Open Thread

bullet image Someone at the Baptist Press has got their panties in a bunch. Feds surrender on marijuana policy

WASHINGTON (BP) — The Obama administration has waved the white flag in the war on drugs by deciding not to challenge state laws legalizing marijuana for recreational use, a Southern Baptist public policy expert says. […]

The Obama administration’s ruling is “extremely unsettling,” said Barrett Duke, vice president for public policy of the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission.

“For it to decide to let the states establish their own laws on drug use signals its surrender on the war on drugs,” Duke said of the administration. “All the other states in the union should be concerned about the federal government’s willful disregard of federal drug laws and for the threat it poses to their ability to prevent the rise of drug use in their own states.”

bullet image More info on the upcoming hearings with Senator Leahy…

King County sheriff to testify before U.S. Senate

King County Sheriff John Urquhart will appear in Washington, D.C., before the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee on Sept. 10, his spokeswoman Sergeant Cindi West said Wednesday. […]

“I supported I-502 last year because, as a former narcotics detective, I can say with full confidence that the war on drugs has been a failure,” said Urquhart. “There has to be a better way. And as far as marijuana is concerned, the citizens of Washington have decided legalization for personal use appears to be that ‘better way.’ Law enforcement needs to respect their decision.” […]

In addition to Urquhart, U.S. Deputy Attorney General James Cole and Jack Finlaw, chief legal counsel to Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper, will appear before the committee.

bullet image Careful what you say if you’re in Malta. No possession of drugs reguired for drug possession charges

No illegal drugs were however traced to Stoyanovich, but this did not stop the police from pressing charges of possession, based only on his verbal admission of having previously smoked the substance. […]

“I would say a good 50% of all drug possession cases do not involve drug possession at all but are in fact based only on admissions by the accused,” he told MaltaToday, adding that the police have a standard formula for how to extract such confessions from unwitting suspects.

“The law as it stands is that possession of cannabis is illegal. The legal reasoning behind such possession charges is that an admission of having smoked cannabis implies that one would have had to be in possession of the drug in order to smoke it, and this is considered enough evidence to base a prosecution on.”

bullet image Video Jury Nullifcation v. The Drug War NJ Weedman (Ed Forchion) discusses how he did it.

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109 Responses to Open Thread

  1. claygooding says:

    If anyone knows King County Sheriff John Urquhart please contact him and ask him to please inform the Judicial Committee that the federal grants and seizure laws for marijuana arrests are what fuels the 880,000 arrests for marijuana yearly,,not DoJ memos.

  2. Francis says:

    The Obama administration’s ruling is “extremely unsettling,” said Barrett Duke, vice president for public policy of the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission.

    And what better way to demonstrate your commitment to “Ethics & Religious Liberty” than to support the continued persecution of individuals who choose to make use of an entheogenic plant?

    • claygooding says:

      I went to the Baptist Press homepage on FB and left them a nice little message,,it will probably be deleted.

      I put Genesis 29 up and asked them how they were going to explain to God how He was wrong not to exempt cannabis from verse 29.

      • War Vet says:

        Did you also remind them that marijuana prohibition is a form of ‘Pro-Choice’ as well? Baptists are supposed to be strict Pro-Lifers and drug prohibition is them choosing that Children and adults have the right to die from/for drug money violence just to keep a few people off drugs and off legal drugs. Did you also remind them that drug money funds the PLO and the rest who have attacked Israel and anyone willing to allow drug money in the hands of the terrorists are anti-Israel -and drug money kills Christians in places like Egypt, Africa, Burma etc (they must be anti-Christians for protecting laws designated for killing Christians). Jesus said not to harm the little Children. Clay, you need to buy those poor bums a bunch of rope and millstones -scripture requires it.

        • DdC says:

          Hey Vet,

          (Ps. 119:86) Jesus said,
          “Whatever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me.

          Did you also remind them that marijuana prohibition is a form of ‘Pro-Choice’ as well? Baptists are supposed to be strict Pro-Lifers

          PLINO’s Pro Life in Name Only…

          Wall Street’s Spontaneous Abortionists
          ☛Pro Life? Not even anti abortionists…
          ☛GOPerversion, another Prohibition! On Women…
          ☛GOP’s “A War on Women”

          According to the U.S. EPA, MSMA “can reasonably be anticipated to cause cancer in humans” and is converted in the environment to inorganic arsenic, a known human carcinogen. About 4 million pounds of MSMA is applied every year to golf courses and cotton fields in the United States to control weeds. The pesticide has been banned in India and Indonesia.

          Switching those bible belt SoBab cotton fields to hemp fields would improve: the quality of our soil, the durability of our clothes, the safety of our ground source water, the quality of our air, and the preservation of forests cut for paper (not to mention saving hundreds of thousands of lives prematurely ended by disease caused by pollution) In 1993, two hundred and fifty thousand tons of pesticides were used to grow cotton world-wide.

          and drug prohibition is them choosing that Children and adults have the right to die from/for drug money violence just to keep a few people off drugs and off legal drugs.

          SSDP ‏@SSDP
          Here Are All The People Who Have Died From A Marijuana Overdose
 via @HuffPostPol

          SSDP ‏@SSDP
          People Killed By The War On Drugs via @HuffPostPol

          TransformDrugPolicy ‏@TransformDrugs 8h
          Telegraph: The drugs bubble no one can burst: lots on harms, zero on how prohibition causes them

          Did you also remind them that drug money funds the PLO and the rest who have attacked Israel and anyone willing to allow drug money in the hands of the terrorists are anti-Israel

          I think the SoBabs give less than a shit about anyone except their own version of religion. A place where Catholics. Blacks and Jews getting equal billing.

          and drug money kills Christians in places like Egypt, Africa, Burma etc (they must be anti-Christians for protecting laws designated for killing Christians).

          I think to follow Jesus, you have to be anti Christian.

          Ancient Temple Hashish Incense! Did Jesus Inhale?


          The Indian vadas sang of Cannabis as one of the divine nectars, able to give man anything from good health and long life to visions of the gods. The Zend-Avesta of 600 B.C. mentions an intoxicating resin, and the Assyrians used Cannabis as an incense as early as the ninth century B.C..

          Knowledge and use of the intoxicating properties eventually spread to Asia Minor. Hemp was employed as an incense in Assyria in the first millennium B.C., suggesting its use as an inebriant.

          Folklore maintians that the use of Hemp was introduced to Persia during the reign of Khursu (A.D. 531-579), but it is known that the Assyrians used Hemp as an incense during the first millennium B.C..

          ☛ Clergy Speak Out Against the War on Drugs
          ☛ Cops & Clergy Condemn the War on Drugs
          ☛ LEAP Stumps the Drug Czar
          ☛ Marilyn Holsten RIP, She represented Jesus far better than the religionists.
          ☛ Cannabis and Longevity
          ☛ The Tree of Life…

          Kaneh Bosm: Cannabis in the Old Testament

          The word cannabis was generally thought to be of Scythian origin, but Benet showed that it has a much earlier origin in Semitic languages like Hebrew, and that it appears several times throughout the Old Testament. Benet explained that “in the original Hebrew text of the Old Testament there are references to hemp, both as incense, which was an integral part of religious celebration, and as an intoxicant

          Jesus said not to harm the little Children.

          Yea but then he died and the Christians took over. Always killing children from the Crusaders to giving their blessing over dropping napalm and Agent Orange in Vietnam. They finally got around to apologizing to the blacks in 1993, a little after they finally made spousal rape a crime federally. They follow Paul, who never met Jesus and wrote most of the bible. He even had a problem with long hair on men. Wonder what Jesus said about that? In other words they are lapdog suck ups and wouldn’t know Jesus if he lit a bong and blew it in their faces.

          Clay, you need to buy those poor bums a bunch of rope and millstones -scripture requires it.

          Another of the many uses of Hemp. You don’t have to bother buying them rope. Their family trees have nooses hanging from them.

          And the earth brought forth grass and herb yielding seed after its kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. (Genesis 1:12)

          God said, “Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

          Got Hemp?
          Cannabis Seeds:The Most Nutritionally Complete Food on the Planet

        • War Vet says:

          DdC, I’ve always believed the Jews had access and used cannabis and hemp based on the location of their nation and how they would have interacted and been influenced by the Egyptians, Babylonians, Persians, Phoenicians, Hittites, Greeks etc. And likewise, the early Christians would have used it also. And I doubt Jesus would have denied himself Cannabis/hash being his Father grew it. And if Jesus used it, I think he would have eaten it. To love thy neighbor would be giving him or her a brownie or vapor for their pain, instead of a pill. How can neurogenesis be a bad thing as well? God created us to get to know us and a plant that protects the brain helps us learn and learning gets us to know God.

