Calvina L. Fay, executive director of the Drug Free America Foundation, told AIM, “This is yet one more example of the lawlessness of the Obama administration. We all know that banks are federally regulated and that pot is still illegal at the federal level. This action will clearly put banks in jeopardy of violating regulations and will enable criminal activity to thrive.”

She added, “This action tells parents and grandparents that the government can no longer be counted on to do what it is intended to do: protect U.S. citizens from criminals who engage in drug trafficking, human trafficking, weapons trafficking, and other serious illegal activities that are inter-connected to the drug underworld. Rather, our government is now embracing this activity and enabling it.”

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92 Responses to The crazies

  1. primus says:

    Link to Stupid Patrick and Kevin Sabet-Sharghi’s stupidities led me to this Patches quote, which I found quite interesting:“I don’t think anybody in the world of public health has any doubt as to what side they should be on,” he said. “But understand, everyone is timid because they’re worried about the politics.” I see two ways this could interpreted: Everyone in public health would be on the side of maintaining the status quo, but fear the politics. IOW they sense the shift and don’t want to be offside. OR Everyone in public health would be on the side of re-legalisation but they fear being too far in front. In either case, he is admitting that people in public health perceive the shift and have modified behaviour as a result. One must ask why have the politicians not figured it out? If not for Stupid Patrick and Shifty Sabet-Sharghi and their ilk, they would have. BTW using Kev’s entire last name, not just the abbreviated one he affects could be a very useful thing. It makes him sound even more alien than he already does just by being a Baha’i.

    • Jean Valjean says:

      The reason Sabet is an alien has nothing to do with his Iranian heritage. It is his complete detachment from the demographic reality of his own generation and how they think. He probably sees himself as Eliot Ness but in reality he’s a young flunky mopping floors in the old folks home. He probably does ok on the tips though.

  2. kaptinemo says:

    See? What did I tell you? Huh? What did I tell you?

    The more they’re backed into a corner, the more (as my Canadian friends put it) barking mad they’ll get. In public. Totally unselfconscious of the fact they’re letting their Inner Jack-Booted Thug show. Not to mention their personal neuroses.

    We’ve got them on the run, now. Don’t let up, never let up. You can almost smell the blood because of what they’re doing. The Crazy Uncles and Aunts are now loosed from the attics where they were hidden for so long. It’s like emptying the madhouses, arming the patients and sending them to the battlefront; a symptom of desperation if ever there was one.

    • Howard says:

      There was an interesting study conducted years ago on what happens when someone holds a “belief” and is shown — beyond a shadow of a doubt — that their belief is incorrect — logically, scientifically, irrefutably incorrect. How do you think the subjects of the study reacted when presented with proof that they were flat out wrong? Did they say, “Wow, I had no idea my position was so far off base and without merit”? No, they doubled down on stupid. Much to the surprise of those conducting the study, the study’s subjects became even more rigid, unyielding and extreme with regard to their flawed positions.

      Although I have no way of knowing, it wouldn’t surprise me at all that coincidentally every one of the study’s subjects were prohibitionists.

      • Windy says:

        I am rereading Heinlein’s The Moon is a Harsh Mistress (good book, dated of course, written in the early 60s and published in ’66, well before computers were miniaturized).
        I just finished Chapter 14, in which is this passage:

        Thing that got me was not her list of things she hated, since she was obviously crazy as a Cyborg, but fact that always somebody agreed with her prohibitions. Must be a yearning deep in human heart to stop other people from doing as they please. Rule, laws– always for other fellow. A murky part of us, something we had before we came down out of trees, and failed to shuck when we stood up. Because not one of those people said: “Please pass this so that I won’t be able to do something I know I should stop.” Nyet, tovarishchee, was always something they hated to see neighbors doing. Stop them “for their own good”–not because speaker claimed to be harmed by it.

        RAH nailed it!

        • allan says:

          Heinlein is outstanding… eye opening for me way back in the day. As of course was the whole genre of speculative fiction. Many other fans here on the couch.

        • curmudgeon says:

          Now if we could only take the high ground and throw rocks at the drug worriers. (If you don’t get the reference, reading “The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress” will clarify.)

    • Howard says:

      And to my comment I’ll add this. One of the political parties in the state where I live has this as a part of their political platform;

      “Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.”

      That’s right, no critical thinking skills that might challenge a student’s “fixed” beliefs. Are all of the prohibitionist from Texas and I just now found that out?

      • Randy says:

        @ Howard – 2nd post

        It is amazing how religious fundamentalists embarrass themselves in this way. But it is all too understandable if you believe the things they do.

        Critical thinking skills interfere with maintaining and propagating their religious beliefs, as critical thinking can lead a person to doubt their religious beliefs and even cause one to abandon them. And for the fundamentalist believer, loss of belief will doom humans in both this life and the afterlife.

        In short, if critical thinking skills can lead one to Hell then it must be opposed for humanity’s sake.

        I wish I was making this up, but that’s how they see the world. So sad for them and for the rest of us.

        Full disclosure – I was formerly a Southern Baptist and am now an atheist.

        • Howard says:

          Randy, you fiend, you’re speaking truth to the delicate flowers;


          “Critical thinking skills interfere with maintaining and propagating their religious beliefs, as critical thinking can lead a person to doubt their religious beliefs and even cause one to abandon them. And for the fundamentalist believer, loss of belief will doom humans in both this life and the afterlife.”


          Bang! You hit the bullseye, nice killshot.

          Some disclosure — I opted out of the Southern Baptist church before the age of 10. I wasn’t belligerent or a problem. I was actually a nice kid (I just stopped). My mother saw the (lack of) conviction in my face and let it go.

          There’s a serious flaw within those who believe in the religion of the drug war. Their conviction is equally hollow and incredibly destructive. Although they can’t stop, they will be stopped.

