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Telling the truth about driving dangers

This weekend, Rafael LeMaitre tweeted about a new Presidential proclamation, saying:

POTUS: Impaired drivers involved in nearly 1/3 of all deaths from motor vehicle crashes in the U.S., taking almost 30 lives each day.

Here is the actual Presidential Proclamation naming December as National Impaired-Driving Prevention Month. Note the same wording. Rafael’s quote of it would seem to indicate its importance in the document (perhaps he wrote it for the Prez).

Impaired drivers are involved in nearly one-third of all deaths from motor vehicle crashes in the United States, taking almost 30 lives each day.

It seems to me that the average citizen, seeing that passage, would take it as reading that impaired drivers (including a variety of impairments such as alcohol and other drugs) were responsible for 30 deaths daily.

But it’s not true.

It’s quite likely that the referenced statistic comes from this governmental report (or a similar one): CDC – Impaired Driving Facts

Every day, almost 30 people in the United States die in motor vehicle crashes that involve an alcohol-impaired driver. This amounts to one death every 48 minutes.

In 2010, 10,228 people were killed in alcohol-impaired driving crashes, accounting for nearly one-third (31%) of all traffic-related deaths in the United States.

Wait a second! Note the use of the word “alcohol”? That wasn’t in the Presidential Proclamation. Of course not. The Proclamation was about impaired drivers of all kinds (particularly given this government’s attempts to push for harsher laws on cannabis and driving). The statistic was a compelling one, but didn’t fit their agenda, so they dropped the word “alcohol.” Interesting.

It may still be technically accurate, but it’s a lie — an intentional effort to deceive the public in order to bolster their argument

But let’s look a little further.

If you go back to the source information from the NHTSA, you discover that their use of “impaired” is not the english language definition of the word, but rather an arbitrary political/legal definition.

Drivers are considered to be alcohol-impaired when their blood alcohol concentration (BAC) is .08 grams per deciliter (g/dL) or higher. Thus, any fatal crash involving a driver with a BAC of .08 or higher is considered to be an alcohol- impaired-driving crash, and fatalities occurring in those crashes are considered to be alcohol-impaired-driving fatalities. The term “driver” refers to the operator of any motor vehicle, including a motorcycle.

Ah, so it was those drivers who were technically “impaired” by alcohol who caused those 30 deaths each day.

Wait. Not so fast.

The term “alcohol-impaired” does not indicate that a crash or a fatality was caused by alcohol impairment.

Oh.

Now we’re finally getting a picture of reality, although it’s clearly impossible to know how many people die because of impaired drivers.

This, of course, doesn’t lend itself to a dramatically scary opening to a Presidential Proclamation, but why can’t we talk about having a month to make people aware of not driving impaired… without lying?

This matters for a couple of important reasons:

  1. The government works for the people. Lying to them is a serious violation of their Constitutional power and trust (and often their oath of office) and should be grounds for firing.
  2. In some cases the lies are also designed to undermine the will of the people, as in the push for zero tolerance per se laws for cannabis and driving from the ONDCP. Those laws do absolutely nothing to make the roads safer, so it’s not a stretch to accuse the ONDCP of not caring a damn about road safety, but rather looking for another way to harm those who support cannabis.

Kerlikowske does it again in this article: Marijuana’s risk to drivers debated

Research is incomplete on how much marijuana it takes to impair driving. But Gil Kerlikowske, director of the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, said being even a little intoxicated on marijuana is unacceptable.

“even a little intoxicated… is unacceptable” What does that mean? Where’s the science? Where’s the truth?

And this kind of talk from the federal government emboldens local officials into really pulling the most bizarre stuff out of their ass.

And in Washington, according to Chuck Hayes of the International Association of Chiefs of Police, tests confirming the presence in drivers of THC – marijuana’s active ingredient – have made up 42 percent of the state’s toxicology lab caseload this year, an increase from 26 percent last year.

“I’m not sure the public really understands the danger of it,” said Hayes, a retired Oregon State Police captain who trains police officers to be drug-recognition experts.

What danger? The danger of increased drug testing? ‘Cause that’s all you’ve shown.