        • DdC says:

          War Vet, I think its all semantics and “God”, works for me. Is alright by me. He doesn’t really work for me. The forefathers creator and Jefferson’s Bible are more clear in humanizing the works rather than the magical a+c=b-lievers. Honest, Trust me I’m infallible. Touch your TV and I’ll heal your Goiter! Just keep those SS checks rolling in. As clear as prohibition. Demonizing to prosper or the Church’s stake in prohibition the same as Caliphony rehabilitation asylums. Church’s rehabexorcisms covered by most insurance plans. (kidding…?) Find the key to please bargain out of mandatory minimum sentencing.With a mmj gag order, leaving only a jury nullification with a jury of your peers that usually don’t look or act too peerish. Or informed. Just another druggie. Lets waste school funding on incarcerating the junkie while bitching about funding aid for the homeless children. Ain’t that America, Home of the Freeeee Baaaby!

          All religion came from shaman’s inhaling or ingesting the plant spirit. Hallucinations fabricated Angels and Demons. The fashions of the church from cross to anointing oil is of man. Ganja or a 2000 year old tree producing oxygen Jesus breathed is more sacramental than candles and wafers. Everyone who advocates an end to this nonsense is more Holy than all of the hypocrites in robes or collars spouting more trauma and suffering.

          Oh ya. My religion is more geared to the tangible, even if it hasn’t been discovered. Ganja is a pleasant after dinner mint and I haven’t had a cold since 69 so I’d say it was an over reacting AMA, liberally over dosing kids with Penicillin creating some kind of immunity. Or Ganja preventing it and other ailments my abstaining peers are experiencing. OK so God or the unknown Laws of Physics on a subatomic level seems to be plausible for supernatural like occurrences. The quirtz? or before it was coined I thought of them as the particles in-between the atoms. A network of sub-frequencies or billi-voltages going around the “treatment’s” profits. So research is unfunded.

          Ganja amplifying cannabinoid transmitters and receptors could lead to many remedies outside of the AMA drug box. Money is the root of all evil and until profit is removed from societies needs, we will have needy people… and justification for the church to sell their treatments. The same as the Big Ag sells poisons and their brother Big Pharma sells white powders previously called poisons. While Ganja can be homegrown around the profits and the superficial oily Prophets selling dysfunction and remedies for it. As it’s been said. Natural vs Human inventions. Natural is alive, Humans kill it and make stuff to sell or use. The comforts are how we live but we have not been good stewards due to money. Now its worse than I’ve ever seen it. Greed factor through the roof. Gut the middle class and increase the cheap labor pools. Like our comfort required of third world countries we exploited. Feelin all peachy about us I reckon. For infrastructure crap making us sick enough to sell us synthetic remedies and GMO frankenfud to help keep it that way. We have a local or Bay Area Deli commercial about a pickle protesting a lack of attention for 40 years of service on every plate. They hold up a protest sign and shout We’re Not Bitter, We’re Dill! There’s a difference.

          The best religious lesson I learned was from a local cartoonist. I can’t find it online, or at his website. But it was a Native Island girl listening to an old rich white guy cowboy hat and cigar. Bragging about how America was the wealthiest place on earth. With all the comforts one would ever hope to find. He had all of this land and servants and toys. Just spouting off and not getting the typical amazement back. He poured it on and she quietly answered. It sounds wonderful I think I’ll visit someday. He dropped the cigar from his mouth in astonishment. Then in anger he scolded her that she was a poor island girl and it takes lots of money to get the things he spoke of. Then she totally shut him up by calmly and uncaringly saying. Well in that case I think I won’t visit. No big deal. No envy over what has never been. No hook to entice. No carrot on a stick that seems to govern society nowadays. I want to go to that island. I just have to figure out how to become a cartoon or keep it as a state of mind. So until Science builds better microscopes to find the vast universe of subatomic circuitry, I think all options are open. Meaning religionists and Atheists are drawing conclusions defying logic, and that means perpetuating ignorance.

      • Paul McClancy says:

        They’ll counter Genesis 29 is by citing Romans 15: 1-3

        “Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended.”

        Of course, Paul is NOT saying governments are allowed to be tyrannical to their heart’s desire. That’s what prohibition is.

        • DdC says:

          That’s how they justified slavery and lynching. One might think the south has evolved. But it seems they are devolving instead. Undoubtedly why Jesus wasn’t a Christian…

          If a ruler hearken to lies, all his servants are wicked.
          (Prov. 29:12)

          Nixon lied to schedule Ganja #1

          …or why the SoB’s would site Romans, the originators of Fascism.

          Paul was a Roman and a Sanhedrin if memory serves. He killed early Christians into martyrdom. I believe he only saw Jesus during a datura trip. Then like most converts… over zealousness to the point of being nothing Jesus proclaimed.

          Nothing in either the Bible or the U.S. Constitution says politicians can imprison those who follow their conscience and use cannabis in good faith.
          ~ Chris Conrad

          Timothy I Chapter 4 Verses 1-6

          4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

          4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

          4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

          4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

          4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

          4:6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.

          Then we also find they are not following God’s commandments by worshipping other gods such as kings and presidents. Or false idols such as drug czars or TV evangelists. Lies as a means to a profitable end sounds Christian enough, but not God’s commands. Using God’s name to perpetuate a war on our own people is a no no. Do the DEA not bust people on Sunday? Or do the DARE kids honor their mothers and fathers they put in a cage when their kids snitch. Murder is common in the drug war by cops and criminals. The 60-70 thousand in Mexico is blood on their hands. No scripture can wash away. Stealing in the name of confiscations and forfeitures. The drug worriers feeling blameworthy desire for (that which is another’s). Hating those who do find comfort. Especially when their own families are suffering while they turn their backs to giving them relief with Ganja. Even adultery just to make a drug bust. Or taken as adulterating God’s creations with synthetic products. So the SoB’s are willing to break the commandments just to further persecution of Ganja users. All for profits of corporations keeping competition at bay and drug worriers profits to lie, cheat and kill just to maintain their dysfunction’s. Heathens!

          Cannabis and the Christ: Jesus used Marijuana
          The ancient recipe for this anointing oil, recorded in the Old Testament book of Exodus (30: 22-23) included over nine pounds of flowering cannabis tops, Hebrew “kaneh-bosm” B, extracted into a hind (about 6.5 litres) of olive oil, along with a variety of other herbs and spices. The ancient chosen ones were literally drenched in this potent cannabis holy oil.

          Ancient Egyptian Medicine
          In Sickness and in Health: Preventative and Curative Health Care
          Frankincense , containing tetrahydrocannabinol and used like hashish as pain killer (e.g. pKahun 12 ), was imported from Punt.

          Dr Robert de Ropp, who wrote of an initiate’s experience with cannabis that “unlocked the doors of memory, a memory that can be as impersonal as the memory of the race, linking him to the great patterns of living forms, green plants and fungi, invertebrates and vertebrates.

          Cannabis is a true religion, springing from the instinctual recognition of cannabis as sacrament, as the Tree of Life.

          Sacramental Cannabis
          What is the Word of God concerning marijuana, or cannabis hemp?

  3. NorCalNative says:

    Are the feds surrendering? Or are they allowing the 10th amendment of the constitution to play out?

    The 10th amendment claims that laws NOT spelled out in the constitution are matters left to the states to decide.

    And, if we are to believe that the federal government ACTUALLY has the power then WHY haven’t they been able to stop ANY of the medical marijuana states from becoming medical marijuana states?

    According to the CATO Institute, when state laws and federal laws are in sync, then the feds get to rule. However, when federal laws are different than state laws, the STATES get to rule.

    Think what you will of the CATO Institute (Glenn Greenwald’s White Paper on Portugal’s experiment)but if the feds actually had the power that people seem to think they do, wouldn’t they have squashed California like a bug when it passed Prop 215 in 1996?

    We’re now at 20 Medical Marijuana states plus D.C..

    I’d bet my supply of Rick Simpson Oil that California will have legal recreational cannabis by 2016 at the latest!

    If the U.S. actually still considers the 10th amendment valid (Empire and all that) then I’m also curious what legal standing the U.N. single convention treaty is based on. If states have the right to legalize cannabis then it would seem that the U.N. treaty has little to do with it.

    Am I wrong here? It wouldn’t be the first time.