        • Windy says:

          Critical thinking skills interfere with maintaining and propagating their religious beliefs, as critical thinking can lead a person to doubt their religious beliefs and even cause one to abandon them.

          Exactly, that is how I became agnostic verging on atheist. And also how I moved from Libertarian to libertarian to voluntaryist verging on anarchist.

    • Jean Valjean says:

      Mon Kapitan:
      We had that Zombies ad from SAM the other day…did we miss that it was a self-portrait of the loonies breaking out of the asylum? I think the one in the nurses outfit was Nora…

      • kaptinemo says:

        Given how much psychological ‘projection’ they engage in , I consider what they have to say as being comprised mainly of Freudian slips.

      • Uncle Albert's Nephew says:

        The zombie ad wasn’t SAM. That was Mel Sembler’s DFAF.

    • allan says:

      you told me, roll another one, just like the other one…

      beware the Cannapocalypse! The sky is falling! Schizophrenic, gynecomastic, stoner zombies!

  3. primus says:

    Is it my imagination or is Calvina sounding even crazier than she did formerly? I’m willing to bet serious cash that a majority of USans are happy they don’t live in Colorado or Washington, however they are very sick of the same old, and very interested to see how this all plays out in those two states. IOW there aren’t many who are against this ‘experiment in democracy’. They are willing to let it go for a while, and therefore aren’t listening to her, so she has amped up the BS factor and the empty rhetoric. She sounds more shrill, more like an old harridan, a harpy, a fishwife. It’s wonderful.

  4. claygooding says:

    “This action tells parents and grandparents that the government can no longer be counted on to do what it is intended to do: protect U.S. citizens from criminals who engage in drug trafficking, human trafficking, weapons trafficking, and other serious illegal activities that are inter-connected to the drug underworld.

    I can’t believe Calvina is going after the ATF,CIA,DEA,FBI and the banks too,,,what a gal!!!

  5. goblet says:

    I wonder what Calvina had to say about HSBC.

    • War Vet says:

      Calvina Fay: HSBC who . . . what does the Home Shopping and Baking Channel have to do with it? I wonder what she thinks about the old Wachovia Bank and Mexico? Yet illegal drug money is the only reason why America went to war in the Middle East and stays there. Kind of hard to defeat extreme wealth in the hands of insurgents and terrorists who gain new and more funds each year.

  6. Servetus says:

    Belief in the efficacy of drug enforcement can’t be the only absurdity Calvina and Cliff cling to. Perhaps they also assume the earth is hollow, that space-aliens zip in and out of inner-earth at the North Pole. Or that Benjamin Franklin was too smart to be human, that he must have originated from outer space. I’ve encountered people who truly believe these oddities. The alien Benjamin Franklin drama came from a California high school teacher who was temporarily employed as such. A particular job profile is no guarantee against crazy.

    The drug war critic needs only one obviously foolish belief like those mentioned in order to easily discount every other irrational drug belief the prohibitionist holds. Pursuing and exposing Calvina’s and Cliff’s inner crazy on all fronts would be useful.

    • War Vet says:

      ‘Pursuing and exposing Calvina’s and Cliff’s inner crazy on all fronts would be useful.’

      Do we have proof that they drive cars or ride in non-bike/horse transportation? Well, driving cars are dangerous like ‘marijuana’ supposedly is. If so, then they are hypocritical and hypocrisy is a mental illness because hypocrites believe in things they don’t believe in i.e. 1 plus 1 equals 2 yet we have no proof that one plus one equals two at the same time.

      The only option would be for Islamic Terrorists and the illegal drug dealing lot to have unlimited control and large sums of money, so its only logical that Calvina and Cliff believe that 9/11 and a multi-trillion dollar war against drug money is better than allowing banks to do business with pot stores, which means Calvina and Cliff preach treason during war and are defaulted into being terrorist sympathizers. They also support illegal immigration as well, so they are not ones to preach about obeying laws in America. Anyone who preaches that mass murder is good is the same kind of person who would support the holocaust and what does the war on drugs do for Mexico: mass murder. Its rational to assume Calvina and Cliff dress up as SS Officers during these little prohib parties.

  7. darkcycle says:

    Yep….they’re out. DuPont, Fay, all the foamers-at-the-mouth.
    Kevie’s point about the social costs of alcohol being $10 for every dollar in revenue, and therefore we could never legalize pot is going away quickly, too. Colorado does not seem to have incurred 1.34 billion in social costs.
    Right now legislators in Wa. and Colorado are hating the way the tax revenues are earmarked, and looking for other ways to spend that windfall. Good.

    • skootercat says:

      The bill permits the general assembly to appropriate surplus funds in the marijuana cash fund to the marijuana diversion prevention grant program. The bill creates the marijuana diversion prevention grant program (grant program) that is administered by the state controller. The grant program will provide grants to the state patrol and other state law enforcement agencies that share a border with Colorado to prevent diversion of retail marijuana from Colorado and apprehend those attempting to divert retail marijuana from Colorado.

      • allan says:

        retail smuggling? really? Crikey, these folks are hilarious.

        C’mon Bob! only 20 more stores to stop at and we’ll have a 1/2 pound to smuggle across the border!

        You know, because retail smuggling sounds so profitable…

  8. Servetus says:

    “[Patrick] Kennedy, however, said it ‘is outrageous’… says Rhode Island has among the highest rates of addiction and mental illness in the nation.”

    And I’m sure the Great State of Rhode Island is outraged that Patrick is spouting off to the whole world that RI is number one for addiction and mental illness: ‘Dude, don’t go to Rhode Island, it’s full of wackos.’

  9. Tony Aroma says:

    These people do have one valid point. All of Obama’s “memos” are just half-assed attempts to satisfy the drug law reformers without actually doing anything. Let’s face it, the job of the executive branch is to enforce the laws, not to write memos saying they MIGHT not enforce certain laws under certain circumstances. The administration needs to stop issuing guidance and passing the buck, and DO SOMETHING. The president has the power. Suggesting that some laws not be enforced sometimes is not helping anybody.