Meanwhile, the only reasonable science-based truthful words are coming from reformers:

Marijuana advocates acknowledge that driving under the influence of cannabis is ill-advised. But they argue that law enforcement’s concern is overblown, and point to a 2012 study that concluded the auto accident risk posed by marijuana is on par with antihistamines and penicillin.

But the government isn’t interested in telling the truth. They want to scare people into supporting their agenda. Nothing else matters.

Now, I do a lot of driving and I’m right there in wanting to increase safety on the roads. But I want accurate information and scientific analysis of comparable dangers.

And I think that it’s good to talk about the increased safety we’re already experiencing. Check out this amazing chart:

Traffic Fatalities per 100 million miles

That’s some incredible progress we’ve made, and we should celebrate that. I’m sure it comes from a variety of factors – safer roads, safer cars, better education, and others.

Maybe we can do better. But we’ll do it through science and policy analysis, not through fear-mongering… or lying.

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29 comments to Telling the truth about driving dangers

  • DonDig

    I love the graph at the end: there are fewer fatalities as more and more states approve medical use and decriminalization of cannabis. Can this truly be unrelated? I don’t know, but I rather doubt it.

    • DdC

      Of coarse it’s related Don. Or more are out of the closet. Ganja makes better drivers. I have one ticket since 1969. Started toking steady in 70. Just another racket to steal tax money and pay drug worriers pisstasting and rehab asylums.

      Do Medical-Marijuana Laws Save Lives on The Road?

      Lincoln on Kinkykerli .jpg

      How High is Too High to Drive?
      by Russ Belville December 1, 2013
      Re-printed from HIGH TIMES Dec 2013 Issue
      In travel all across the United States HIGH TIMES has encountered cannabis consumers who don’t just drive after toking, but drive while toking. While riding with them, nobody seems to feel in any danger but being seen by police. So why do some people who would never drive drunk feel entitled to smoke a joint behind the wheel?

      Ibuprofen Can Kill Pot Buzz, Research Reveals
      According to a new study performed on mice by researchers at the Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center and published in the Cell journal, chemicals in the over-the-counter painkiller allow the plant’s therapeutic benefits to kick in with no buzz, no memory loss and no loss of motivation.

      “a-motivation [is] a cause of heavy marijuana smoking rather than the reverse”
      Dr. Andrew Weil (Rubin & Comitas Ganja in Jamaica, 1975)
      From The Natural Mind by Dr. Andrew Weil

      • @DdC

        Ibuprofen Can Kill Pot Buzz

        This study done on mice is problematic for a couple of reasons. Here’s why. For starters IT’S NOT TRUE.

        It’s not true that there’s NO buzz. It is true that it reduces the buzz, but it does NOT kill it altogether as this study would suggest.

        I know from personal experience that if you stop using NSAID medication in combination with cannabis there is a transient period of INCREASED ENJOYMENT that lasts around three weeks. It’s NOT incredibly significant, but it’s a nice little treat for a brief period.

        Here’s the problem I have with this study. It was designed with Alzheimer’s patients in mind and they worried about the short-term-memory loss which appears to be directly associated with THC and the psychoactive effect.

        There’s NO NEED to add Big Pharma into this mix at all when you can simply direct your search to a cannabinoid ratio that brings in more CBD.

        Check out G.W.Pharmaceuticals and their product Sativex and its 1:1 ratio of THC-to-CBD. This ratio is considered non-psychoactive and would fulfill the ideals of this study better than adding in dangerous side-effects that come with NSAID use.

        First Do No Harm!

        • DdC

          I’ve posted all about cbd’s. This article came out and it fit with pisstasting paranoids. That’s all there is too it. I certainly don’t want it or do I use nsaids although Ibuprofen has aspirin which I never take.

          @DdC
          December 2, 2013 at 11:03 am · Reply
          Ibuprofen Can Kill Pot Buzz

          This study done on mice is problematic for a couple of reasons. Here’s why. For starters IT’S NOT TRUE.

          IT’S NOT TRUE. That certainly is proof you got there sport… Does the capital letters make your opinion more valid than these geeks in laboratories?

