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When neither side has the solution in their vocabulary, what’s left?

I haven’t heard yet any reaction from Calderon’s visit with Obama yesterday, but it doesn’t really matter. Nothing good could come from it, because neither one of them can really discuss a solution. All they can do is complain about failing to throw enough gas on the fire.

Stories from Reuters and Houston Chronicle

Calderon last week accused the United States of damaging efforts to beat back drug cartels, just days after one of the worst attacks on U.S. officials in Mexico left one Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agent dead and another wounded.

Instead of seeking to reassure Washington, Calderon uncharacteristically blasted the U.S. ambassador to Mexico as “ignorant”, and lashed out at ICE, the CIA, and the Drug Enforcement Administration for their role in the drugs war.

This was a calculated effort to excuse Calderon’s own failures in this drug war, since Mexico is getting tired of the violence, and despite putting his whole administration’s credibility behind attacking the drug war, he has nothing to show for it.

Mexican sensibilities also have been jangled in recent weeks by Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano’s suggestion that the drug gangs might somehow ally with Islamic terrorists. A senior official in the U.S. Department of the Army riled feelings yet again by describing Mexico’s violence as an “insurgency” that might require direct U.S. action.

And, of course, the U.S. is frustrated because they can’t do anything that would actually, you know, make a difference, because they’re stuck in the prohibition mind-set.

Whenever they’re frustrated, they play the terrorism card and try to show how big a dick they have. Direct U.S. action? The U.S. military is an anachronistic behemoth that does little today but serve the greed of the military industrial complex while bankrupting the U.S. It doesn’t even realize that it can’t effectively deploy against terrorists or drug traffickers. Sending in the U.S. military to deal with the drug traffickers in Mexico would be like sending an elephant to get rid of the moles in your garden.

In preparation for today’s talks, the Obama administration on Wednesday also sent Congress a request for $10 billion in funding for programs to reduce U.S. drug consumption, long blamed by Mexican authorities for fueling the violence.

Ah, yes. The other truly American solution. Throw money at the problem. But when the actual solution isn’t on the table, that’s all you’ve got. Either the destructive use of supply-side drug war, or the ineffective and poorly targeted demand-side efforts.

“At some point it becomes deeply frustrating on both sides,” said Eric Olson, a security analyst at the Woodrow Wilson Center in Washington, D.C., where Calderon also will meet today with select members of the public. “A lot of us are scratching our heads and asking what is going on. Things were going so well.”

If that’s true, Eric, then a lot of you are idiots.

Despite the various irritations, analysts said, today’s presidential chats are unlikely to produce any fireworks, at least in public. The U.S.-Mexico relationship, and the crime crackdown, is too important for both governments.

Rather, the meetings will entail “maybe some private venting and air-clearing, public solidarity and recommitment,” predicted John Bailey, an expert on Mexican national security issues at Georgetown University in Washington, D.C.

“Sounds like the same agenda: do more about reducing drug consumption and arms trafficking,” Bailey said. “Obama can’t do much about either. But he can help Calderon’s political standing in Mexico.”

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33 comments to When neither side has the solution in their vocabulary, what’s left?

  • This is not my America

    What a bunch of idiots… LEGALIZE CANNABIS !!! see how it goes…THEN WORK ON DOING DE CRIM OR LEGALIZATION OF HARD DRUGS !!!

    FFS PEOPLE !! ITS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU!! Its not called giving up…its called a different tactic !

  • Ben Mann

    When Obama is a smart and perceptive enough person to realize that his policies are murdering thousands of innocents, yet not raise a finger to stop the bloodshed, I really have to question his human decency.

    • DdC

      I agree Benn. It’s one thing to stand by and do nothing. Not excusable, but understandable. Its another to know you are lying through your teeth and to maintain it. For greed or vested interest perpetuating vested ignorance. That’s the bottom line. All the lies, stigmatizing, demonizing, diverting, killing, caging and more lies. It all boils down to selling one product over another. Status quo booze and pills vs Ganja. Fossil fools vs Hemp. Obama has to know this. The ONDCP/DEA/NIDA are vocations not even worthy of having hero’s. Not one drug thug has ever left with a smidgeon of dignity let alone having the respect and admiration of the people. Those can kid themselves believing religion is concerned with morality, its all just profit. Bigger congregations more on the plate. It isn’t that difficult to see something done for thousands of years with none of the symptoms the future will supposedly bring, ever coming into being, from past “predictions”. Even the lowest life-forms get tired of being the fool all the time. Maybe a teeny tiny bit of hope for the teabog ditzo’s. Obombo, just another puppet.