    • DdC says:

      Raich v Gonzales gives Feds Constitutional authority over riding the 10th amendment. Only over turning the bogus lies of the CSA will kick the Feds out of the party. As it stands states are limiting individuals amounts, except CA. So its a catch 22 forcing individuals to buy it against the Feds commerce jurisdiction. NO sales or larger than 100 plant grows are authorized by any state under Raich. Only ridding us of the CSA will authorize citizens to sell a silly plant. So individuals in CA can grow their own reasonable amounts if they don’t sell it or exchange it. Feds have also determined a reasonable amount as 300 joints every 25 days. But not under the bogus MMJ state laws limiting amounts. Never Trust a Nark!

      Catch 22²
      Patients Out of Time

  4. Jean Valjean says:

    The situation in Malta where an admission of having consumed cannabis results in a possession charge can be compared to practices in the United Arab Emirates. There a nanogram of cannabis residue in a urine or blood test is grounds for a possession charge, which can lead to several years in jail. Similarly a man was convicted of possession because a cannabis seed was found in the tread of his shoe after passing through an airport scanner designed to detect drugs…he was sentenced to two years if I remember correctly. Others have been convicted of possession because a urine test has shown positive to opiate residue after eating a poppy seed bagel. In some countries they are not just following the US lead in the drug war, but trying to outdo the US in terms of oppression. It’s a sad and sick legacy of the declining US empire.

    • Duncan20903 says:


      In China if someone calls the cops and says that you’ve been being naughty with cannabis they’ll drag your ass down to the police station and give you a whiz quiz.

      In Australia if you’re driving a car the cops can pull you over on a whim and test you for substances on the naughty list. They use an oral swab for cannabis which actually has a rather brief window for detection so drivers that test positive are probably still at least a little bit high. IIRC oral swabs for cannabis have a rather high percentage of false negatives.

    • Jean Valjean says:

      PS the man with the seed in his shoe tread was in fact sentenced to FOUR years in prison for something he almost certainly didn’t not even know about…

  5. Goblet says:

    “Dr.” Sabet is at it again in the CSM:

    7 Big Myths About Marijuana

    no comments of course….

    • CSM might be one of the very few places left where this guy has any credibility. CSM seems committed to prohibitionism.

    • frank w says:

      It got comments on Yahoo’s “neutral” ad-choked site. From what I saw of them they were dismissive but Yahoo news comment sections are like a sea of boiling dog vomit to read.

    • crut says:


      Sabet: …here are seven widely held myths

      Widely held by whom exactly? I’m looking around, and seemingly, the ONLY source of these myths I can find are him and delusional fringe supporters. Go on, keep putting words into other peoples mouths. What little shred of credibility you think you have is getting smaller by the second. The internet will not forget.

      I’m ready for this straw-man to die:

      1. Myth: Marijuana is harmless and non-addictive

      Who says this? Really. No… the statement being used by supporters is that it is “LESS HARMFUL” than alcohol. There is no such thing as harmless. Also, our statement is “LESS ADDICTIVE” than [insert substance here]. And besides, even IF it… wait, never mind, that line of logic is wasted on the closed mind.

      I’d go on, but it’s wasted energy. His insignificant power over the sheep is dwindling fast. The reviews of his book on Amazon are sufficient enough.

      • Howard says:

        “The reviews of his book on Amazon are sufficient enough.”

        Yikes! He’s getting smoked (pun intended). That’s got to hurt since he can’t turn off the Amazon reviews the same way he disables comments for his online articles.

        The positive reviewers are being called out since their 5 star reviews are the first reviews they’ve written for Amazon. Hmm, shills?

        And this guy will appear at Patrick Leahy’s marijuana policy hearing. Great choice Patrick, just first rate (end snark).

        • Duncan20903 says:


          Don’t get ahead of yourself Howard. Senator Leahy just might have the Sargent at Arms whack his pee-pee. Well, if he can find it anyway. I don’t think they’re allowed to use microscopes.

    • B. Snow says:

      No he’s just trying to promote his new book – with its stupid, pseudo-catchy title, “Reefer Sanity”…

      See, if it’s the opposite of “Reefer Madness” a (now) well-known ‘campy’, parody/satire, sex-ploitation, cult classic.
      Well then, Surely – this must be a reasonable accurate recounting, at least in
      – *[The World according to Kev]* – about “the truths of marihuana use“…

      (Note: turns out after some typing, and a thought = why don’t I just Google this? The Wikipeda entry for it – is now amazingly more accurate than it use to be.)

      *So, I’m gonna go read those Amazon reviews – I could really use a good laugh (or three) right about now.*

  6. DdC says:

    Medical Marijuana Folks Justifiably Scared
    Steve Sarich, a longtime medical marijuana firebrand, adds that patients in Washington are “justifiably scared” because of threats that state and federal law enforcement will go after any marijuana growing or selling that happens outside of the system created by I-502.

    Meanwhile, a more sanguine Muraco Kyashna-tocha, founder of the oldest medical marijuana dispensary in Washington, Green Buddha, thinks the state system will flood the market with cheap pot and run both medical marijuana growers and sellers out of town.

    What happens when cops write initiatives.

    Follow CA or Bust’

    Thou Dost Protest Too Much, Methinks

  7. Howard says:

    Since this is an open thread;

    “Polling data released today by the ACLU of Louisiana revealed that 53% of Louisiana voters supported regulating marijuana in a manner similar to the models approved last November in Colorado and Washington. Only 37% were opposed and 10% were not sure.”

    (pigs are flying, dogs are sleeping with cats, or something…)

    And I learned recently that an anonymous Californian is offering up to $100K in matching funds (through Texas NORML) to help the state of Texas (where I live) somehow become relevant in the cannabis law reform arena. The director of another cannabis law reform organization suggests the big push for changes in the Lone Star State will be 2017. Does it really have to take that long? Of course, that could have been a typo and he meant 2071. Ever hopeful for the former.

    Yes, the south is the toughest nut to crack. But maybe we won’t be the worst kind of lagging indicator. Just maybe.

    • claygooding says:

      I read an article in the El Paso paper about a Border Legislator Conference with border district legislators from Mex and TX meeting to discuss border problems,,marijuana legalization was one of the subjects to be discussed.
      I am sure that TX legislators will be feeling out the water on how serious Mexico is about legalizing weed.
      With CO on our north side and Mex on our south plus the AG handing a poisoned golden apple(poisoned until we see some laws changed)full of possible jobs and revenue we may see a stronger debate in Austin this year.

  8. Duncan20903 says:


    I weep for my Country when I see just how many people are clueless of how our system of dual sovereignty works and the powers of and interaction between the two sovereigns.

    It makes me just a little less sad that the people can’t identify political spin when it’s so bleeping obvious.

    • allan says:

      yeah… old Bob… he’s a pathological excrementalist and a war profiteer. To rebut his pap would need a sentence by sentence dissection, the whole thing is like some oozing slime of anti-truth. And I have to laugh every time I hear one of these prohibitions say we are well funded…

      Hardly. We scrape by year-to year on a few million bucks, against the $50 billion of the drug war juggernaut. We’re winning because of the fact we are legion. Straight up, no hyperbole… we are literally everywhere and they are a small cadre of entrenched and powerful… and extremely sick… people.

  9. Jack says:

    It amazes me when “religious liberty” is defined as the freedom to restrict others.

  10. strayan says:

    Nice short expose from Australian TV:

  11. DdC says:

    “Arbitrary and capricious” is legal language that was used by DEA Administrative Law Judge Francis Young in 1988 to conclude that DEA was obligated under the Controlled Substances Act to reschedule marijuana as a prescription medicine. DEA Chief Administrator Robert Bonner proceeded to arbitrarily and capriciously disregard Judge Young’s well researched and reasoned decision, which the Act allowed him to do.

    25 Years Ago:
    DEA’s Own Administrative Law Judge Ruled
    Cannabis Should Be Reclassified Under Federal Law
    NORML blog Sep 5 2013

    Aggressive California U.S. Attorney Says She’ll Keep Prosecuting On Marijuana
    By Nicole Flatow, Think Progress – Wednesday, September 4 2013

    U.S. Attorney Melinda Haag jpg Hagg?

    In the past few years, as some medical marijuana business people have been made into criminals in states with their own laws, no state has been more center stage than California.

    The state saw the first marijuana law, so the medical marijuana industry has had longer to develop. And crackdowns have been vigorous, particularly at the hands of U.S. Attorney Melinda Haag, who covers the Northern District of California.

    It is Haag who is pursuing seizure of two major Bay Area dispensaries that even the cities that host them have considered crucial to public health and defended in court. It is Haag who played a key role in the raid of a dispensary that was the model for a county program to police pot. And it is Haag who recently threatened some seemingly state-compliant dispensaries with as much as 40 years in jail. – Read the entire article at Think Progress.