  10. Jean Valjean says:

    Pete….are you know moderating comments? I just got this flagged up with my last:

    Jean Valjean
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    February 22, 2014 at 1:25 pm · Reply

    • Pete says:

      Nope. I don’t moderate comments. Sometimes the spam filter (I use Akismet) has a temporary glitch and can’t access its database of spam comments. When that happens, it’ll ocassionally put a comment or two into “moderated” status and notify me that it isn’t able to do its job properly. Then I can get the comment released when I have a chance.

      It’s rare enough and Akismet does such a good job of keeping most spam out, that I’m happy to deal with it (In January, it filtered out over 14,000 spam comments.)

  11. DdC says:

    U.S.: Banks Balk At Marijuana Money Despite Relaxed Guidelines
    Hemp News

    I ran into one of the crazies’ groupies. Hard to tell what they hate more, Obama or drugs. This is like a 2fer for them. As stated and predicted. Banks don’t want to break the law even if no one will bust them. Leaving the only logical conclusion. Remove it as a scheduled substance and stop feeding these jim crow gossip mongers.

    Free From Prosecution,
    Obama Administration Issues New ‘Opium State’
    Executive Decrees for Banks to Rake In Marijuana Money

    Banks Allowed To Do Business With MJ Dispensaries
    Karolina † Klueless † Krusader

    • Windy says:

      Banks have no problem “breaking the law”, they just don’t want to do it openly, they prefer to “break the law” behind closed doors and out of sight of the public.

      • DdC says:

        “Give me control of a Nation’s money
        and I care not who makes the laws.”
        – Mayer Amschel Bauer (Rothschild)

      • DdC says:

        Money Laundering and the Drug Trade
        The Role of the Banks

        Mexico is in the grip of a murderous drug war that has killed over 150,000 people since 2006. It is one of the most violent countries on earth. This drug war is a product of the transnational drug trade which is worth up to $400 billion a year and accounts for about 8% of all international trade.

        The American government maintains that there is no alternative but to vigorously prosecute their zero tolerance policy of arresting drug users and their dealers. This has led to the incarceration of over 500,000 Americans. Meanwhile the flood of illegal drugs into America continues unabated.

        One thing the American government has not done is to prosecute the largest banks in the world for supporting the drug cartels by washing billions of dollars of their blood stained money. As Narco sphere journalist Bill Conroy has observed banks are ”where the money is” in the global drug war.

        Drug War Bailing Out Banksters
        “For years and years, information and evidence being collected by the counterintelligence operations of certain U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies has been prevented from being transferred to criminal and narcotics divisions, and from being shared with the Drug Enforcement Agency and others with prosecutorial power. Those with direct knowledge have been prevented from making this information available and public by various gag orders and invocation of the State Secrets Privilege. Why?”
        ~ Sibel Edmonds

        A Trillion spent is a Trillion earned.

        The vast majority of prohibitionists
        profit on the drug war,..
        … and that is their only motive.

        QUESTION: In Mexico, there are those who propose not keeping going with this battle and legalize drug trafficking and consumption. What is your opinion?

        SECRETARY CLINTON: I don’t think that will work. I mean, I hear the same debate. I hear it in my country. It is not likely to work. There is just too much money in it,

        Money Grubbing Dung Worriers

        Policing for Profit

  12. The crazies: white,racist lunatics fighting communism and the threat from china and russia and muslims and people of color. I repeat: white racist lunatics. To them marijuana is a communist plot to take over America. Get a feel for it here:

    A good example of why America’s prisons are full. Also a very good description of exactly why marijuana needs to be legalized. DdC you got it right when you said they are “jim crow gossip mongers”.

    • DdC says:

      Ya gotta figure when…

      Forty-six percent totally believe Humanity came from Mud People, made of Spit. In the creationist view that God created humans in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years.

      No surprise the remaining…

      Fiffy-four percent of those ages 35 to 54 support legalization.

      Not a great leap of faith to convince the mud people … “Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death. ”the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races.” “Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.” “Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing”

      “The German people have no idea of the extent to which they have to be gulled in order to be led.”

      “Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . . we need believing people.
      ~ Adolf Hitler, April 26, 1933,
      from a speech made during negotiations
      leading to the Nazi Vatican Concordant of 1933

      Religious drug treatment in Texas
      Putting Faith In a Social Service Role;
      Church-Based Providers Freed From Many Rules

      Faith-based groups that provide child care or operate homes for troubled youths can opt out of state inspections and choose to be regulated by a Christian child care agency approved by the state.

      At a Christian young adult home in Corpus Christi, police recently took the unusual step of arresting a supervisor after teenagers complained that they were beaten and roped to a bed, all in the name of Christian discipline. More arrests are anticipated, authorities say.

      “I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good…Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don’t want equal time. We don’t want pluralism.”
      ~Randall Terry, Founder of Operation Rescue,
      The News-Sentinel, Fort Wayne, Indiana, 8-16-93

      ☮To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands.
      ☮But the opportunity of defeating the enemy
      is provided by the enemy himself.
      ☮If you know the enemy, and know yourself,
      you need not fear the outcome of a hundred battles.
      ☮If you know yourself, but not the enemy,
      for every victory gained you will also suffer defeat.
      ☮If you know neither the enemy nor yourself,
      you will succumb in every battle.
      ~The Art of War – Sun Tzu

      • Windy says:

        I just had a flash of a dream of permanently quarantining such “true believers” in Death Valley where they could do no damage to us or our upcoming generations (what they do with their own upcoming generations would be their problem, not ours). Nice dream.

        • claygooding says:

          You just gave me a flash,,how about being kevin’s kids with a lifetime of living under his legacy among the people he is screwing over now.
          talk about endangering children

  13. Jean Valjean says:

    Wow, these guys like kinkaid and calvina (boy, was she well named)are even crazier than I thought. usasurvival is a tinfoil hat site.