          It’s not true that there’s NO buzz. It is true that it reduces the buzz, but it does NOT kill it altogether as this study would suggest.

          It is true I don’t give a rats ass. I don’t take white powders and certainly don’t want anything interfering with a buzz. This article fits with the piss paranoids.

          I know from personal experience that if you stop using NSAID medication in combination with cannabis there is a transient period of INCREASED ENJOYMENT that lasts around three weeks. It’s NOT incredibly significant, but it’s a nice little treat for a brief period.

          Oh, now that is the science you claim the Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center and published in the Cell journal, doesn’t use? As an argument against pisstasters is why it was posted. If you have something to counter it then bring it. Just say NO it doesn’t, really? Again I don’t care or about theories of abstinence causing better buzzes. I haven’t abstained since 1970 and have only heard of massive technicolor dreaming side effects a few days. But again this was to counter Kinkykerli.

          Here’s the problem I have with this study. It was designed with Alzheimer’s patients in mind and they worried about the short-term-memory loss which appears to be directly associated with THC and the psychoactive effect.

          I suggest you write the authors. Chemicals in the over-the-counter painkiller allow the plant’s therapeutic benefits to kick in with no buzz, no memory loss and no loss of motivation. Is more than Alzheimer patients, its every republican and politically correct liberal on the planet. Why would Alzheimer care about a buzz? Hospice patients I’ve cared for got more rest with Ganja extracts in milk than ambien, and no one complained about the buzz.

          I have checked out a local tincture of cbd for seizures in patients. But it is too political to ween patients from pharmaceuticals when the next election could shut it down. Big Pharma is fast tracking cbd’s in a nasal spray and sativex has their sublingual whole plant extracts but I haven’t heard of a 17 to 1 ration cbd until the little girls seizure story. So until this incremental retardation stops and the bogus controlled substance act removes cannabis. Dispensaries are a temporary thing and patients are reluctant to switch what works for what might be removed and then back to the white powders.

          There’s NO NEED to add Big Pharma into this mix at all when you can simply direct your search to a cannabinoid ratio that brings in more CBD.

          Ganja Supta on MMJ & Kestrel’s hemp car validates what we’ve been claiming since Nixon. As i posted… Except now these sweet morsels can be delivered to my door. Including high ratio cbd. Weed Maps

          With that said I stand on my original post three years ago that the DEA was lowering the schedule for Sativex. Patents on cannabinoids, including cbds and the mississippi schwag farm to grow it or as they get it now. Eliminating dispensaries and as the commerce clause has jurisdiction over all sales. Meaning only CA prop 215 as it is without profiteers tweaking it to sell quasi legal and still be outlawed federally as long as it remains a schedule@1 narcotic. So all of the states are catch 22 traps by limiting amounts and conditions prop 215 doesn’t. Including cbds. So again this ibuprofen post was with pisstasting alternatives. I have never had a problem driving with Ganja except it cost more than I care to spend just for driving stress reduction. Not a hazard many nervous ninny seniors provide just being seniors or white powders or drunks are problems. Ganja for experienced users is not inebriating, so pisstastes are a scam.

          Using Pot To Save Brains!
          Blocks irreversible brain damage.

          This ratio is considered non-psychoactive and would fulfill the ideals of this study better than adding in dangerous side-effects that come with NSAID use.

          First Do No Harm! The AMA is Big Pharma and there are no profits treating unharmed people. Do no harm went the way of cures and prevention. No money in that either. Just “treatment” profits have replaced necessity as the mother of invention. Welcome to the 21st century…

          Check out G.W.Pharmaceuticals and their product Sativex and its 1:1 ratio of THC-to-CBD.

          Dude pay attention. I posted about GW in 2000. More recently after Ganjay Supta. You can buy their stock on the London exchange or through (GWPH) here. But caution…

          GW Pharma: Capitalizing On Cannabis Science

          Stay Away From GW Pharmaceuticals
          Dan Naumov • Mon, Sep 9

          So if I sound so high (pun intended) on the business prospects, how come I am down on the stock? I have 2 concerns and here is the first one: Graph. Looks like op profits are dropping while executive comps are rising. Rev up slightly since 2010. 30.6-33.1 They want you to register for his second reason.