  • MexTVleaveUSA

    Please stop Mexico’s giant media network Televisa from pumping out their glorifying of violence, torture of women, gay bashing, and ugly racism from airing in the USA. Mr Calderon your country poisons our airwaves with this garbage. A simple search of these terms Mexican Racist TV Show shows how throwing bananas at a black man while calling him monkey is ‘laughable’?!! And then you say Arizona laws are racist?

  • Gart

    @ Peter,

    Peter I’m confused. I agree with the content and tenor of your post; however, when you say:

    This was a calculated effort to excuse Calderon’s own failures in this drug war, since Mexico is getting tired of the violence, and despite putting his whole administration’s credibility behind attacking the drug war, he has nothing to show for it.

    I hope you are not suggesting for a moment that it’s Calderon who is at fault. Prohibition and the War on Drugs policies are a total and undeniable failure and even to think that the problem will disappear by gunning down the drug cartels is not only wishful thinking, is just blatant stupidity (see the balloon effect). The sad thing is that Calderon, Mexico and drug producing and distributing countries in Latin America have little choice when it comes to rejecting USA criminal and murderous policies on drugs. Thus, Latin American countries cannot just simply ignore the corrupting and destabilising force drug cartel represent. They have to try to control their power, even if it is a lost battle in the short and long term. The only way to cut their power for good is to put an end to Prohibition. And that regime, I’m afraid, is U.S.A’s fault!

    Gart Valenc
    http://www.stopthewarondrugs.org

    • Calderon’s failures in this drug war involve his decision to use violence to “solve” the drug war. While he had very little option regarding the existence and power of the cartels (which requires an action by the U.S. that it refuses to consider), he did have an option of what approach he took – and the military approach has actually been counter-effective.

      It would have been better if he did nothing.

      It would have been even better than that if he focused on strengthening the infrastructure of his country without pushing the cartels to undermine it. Since he doesn’t have the strength to defeat the laws of supply, all military/enforcement action does is stir up the hornet’s nest. The cartels wouldn’t be interested in destroying the police and military and judicial system and press if they weren’t being attacked.

  • kaptinemo

    Gart, Pete and others:

    DdC gave us a link to an article which came from this source, an article with truly explosive ramifications.

    It supports what many of us who’ve followed this issue for decades had suspected but had no proof of, namely, that drug smuggling had been sanctioned by the highest levels of the Mex government (no doubt with clandestine support from El Norte‘s spook shops).

    The basic idea was that in the late 1970’s/early 1980’s a deal had been made between the cartels and the Mex political establishment to channel differing drug smuggling routes for different geographically local cartels, keeping them away from each other and reducing the friction.

    But Calderon had ruined that by militarizing the conflict and breaking the ‘peace’, setting off the spiral of bloodshed, as the gangs had no further reason to continue the ‘arrangement’. The kabuki theater that had maintained the semblance of phony efforts to ‘fight drugs’ while the trade was running relatively peacefully behind the scenes had come to an end…with bloody and devastating consequences.

    Needless to say, it’s not even remotely possible that this was unknown at the highest levels of the USG. So now, the major players are engaged in this blame game while the US is trying to shore up its’ latest right-hand man’ in Mexico (under the ‘better the devil you know…’ philosophy).

    It explains this “he said/she said” crap going on between Calderon and Obama very nicely. Like I said, it’s all kabuki theater, every bit. All designed to shore up the termite-infested, rotting timbers supporting drug prohibition’s Potemkin Village.

  • darkcycle

    Right you are Kap’n, and let’s not forget, Calderon has a favorite dog in this fight too, the Sinaloas.

  • denmark

    It sounds silly however, I do appreciate your anger displayed in your words Pete.

    Here’s a short copy and paste from a brief news article.

    “Obama and Calderon were also expected to discuss U.S. aid to help support Mexico in the drug war. A senior administration official said the U.S. plans to speed up implementation of the $1.4 billion Merida Initiative, with $900 million to be doled out by the end of the year. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity in order to preview the announcement.”

    The announcement comes as the State Department issued a report praising Mexico’s government for increased drug seizures and better efforts to combat narcotics trafficking and money laundering. But it said Mexican production of marijuana, heroin and methamphetamines was rapidly rising, and that cartels were becoming even more dangerous through use of sniper rifles, grenades and increasingly military tactics.