    • allan says:

      for every Calvina there are 1000s of Charlottes… and what happens when this latest teen generation starts getting interested and voting? What will they think about being the generation force fed amphetamines and punished for self-medicating with cannabis?

      The discussion isn’t going away. Pot is no longer an ‘insignificant social distraction.’ The cannabis genie is out of the bag.

      Colorado is grinning ear to ear. Washington is… well.. they are ummm… “botching it!” and wanting apparently to look the example of what not to do.

      the sound of one hammer swinging…

      the roar of a million hammers swinging…

      a couple of quotes from Ronald Reagan (I never quote RR):

      government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem…


      Mr. [Obama], tear down this wall!’

    • DdC says:

      Yes but well paid crazies.

      Calvina Fay Prohibition Inc.
      Who’s Funding Calvina Fay of Drug Free America Foundation?

      If you look at, the organizations 2003 Form 990 is online… shows close to $1.2 million in receipts for 2003, of which about $900k was government grants.

      Hemp Flag To Be Flown At Capitol On July 4

      Calvino’s Dung Worriers are an utterly
      disgraceful way to commemorate the birth of our country,

      Calvina Fay, Executive Director of Drug Free America Foundation, Inc. and Save Our Society From Drugs. “There are millions of families in America that battle the scourge of addiction every day and many of them have lost loved ones to drugs.”

      “This insensitive gesture makes a mockery of our nation’s prevention, treatment and law enforcement efforts. July 4th is a day that should be spent celebrating the privilege of living in America, not promoting or normalizing drug use to our citizenry.”

      • Uncle Albert's Nephew says:

        Good job catching that Calvina’s connected to Mel Sembler and Straight Inc.

      • Windy says:

        Also good job pointing out that 75% of Drug Free America Foundation’s funding comes from government grants.

        • primus says:

          How exactly is that not another form of propaganda used by the government on the populace? IIRC that was illegal until recently. At least in theory.

  14. OT on the positive side:

    What If They Had a Drug War + No One Came?

    The simplicity of it makes me smile. He’s right.

  15. Duncan20903 says:

    Reality Check: Marijuana Safer Than Alcohol? Fact-Checking President’s Claim

    To try and narrow the scope, we focused our story on information available about deaths related to those two substances, potential for abuse, impact on the roadways and risk posed to adolescents.

    For nearly each of these benchmarks (with current data), the president’s case is a fairly easy one to make.

    “My initial impression is he’s coming closer to telling the truth than what the government has ever been willing to do about marijuana,” said Dr. Timmen Cermak, an addiction psychiatrist and former president of the California Society of Addiction Medicine.

    • allan says:

      My initial impression is he’s coming closer to telling the truth than what the government has ever been willing to do about marijuana,” said Dr. Timmen Cermak, an addiction psychiatrist and former president of the California Society of Addiction Medicine.


      • Jean Valjean says:

        I’m sure Obama’s getting a lot of pressure from old school Dem politicians: “Whatever you do, do it after November…”
        Thing is, some of these guys would actually get re-elected in their own right if they just had the balls to tell the truth about cannabis. Maybe some will figure it out by November.

        • primus says:

          It could be better if O’Bama did whatever right away, so the political winds can be sniffed and if need be, the candidates in November could either distance themselves from that decision, or embrace it, depending on which way things seem to be going.

  16. Duncan20903 says:


    Speaking of crazies, Ms. Fay reminds me of Nurse Ratched in “One Flew over the Cuckoos Nest”

    This video is a very good approximation of what I’d like to see happen to Ms. Fay. It’s a 56 second clip.

    Say, does everyone remember that Ken Kesey was tripping on acid when he wrote that book?

    • War Vet says:

      Ken was a part of the university testing right? And since hash was popular amongst the French Lit circle of the 1800’s, it could have become popular with American writers had it not had all that negative spin and prohibition to it. I can imagine Sylvia Plath not gassing herself (Lady Lazarus she wasn’t) or even Hemingway not shooting himself if pot was more liberated back in the 50’s and 60’s. Of course we know it was Hunter who turned the Angels onto Acid at Kesey’s house.

      • DdC says:

        We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.
        — President John F. Kennedy

        American High Society

        An International System of Thought

        Centered in Paris, the movement gained international character at cosmopolitan salons. Masonic lodges played an important role in disseminating the new ideas throughout Europe.

        ‘THE HASHISH CLUB’ was the name given to a the group of French writers and artists who first banded together in the years just before the Second Republic to experiment with, and record their experiences, of hashish …….

        All were united in a search for new forms of expresssion and enlightenment …….

        the assembled writers (and painters) comparing their symptons under hashish or opium, and speculating on how their imagination and the writer’s art might be stimulated or betrayed by drugs”.

        “The Hashish Club. — an Anthology of Drug Literature”
        edited by Peter Haining, publ. 1975 by Peter Owen Limited)

        ☛EDGAR ALLAN POE, 1809-49.
        – “Usually I had half filled the bowl of the hookah with opium and tobacco cut and mingled, half and half.

        ☛THEOPHILE GAUTIER, 1811-72.
        -“Hashish has nothing of that ignoble drunkenness about it which the races of the North obtain from wine and alcohol ; it offers an intellectual intoxication”. (Essay, 1844)

        ☛WILLIAM WILKIE COLLINS, 1824-89.
        ☛FRANCIS THOMPSON, 1859-1907.
        ☛HENRY HAVELOCK ELLIS, 1859-1939.
        ☛WILLIAM BUTLER YEATS, 1865-1939.
        ☛ALEISTER CROWLEY, 1875-1947.
        ☛ALLEN GINSBERG, 1926- .
        ☛JOHN LENNON, 1940-

        US Civil War Generals Were Hash Heads

        Maple Sugar Hashish Candy
        Starting in the 1860s, the Ganja Wallah Hasheesh Candy Company made maple sugar hashish candy, which soon became one of the most popular treats in America. For 40 years, it was sold over the counter and advertised in newspapers, as well as being listed in the catalogs of Sears-Roebuck, as a totally harmless, delicious, and fun candy.