          Online: GW Pharmaceuticals: Giving New Meaning To ‘High Potential’
          Ben Yoffe • Mon, Jun 10

          The Original Marijuana Stock Files For U.S. IPO
          TheScottMarket • Mon, Apr 1

        • Windy

          I find when I take a couple OTC Ibuprofen after toking that I am more likely to fall asleep. I seldom take Ibuprofen or any painkiller; when I do, it is usually at the end of the day when all the aches and pains catch up with me.

        • Windy

          Ddc, you wrote: “Ibuprofen has aspirin”
          No it doesn’t. Ibuprofen is a substitute for aspirin (Salicylic acid, derived from willow bark), Ibuprofen is often used instead of aspirin because the possibility of unwanted internal bleeding is less than that of aspirin and it is easier on the stomach.

        • DdC

          I find when I take a couple OTC Ibuprofen after toking that I am more likely to fall asleep. I seldom take Ibuprofen or any painkiller; when I do, it is usually at the end of the day when all the aches and pains catch up with me.

          I don’t do white powders unless I feel a migraine coming on and I haven’t had one since I was young. They treated me for spinal meningitis and discovered it was food poisoning. So much for Florida health care. Maybe three or four times a year I might pop a couple Tylenol as a preventive, on those days. Seems to work and without the stomach problems of aspirin or Ibuprofen. The last time the waves of pain came pot seemed to worsen it. Thinking, light or sound worsened it so maybe it made me think too much. But since then I avoid it if I feel a migraine. Valerie Coral from WAMM says that is why she started smoking pot, for migraines. To each their own.

          DdC, you wrote: “Ibuprofen has aspirin”
          No it doesn’t. Ibuprofen is a substitute for aspirin (Salicylic acid, derived from willow bark), Ibuprofen is often used instead of aspirin because the possibility of unwanted internal bleeding is less than that of aspirin and it is easier on the stomach.

          I apologize for that misstatement sorta. I had a stomach reaction when I tried it years ago and had always had problems with aspirin so I must have drawn the wrong conclusions. Looking at a patients bottle it says. Allergy alert Ibuprofen may cause allergic reactions especially to people allergic to aspirin. In any case I don’t do it and only posted it as a talking point against the DEA paranoia about being buzzed. Just take an Ibuprofen, problem solved.

          I have had only one ticket since ’69, I got stopped for speeding on a road I use daily, just after they reduced the speed limit on it from 35 mph to 25 mph; but I only got a citation for no seatbelt out of the whole mess (so it wasn’t a “moving violation”), it did cost me $65 (no reduction even though I did go to court to try to get the amount reduced). I don’t recall what year it was but it was before 1990.

          I, well long story short, I was returning from taking someone to court and trying to get back to work as soon as I could when an airplane caught me on a long straight 4 lane highway 27. Got the car in front of me too. The cop in a car pulled him over and then walked onto the highway with a hand held stop sign and wrote us both up at the same time.

          I did hit a deer last year (she survived, my car hood didn’t), she jumped out on the road right in front of me, there was no way I could have avoided it; it happened in the early morning when I was coming home from my daily workout at the gym, I hadn’t had any cannabis yet that day.

          Haven’t seen many deer since I moved from Pennsylvania, close calls but never hit one. Tried shooting them as a kid raised on hunting. Until I was 16 and gave all my guns back to my father and hitched out to SF for the summer after graduating. Took my wife to FL and worked until late 88 when I took a year off and experienced the back roads of FL. Then brought some deadheads to LA and eventually ended up here in central CA since. Almost hit a coyote. No deer.

          I know when I’m too high to drive, but that state seldom lasts even an hour. I’m an excellent driver, have a knack for it and truly enjoy it. I do tend to go a bit over the speed limit (less so now than in years past — hubby called me a female Mario Andretti and still does from time to time) I usually try to stay within 2-4 mph over the limit so as to not get a speeding ticket, it’s easier to do that now that cruise control is so common in cars, but I have always been able to maintain a steady speed (and proper distance from the car in front) even without cruise control, stoned or not (but for some reason it is easier to do when stoned).