  12. Servetus says:

    It’s essential to know that the seemingly idealic country on your vacation itinerary prosecutes thought crimes (I think, therefore I’m guilty?). Malta’s laws need a major reconstruction.

    Malta is a small island nation that’s been under the domination of the Catholic Church for centuries. St. Paul was shipwrecked on Malta, making it an Apostolic see. It was also the main residency of the Knights of Malta, AKA Knights Templar, AKA Templars, who came to be seen as dangerous competitors to Pope Clement and the Holy see, and who were subsequently prosecuted by the medieval Inquisition, with arrests occurring on a Friday 13, 1307 (hence the Friday 13th superstition). The original Templars were finally dissolved by 1312.

    Any country that prosecutes thought crimes is dangerous. I say we forget Syria. Invade Malta instead. Napolean invaded the island in 1798, and the benefits to Malta and the rest of humanity were enormous.

  13. claygooding says:

    “”The hearing entitled “Conflicts between State and Federal Marijuana Laws” originally scheduled before the Senate Committee on the Judiciary for Tuesday, September 10, 2013 will now begin at 2:30 p.m., rather than the previously scheduled time.””

    Panel I

    The Honorable James Cole
    Deputy Attorney General
    U.S. Department of Justice
    Washington, DC

    Panel II

    The Honorable John Urquhart
    King County Sheriff’s Office
    Seattle, WA

    Jack Finlaw
    Chief Legal Counsel
    Office of Governor John W. Hickenlooper
    Denver, CO

    Kevin A. Sabet, Ph.D.
    Co-founder and Director, Project SAM
    Director, Drug Policy Institute, University of Florida
    Cambridge, MA

    I guess our emails too Leahy fell on deaf ears.

    • Howard says:

      If there was a Panel III?

      Dr. Sanjay Gupta
      Michele Leonhart

      The other panels are a disappointment.

    • Howard says:

      And I forgot to ask, where is Ethan Nadelmann? Jeffery Miron?
      Paul Armentano? Lester Grinspoon? Anybody from LEAP? The list goes on and on.

      Anybody OTHER than Weasel Sabet?

      I was ready for full contact. This looks like badminton.

    • allan says:

      well, I’m gonna send him another asking why WE, the cannabis consumers, are not represented. It seems we have at least a small say in the matter.

    • B. Snow says:

      They should include Dr. Lester Grinspoon, who’s google search sidebar is impressive , as is his – personal history/’resume'(? or whatever the proper term is), his wikipedia entry is impressive.

      “Dr. Lester Grinspoon is Associate Professor Emeritus of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School. Grinspoon was senior psychiatrist at the Massachusetts Mental Health Center in Boston for 40 years. Dr. Grinspoon is a fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science and the American Psychiatric Association.
      He was founding editor of the The American Psychiatric Association Annual Review and the Harvard Mental Health Letter. Grinspoon was editor of the Harvard Mental Health Letter for fifteen years.”

      And beyond that if/when Dr. Gupta ever testifies at any point about believing DEA lies (and only learning the truth, later = firsthand).
      Well, then Dr. Grinspoon should IMHO absolutely be there too – as he had a similar experience with believing what he was told by the gov/prohibers & then learning the truth. (By way of personal experience, “marijuana helped his young son while he was dying from leukemia in the 1970s…” – followed by study.)

      Dr. Grinspoon became interested in marijuana in the 1960s when its use in the United States increased dramatically. He “had no doubt that it was a very harmful drug that was unfortunately being used by more and more foolish young people who would not listen to or could not believe or understand the warnings about its dangers.”
      When Grinspoon began studying marijuana in 1967, his intention was to “define scientifically the nature and degree of those dangers” but as he reviewed the existing literature on the subject Grinspoon reached the conclusion he and the general public had been misinformed and misled.
      “There was little empirical evidence to support my beliefs about the dangers of marijuana,” and he was convinced cannabis was much less harmful than he had believed.

      I suspect Dr. Grinspoon may have been one of the Jewish psychiatrists that Pres. Nixon notoriously maligned on tape on:
      May 26, 1971, Time: 10:03 am – 11:35 am — Oval Office Conversation: 505-4 — Meeting with Nixon and HR ‘Bob’ Haldeman

      RN: “Now, this is one thing I want. I want a Goddamn strong statement on marijuana. Can I get that out of this sonofabitching, uh, Domestic Council?”

      HRH: “Sure.”

      RN: “I mean one on marijuana that just tears the ass out of them. I see another thing in the news summary this morning about it. You know it’s a funny thing, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish. What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob, what is the matter with them? I suppose it’s because most of them are psychiatrists, you know, there’s so many, all the greatest psychiatrists are Jewish. By God we are going to hit the marijuana thing, and I want to hit it right square in the puss, I want to find a way of putting more on that. More [unintelligible] work with somebody else with this.”

      HRH: “Mm hmm, yep.”

      RN: “I want to hit it, against legalizing and all that sort of thing.”

      Dr. Grinspoon is a respected psychiatrist who could knock down most all of ‘Kev-Kev & friends’ crap about it leading to schizophrenia and whatever lies they’re trying to push this week…

      [To me – There is a great sense of irony here in that they both believed the “Facts” – until they were presented with personal, first-hand observations & evidence to the contrary. It was only when they went out and did the research on their own, they’ve both found & confirmed = that they *along with much of the general public* had been mislead for many years & and even several decades!]

      (Now, we can argue if that was/(is?) done out of malice or ignorance, or vested financial interests in keeping the ‘status quo’, or denying people a simple – inexpensive escape from their day-to-day struggles & problems…
      Folks that are easily contended, amused, entertained, don’t tend make the best low-wage workers = they want to expand their horizons & experiences, and just enjoy a simple life. striving for material possessions takes a backseat for many of them.)

      Thanks to the Internet+SocialMedia & CableTV – this can’t be *swept under a rug* for another 40 years, and IMHO/pardon my language — “this shit is gonna come to a head” -quick- probably before many older/conservative people realize its even happened! It’s probably best that way…

      *As a sidenote: Dr. Grinspoon basically predicted the vaporizer – or you could say he called for its invention, as the ‘smoke’ was for many years the “nope it can’t be medical” – coffin-nail… And MMJ via vaporizer, well that pretty much throws out the “previous go to excuse” against MMJ being used as -a real thing- and people need not wait for Sativex and the like to be developed one cannabinoid at a time, so BigPharma can kindly charge us out the ass – for each of their “new” FDA approved “pharmaceuticals”!*

      • DdC says:

        There has been more research and testimony on the benefits of cannabis than anything. This is yet another attempt to circumvent the lies of Nixon rejecting his own commission report. A report that re-evaluated other cannabis reports back to the Indian hemp Commission. Same re-evaluation the IOM did in 99 that’s still sitting in the HHS before the FDA will even consider testing it. Stalls, lies, diversions, intimidation, coercion, kidnapping and murder for profits is why. Leahy is pushing popular causes knowing it has no chance getting past the drug worriers of Wall St. A bipartisan effort. Leahy is a dead head one day and censoring the internet with frankenfeinstein the next. Now he wants more testimony and we all see it’s not a level playing field. Anymore than Holders new old news that isn’t news. Arbitrary prosecution is what the law is and they don’t invoke compassion as it is. Now Holder says its ok these ladder climbers are going to go against personal political interest? Right alongside Wall St welcoming more safer products to buy instead of their fossil fool crap? When pigs drive convertibles, they’re selling something. At least the conversation is taking place on mandatory minimums the NRA sponsored and cutting funds to Mexican narko’s. Colombia doesn’t make headlines. We’re still subsidizing FARC Paramilitary and the Cartels are building hospitals and feeding the people.

        So now this attempt to appease the pseudo liberals with a stacked deck of cards. Sabet-age for keyrist sakes? No bias there? Leahy is a politician first, concerned citizen last. A politician is one who has mastered the art of compromise. But they are compromising with lies, making it a compromise with sanity, leaving insanity as an agreeable conclusion. The only sane logical consideration is to remove cannabis in any form from the CSA or put scientific integrity in the garbage with sovereignty and compassion. Enough! Overturn the GD Substance Control Ax. Incrementalism is low fat prohibition lite, still a ConPromise that keeps the cages paying wages and profits with tax bucks Norquest never mentions. The DEAth Merchants selling the war to the people through their subsidiary MSM propagandists is getting way beyond obvious, crossing into insulting intelligences. Appeasing and Patronizing are not Truth or Science of truth. The Laws of Physics are the truth. People suck and can not be trusted without verification. Tax eating NIDA and the DEA are shielded as paramilitary groups doing the dirty work, but leaving no finger prints or accountability.

