Colorado counts down to legal cannabis shops

bullet image The Denver Post has a new website for their pot culture reporter: The Cannabist, with cannabis reviews, recipes and much more.

Looks like a good site.

bullet image Jacob Sullum writes about What to expect when Colorado’s marijuana shops open on Wednesday

Short answer: shortages and price increases

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32 Responses to Colorado counts down to legal cannabis shops

  1. primus says:

    All this means is that the present black market will continue for a few more months before the inevitability of economics kicks in. People who have a ‘guy’ will continue to patronize him until the legal supply is sufficient.

    • curmudgeon says:

      Yup, I was considering going to Denver to buy an eighth, but at fifty to sixty dollars an eighth, forget itl That’s twice what I pay my caregiver. Happy 2014 everyone.

  2. kaptinemo says:

    “…with cannabis reviews, recipes and much more.”

    In other words, normality. As in normal. As in it’s no big deal. As in a few months from now, when the ‘shine’ comes off the novelty, people will yawn and turn the page.

    The very idea that the prohibitches have tried to move Heaven and Earth to prevent from ever becoming a fixture of the American mind…has been a fixture of the American mind for at least 3 generations. Typical prohibs; they never seem to get the memo. To top that off, they’re 8 decades late and a trillion dollars short.

    • Howard says:

      Legalization + normality = a prohibitionists’ worst nightmare.

      GOOD, because that’s exactly what the outcome will be.

      • allan says:

        Saw Calvina on the NBC Evening News… (had to ask if it was New Years or Halloween) and she looked defeated, unenthusiastic and… well… like the spark had died. She repeated the same old crap but w/o conviction. Must be saving her energy for the WOD war crimes trials.

  3. stlgonzo says:

    OT: Looks like we need to ban puffer fish

    Puff, puff, pass: Young dolphins deliberately chew puffer fish to get high with each other

    • DdC says:

      Damn, Rookie Steelers just drink beer.

      “There is not a shred of hope from history or from cross-culture studies to suggest that human beings can live without psychoactive substances.” Bees drop to the ground after having nectar from certain orchards. Birds get drunk off berries and then fly into windows. After cats sniff certain plants they swing at imaginary objects. Certain range weeds will make cows shake, twitch, and stumble back for more. Elephants purposely get drunk on fermented fruits…”
      From The Natural Mind by Dr. Andrew Weil

  4. darkcycle says:

    Surprise, surprise. Colorado is in a better position than Washington. Washington went with Kleiman’s estimates (which were likely short by at least half of the market). So even at full capacity, the legal market can’t displace the Black Market. And the agency handling cannabis in Wa. is the same agency which couldn’t turn a profit with a protected monopoly on alcohol.
    Never underestimate Washington State’s ability to turn a good idea into a clusterf*ck.

  5. TrebleBass says:

    Does anyone know whteher counties that ban retail outlets will get to share in the tax revenues?

  6. claygooding says:

    Will the sky fall in,,will the mental institutions fill with schizo patients,,will the emergency rooms fill with marijuana induced illnesses,,will the hospitals fill with testicular cancer patients,,will a new market for men’s brassieres surface,,will the death rates on CO highways go ballistic,,will black men think they are as good as whites,,all these questions and more will begin to look like what they were and are,,lies and racial bigotry but will the failure of all of the above happening shut the prohibitiches up?

    • Nunavut Tripper says:

      No, the sky will stay put but unfortunately some idiot will do something really stupid like shoot up a school and then the presence of cannabinoids in his blood or a picture of him sucking a bong on Facebook will give the prohibs something to rant about.
      They can instantly correlate legalization as the cause of this violent outburst….no peer reviewed study’s necessary thank you.

      I hope I’m wrong on this prediction.

      • darkcycle says:

        No, Tripper, you’re right. How could it be any other way?

      • NorCalNative says:

        While researching Rick Simpson Oil I recall Nunavut being mentioned.

        I’ve been using the oil on a daily basis for the last few months and it’s allowed me to discontinue my NSAID medication as well as an old-school anti-depressant (Elavil) I used for pain and neuropathy.

        My arthritic and neuropathic symptoms have been greatly reduced and I feel better than I have in years.

        It’s a shame that Rick got run out of Canada for trying to bring the truth to people. And, that truth is that medicine and industry cannot compete with cannabis and hemp on a level playing field. PERIOD.

        • claygooding says:

          I read the other day that all charges against him had been dropped,,have not heard if he is back home yet.

      • NorCalNative says:

        Here’s a study showing that the endocannabinoid system reduced aggression in CB1 knockout mice.

        “Circuit Specific Functions of Cannabinoid CB1 Receptor in the Balance and Investigatory Drive and Exploation”

        “Results suggest that gluatamatergic cannabinoid receptors are not only responsible for MEDIATING AGGRESSION, but produce an anxiolytic-like function by inhibiting excessive arousal.”

        However, just because there’s a study showing that cannabis doesn’t produce aggression doesn’t mean that there wont be the types of attempts you suggest.

      • B. Snow says:

        Here’s a little something you may want to have handy for future reference = whenever such nonsense is suggested… In the next few months – it will be suggested by the prob-Idiots.