  • Duncan20903

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    Isn’t it time to acknowledge that Mexico is waist deep in a bona fide a civil war? It was probably the correct way to describe it when the death toll passed 5,000. Good golly people need to be careful about what they wish for because they just might get it. They wanted a drug war and I’m officially certifying that there is a war, and that it is a civil war. I’m not sure how they snuck that past us for well over 3 years but there you go.

    Hopefully we can negotiate a temporary cease fire on 4/20. Nobody should fight over anything on 4/20. Fighting on 4/20 sends the wrong message to the childrens and may effect them for the rest of their lives? Are we willing to take that risk?

  • vicky vampire

    This whole Mexico thing death,torture,destruction turns, my stomach will some Fraking leader in US have balls to do something to alleviate it a little a least.Legalise I know it falls on deaf ears too much mula.. involved.

    A little local news from Dead Zone State Utah I live in,if it passes in legislature will Drug test applicantsFOR public assistance and Hill Air Force Base from Pentagon will be implementing for first time a civilian drug test for employees who work on military Base, wonderful, I have heard many folks call in to radio shows and say they do not apply for certain jobs if they test I mean don’t most jobs these days? not sure

    http://mmmgreenbee.com/news2/nepals-holy-men-banned-from-selling-cannabis-at-temple

    WTF is up with this what authorities started this hey did M Lionheart interfere somehow in this country would not surprise me.HA HA

  • Duncan20903

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    My wife has never heard a whisper about a drug screen of any stripe where she works. Of course it a paper pushing operation but they’ve got approaching 1000 employees. Then again she’s actually earned a defined benefits pension so maybe they’re just stuck in the past over there.
    …………………………………………………….

    You know this synthetic cannabinoid brouhaha is really rife with future possibilities. It seems the producers aren’t too worried about running out of variant synthetic cannabinoid chemicals and have no expectation of going out of business any time soon. Will outlawing these chemicals one at a time keep the State legislatures and Congress busy all the way into 2020? Nah, that would be too good to be true.

  • Gart

    Let’s be clear about it, it is not as if the drug cartels were a marginal criminal organisation, a mere nuisance, an anecdotal punctuation in the daily lives of million of citizens all over Latin American countries. Just the opposite.

    What do you do when a criminal organisation manages to cumulate almost unimaginable power (economically and politically speaking) and makes of corruption and violence the means through which that power is kept and feed? What do you do when these organisations manage to interfere, manipulate and determine who should be elected to all sorts of public bodies? What do you do when politicians, journalists, policymakers, innocent bystanders get slain for speaking against their corrupt and corrupting practices? Or you just get killed because they don’t like the way you look, or the way you speak, or just…because.

    One may debate about the optimal strategy to rein on the drug cartels power and whether declaring all out war on them is the best tactic, but are we to believe, really, as you say that the best strategy is to do nothing and left the drug cartels alone? Should we just try to appease these bloody thirsty organisation, and every other criminal organisation that blackmail us with unimaginable atrocities, and say: you do your business but be discrete: hear nothing, see nothing!

    One has to be totally disingenuous or blatantly ignorant about the recent history of Latin America to believe that doing nothing is just right. One may ignore the corrupting and destabilising force drug cartels represent at our peril.

    I insist, the only way to cut drug cartels power for good, to effectively stop their violence and corrosive influence is to put an end to Prohibition. A regime sponsored, sustained and imposed by the U.S.A. Probably as some of the commentaters say, as long as the atrocious price paid for U.S.A. policies remains in foreign soil, as long as they do their business discreetly: hear nothing, see nothing!

    Gart Valenc
    http://www.stopthewarondrugs.org

  • kaptinemo

    Gart, you’re preaching to the choir. No arguments from me on any of your points.

    But the rot runs far deeper than most can conceive. I am reminded of the symbology of the title of the (suspiciously) late Danny Casolaro‘s unpublished book, The Octopus. What we’re dealing with here has roots that run far deeper than most can imagine…and it is intimately, incestuously related to international banking. The same international banking and the same international banksters that have brought wrack and ruin to the world’s economic system, which is fomenting social unrest all around the world, as well as here at home.