        So now we get scummy liars and Academian nuts learning from censored school books becoming excerpts in their fields. Of gossip. Growing wild without shame or remorse. They lie. They express drama in every sentence and they lie. They threaten and punish opposition to their lies. Ganjay Supta finally got the message many teenagers got in the 60’s and he was the first choice for Surgeon General. If the roots are poison, so be the fruit. Spraying it with wax doesn’t change the content. Its poison. Nothing to debate. Remove it from the CSA or loose authority and respect and be known as a bumbling clown. Only flaw is breeding enormous herds of subordinate bumbling clowns. Ah, maybe that’s why they lie and say such dumb stuff without blinking. Keep it so stupid, only the very stupid will get it. Instead of segregation by the elite placing obstacles to keep out the riff raft.

        Nixon, Boosh/Rayguns and their demons invented dumbing down, making Bill Bennett as the Education Secretary/Drug Czar censoring hemp from school books for the message it might send the kids. (lost 8 mil in slot machines, wrote a book on virtues) Riding with his side kick John Walters, then Klintoon and Junior perpetuated it bastardizing the Higher Education Act or enacting the Patriot Ax. Then Fox and the alphabet channels have sealed the deal as witnessed by the inbedwith Iraq bullshit. Just say NO. Why? I don’t know. Drugs are bad except for the ones on every corner in stores and advertised on TV every 20 minutes. The war on drugs was better than the war not on drugs some have said. Peace is better yet, regardless of drugs. All we are saying is give Peace a chance, No laws on Ganja or Hemp.

        Dr. Lester Grinspoon

        Benefits of Marijuana : Grinspoon Speech in Washington DC

        Drug Wars: Menace to America by Tod Mikuriya, M.D
        The Other War by Tod H. Mikuriya, MD
        Safe Use of Cannabis” by Tod H. Mikuriya, M.D.
        Dependency and Cannabis
        Medicinal Uses of Cannabis

  14. Duncan20903 says:


    This one is from the “et tu Brute?” category:
    John McCain On Marijuana: ‘Maybe We Should Legalize’

    I’m not sure we could stop this even if we wanted to. Poor, poor, pitiful prohibitionist parasites. It’s still not too late to move to Singapore. Don’t let the door…well, you know.

    • Jean Valjean says:

      John McCain’s reversion to pre-2003 thinking on the Syria war runs parallel with his attitude over the years to the drug war. Now he he’s too fuddled to know what to think. Ron Paul nicely skewers him:

      “The moral outrage evoked to provide a rational cover for the compulsion-to-intervene (“We cannot allow the use of poisonous gas on civil population!”) is fake. Faced with a weird ethics that justifies taking the side of one fundamentalist-criminal group against another, one cannot but sympathise with Ron Paul’s reaction to John McCain’s advocacy of strong intervention: “With politicians like these, who needs terrorists?”

      • Duncan20903 says:

        So do you want me to write him a letter and tell him to piss off?

        • Jean Valjean says:

          I might have time for John McCain when he apologizes for his previous life as a drug warrior. Here he is in 2000 for instance:
          “Of the four major candidates, McCain has expressed the most hawkish positions on drug policy. He wants to increas penalties for selling drugs, supports the death penalty for drug kingpins, favors tightening security to stop the flow of drugs into the country, and wants to restrict availability of methadone for heroin addicts. He said the Clinton administration was “AWOL on the war on drugs” and he would push for more money and military assistance to drug-supplying nations such as Colombia.”

        • B. Snow says:

          He often doesn’t know what he said last week – much less in 2000. And, I suspect he was trying to parrot Newt Gingrich – or whoever they both stole that ‘talking-point’ from… They both Talked about Death sentences for “drug king-pins”.

          It was brought up a number of times – when people were saying Clinton was involved with the “Allegations of CIA drug trafficking” and the “Mena Intermountain Municipal Airport” in Arkansas.

          This was one – among many other times – that similar conspiracies were discussed, often more connected to political smearing of big-name politicians, rather than any real concerns about the possible truth of such activity taking place.

        • Windy says:

          Jean, McCain’s a total warmonger for a whole lot more than the “drug war” and (thankfully) his constituents have just taken him seriously to task at a townhall meeting over his beating the war drums against Syria (ah … it was a lovely thing to watch on video).

  15. thelbert says:

    here’s a “christian” who thinks the works of man can cure his fist sized esophageal tumor: eighty some years old and he wants to delay going to heaven. can’t wait to see how this turns out.

  16. DdC says:

    Poll: Majority Of Americans Approve Of Sending Congress To Syria
    News • Syria • News • ISSUE 49•36 • Sep 5, 2013

    • Plant Down Babylon says:

      I love the Onion. They should send most of the whitehouse staff as well as obummer too.

      Funny how quick their opinions would change.

    • claygooding says:

      That would give us the chance to finally get some of those old goats out of office,,if the desert didn’t kill them they would be so slow surely a lucky shot would get some of them.
      Add Sabet,Christie and everyone that signed that letter from the prohibs to the AG and you would have an army that losing would be a win.

    • Freeman says:

      Great article! My favorite line:
      When asked if they believe that Sen. Rand Paul should be deployed to Syria, 100 percent of respondents said yes.

      • Windy says:

        I would disagree with that, had I been part of that poll it would NOT have been 100% for Rand Paul; he’s not his father but he’s better than most, though not as good as Justin Amash, and he does oppose this proposed strike on Syria.

    • allan says:

      If it’s the kind of thing that floats you’re boat, go read Maria Sandoz’ Crazy Horse it’s a beautifully written work and a telling cultural difference comes when a war/raid party went out…

      … the only warriors that went were the ones that wanted to go…

      … so yes, let the politicians lead the way! And they can ask for volunteers. They’ll find they’re marching pretty much alone.

      And as it is an open thread… why is it that yes, another nation-leading butthead is killing people w/ horrific weaponry. And?

      20,000 children die every day from lack of food and clean water. What are they? Where’s the outrage for them?

      If the world of man was a bar? I’d be lookin’ around nonchalantly for the exits… and headin’ that way.

    • Windy says:

      As I posted when I shared that on FB the other day, “Unlike most Onion articles, this one is true.”

      And I’ve been saying for years that any member of congress who votes to go to war against anyone should immediately enlist in the military and go fight it themselves along with the president who asks congress for a declaration of war.

      • primus says:

        If you’re not prepared to have your own face blown off, don’t ask me to send my sons to get theirs blown off in your place.

        • Windy says:

          Yep, apparently the last time any ruler went to war with his men (Washington was not yet a president when he went to war in the Revolution) was King Richard III. I seriously think that is a tradition which should have been kept, not discarded.

  17. DdC says:

    Here Are All The People Who Have Died From A Marijuana Overdose via @HuffPostPol

    People Killed By The War On Drugs via @HuffPostPol

    TransformDrugPolicy ‏@TransformDrugs 8h
    Telegraph: The drugs bubble no one can burst: lots on harms, zero on how prohibition causes them

    TransformDrugPolicy ‏@TransformDrugs 1h
    Drug policy reform in Latin America (pdf): detailed analysis in new @IDPCnet briefing paper

    TransformDrugPolicy ‏@TransformDrugs 8h
    Marijuana, Sex and Amsterdam: Anti-prohibitionist economist Jeffrey Miron on his Dutch holiday

  18. Tony Aroma says:

    If the US were like Malta, our current and previous two presidents would be in jail.

    • claygooding says:

      I think every president since Kennedy should have walked out of the Whitehouse into the big house,,for life

      • claygooding says:

        Except maybe Carter,,I can’t really recall anything corrupted about Carter,,,but I can’t seem to recall anything positive except when he made that speech about making drug crime sentences match the harms the drug does too society,,meaning marijuana should be decriminalized,,of course that was the end of his political career right there because the press of the day made him look like a hick farmer from then on and the prohibition machine called him soft on crime ,,IIRC.

        • B. Snow says:

          Well, there was that thing with the hostages in Iran, and the Mission to get them that failed – due to a helicopter crash – related to the difficulty of flying helos in desert sandstorms or something? (IIRC, I was about 5 yrs old at the time…)

          And the Iranians waited until after Reagan won the election and was sworn in as President before they released them = a mean it was like 20 mins after he was sworn into office.
          IDK, why they (seemingly) had such ‘political wood’ for Reagan and/or George H.W. Bush, but regardless of why they waited – its been generally accepted that they did it for some reason related to hating Carter or loving Reagan.
          The conspiracy theories are about WHY it happened that way not IF it was done for some reason.