          My problem and fear, or not fear but caution is I look like I smoke pot and even though my car is bumper sticker free and not old or funkerized I am cautious. Just driving I have no worries about being safe. Being stoned was never a problem other than occasionally missing an exit getting into a tune too much. I’ve never experienced Pete’s joke about patiently waiting for the stop sign to turn green. I try to drive the limit or not more than 5 mph over it. Unless it is keeping up with the herds on the freeway or interstate. Not like drinking, especially after watching an Evil Kinevil movie in the daze before the X games. Recklessness abounds. I believe pot saved me from my blue collar upbringing, drinking Iron City and racing cars from the red light to the hamburger joint. Hippies were so mellow and happy. Pittsburgh hippies were not as the CA originals. Peace and Love was probably not our catch phrase as much as lets get fucked up and go to a concert.

          But profiling drivers is what they do, when they can. Like NM. So far I haven’t been pulled over in CA and with a patient usually in a wheel chair, if I did it may grant some sympathy. But it is ridiculous to use pot as a tool to fund budgets. Test my driving not my urine. Now I prefer not to smoke while driving or before I have to. I never, or hardly ever smoke in the daytime and there is excellent public transportation if need be at night. So it works out well so far and as long as the “legalizers” don’t sell the farm just to do their thang of selling it. I see no problem.

          The only way we are going to legally sell it is to remove it from a controlled substance or remove it as commerce. Since the later has been established by the Supremes in Raich v Gonzales, doubtful. Plus the fascist are already trying to bypass the dispensaries under the commerce ruling. So its pretty clear they don’t want us selling Big Pharma profits. As I keep harping on. Obama might be nice or whatever in not busting dispensaries following state rules. But no state can over ride the commerce clause so its moot. Plus the next contestant may not be as willing. hard to predict. I’m totally stoked at the progress we have made on our own in spite of government interference. For myself i might even go to a dispensary for some holiday treats. I’ve had a card since 1996 and have never used it. But its hard to beat the prices and quality of the growers for everyday working dope. Some day we will be free.

      • Windy

        I have had only one ticket since ’69, I got stopped for speeding on a road I use daily, just after they reduced the speed limit on it from 35 mph to 25 mph; but I only got a citation for no seatbelt out of the whole mess (so it wasn’t a “moving violation”), it did cost me $65 (no reduction even though I did go to court to try to get the amount reduced). I don’t recall what year it was but it was before 1990.

        I did hit a deer last year (she survived, my car hood didn’t), she jumped out on the road right in front of me, there was no way I could have avoided it; it happened in the early morning when I was coming home from my daily workout at the gym, I hadn’t had any cannabis yet that day.

        I know when I’m too high to drive, but that state seldom lasts even an hour. I’m an excellent driver, have a knack for it and truly enjoy it. I do tend to go a bit over the speed limit (less so now than in years past — hubby called me a female Mario Andretti and still does from time to time) I usually try to stay within 2-4 mph over the limit so as to not get a speeding ticket, it’s easier to do that now that cruise control is so common in cars, but I have always been able to maintain a steady speed (and proper distance from the car in front) even without cruise control, stoned or not (but for some reason it is easier to do when stoned).

        • allan

          who knew that pot heads were such good drivers… I had my last ticket in 1970. Last accident was in 1983 (and that’s with all the extra mileage of being a delivery driver for about 15 years). Oh, throw in driving this truck for 5 of those 15 years.

          My rule has always been if I’m too stoned to drive I don’t drive.

  • “… the government isn’t interested in telling the truth. They want to scare people into supporting their agenda. Nothing else matters.”

    The effort to deceive the public is purposeful. Its an effort not to be wrong on the part of the government.

    There should be a very high level of concern about this and you are right to bring this issue up Pete. When the Government feels a higher sense of duty to promote an agenda that is not supported by facts or the public, it becomes a matter of urgency to reform that government.