        ☛Perilous Play, by Louisa May Alcott
        ☛The Great Marijuana Hoax By Alan Ginsberg
        ☛The Fitz Hugh Ludlow Hypertext Collection
        ☛Cannabis Drug Use in 19th Century America

        Thank God for Hippies

        • War Vet says:

          And don’t forget Verlaine and Arthur Rimbaud . . . Arthur invented Rock and Roll 80 years before Elvis without singing a lyric or playing an instrument. With no Arthur, there is no Apollinaire or Rilke and no de Cherico nor Deluany and no Surrealists and no Beats and no Jim Morrison.

      • Duncan20903 says:


        I don’t know about the university testing part. Mr. Kesey had a job working the midnight shift at the local laughing academy. While working that shift he would drop acid and write. Take that with a grain of salt. I know that I read that somewhere that I consider reliable, very possibly in “The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test” by Tom Wolfe. But I couldn’t verify it after 2 minutes of searching with Google and I’m not that interested in spending time to fetch a citation.

        • War Vet says:

          Actually it wasn’t at the university like I thought it was. He was a civilian volunteer for the U.S. Military and CIA for MKULTRA tests at a veteran’s hospital . . . at least according to Wiki and an old documentary about Kesey and the Pranksters.

          ‘At the instigation of Perry Lane neighbor and Stanford psychology graduate student Vik Lovell, an acquaintance of Richard Alpert and Allen Ginsberg, Kesey volunteered to take part in a CIA-financed study under the aegis of Project MKULTRA, a highly secret military program, at the Menlo Park Veterans Hospital where he worked as a night aide.[8] The project studied the effects of psychoactive drugs, particularly LSD, psilocybin, mescaline, cocaine, aMT, and DMT on people’ (Wiki). Another site says it was in 1959 that he did this.

  17. allan says:

    I think 1 post back someone posted a link to the story on the epilepsy foundation’s support for immediate safe access to research the benefits of cannabis.

    Their letter/press release was a very food read. And it’s real doctors… like experts in their fields type doctors.

    Published on: Thu, Feb 20 2014

    By Philip M. Gattone, President & CEO, Epilepsy Foundation, and
    Warren Lammert, Chair, Epilepsy Foundation Board of Directors

    With Commentary from Orrin Devinsky, M.D., Professor of Neurology, Neurosurgery and Psychiatry, Director, NYU Comprehensive Epilepsy Center Member of Epilepsy Foundation National Board of Directors

    As parents and as advocates, we feel an urgency to respond and take action on an issue that has been brought to the Epilepsy Foundation from individuals we serve across the country– the use of marijuana to treat epilepsy. We write this with advice and support from Nathan Fountain, Chairman of our Professional Advisory Board, and with advice and support from a range of other leading epilepsy professionals and board members.

    2.3 million Americans live with epilepsy, a neurological condition that includes recurring seizures. More than 1 million of them live with uncontrolled seizures. Some of these people may be helped by surgery or other non-drug treatments, but for many, no answers have been found yet. People with uncontrolled seizures live with the continual risk of serious injuries and loss of life.

    The Epilepsy Foundation supports the rights of patients and families living with seizures and epilepsy to access physician directed care, including medical marijuana. Nothing should stand in the way of patients gaining access to potentially life-saving treatment. If a patient and their healthcare professionals feel that the potential benefits of medical marijuana for uncontrolled epilepsy outweigh the risks, then families need to have that legal option now — not in five years or ten years. For people living with severe uncontrolled epilepsy, time is not on their side. This is a very important, difficult, and personal decision that should be made by a patient and family working with their healthcare team.

    Treatments for epilepsy with any form of marijuana come with risks, as there is much that is not known about its effects. The consistency of available formulations also needs to be addressed. Caution is appropriate, and we strongly recommend that patients with uncontrolled seizures seek out an epilepsy specialist. However, existing therapies have real side-effects both known and unknown, and, just as there are risks with any treatment, every day without seizure control is a risk to life. Every seizure is a possible opportunity lost to live, learn, and grow.

    The Epilepsy Foundation calls for an end to Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) restrictions that limit clinical trials and research into medical marijuana for epilepsy. We applaud recent decisions that have allowed clinical trials of Cannabidiol (CBD) oil, to begin in several states. Certain components of medical marijuana, including CBD, have shown effectiveness in animal studies, and there have been encouraging anecdotal reports from patients. But further research and unbiased clinical trials are needed to establish whether and in what forms medical marijuana is or is not effective and safe. Restrictions on the use of medical marijuana continue to stand in the way of this research.

    The Epilepsy Foundation believes that an end to seizures should not be determined by one’s zip code. Our current situation as an epilepsy community is not acceptable. Families looking to access medical marijuana as a treatment are facing terrible decisions. One parent may move across the country to live with a child to seek this treatment. Other families may uproot entirely, including leaving their job, to move where they can access CBD oil. In the past, when therapies not yet approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) were available abroad and left only to those who could afford to travel, we fought for compassionate access. We are here to continue the fight.

    The Epilepsy Foundation will be doing the following to support improved access and research into medical marijuana:

    1. Calling on the Drug Enforcement Administration to implement a lesser schedule for marijuana so that it can be more easily accessible for medical research.
    2. Supporting appropriate changes to state laws to increase access to medical marijuana as a treatment option for epilepsy, including pediatric use as supported by a treating physician.
    3. Supporting the inclusion of epilepsy as a condition that uses medical marijuana as a treatment option where it is currently available.
    4. Supporting research on multiple forms of cannabis and seizures.