    This is partly why reform has an almost vertical climb to make, and is fought tooth-and-nail at every step. As much as we would like to think that the source of the drug laws were simple, stupid prejudices promoted by modern-day troglodytes only, the fact is that cold calculation was employed at drug prohibition’s inception and is still utilized by the Powers-That-Be in maintaining drug prohibition.

    You could honestly say that not gold, not paper ‘money’, but illicit drugs are the REAL currency of the world, a truly international, global, fluidly traveling currency. A fact which banks know quite well indeed, as it was all that dirty money that kept them afloat when they torpedoed the world economy.

    Just as the oceans have currents running deep below the surface, the international illicit drug trade has its’ currents too…and they run just as deeply submerged below the operations of governments and the banking industry…and all too often are intimately tied to those governments and banks, which make use of the hidden dirty money for their own purposes.

    This is what we are fighting: institutionalized corruption on a planetary scale. No government near any trade route is immune to its’ effects.

    But…the word’s getting out. Part of the reason for what’s happening with national governments that normally have nothing to do with each other cooperating so suspiciously well in trying to silence people like Bradley Manning and Julian Assange of WikiLeaks is that the cables they have disclosed are damning evidence of the wholly amoral and cynical corruption-fostering collusion between government and industry. Which, of course, includes the enormous wealth created by the artificial price supports enjoyed by illicit drugs.

    The criminal nature of government is being exposed…in its’ own words. It’s getting to the point where the legislative cat’s-paws of the PTB are trying to strangle the Internet, attempting to prevent more damage to their criminal enterprises from taking place by more click-of-a-mouse disclosures…and that information reaching the increasingly restive masses. Who are getting so pissed off around the world that in some places there’ve been revolutions, and threaten to manifest one here.

    For the very first time, the PTB’s are running scared; they know that further disclosures will provide additional and tightly-grouped dots to connect in such a way a blind man could see the depth of the corruption hiding under the putative ‘white hats’ governments claim to wear.

    We are in a race to see whether truth will win over lies, whether freedom will win over tyranny, whether there will be a Great Awakening or a Final Dark Age on this planet. The end of drug prohibition will be part of the former; the death of the Internet will signal the latter. And time’s running out.

  • strayan

    You’d have to be retarded to ensure your enemy gets a tax free source of income to fund recruitment, weapons and the like.

  • aye… and to think, civilization was fueled by its use of substances like amanita muscaria, datura, cannabis…

    And how far up can the cartels corrupt?

    Smuggling Scandal Shakes Bolivia

    The scandal broke Friday when U.S. agents and Panamanian police arrested retired-general Rene Sanabria, the former head of Bolivia’s main anti-narcotics unit for smuggling up to 315 pounds ( 144 kilograms ) of cocaine to the U.S., Bolivian officials said. Mr. Sanabria, who was serving as a top intelligence adviser to the country’s Interior Minister Sacha Llorenti at the time of his arrest, was deported to Miami.

  • Chris

    Pete, I like asking questions directly to you, but if I post them on here instead of emailing you everyone gets to see them.

    What’s your opinion on the fact that medical marijuana is used as de-facto legalization of marijuana? I voted yes knowing what would happen, and thankfully it did. We, the voters take what we can get, and quite clearly trying to do so at the federal level or through the state legislatures does not work. This is the only means possible as to asserting our rights to declare ourselves not to be criminals. I wish I didn’t have to ask whether or not we live in a democracy, but it’s that far gone.

    So we have to go through with this medical farce to protect ourselves against arrest for what should not be a crime. Doctors write recommendations for diseases that are impossible to disprove, and people simply have to call their dealer a caregiver or a dispensary.

    It goes without saying that there are many, many people who need this drug for medicinal purposes or they will suffer (perhaps even die, and I know some), but the vast majority just want to use the drug legally for whatever purposes they have. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that; these people are the ones who authorized its use and declared themselves non-criminals. It is used as a vehicle towards changing public opinion and giving a legal defense against some of the real atrocities, and I feel there is nothing wrong with that.

    How do you feel when people participate in the wink and nod that they require the drug for medicinal use when the fact is they just don’t want their government to harm them?

  • This is not my America

    Ok the bullshit just got deeper.

    I just watched an interveiw with Donald Rummy the lizard feld on O’really.

    O”really made the statement that there has been one corrupt Mexican president after another, Rummy said”we dont know that.” whit a smile on his face.

    Didnt we just see a Former mexican official State just that?

    Rummy, either stop the lying through your split togune or pick up a news paper or the mouse and keyboard !!