    Government based on lies must not endure. “Its the infrastructure for a police state”, if I may plagerize a statement made by Daniel Ellsberg on a very related topic (NSA) http://tinyurl.com/mxo5dkw

  • Goblet

    Too bad the GAO won’t step in. We should have an amendment to the constitution that lies are not allowed – though, not like the past several administrations have not usurped it…

  • “This matters for a couple of important reasons:

    1. The government works for the people. Lying to them is a serious violation of their Constitutional power and trust (and often their oath of office) and should be grounds for firing.

    2. In some cases the lies are also designed to undermine the will of the people, as in the push for zero tolerance per se laws for cannabis and driving from the ONDCP. Those laws do absolutely nothing to make the roads safer, so it’s not a stretch to accuse the ONDCP of not caring a damn about road safety, but rather looking for another way to harm those who support cannabis.”

    In other words:

    1. law abuse
    2. law abuse

    Our movement is ultimately not about legalizing certain drug use.

    All activities involving any drug use remain actually legal, when the Commerce Clause is not blatantly illegally redefined from “to regulate commerce…” to “to regulate any activity having a substantial effect on commerce” (i.e. when judicial branch corruption is properly publicly exposed to the point of forcing the termination of that corruption).

    Our movement is in part about raising the official recognition of legality involving drug use, a far stronger position undermining the perceived credibility of our opponents (many wielding so-called law for their very powerful financial support).

    Our movement in whole should be about opposing law abuse, the worst form of abuse due to its mainly broad scope of destruction (according to common sense), and that opposition is our primary obligation as Americans, clearly according to the U.S. Declaration of Independence (our nation was established in a bloody revolution against law abuse).

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed…” — aforementioned national declaration

    Note that modern society has the righteous power to remove any hint of gender discrimination suggested by the term “men” by insisting the humankind definition within that term be applied in this most serious context. Similar insistence by non-Christians also applies against wielding “Creator” to bypass the unalienable property of liberty. Finally, the governed has no authority to infringe upon your rights, so their effective consent in this ‘war on some drugs’ case is unethical.

    Liberty is defined as the condition of being free from restriction or control. Terminology careful exercised by Thomas Jefferson is absolute (i.e. no vague terms such as “reasonable”) to create a perfectly clear social construct insisting liberty be limited solely by the right itself, everyone against it “to protect the children” (or otherwise) be damned. This form of liberty is essential for healthy societal flexibility. Such flexibility is a macrocosm of that relied upon by athletes for optimal performance and injury risk reduction. This social construct cannot righteously be ignored.

    While the overwhelming majority of people ignore our natural (based on sound reasoning) and unalienable right to liberty (i.e. key part of actual progressivism) to instead “regulate” risk under the “equality” flag (political left) or “morality” flag (political right) in the name of perceived civility, and ignore the unbearably gross enabling of law abuse naturally accompanying the behemoth “rule-of-law” made inevitable by such “regulation”, intelligent people (including honest and honorable American patriots) must defy the outrageously high utilization of the Big Lie technique throughout American history to finally instead realize the utter brilliance in insisting liberty be limited solely by the right itself. That realization includes the understanding that no authority to legally define risk can exist (education is required for risk management), because to legally define risk is to legally define liberty against our fundamental right to liberty.

    If you are not objectively proven to directly harm someone with your action (e.g. murder, assault, kidnapping, theft, slander, etc.), the fact is you cannot possibly be guilty of any illegal act in our nation, though those fools prosecuting you ironically are guilty for such prosecution against your rights (critically noting the suffering — i.e. negative physical stress — such fools cause will be fully compensated for against them by reality’s laws, which includes the need for any system — logically including reality itself — to maintain balance for stability — if you’re interested, more on this note here: http://allsines.com/chief-day/sine-wave).

    Emphasis on the word directly is due to the fact that breathing indirectly and potentially leads to all rights-infringing acts (e.g. if you can’t breathe, you can’t murder). Any law solely attempting to negate indirect or potential rights-infringement creates a slippery ‘exceptions list’ slope against the right to liberty (e.g. breathing becomes a mandatory exception for sanity’s sake, despite its indirect and potential rights infringement, while holding a certain plant in your hand is banned supposedly for similar indirect or potential infringement), so no authority can exist for that law.

    Without an objective basis for defining harm, law is never just. Fairness is part of the definition of justice, and fairness requires objectivity, at least according to common sense.