          The idea that it was somehow *merely coincidental* – isn’t normally argued… as if they waited 444 days to release them, due to some unknown significance of the number 444 that’s unknown to history.

          Example: Maybe they liked so much Reagan because he publicly ‘hated-on’ hippies, gays, and poor people as much as Nixon? Or, they just loved his non-factual “welfare queen” schtick, One that turned out to be horribly inflated:

          During his 1976 presidential campaign, Reagan would tell the story of a woman from Chicago’s South Side who was arrested for welfare fraud:

          “She has eighty names, thirty addresses, twelve Social Security cards and is collecting veteran’s benefits on four non-existing deceased husbands. And she is collecting Social Security on her cards. She’s got Medicaid, getting food stamps, and she is collecting welfare under each of her names. Her tax-free cash income is over $150,000.”[4]

          Critics Paul Krugman and Mark J. Green have argued that the story grossly exaggerates minor cases of welfare fraud,[5][6]

          Reagan’s use of the term was related to a growing unease among New Right politicians about the expansion of the welfare apparatus. Touching on the cornerstones of American political philosophy (individualism and egalitarianism), the New Right sought to form a top-down coalition with big business and white working-class voters to undo the popular Great Society programs of the 1960s.[3]

          In response to Reagan’s use of the term, Susan Douglas, a professor of communication studies at the University of Michigan, writes:

          “He specialized in the exaggerated, outrageous tale that was almost always unsubstantiated, usually false, yet so sensational that it merited repeated recounting… And because his ‘examples’ of welfare queens drew on existing stereotypes of welfare cheats and resonated with news stories about welfare fraud, they did indeed gain real traction.”[1]

          The Washington Post reported that Linda Taylor, to whom Reagan was referring, was “known as the Welfare Queen, for she is credited with taking in more than $150,000 a year in welfare benefits…[police detectives allege that she] had at least 26 aliases, with identifications to match; was listed at more than a score of telephone numbers; could show her address at more than 30 locations in and around Chicago; owned a portfolio of stocks and bonds under various names and a garage full of autos, including a Cadillac, Lincoln and a Chevy wagon; had three Social Security cards; was wed to several husbands who had died; had recently wed a 21-year-old sailor at a nearby naval training center; and was about to leave on a Hawaiian vacation.” [7]

          Linda Taylor was ultimately charged with committing $8,000 in fraud and having four aliases.[8] She was convicted of illegally obtaining 23 welfare checks using two aliases.[9] She was sentenced to two to six years in prison.[10]

          But there were a ton of people that never questioned it = they believed him, I grew up hearing people talk about this sorta thing – people being on welfare/food stamps, and driving Cadillacs (OMG! people have cars), Unmarried and but still having more & more kids to collect X-hundred dollars a month more for each one…

          In recent years, its “Obama Phones” & whatever crap “Fox & Friends” told them about ‘people living off welfare & food stamps instead of working’ = the last time they were half-listening to the hate-speech news channel.
          I’ve known people receiving those benefits and they weren’t living that way by choice – you can’t live off those programs. with some additional money from something like: child support, spousal support, disability, legal settlements, or whatever people can ‘get by’ but its not easy or pretty, its ugly and sad.

          And the people I know that smack about these folks – wouldn’t walk thru the places where they have to live, much less live there, or even drive threw those parts of town(s) unless they were being chased by fast-moving zombies!

          More on topic (Sorry), There was the thing = with Peter Bourne being “caught using a false name to prescribe sedatives to a White House colleague”, then Keith Stroup’s spiteful/colossal fuck-up,
          = “Within 36 hours after this revelation, National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML) director Keith Stroup leaked a story to reporter Jack Anderson that Bourne had attended a party at Stroup’s house where Bourne snorted cocaine. The event was a NORML Christmas party in 1977 with Hunter S. Thompson and David Kennedy in attendance. After this revelation, Bourne resigned…”

          Yeah, He pretty much ‘dropped a turd in the punchbowl’ -simultaneously- for every stoner in the country, that was a really ‘sad state of affairs’ – as it were, again I was very young at the time – so 35 or so years later – we’re still waiting for the fallout from that to “blow over” – (pun intended).

        • DdC says:

          Linda Taylor the welfare queen?
          Isn’t our troll narko Linda Taylor?

          26 U.S. Companies Not Paying Federal Income Tax

          Strong corporate profits amid weak economy =
          Outsourcing… D’oH!

          Corporate Welfare Rats

          Rayguns was a puppet to Bush. A “B” actor and a “C-” president. His acting was better than most politicians. He was Joe McCarthy’s side kick and behind much of the blackballing in horrywood. Rayguns is a piece of shit with mold. Bush and his lifelong CIA affiliation brought down the rescue choppers loosing the election for peanut boy and his brother Billy the swiftboaters adopted. Did I mention Raygun sucks.

          Reagans 100th birthday
          ☛ The Reagans Speak Out On Drugs
          ☛ Dr. Heath/Tulane Study, 1974
          ☛ The Hype: Brain Damage and Dead Monkeys
          ☛ The Facts: Suffocation of Research Animals
          ☛ Lies Our Drug Warriors Told Us

          Raygunz legacy of Family Values, Patti and Michael…
          ☛ Patti Reagan
          ☛ Michael Reagan Rips Half-Brother Ron
          Over Book and Alzheimer’s Claim

          ☛ Alzheimer’s Research Can No Longer Be Sidelined
          ☛ Alzheimers &Cannabis 03/13/08
          ☛ Alzforum Website – Marijuana Posted 2 May 2001
          ☛ High Times for Alzheimers By Sophie Petit-Zeman
          ☛ Marijuana may block Alzheimer’s
          ☛ Marijuana May Spur New Brain Cells
          ☛ Marijuana Compound Spurs Brain Cell Growth
          ☛ Cannabis Prevents Brain Damage (Thread)

          ☛ The Altered States of America
          ☛ The red scare: mccarthyism
          ☛ Searching for Ronald Reagan, the GOP brings home Joe McCarthy
          ☛ McCarthyism in 1950s America
          ☛ Sen. Joseph McCarthy: Unrepentant Junkie
          ☛ Ronald Reagan,
          Testimony Before the House Un-American Activities Committee (1947)

          ….We have seen the character of private citizens and of Government employees virtually destroyed by public condemnation on the basis of gossip, distortion, hearsay, and deliberate untruths…..The spectacle is one we would expect in a totalitarian nation where the rights of the individual are crushed beneath the juggernaut of statism and oppression; it has no place in America where government exists to serve our people, not destroy them.”
          ~ The Tydings Committee Report on McCarthy’s Charges(1950).

          ☛ U.S. Lawmakers consider ‘Piss Tasting Grity Act
          ☛ Marijuana Testing State Services Applicants: It’s Just Wrong!
          ☛ One In Five High Schools Piss Taste Students 9.29.8
          ☛ Fascists Piss Tasters
          ☛ Pissing on Drug Warrior Graves

          “Hath my master sent me to thy master and to thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?”
          ~ Isaiah 36:12

          ☛ Signs of Sickness and D.E.Ath
          ☛ Jonathan Magbie

          “His primary achievement has been in confusing the public mind . . . We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason. if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men — not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate and to defend causes that were, for the moment, unpopular.”
          ~ Edward R. Murrow

          ☛ Bush’s Faustian Deal With the Taliban
          ☛ Poverty? Dubya Says Blame the Hippies!
          ☛ Bush Crimes Against Humanity
          ☛ Anslinger-Bush-Hearst-Nixon-Hitler-Nalepka Déjà vu
          ☛ GOPerverts ARE the Oligarchy

          ☛ AWOL Bush
          ☛ The Enron, Bush, Baker, Rockefeller connection
          ☛ Sympathy for the Devil
          ☛ Bush Crime Family & LINX
          ☛ Bush. Religious drug treatment in Texas

          ☛ George Bush: Chapter -XV- CIA DIRECTOR
          ☛ Drug Kingpin George Bush Press Conference
          ☛ George Bush Crack Kingpin of the 80’s links
          ☛ George Bush does not deserve an honourary degree!
          ☛ Bush CIA

          ☛ CONFIRMED: Dubya not allowed into Canada
          ☛ DUBYA’s Driving Record
          ☛ 3 strikes and your out Mr Bush!
          ☛ Looking behind the Bushes
          ☛ Reefer Madness,Anslinger,Hearst,Bayer,Farben II,Demonization