    What can you do to help? Advocate for increased access and for the freedom to conduct medical research on a potentially effective treatment against seizures and epilepsy. Join with us at

    Here’s Our Story:

    As the President & CEO and as the Chair of the Board of the Epilepsy Foundation, we are privileged to lead a nationwide network of caring volunteers and staff who work tirelessly to improve lives of individuals living with epilepsy.

    We are also fathers of individuals living with epilepsy. Phil’s son has had thousands of seizures in his life and has endured two brain surgeries to stop his seizures. Warren’s daughter has a genetic form of epilepsy that is marked by severe seizures and, despite an implanted medical device and three different epilepsy medicines, endures daily waves of seizures.

    Some individuals, specifically families of children with uncontrolled seizures, are using what is called cannabidiol oil, or CBD oil, and anecdotally a few are seeing remarkable results. This is truly spectacular — anytime someone finds a treatment that stops seizures, there is cause for celebration because seizure freedom for one person means hope of seizure freedom for others.

    There is still a lot we don’t know about the medical use of marijuana for epilepsy. Until clinical trials are completed, doctors and patients will not know whether medical marijuana or CBD will on balance harm someone or help someone with epilepsy. We are advocating for the rights of patients and families to determine with their doctor if this is an appropriate therapy for them, but we recognize the unknowns and the difficulty of this decision for an individual patient.

    There is an obvious and urgent need for research. The Epilepsy Foundation is proud that we are currently funding an important research study to learn more about the effect of a form of cannabis on individuals living with uncontrolled epilepsy.

    As fathers, we know the pain of watching our children experience uncontrolled seizures.

    We know how epilepsy impacts development in children for whom no available current treatment has been successful.

    We know about the dangers that can occur when families are forced to leave medical systems and physicians they know to move to other states.

    We know seizures not only affect the individual enduring seizures, it also impacts siblings, parents, grandparents, kids and grandchildren, other loved ones and friends.

    We know the difference between having recurring seizures and not having seizures can mean the difference between life and death.

    Warren’s daughter is fortunate to be enrolled in a clinical trial of CBD. We do not know if this will help Sylvie but know the cost of her unrelenting seizures. Weighing the issue with her doctor, we decided the potential benefits outweigh the risks. Other parents and other individuals living with potentially devastating seizures should have the same opportunity to make that determination.

    If an epilepsy patient and their doctor feel that marijuana is their best treatment option then they need to have safe, legal access to medical marijuana and they need that access now.

    • strayan says:

      Hells yes.

      • allan says:


        I think perhaps a very important point often missed is the difference between hippie/rasta/etc context of medical ganja and the corporate/state insistence on torturing the details.

        Part of cannabis therapy IS compassion. Compassion, empathy and dog bless that smile… that’s what’s missed by them. Magic, that ephemeral notion of abracadabra and poof and Potter is simply making reality. Reality is a kitchen (thanks Jim Evangelista), friends, good smells, comfort… a place where a pill in a bottle can’t go. There is no garden outside with an 8′ x 12′ mature pot plant in it, in some pill.

        And so far, they’ve shown they are willing to torment us, our children (Charlotte, etc) and anyone standing against free and open research should be, pretty much automatically, told to stfu and go sit at the kids table, the adults need to talk.

        And maybe the part that kinda really pisses me off is the dismissal of millions – millions – of us that have our medical testimony dismissed or at best called anecdotal. Like Peter said, ain’t nobody’s business if I do.

        • Duncan20903 says:


          One problem that annoys me to no end is that most of the time the evidence that they call anecdotal isn’t. If I say, “medicinal cannabis makes my chronic pain tolerable without the nasty side effects of opioids” that not anecdotal, it’s testimony. If I say, “I had the misfortune of watching a dear friend who suffered from leukemia for 2 years and die at age 49. The only thing that brought him any relief was medicinal cannabis.” That’s anecdotal.

          For crying out loud when the pharmaceutical companies are doing studies of pain relief or anti-depressants the entire process consists of asking the study subject how he feels. The only difference is there’s no “control” cohort but at a certain but unknown to me number of people concern for the placebo effect can be discarded.

          Person in constant pain: “medicinal cannabis makes my chronic pain tolerable without the nasty side effects of opioids”

          Sycophant of prohibition: Oh no, it doesn’t treat your pain, it just makes you think it does!

    • allan says:

      I need to watch those typos:

      Their letter/press release was a very food good read.

      • Borg Man says:

        You have been selected to be Assimilated. I will take you with Me to the Collective, Alan. No Thanks I do not Smoke. I, I, Uh, doyyyy {gurgle hiss} I will take you to the Party now, Alan. Yes bring the Dancing Girls, and the Camaro, of Course.

    • DdC says:

      Not trying to pee in the pool, but the priority is getting treatment to the kids, not more research to what? Make sure it does no harm? While people are harmed in the meantime? 5000 years not enough time to study it? Or have to step lightly since research depends on donations that don’t favor treating kids outside of synthetics. hockpoooey!

      Calling on the Drug Enforcement Administration to implement a lesser schedule for marijuana…

      Ending & Pillage Incrementally
      Keeping it with Big Pharma over Homegrown right cheer in the U.S.of A!

      So that it can be more easily accessible for medical research.

      Possibly the most-studied substance on the planet

      Or hey, why not ask those who don’t have seizures since using Ganja, including higher CBD’s. Marijuana Stops Child’s Severe Seizures. Or like brain tumors is this going to be swept under the rug and as usual, future research is never started. As long as individual cannabinoids are under patents. What’s another decade of suffering kids? Sickening yet to the kids its better than nothin.

      To have paid drug worrier liars try to delay its use even longer is a direct assault on the American people. How can anyone stand by and not question it? How many years have they known and still ask for more research and act as if they haven’t a clue? Heading up non profit corporations and they haven’t got a clue about Cannabis? I think that is willful and self administered ignorance. Education depravation is a problem with censored school books, in medical school. But credible information has been available and none of the “Non Profits” have shown any enthusiasm over Ganja treatment.