    The “regulations” obnoxiously constantly called for in our politically left dominant movement (including age restrictions igniting a rights-infringing slippery slope extending extremely beyond that age group to enable the most serious abuses of law against society) are every bit as unproven as pathetically claiming tiny intake amounts (e.g. producing effects less intense than caffeine) of cannabis impair driving.

    Stop law abuse first, including stopping the constant cry for regulations. Corruption is never defeated by regulations. Sufficient public exposure defeats corruption, and the more laws we empower our “public servants” with (implicitly empowering corrupt individuals in the private sector capable of buying the reckless proclamation of “harm”, including ‘reefer madness’, and bribing “regulators” to negate “regulations”), the less likely that exposure occurs, because with power comes the ability to silence righteous dissent.

  • pfroehlich2004

    Ahh… hard, numerical data. Nothing clears out the smell of bullshit faster!

  • Servetus

    American politicians sure do love the Big Lie machine. The name ‘Big Lie’ is attributed to a teetotaling prohibitch named Hitler, taken from his 1925 rant Mein Kampf. Problems with the Big Lie are its ineffectiveness in the long term, as well as its counterproductivity.

    During WWII, Propaganda Minister Josef Goebbels admonished a German newspaper that ran a false article claiming a massive victory over Russian tanks by the German military. Goebbels knew that within months soldiers returning from the Russian front would quickly dispel any such myths of victory and cause citizens to distrust the National Socialists’ propaganda. Goebbels also understood that if Germans believed the war was going well, they wouldn’t be as willing to make the necessary sacrifices at home to support the Reich’s flagging military effort in Russia.

    Here’s what Goebbels said about the Big Lie:

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

    Now that the Big Lie about drugs is falling apart, repressing dissent becomes the aim of the POTUS canned speech. What better way to repress citizens than to arrest drug law dissenters using unreasonable or unnecessary per se drug and driving limits?

  • NorCalNative

    Mark Kleiman’s tweet in response to Pete really adds to the discussion. His ilk seem to view the desire for truth as problematic to their world vision.

    I’m the freaking expert! So STFU you whining hippies!

  • claygooding

    http://www.justice.gov/dea/resource-center/DIR-017-13%20NDTA%20Summary%20final.pdf

    The new Drug Threat Summary by the DEA just hit the stands..they admit that marijuana prohibition has not worked but believe all other drugs are under control,,of course they think that,,,how do you admit the only job they had is a complete failure?

  • Deep Dish

    I’m in a little debate with Howie Katz, who was once featured on this couch for comparing LEAP to pedophiles. He insists marijuana is more dangerous than alcohol, especially for driving. Here’s the link:

    http://www.pacovilla.com/more-evidence-pot-a-threat-to-public-safety/

    I’m schooling his ass, but if anyone wants to join in….

    • strayan

      My contribution:

      There has been a massive increase in the popularity of cell phones since their sale became widespread and police statistics indicate that using a cell phone in the car causes 1 in 3 fatal car accidents.

      Do you believe that the use of cell phones should be completely prohibited, or just prohibited whilst driving?

      Do you believe that the use of cannabis should be completely prohibited, or just prohibited whilst driving?

    • jean valjean

      katz really is a dinosaur. no duplicitous third way for him. he s a full on prohibitionist trotting out the gateway theory and “drinking not to get high”. everything is anecdotal based on his “greater experience on the street”. like his “katz litter box” he s totally full of shit.

    • Paul McClancy

      “Cory, you’ve gotta be kidding. Stop trying to con the troops. Ask any street cop or narcotics officer and he’ll shred your citations to pieces. I’ve seen too many people high on pot and I guarantee you they were not ‘conscientiously aware’ of hardly anything.

      “States with medical marijuana have 9% less car accidents compared to states without, possibly because people may be substituting marijuana for alcohol.”

      Cory, that’s another con job. Your statement is misleading. The accident rate is irrelevant. Studies have shown that since California enacted its medical marijuana law, there has been a significant increase in the number of drivers under the influence of pot at the time they crashed their cars.”