          ☛ I.G.Farben,Dupont,Ford,Hearst,Frankenfoods,Prohibition
          ☛ Same buSHT Different Day! Just Say No to Walters/Thugczar!
          ☛ Bush Cabal Hides Patriot II Police State
          ☛ Busht Hypocrisy & Double Standards
          ☛ realchange[Bush Jr.’s Skeleton Closet

          ☛ bushandcheneysuck
          ☛ Busht: Timeline of Treason
          ☛ Bushladen and the Terrorists Carlyles Groups
          ☛ Bush Announces Tougher Line on Cuba
          ☛ Bush Family History with Nazism

          ☛ GW Bush Has Executed 131 Inmates
          ☛ Bush/CIA/DEA Drug Smuggling
          ☛ GWBush Cocaine Cowboy 1 year gap in Bush’s Guard
          ☛ Bushit or Sadamn? Flip a Coin

          ☛ Bush/Quayle/Lilly Pharmaceutical Sellout!
          ☛ Fellow Conservatives: Our Position Is Hypocritical
          ☛ ACTION ALERT::: Jeb Bush Fungus/Life of a Drug Lord
          ☛ Other Bush Parodies or Informative sites:
          ☛ GWBush Art
          ☛ Unauthorized Bush(Sr.) Bio

          ☛ Bush is the Antichrist (with a well-reasoned argument)
          ☛ The Bush Body Count
          ☛ Another “questionable” Bush site

          ☛ TrimnBush2Shrub
          ☛ The Serial President
          ☛ Canada’s Supremes Cower Under DEAth Threats

          “If the people knew what we had done,
          they would chase us down the street and lynch us.”
          ~ George H.W. Bush to journalist Sarah McClendon

          Nixon Threads
          ☛ Nixon lied to schedule Ganja #1
          ☛ While Nixon Campaigned, FBI Watched John Lennon
          ☛ R.I.P. John Lennon
          ☛ Nixon’s Drug War – Re-Inventing Jim Crow, Targeting The Counter Culture
          ☛ Nixon’s Treason

          ☛ Shafer Commission Report on Marijuana and Drugs
          ☛ When leaders act contrary to conscience
          ☛ Nixon Lie Keeps on Killing…
          ☛ Anslinger-Bush-Hearst-Nixon-Hitler-Nalepka Déjà vu
          ☛ Nixon’s 40 Year War On Drugs… Drugs Won!
          ☛ AMA Calls For Ending Nixon’s Lie?

          ☛ nixon lied.jpg
          ☛ nixon shredder.jpg

          “You know, it’s a funny thing, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish. What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob?

          “You’re enough of a pro,” Nixon tells Shafer, “to know that for you to come out with something that would run counter to what the Congress feels and what the country feels, and what we’re planning to do, would make your commission just look bad as hell.”
          – Richard Milhouse Nixon

          “Marijuana does not lead to physical dependency, although some evidence indicates that the heavy, long-term users may develop a psychological dependence on the drug”
          The Shafer Commission of 1970

  19. Freeman says:

    Balko highlights the ACLU report: The War on Marijuana in Black and White. Good information.

  20. thelbert says:

    i’m thinking the baptists are absolutely correct. obama’s mouthpiece legalized marijuana when he surrendered to the hippy hoi polloi. from now on i will consider cannabis just as legal as it was in john the baptist’s day.

    • Duncan20903 says:


      I often think of the stark raving irony of how the Christian religion was criminalized for the first few centuries immediately subsequent to the alleged death of Jesus Christ. Those religionists wouldn’t even have a religion if their predecessors hadn’t been willing to break the law..

  21. allan says:

    hey all, my friend Jim Greig (‘i’ before ‘e’ except after ‘r’) has a very nice oped in today’s local cage-liner, it could use a hand in comments:

    Finally, recognition of cannabis’ medical value

  22. Paul McClancy says:

    Regarding the Baptist piece and having grown up in a religious setting, I can attest that most Christians will cite Galatians 5:20 as a defense for drug prohibition. Basically, the word pharmakiea roughly translates to sorcery and in those days a witch doctor would use hallucinogenic substances as part of their craft. Therefore, Christians are suppose to avoid illicit drugs because it is associated with sorcery. Now there’s one problem (okay MANY PROBLEMS) with this interpretation; the origins of this idea came from Strong’s Concordance sound the late 19th and early 20th century. In other words the entire of pharmakiea = illicit drugs is a recent development not found by any early church father.

    I’m serious and challenge anyone to find me an earlier teaching on this verse pointing to drug use. Lastly, I am we’ll aware this isn’t the only verse that can be used, but that’s another topic…

    • Do any such ‘Christians’ use Galatians 5:20 against pharmaceuticals?

      Whatever happened to the Book of Genesis about using the herbs of the earth- if anything the Bible is warning us against artificially concentrated derivatives?

      • claygooding says:

        Prohibition is man-made,,cannabis is God-made,,it requires no help,distillation or added ingredients to do what it does,,the same as shrooms,peyote,the poppy and numerous other drugs from around the world,,natures drugs that the government has spent three trillion dollars banning while they subsidized the pharmaceutical companies to fill our medicine cabinets full of enough poisons to end mankind.
        It is only after man tries to tweak natures drugs that they become more dangerous. Look what the did to wheat and corn creating drugs.

    • N.T. Greene says:

      I don’t remember the Bible referencing witch doctors at any point.

      Seems like a stretch to me to call naturally occurring plants witchcraft anyways. A Golden Gate Bridge sized stretch.

      But hey, they drank wine in the Bible, so that’s Okay, right? And yet it was religious groups who would later seek to ban alcohol… in non religious settings of course.

      Being raised Roman Catholic, I have seen a fair share of insanity, and that’s the problem that arises when you mix religion with secular policy. The results are, in a word, insane. See also: ineffective.

  23. Bored in Dallas says:

    I look at this site every few months and it’s always the same. One guy saying the same thing over and over, and bunch of other guys saying over and over that they agree. BORING. Get some diversity, get some other bloggers, get some new ideas (Hint: Anyone who isn’t an angry white guy would be a start)

    • claygooding says:

      Feel free to contribute something besides criticism,,perhaps you missed the reason we hang out on the couch,,it is somewhere to hang between bombing missions on prohibition propaganda news articles for a lot of us,,it is also a place to fine tune your diatribe to keep it fresh and updated for some but it is mostly a bunch of angry white guys angered because the black community fails to see the racism of the war on drugs because they fear the drugs so much they “run from the cure”.
      A majority of blacks live in the neighborhoods where drive-by shootings and street dealers control zones,they are so deep in the forest they can’t see that legalization and a controlled market will accomplish what trillions of dollars,millions of destroyed young blacks lives and hundreds of thousands of slaughtered innocents around the world will fail too control.
      Other than that,,we got nothing better to do,,what do you do in your spare time to end prohibition?

    • N.T. Greene says:

      Not all of us are angry. Well, not all the time at least.

      But feel free to come back when you have an argument of some sort that isn’t an ad hominem attack.

      We have sharp eyes here.

    • darkcycle says:

      Maybe you should just write us off and not come back. BTW, are you LOOKING through the little camera? No, You are just trolling.

    • allan says:

      he used the wrong moniker… should be Boring in Dallas. I mean seriously, like what, were we supposed to say, “ouch! Dang Vern, that were a good one!” and crawl away, never to return?

      Zippy isn’t the only pinhead.

    • Plant Down Babylon says:

      I’d give him a thumbs down, but i don’t want his stupid comment to disappear.

    • 21st Century Schizoid Man says:


      You forgot to make your name into a link. You’re just not going to sell very much spam if you don’t remember to make your screen name into a link.

      Yeah this site is all talk…

      Talk, it’s only talk
      Arguments, agreements, advice, answers
      Articulate announcements
      It’s only talk

      Talk, it’s only talk
      Babble, burble, banter, bicker, bicker, bicker
      Brouhaha, boulderdash, ballyhoo
      It’s only talk, back talk

      Talk, talk, talk, it’s only talk
      Comments, cliches, commentary, controversy
      Chatter, chit-chat, chit-chat, chit-chat
      Conversation, contradiction, criticism
      It’s only talk, cheap talk

      Talk, talk, it’s only talk
      Debates, discussions
      These are words with a D this time
      Dialogue, dualogue, diatribe, dissention
      Declamation, double talk, double talk

      Talk, talk, it’s all talk
      Too much talk, small talk
      Talk that trash, expressions, editorials
      Explanations, exclamations, enfadulations
      It’s all talk, elephant talk, elephant talk, elephant talk

      (King Crimson – Elephant Talk Lyrics)

  24. Jean Valjean says:

    Sanjay Gupta’s conversion is described in this article on Alternet and spot the great example of Francis’s Law:

    “Scientific and clinical investigations underscore CBD’s potential as a treatment for a wide range of conditions, including chronic pain, schizophrenia, PTSD, diabetes, multiple sclerosis, and antibiotic-resistant infections.”