        “Correlation does not imply causation”

        AKA: “Post hoc ergo propter hoc”

        See Also: Logical Fallacy

        *I’ll wager right now* — That it’s most likely to come from a grieving mother = (thru a face full of tears, in true early 80’s MADD-style) – right after some kid gets killed in a car wreck, and one of the drivers has “dirty metabolites” in their system.

        Regardless of whether they’re actually *active* metabolites or not. Actually, IDK – Washington & Colorado might be savvy & smart enough to test for this but god forbid it happens in Idaho or Utah.
        It could/would be on the News for weeks…

        Just pray that if/when such a thing happens – that the ‘guilty’ person is/was also *more recently drunk than high*, with a DUI/DWI blood level (collected at the scene) to prove it was more likely alcohol than cannabis.

    • Duncan20903 says:


      I am truly shocked that the prohibitionists haven’t yet pointed out that all of this talk about legalizing merrywanna is causing people to go get gay married! Just how long do you think it will take until everyone in the Country to be stoned and in a committed, monogamous homolytic relationship? Do we really want to take that chance?

      How the heck can people who live to regurgitate hysterical rhetoric miss an obvious opportunity like that? Did they forget that anything negative that happens anywhere in the general vicinity of cannabis was caused by the cannabis? Heck, not only should it be obvious to the citizens of Propaganda Fantasy Land, but it kills two birds with one stone!!

  7. NorCalNative says:

    If cannabis is going to be legal in Colorado, why did they design it in a way that allows for employers to fire employees who test positive?

    Theoretically most in Colorado with a job must still view cannabis as a prohibited substance.

    Just asking, but how do you call that legalization?

    • darkcycle says:

      Doesn’t matter in Washington, it’s an “At will” employment State. Not sure about Colorado, but here, an employer can fire for any reason, or none at all.

      • Duncan20903 says:


        Colorado’s Lawful Off-Duty Activities Statute forbids firing an employee for engaging in legal activities when not on the clock. Don’t get to excited because the Colorado Court of Appeals has ruled that Federal law counts.

        It seems to me the ruling is ripe for appeal but it involves significantly arcane components of a number of different legal disciplines that I can’t go with the standard State and local authorities can’t enforce Federal law argument. I think it probably a valid argument but there’s too many moving parts for me to believe it definite even though one of the appellate Judges sees it my way.

        Colorado court upholds firing for off-the-job medical marijuana use
        “While we agree that the general purpose of (the Lawful Off-Duty Activities Statute) is to keep an employer’s proverbial nose out of an employee’s off-site off-hours business,” Court of Appeals Chief Judge Janice Davidson wrote in the opinion, “we can find no legislative intent to extend employment protection to those engaged in activities that violate federal law.”

        Judge Jose Marquez concurred in the opinion.

        But Judge John Webb disagreed, saying that the Lawful Off-Duty Activities Statute should be read as only concerning state law. The statute, Webb argued, was intended to protect employees from discriminatory firing.

        “If an employee’s off-the-job activity violated only federal criminal law, that activity might well warrant termination based on ‘a bona fide occupational requirement’ of the position,” Webb wrote in his dissent. “But if the employee’s activity was unlawful only under federal law, and it did not relate to such a requirement, then the employee would be protected from termination.”

    • Duncan20903 says:


      NorCalNative, it appears that you believe that testing for (some) drugs is far more ubiquitous than is true. You do realize that Colorado employers are not just starting to adopt the drugs testing because of A-64, right?

      You can call it anything you want but I think that only a damfool would believe that more prohibition is better than less prohibition. A-64 has not increased the burden of employment drugs screening and somehow the fans of cannabis have been muddling though somehow for at least a full decade. But if you want a practical solution, urine luck.

      Would you care to share some ideas of how our little 7% of the population can get these laws passed without any compromise with outsiders? You know, the people who have been bombarded with prohibitionist propaganda for decades and decades who haven’t got much reason to doubt the word of the professional confidence artists who have played them for chumps trusted government and private sector employees. Yes, I know that they’re more accurately described as hysterical rhetoric regurgitating malignant narcissistic pathological liars but that’s because I’ve gone out and actually looked at the evidence.

      If we play for all or nothing, we get nothing. It really is a simple as that. The prohibitionist parasites have been playing all or nothing and look how well that’s worked for them. I’ve got no problem asserting that had John Lawn accepted the ruling from his own administrated law judge in 1988 that we’d be nowhere near as close to shutting down the prohibitionist dog and pony show as we are today.

      • claygooding says:

        They have painted themselves into a corner by stubbornly refusing to address the schedule 1 classification,,they are acting arbitrarily and it appears,to the public,that their only real reason for keeping marijuana schedule 1 is their own budget and no science to back their position,,instead they face appx 20,ooo peer reviewed studies contradicting them.
        By continuing they have put their entire drug war machine and it’s interlinking policy of denial of research in the limelight,,where they never wanted it to be.

      • NorCalNative says:

        Duncan, I’m not going to argue with you. I appreciate what you bring here and always enjoy the depth and intelligence of your posts.