      How is the accident rate irrelevant!? Damn, he is one persistent prohibitch! He’s one of those adamant types that are just knowledgeable enough to address the issue but not enough to refute his opponent’s arguments.

      Also, I want to thank the person who came up with the term “prohibitch”. My hats off to you.

    • Paul McClancy

      Here’s an interesting statement by a cheerleader from the site:

      “Personally, whatever studies are being cited by your opponents, do not apply to real life, and certainly do not reflect the accidents and arrests my agency experienced with pot.”

      My response for one of Katz’s cheerleaders:

      If anecdote trumps studies in your book then, why bother citing sources that benefit your side?

      • Jean Valjean

        The smarter cops can use logic and see the problem. Many of them join LEAP. It’s the dim bulbs like Katz, who are just bright enough to see what’s in their financial interest, who continue to obey orders and do the grunt work of prohibition.

    • DdC

      2 comments by “DdC” were deleted.

      Irkle: Was it something I said?

      If the root is poison, so be the fruit. The only remaining prohibitionists are those that profit on prohibition. urine testing, rehabs and prisons. Lumping in Hemp, Nixon only benefited international corporations in competition. Taking jobs from Americans. Terrorizing sick people. Ruining lives, forfeiting homes. This is what prohibition stands for. Prohibitionists by their actions prove they hate America and despise Americans. To abuse their authority by doing harm to the most vulnerable they prove their hate for America and Americans. Enough. Citizens are not here for rehab profits over lies to create a war on our own citizens so a few profiteers can exploit people. It is beyond time for those who will not see the truth, those going along with the profiteers on blind allegiance to stand down. You are traitors to your country and an enemy of the people. The lies you traumatize people over. For money! That is as low as it gets.

      “Several generations of high school students have grown up ignoring and disbelieving everything they’ve heard from government and police about drugs, including information that was factual and valid, because they discovered for themselves that most of what has been taught to them was simply not true.”
      — Ann Shulgin, PhD,
      Therapist and Author, Lafayette, CA,
      at the DPF Conference, November 1996

      DAREyl SWAT Gates, LAPDog Perversions

      “Casual drug users should be taken out and shot.”
      — Daryl DARE Gates – Former LAPD Chief

      The Drug Worriers Should Be Busted by the (HUAC)
      House Committee on Un-American Activities

      Drug mishandling may have tainted 40,000 cases

      In the war against narcotics, Chief Gates contributed a concept and program of historic significance to law enforcement through his creation of the Drug Abuse Resistance Education (DARE) program.

      Why Police Officers Lie Under Oath

      Daryl Gates was picked to be the chauffeur for Chief William H. Parker. During his lengthy tenure as chief, Parker greatly reformed and streamlined the LAPD, bringing in changes to stamp out corruption and improve efficiency. In general, Parker’s reforms had the effect of making LAPD a paramilitary body. To combat low-level corruption, one reform barred officers from having the same patrol area for more than 18 consecutive months.

      Gates is considered the father of SWAT (Special Weapons And Tactics), which established specialized units dealing with hostage rescue and extreme situations involving armed and dangerous suspects.

  • Servetus

    Good things happen when a nation ends its drug war.

    The collapse of the general prohibition paradigm is forcing school officials throughout the country to change their zero tolerance policies toward student misbehavior. That means not turning the student in to the police for something as trivial as marijuana possession, and other minor stuff.

    Before you know it, it’s going to be legal to be a kid again.

    Katie McDonough at Salon has the story here.

  • Jean Valjean

    By the way, did anyone notice that Rafael Lemaitre has a “I love someone in recovery” avatar on his twitter account? Wouldn’t it funny if it was Pat Kennedy….seriously though, it all smacks of hostage taking.

  • js4strings

    the alcohol-related statistics are even worse, the majority of alcohol-related deaths happen in single car crashes, last time I looked it was about 65%. The Government is just trying to use the same tactic trying to show all these intoxicated, drugged up drivers, just waiting around the bend to run into you, so that it makes their jobs easier to convict and prosecute you.

    I would love to see a jury actually use Jury-nullification in cases involving drugged or alcohol related driving when it is all based on a number instead of actual impairment.