    After years trying to convince us that cannabis caused schizophrenia, it now transpires that it actually cures it.

    And Bored of Dallas, how do you know what color people are on this site? I think you’re being racist. And if you are in fact bored, try contributing something yourself,,, it may help!

    • strayan says:

      Sabet heads an astroturf organization called Smart Approaches to Marijuana (SAM). He’s an inveterate anti-marijuana bigot and a drug war careerist who is addicted to stigmatizing the plant and those who use it.

      Ahhhhh. Kev-Kev getting the love he deserves.

    • N.T. Greene says:

      I would make a “he’s from Dallas, come on” joke here, but that would be underhanded and way too easy.

      Regardless, last time I checked, not all of us are old (I’m 25), and not all of us are white. And we certainly aren’t stupid. Though I butcher my quality English with colloquialisms in my comments, I have two college degrees in English and will soon enough be pursuing a third.

      Someone has to teach people, or rather challenge them, to think outside of predetermined boxes. Having studied texts from all corners of the world throughout much of recorded history… well, I would like to think I have some insight into things, if limited. I take nothing at face value, because what’s beneath is just way too interesting by comparison. That’s my problem, and some people might have noticed this before. I have ADD, and perhaps that’s part of it; the real problem is that I have an unyielding desire to deconstruct and understand whatever I may encounter. I have strong morals that I’ve arrived at in a way Dabrowski might have been proud to see. The problem others have with me is that usual defenses don’t work. You can attack our character, sure, but we, and certainly I, will return fire with reasoned arguments ten times out of ten.

      Clearly I haven’t gotten enough sleep as of late. I’m stuck working nights and taking care of my young daughter, who when she’s old enough will hear many truths our culture and our world seek to deny. The problem closed minded people have with the open minded is simple, as I see it: they totally lack the capacity to understand them.

      Sorry to rant in an unrelated comment, guys. I’m running on like three hours of sleep and dealing with a crying baby all day really rattles the nerves.

      “Look, the people you are after are the people you depend on: we cook your meals, we haul your trash, we connect your calls, we drive your ambulances, we guard you while you sleep. Do not fuck with us.”

      • darkcycle says:

        Ten out of ten times. Well, nine out of ten for me, anyway. Sometimes I just can’t resist the gratuitous smack-down.
        And the crying baby…N.T….I feel ya. Got one of those myself…

    • Duncan20903 says:


      For the most part I’m light pink. But sometimes I feel green, and other times purple. Just a few minutes ago I was crimson. I really wish I’d lived in 1910, when everything was black and white, all these damned colors distract me, I just can’t seem to get them right.

  25. primus says:

    Well, Mr. BID, I guess you have no appreciation for this site, so kindly fuck off.

  26. King County Sheriff John Urquhart says he is going to bring up the banking laws that make selling marijuana a cash only business. If the Committee can find a way to fix that, and find a way to put a leash on the DEA and the local prosecution minions things might really get a bit better. Best suggestion: just legalize it now.

    • New US Policy Won’t Ease Marijuana Dispensaries’ Banking Woes –

      • DdC says:

        They still make me dizzy.
        Feds Say They Will Go Easy on Banks
        CN: By April M. Short September 01, 2013 AlterNet
        Washington, D.C. —
        During the groundbreaking phone call on Thursday, August 29 in which U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder told the governors of Colorado and Washington the federal government would not attempt to intercept regulated legal marijuana in their states, he also said the Department of Justice (DOJ) is “actively considering” how to oversee the relationship between banks and marijuana shops. According to the Huffington Post, Holder told the governors as long as marijuana shops “operate within state laws and don’t violate other federal law enforcement priorities” the DOJ is looking to regulate those interactions as legal. continued

        US WA: 502 Wins. Does Medical Pot Lose?
        MapINC Recent Media Headlines Sep 5 2013

  27. N.T. Greene says:

    I know I’m late to the party, but that AMA was bloody hilarious. I don’t always pay attention to Russ Belville, but he actually picked that guy apart with no return fire.

    It was a fun ninety minutes.

  28. darkcycle says:

    Day one of the Cannabis Cup/West out of the way (I’m not going to the concert and the party, I have to be back tomorrow all day).
    Walking around this year showed just how hollow the canard “People don’t want medical marijuana, they just want to get stoned.” is. The biggest things at the Cup this year are high CBD strains and edibles. Tinctures, Gums (I picked up some CBD chewing gum myself), concentrates, flowers….all with little or no ability to get you high. No buzz, that is what the buzz is.
    I hate Mark Kleiman et al. All those heartless bastards who want to deny this important medicine to the people.
    Anybody who denies the medicinal benefits should see the HORDES of people coming out to get cannabis products that don’t put you on the couch with a bag of Oreos.

    • allan says:

      every time I swing deep into the medical community and see what all is happening, it’s phenomenal. Grassroots science. The proof is in the pudding (or the budding!).

      One point I often make and this seems a good spot to reiterate it…

      One of our biggest advantages is that we have cannabis. We don’t need to lie. We may get enthusiastically hyperbolic at times, but the drug war is good reason to not go their way, which is the other way, the way away. Basic lesson of plant kingdom… roots. Irie…

      … dem’s way be poison mon… dem old baldheads, dey no good mon. Now natural mon, him be good, Rastafari…

      Cannabis’ truth stands on its own.

  29. sub = robopoems x g x h says:

    Loving it!

  30. Citizen Teus says:

    Boston Denies Permit for Freedom Rally One Week Before Event

    Eight days before the long-planned first-ever two-day MassCann/NORML Boston Freedom Rally on the Boston Common, scheduled for Saturday and Sunday, September 14 and 15, the City of Boston without warning has denied the permit for the two-day event as of Friday, September 6. This comes two months after representatives of MassCann/NORML met with officials of all affected city departments to iron out details, a meeting at which there was no hint of any such problems.

    Dammit!  I’ve been planning that road trip all summer.  If I’m not on the Common, I’ll be at City Hall.  Bastards!

    • Matthew Meyer says:

      Sounds like the way Ways and Means deals with Brazil Marijuana Marches…

    • DdC says:

      City Denies 2-Day Permit for Rally, MassCann Will Fight Back
      Eight days before the long-planned first-ever two-day MassCann/NORML Boston Freedom Rally on the Boston Common, scheduled for Saturday and Sunday, September 14 and 15,…

      This is not the first time the City has attempted to derail a Freedom Rally. In 1997 and 1998 the City imposed unworkable and unconstitutional restrictions which were overturned by court injunction. In 2008, the City attempted to siphon off any proceeds from the rally and redirect them to the Boys and Girls Clubs of Boston, a scheme that was also overturned by court injunction.

      MassCann/NORML is considering filing for an injunction in this case as well and is confident that where freedom was born, freedom will once again prevail.

    • Duncan20903 says:


      Don’t cancel your hotel reservations too quickly. They’ll get the permit if they get a lawyer and press the issue. The City has no right to deny the permit just because the idiots don’t like the content. See National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie, 432 U.S. 43 (1977) for details.

  31. Windy says:

    Since this is an open thread I’m going completely off topic to bring to your attention last night’s Coast to Coast radio show. The second half (hours 3 and 4) the guest was Michael Boldin of the 10th Amendment Center and it was a very good show. You can listen to it on your computer or download an mp3 of each hour you’re interested in hearing. Those last two hours are well worth your time and if you don’t have time for two hours at least listen to the 3rd hour. Go here:

    Tonight’s show will also be a good one, all 4 hours on Oath Keepers:

    Joining John B. Wells, Stewart Rhodes, founder and President of Oath Keepers, will discuss military veterans and peace officers who will honor their oaths to defend the Constitution, and who will not “just follow orders.” Rhodes will also offer his up to the minute input on the happenings in the Middle East.

    And, to get back on topic, anyone who lives in VA’s 53rd district should definitely give this guy a vote (or at least a look):

  32. Nunavut Tripper says:

    OT again but the brave SWAT piggies in Arkansas offed a 107 year old man.

  33. Windy says:

    Looks as though Alaska could be the next State to legalize recreational use.

  34. DdC says:

    Watch Your Pot Posts on Social Media
    Tue Sep 10, 2013
    We here at HIGH TIMES have high hopes that everyone out there is careful with what you are posting on social media…because if you post the wrong thing, it can seriously come back to bite you in the ass.

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