  • vicky vampire

    Yes I watched same interview- This is not My America, The bullshit ran far and deep this evening Rummy AND O’rielly giggling a bit like school girls through part Drug war interview soft ball questions Rummy Bummy Ofuscating playing dumb not wanting to answer anything about drug war problems.
    But then O’reilly grilled him or at least pretended to get tuff about war decisions Rummy and Pres.Bush and administration had made,I zoned out at that point, what a joke of an interview kiss ass goof off. Nothing left to say it was just gross what a waste this interview was he gives Barbra Walters a harder time,when interviewing her, give me a break.

    • This is not my America

      Ya what a joke that was…I also zoned out after that. O’really needs to be slapped with his own freakishly big hands.A kind of clownish ” walk into this ” senerio.

  • DdC

    “The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it’s profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way, and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theatre.”
    – Frank Zappa, 1977

  • DdC

    President Obama Praises ‘Strong Bonds’ Between Mexico, U.S.
    U2b PBSNewsHour on Mar 3, 2011

    Obama: No Arming of U.S. Agents in Mexico
    March 03, 2011 FoxNews.com
    “There are laws in place in Mexico that say that our agents should not be armed,” Obama said, describing the U.S. role south of the border as an “advisory” one. “We do not carry out law enforcement activities inside of Mexico.”

    Obama pledges aid to Mexico drug fight
    by Erin Kelly – Mar. 4, 2011 12:00 AM
    Republic Washington Bureau

    The last time Calderón visited Washington, in May, the United States had spent about $230 million as part of the initiative to help him battle the cartels.

    As of this week, that total had nearly doubled, to more than $400 million.

    By the end of 2012, the U.S. will have spent a total of about $900 million, senior administration officials said.

    Obama’s words were clearly aimed at smoothing relations with Mexico, which is the second-biggest market for U.S. goods and helps support 1 million American jobs.

    The relationship between the two North American allies has been strained in recent months by the continuing violence.

    Ass Press. This just in.
    Gilly Kashkowske, “Scuze me Mr President Obama,
    I may have got the borders mixed up. Ooopsie.
    Sorry bout that. I feel just stupid.
    Tell senøri Calderon I said hey.
    I’m getting checked for Dyslexia or is it Dementia?
    OK sir, hate to bug ya. but it seems
    we’re gonna need a wall 5525 miles long…

    An official senior drugs-monitoring official,
    is “easy-to-penetrate” UN Report Cites.”
    Maybe a 5525 mile condom would be in order.

    UN Report Cites Canada as Growing Source of Illicit Drugs in U.S.
    Canada has emerged as an increasingly important exporter and transit point for illicit drugs — and partly to blame is the “easy-to-penetrate” border, a senior drugs-monitoring official warned Wednesday at the United Nations. full story

    • This is not my America

      Oh no ! Border war with Canada too?! So sad.

      • kaptinemo

        The Nazis had their ‘Festung Europa’. The meaning was obvious. It was as much a cage as it was a defense.

        Are we now to have a variant of that, called ‘Fortress America’? Who’s brilliant idea was it to adopt a Nazi concept? Like “Homeland”?

        Maybe we should ask the guys who let these bastards in.

        The implication should be obvious: that the US has been behaving increasingly authoritarian in its’ dealings with other nations and with its’ own people is symptomatic of what amounts to an alien infection poisoning a previously healthy host. Just looking at how our police are dressing more and more like SchutzStaffelen – and adopting the mindset and methods of such troops in dealing with their paymasters – is indicative of that ‘infection’.

        And nothing has created a more fertile soil for the sprouting of this transplanted fascism than the DrugWar.

  • Duncan20903

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    Chris, I’ve got a better question for you. Why is that you think that the malingering patients define various medical cannabis laws that the truly ill who wouldn’t be getting their needed medicine in its absence? For a moment, let’s concentrate on the 374 patients in Montana that are older than age 71.

    How do you feel about forcing these 70, 80, and 90 something patients to either do without or to buy their medicine from black market cannabis vendors in whatever dark, shadowy place that the black market vendors lurk?
    page 4: http://www.dphhs.mt.gov/medicalmarijuana/MMPRegistryInformation.pdf

    There are now 11 patients older than 91 in Montana. Are you going to be the one to tell grandpa that he gets to suffer because some quack wrote a rec for someone who wants to get high?