      Gupta gulled them out with Charlotte. But the other Disease Charities aren’t kicking down doors for answers. They still want to ask the paid liars for permission to test cannabis for seizure treatment. Where the hell am I? Is this America where problems get solved or do we have to see the balance sheet first? If it takes profits we can’t help the kids? If we just let them relieve themselves they won’t need Epilepsy Foundations. Doing research, but it takes stoners to bitch for decades then take it into their own hands in spite of the government doing its expensive damnedest to stop Charlotte from getting treatment. tsk tsk tsk

      Generalized tonic-clonic seizures (grand mal seizures), during which the person falls to the ground, the entire body stiffens, and the person’s muscles begin to jerk or spasm (convulse).
      Epilepsy Health Center

      There is still a lot we don’t know about the medical use of marijuana for epilepsy. Until clinical trials are completed, doctors and patients will not know whether medical marijuana or CBD will on balance harm someone or help someone with epilepsy.

      Employed in medicine, for its anodyne,hyponotic, and anti-spasmodic qualities.
      ~ Webster’s Dictionary 1952

      Using Pot To Save Brains!

      Every 20 minutes on TV they show a drug commercial with far less testing before it is released, and many times re-called from side effects as if using the patient as a Guinea pig. The commercials are about 20% product benefits la la la la la and 80% disclosing side effects by law or they probably wouldn’t. Like GMO foods fighting labeling. Or chemical cigarettes still not listing their adulteration poisons, not in tobacco. Yet cannabis, the safest of all medicines has to be researched more.

      The IOM, Institute of Medicine report after several lawsuits demanding the DEA test it. Was completed and released to the public in 1999. Everything we said about it was true. The only negative was smoke, but they compared it falsely to cigarettes and cannabis hasn’t the additional poisons either. As far as it being a threat to society or not medicinal or highly addictive. All were shot down. We won. Then it was supposed to go to the HHS, Health and Human Services under Donna Shalalagans, then Tommygun Thompson sat on it and now whomever t/f is there is still sitting on it. Before it can be authorized it has to be tested by the FDA, Food and Drug Administration who have never received orders from the HHS to test it. So Big Pharma seems to rule the Sciences and Government purse strings.

      Pretty slick to cut competition by banning research on your competitors. Fascist but slick. So people need to demand cannabis in all forms be removed as a controlled substance and continue categorizing the strains with results from the patients feedback as WAMM and others have been doing in spite of the DEA hurdles. Tax paid to keep kids sick. Is that not true? No matter what message or intention at the end of the day it is just another day of stalling, diversions and keeping profits flowing.

      White House comment line 202-456-1111

      • allan says:

        Not trying to pee in the pool, but the priority is getting treatment to the kids, not more research to what? Make sure it does no harm? While people are harmed in the meantime? 5000 years not enough time to study it? Or have to step lightly since research depends on donations that don’t favor treating kids outside of synthetics. hockpoooey!

        each at their own speed is what it is. But this kind of statement, [t]he Epilepsy Foundation calls for an end to Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) restrictions that limit clinical trials and research into medical marijuana for epilepsy is why I applaud the letter.

        Forward is a good direction. I shan’t complain about those that proceed at a slower pace than we.

        And since Windy threw Heinlein into the mix, another aspect of that letter I celebrate is that more folks are grokking pot.

        … would be a good bumpersticker: Grok Pot

  18. cj says:

    The other day I was in an apartment nodding off nicely and channel surfing when I saw a religious network. The program was ahalf hour. And it was revolting to see. These “pastors” remind me of my own panhandling self but it was shocking to see them I swear asking/demanding a 300 dollar minimum donation, forget spare change or a dollar, anything less than 300 wasn’t worth talking about. As someone who suffers immensely begging for 10 bucks every 5 hours I was absolutely stunned. Dare I say I was stunned into feeling sober! The horror, indeed! I just can’t believe these sick, evil, twisted people can do this and I believe so many prohibitionists are so very like these people. Its sickening. Worthy indeed in magnitude to dope sickness. Its sad. Higher power? Go to hell. I will always be happy that my higher power is akin to the red god in George rr martins game of thrones series, to quote my favorite character in the series, the one true king stannis baratheon, after you’ve seen it is real how can you deny (the red god) well my higher power is the syringe and I do very verbally thank god after every successful score and injection. I hate these judgmental prohibitionists so much

  19. cj says:

    Uh oh, I just read word that looks like el chapo has been captured. It’s pretty big news though im not sure if it’s a good thing or a bad thing. Probably an indifferent thing since prohibition has taught us consistently that catching a drug boss only means a new one will replace the captured one right? Lol, so the insane and insanely expensive game of whack a mole continues, eh amigos? Hasta la pasta babys

    • claygooding says:

      The stockholders will have a new one in place for their next order.

    • allan says:

      I wonder what the deal was? The deal that is between the DEA and the Sinaloans. They’ve been in bed for what, a decade at least? There’s more here than getting Shorty…

      • War Vet says:

        Regardless of the deal, it will lead to a power struggle within the Cartel or cause the Cartel to split or allow another cartel to gain power with the loss of the boss. I wonder what this will do for the meth being pumped out by their little brother and ally, the Colima Cartel? Nothing good will come out of it. We already have read from the U.N. and Zurich Institute etc etc that their cocaine suppliers in South America have business ties to Hamas and Hezbollah (unless we’re assuming the other side of the world is coke free and only sold/used in North and South America). It behooves the Mexicans to expand their business by buying Crescent Poppy if they themselves cannot or will not grow enough to fill all the spoons of North America. I also wonder why I was the only soldier in my company to question why we had Latin American drug smugglers in our Baghdad prison my unit ran. Crescent poppy is far cheaper when there is a war going on than SE Asian poppy while there is no major war going on.