        I’ve had close friends ruin their lives with cocaine due to employment drug testing for cannabis. Maybe I’m a little too sensitive on this issue.

        Have a good and healthy year and keep fighting the good fight.

    • TrebleBass says:

      good thing is, i bet a lot of places wont bother to test people or fire them if they test positive for cannabis. it probably costs money to test/fire people unnecessarily, and employers know that. unless they’re ideologically driven against marijuana, they will not fire people for it. i don’t know if there are still incentives, like there used to be, where businesses get some kind of prize for having a “drug free workplace”, or are punished somehow for not having one. i did hear somewhere that the drug-testing business in colorado had plummeted because of legalization. i don’t know if that’s true. either way, the most important step has already been taken. it shouldn’t be too long before socially it becomes understood that smoking doesn’t make you less capable, and less and less employers will fire people for it.

      • Windy says:

        Grammar police here with a tiny little nit to pick, it should have been written as “fewer and fewer employers will fire people for it.”

        Happy New Year to everyone on the couch and also to those just looking in occasionally.

  8. TrebleBass says:

    Something i cant believe i had never thought of (until recently) is that cannabis is likely going to be a much more widely used product than it ever has before because of cbd (at least in modern times). Between the cbd users and the thc users (and everyone in between (like me!)), practically everyone is going to be using cannabis. There are plenty of people who will never be interested in psychedelia (at least not on a regular basis), but when you think about it, what are the things the pharmaceutical industry makes most money off of? Anxiety relief, stress relief, pain relief, insomnia relief. All things that cbd is perfect for without causing psychedelic effects. For those who dont like the idea of smoking it, therell be eadibles and tinctures and so forth. Its even anti psychotic. For people like me who are prone to paranoia when getting too much thc, i actually plan on consuming more cbd than thc. Antipsychotic means it helps organize your thoughts which, in turn helps you concentrate, and because of the anxiety relief, im assuming reduces social anxiety and makes you more capable of following conversations(concentration), so it helps you function socially better too. Anyway, thats all stuff for me and others like me whose brains are a little prone to schizophrenic like symtoms (ive never had access to cbd, i hope the day i finally do im not dissapointed, but this is what ive read); but for many others, the pain relief, anxiety relief, insomnia and stress relief, will be their main things (and the concentration thing i bet will actually find a market too). Also, the ant-depressant effects that if not cbd and/or thc, surely some other cannabinoid can provide. It really is astounding, the possibilities. Not to mention the value of psychedelia in and of itself. Definitely much more than fifty percent of people are going to be using cannabis.

    • NorCalNative says:

      It doesn’t sound like you’re in a medical cannabis state.

      Here’s a idea that could work. You can now purchase CBD veterinary medication over the internet from a company called Canna-Pet.

      The doses are designed for cats and dogs and would need to be increased significantly for human consumption. But, it might be something to consider.

      I like having the CBD tincture around when a good batch
      of something like Super Silver Haze gets me feeling a little anxious. I was using as my primary go to me for neuropathy but the High-THC Rick Simpson Oil seems to be managing that as good or better now.

      You have the right ideas about what cannabis and CBD-rich medication has to offer. I truly believe it could and should be a cradle-to-grave medication.

      CBD appears to be “alerting” in lower doses but sedating in large dosing. For social anxiety it is an anxiolytic and works well.

      • TrebleBass says:

        extremely interesting idea. i’d never heard of that. question, though, now that i think about it, does any food made from hemp have cbd (and if so, is it there in significant quantities)?

  9. DdC says:

    World’s First State-Licensed MJ Retailers Opens
    The world’s first state-licensed marijuana retailers legally permitted to sell pot for recreational use to the general public opened for business in Colorado on Wednesday with long lines of customers, marking a new chapter in America’s drug culture. Roughly three dozen former medical marijuana dispensaries newly cleared by state regulators to sell pot to consumers who are interested in nothing more than its mind- and mood-altering properties began welcoming customers as early as 8 a.m. MST.

    Breckenridge, Silverthorne Pot Sales Attract Lines

    As Colorado Legalizes Marijuana Hopes Soar

    World’s First Legal Marijuana Sales To Begin

  10. DdC says:

    Marijuana in Colorado Has a Long History
    Federal marijuana prohibition in the United States started with a knock on a Denver man’s apartment door. Seventy-six years ago, a guy named Samuel Caldwell became the first person arrested and prosecuted under a federal charge of selling marijuana, after drug-enforcement agents busted him with 3 pounds of cannabis in his apartment at 17th and Lawrence streets. So historically significant was the moment that the nation’s leading anti-marijuana crusader, Federal Bureau of Narcotics chief Harry Anslinger, came to Denver to watch the trial.

    MJ Guide: 64 Answers To Commonly Asked Questions

    Pot Tourism Seeks Acceptance in Colorado

    Denver Police Won’t Actively Seek Pot-Smokers

  11. allan says:

    not a bad piece on CO’s first day on the NBC Evening News (and no Calvina! Not one prohib in the whole thing!). People lined up out the door and around the corner.

  12. jerry says:

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