    How do you feel about the reality that if the medical cannabis laws disappeared without a trace tomorrow at 9 AM that the malingering Spicolis which so upset you will have headstash in hand by noon? The Spicolis had a black market vendor before they signed up. Great grandpa 95 years old didn’t.

    I think you’ve been listening to the Know Nothings a little too closely if you think there aren’t any truly sick patients that are getting needed relief from these programs. The thing that kills me is that no one (except me) notice that if people who aren’t sick are getting through that it’s the fault of that State’s Board of Medicine which allows these quacks license to run a recommendation mill.

    Let’s talk about cardholders in California for a moment. Exactly what is it you think these people are getting from spending a $150 for a quack’s signature and another $100 to get an SB-420 card? The penalty for petty possesion in California is a civil fine of $100. In order for that $250 expenditure to be cost effective, the patient would have to get 3 citations in a year. Well I’ll toss you a clue. What these patients want is to be able to purchase from a safe retail outlet that offers a variety of choices rather than “take it or leave it”.

    You claim that “…the vast majority just want to use the drug legally for whatever purposes they have.” Well I’ll actually bump that up to 100% of the patients want that, even 97 year old Grandpa in Montana. Indeed, grandpa wants his medicine without fear of being arrested, put in jail, and ending up like Jonathan Magbie. Your assertion is an aphorism.

    There are 14,410 of 28,739 patients in Montana older than 41, which also happens to be the average age. It looks like it’s also pretty darn close to the median age as well. (same link posted above)

    Why did I pick Montana to demonstrate the age distribution of patients? Because to the best of my knowledge it’s the only State that breaks out the age distribution of patients.

    I’ve never grokked why people think having something available as medicine for sick people will do anything to promote the re-legalization of that substance for recreational use. I didn’t believe it in 1993 when I first heard Dennis Peron use that specious reasoning to get NORML to sign up to back what would become Prop 215. I certainly don’t believe it today. With the example of Mr. Peron and a large percentage of the medical cannabis distribution chain lobbying for the failure of Prop 19 last year you’d have to come up with something major that’s missing to get me to believe it today.

    I back medical cannabis because it’s the right thing to do. I watched a dear friend wither away and die at age 49 from leukemia from 2000-2002. I frankly don’t care how many malingering Spicolis get into a dispensary if that’s the price that has to be paid to bring needed medicine to people like my friend Skippy.

    It’s stunning that there are so many armchair doctors when it comes to this medicine. People with no medical degree that can sit across the street from a dispensary and diagnose the patients as not being ill. They also forget about the caregiver provision of these laws. Caregivers need not be sick in order to buy medicine from a dispensary for a sick person. Go on down to the pharmacy closest to you and sit for an hour watching people pick up prescriptions. Please take note of how many that you see that are seriously ill. Do you really expect someone in an iron lung to roll in and get his own medicine?
    http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/jko/lowres/jkon23l.jpg

    I actually find potheads that attack the medical cannabis laws to be more despicable and inhumane than the Know Nothings prohibitionists doing the same. At least I can say that the Know Nothings are ignorant. My fellow potheads should know better.

  • Hope

    Very well said, as usual, Duncan. Thank you.

    I’ve been meaning to tell you that I appreciate your thoughtful observation, and subsequent repeated use of the words, “Know Nothings”, in reference to prohibitionists.

  • vicky vampire

    Great rebuttal Duncan:Lets not eat our own Chris we need to support each other folks,against this insane prohibition.I know your entitled to you thoughts but we will rebut also.
    Look CHRIS for years and years Marijuana was not even on my radar,then through reading reason magazine this forum and speaking to friends about 12 years ago I gradually realized hey this stuff should be totally legal then about 2 and half years ago after being in intractable chronic pain for 10 years, I finally gave it a try look,LIKE I have said before here on this forum I take a shitload of drugs and it barely controls the pain now the Cannabis helps wonderfully half the time other times just takes edge of pain and I do not need to worry about when taking it has extra medicine that I’m going to OD on it that’s a great relief. What these legislatures are doing in Montana is very cruel I wish they could live in my body for a while maybe then they would free the weed.but maybe not they’d rather be high on oxycontin I quess, don’t know tired I have a cold. that’s all.

  • vicky vampire

    Good Link- Brandon E.Finally someone did a real interview instead of softball interview with Rummy. Yeah at least The Judge,John Stossel and Geraldo Rivera stand for more Freedoms than most on Fox. good for them.