    • Howard says:

      Here’s a little information from an official government document regarding the capture of “key personnel” involved in trafficking;


      “The removal of key personnel does not have a discernable impact on drug flows as determined by seizure rates. DTO operations appear to have built in redundancy and personnel that perform specific duties to limit the damage incurred by the removal of any one person.”

      Full document here;


      So we get these headline reports of cartel heads being captured as if it means something. Yet it does not — at all. The drug war crazies will suggest that this is a “success” of the war on drugs — except it isn’t. But we already know that…

  20. Howard says:

    This won’t sit well with the crazies;

    “A medical marijuana dispensary in the Denver area doesn’t have any more impact on its neighborhood than does a coffee shop or a drugstore, according to a recent study released by the University of Colorado Denver.”

    Watch out for exploding heads.

    • Duncan20903 says:


      Nah, they’ll just say that the study has no credibility. We need to keep in mind that the prohibitionists judge the credibility of a scientific study by how closely the headline confirms their bias. Remember that you just can’t fool a prohibitionist. Well, that is unless you dress up a fatherly, scientist looking guy in a lab coat and have him deliver the propaganda in a somber tone of authoritative gravitas. Then you can get them to fall for just about anything you can possibly imagine.

  21. ezrydn says:

    Yes, the Mex.Marines captured Shorty night before last in a hotel in Mazatlan, on the West Coast, about 140 miles west of me. Extradite him before he buys the prison!

  22. Duncan20903 says:


    I heard that the Mexican government has launched an all out manhunt for the #1 cartel boss! They claim they’re going to employ any means necessary, spare no expense and use every trick in the book to catch him as soon as they figure out his name! I’m putting this one in the “conocer al nuevo jefe, igual que el antiguo jefe” category.

    And so it goes.

  23. Duncan20903 says:


    Wow, talk about a nice way to wake up. Washington Post. Front page above the fold. Sunday edition. As Ben Stein would say, “Wow.”

    Marijuana’s Moment?
    Marijuana’s rising acceptance comes after many failures. Is it now legalization’s time?
    by Marc Fisher
    February 22, 2014

    link to article

    WTF is it with the pictures of flowering male cannabis plants in MSM articles about cannabis?

    • Windy says:

      I can’t read that article until after 3/1, I reached my limit of free articles (thanks to trying to follow Radley’s blog on WP) in the first week of the month.

      • Viggo Piggsko Flatmark says:

        What if you open a new incognito browser window?

        • Windy says:

          I use Chrome, can you explain how to use an “incognito browser window” with Chrome? I didn’t even know it was possible. Nevermind, I just found the way. Thanks.

  24. allan says:

    we know Florida is in need of a drastic cut in their dumb prohibs quota… well here’s a chance to spread some troot (FB log-in):

    Guest column: Is legalizing marijuana good for our kids?

    (note: the author is an “addiction specialist”)

    • War Vet says:

      I put on my boxing gloves for that. Damn it. I was so desiring that this Sunday would be nothing but writing on my book, but activism never sleeps . . . if I can help at least one inch of destroying the wall, then maybe a potential reader/customer can enjoy my book without going through the hell of getting arrested for drugs and thus losing out on the kind of opportunity that affords one access to buying a book or learning about a book/author.

  25. DdC says:

    Marijuana’s Rising Acceptance

    In the “medication area” of the nation’s biggest marijuana exposition, scantily clad young women hand out marshmallows they’ve dipped into a rushing fountain of pot-laced chocolate. A few steps away, Anthony Ramirez offers free hits from a bong filled with the waxy marijuana extract that his family started producing when a friend’s mother needed relief from the pain of lupus.

    Across a vast outdoor plaza lined with hundreds of booths, this month’s Cannabis Cup gathering in Southern California has attracted more than 10,000 visitors at $40 a ticket. By midafternoon, some of them are sprawled on overstuffed couches that merchants have thoughtfully provided. Others move from booth to booth, sampling wares from businesses that have risen from the underground economy to create a burgeoning industry of hazy legality.

  26. DdC says:

    The Religious Freedom Act was pushed by Center for Alabama Policy


    by R J Shulman

    MONTGOMERY, Alabama – (PTSD News Service) Not to be outdone by Arizona, which just passed legislation that allows a person or business to refuse service to homosexuals based upon religious beliefs, Alabama legislators have passed a law that makes it legal to do anything at all if it is part of the person’s closely held religious beliefs. Senate Bill 666, which passed by a 21-14 margin, protects a person from being prosecuted for any action, no matter how extreme, if they claim it is part of their religious beliefs…

    So are they welcoming Rastafarians to practice their religion?

    When asked if the Religious Freedom Act would allow non-Christians such as Jews, Muslims or Unitarians to use their religious beliefs to attack Baptists, Clete Goams (R-Birmingham) who sponsored the legislation said, “of course not, this law if for Christians only as this is clearly a Christian country.”

  27. Reuters says: Governors say legalizing marijuana is a step too far

    I think the Governor’s need to hear loud and clear that nobody asked them in the first place.

    • Frank W says:

      I need to tell myself loud and clear to stop looking at stories on the Yahoo “news” page. It’s a pig circus of adware and refried gossip.

      • allan says:

        refried gossip… much better if refried in a cast iron using achote, chili powder and lime – garnish with cilantro and salsa to taste.

  28. Howard says:

    Snipped from an article;


    CNBC is going back to the well, or the dispensary, for another documentary on marijuana. “Marijuana in America: Colorado Pot Rush,” reported by CNBC’s Harry Smith debuts Wednesday, February 26th at 10PM.


    Might be worth a watch.

    • B. Snow says:

      Thank You, Howard!

      Finally = Someone my folks will not only listen to – But also believe & ‘trust’.
      Kinda like people did with Walter Kronkike, with his sign-off:
      “And that’s the way it is”

      Heck, My Mom would probably listen to him read the phonebook, or the newspaper ads, well – maybe… I think it was all those years on CBS mornings & evenings.

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