Open Thread

Another whirlwind weekend for me. I’m up in Chicago now – just played a couple of hours of Christmas music on the piano for a nice alumni event at the Allerton Hotel. Tomorrow I’m off to Los Angeles and I’ll be doing an event Sunday afternoon and then taking the red-eye back Sunday night.

So play nice and share the pizza.

The local paper asked me to comment on the medical marijuana bill in Illinois. It was kind of odd, because my mindset is currently so far beyond the petty things that they’re arguing over that it was hard to even focus on the arguments.

It was like “Oh, wait, you want me to comment on legalizing medical marijuana? Right. What were the arguments against?”

Medical marijuana bill could be voted on next week

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84 Responses to Open Thread

  1. claygooding says:

    /Dr Taimoorazy needs a crash course in marijuana doctoring or a refresher course in prohib fearmongering,,not sure which,

  2. claygooding says:

    Liquor Control Board to invent a pot market, from seed to store

    The state Liquor Control Board has an interesting job in the year ahead: to get into the weeds of how marijuana is grown, sold and used.

    Washington voters’ decision to legalize marijuana means the state Liquor Control Board (LCB) now has a year to set regulations for the first-of-its-kind marijuana market.

    But first, the small state agency must go on an even stranger mission — to get into the, well, weeds of how marijuana is grown, sold and used. “snip”

    First you light this end and suck on this end,,learn the WHY,,it will make the when and how a lot more interesting.

    • Freeman says:

      Based on a state fiscal analysis, it will be a big market: 363,000 users consuming 187,000 pounds of marijuana each year, with steep sin taxes generating more than $560 million a year.

      Sheesh! They’re going to try to tax legal marijuana at $187 per ounce??? They know absolutely nothing about how to go about displacing an established competitor — you’ve got to undercut the price — in this case a lot. In the licit business world the tactic is to sell below cost until competitors exit the market bankrupted from trying to compete, then raise the price once the market is cornered. The well-established black market can absorb quite a bit of price drop from current levels and still reap enormous profits compared to most legitimate enterprise. Who in their right mind would want to try to compete against that with a $187/ounce lead weight tied around their neck? The legal product will need to be priced above current levels in order for the suppliers to make any sort of profit at all at that tax rate.

      They also know absolutely nothing about the nature of marijuana connoisseurs. While it would be convenient to be able to run down the street and pick some up at the dispensary, we’ve been buying it illicitly for so long that we’re not all that concerned with the legality of our sources. We’re not going to automatically pay more for legal weed when lower-cost alternatives are available. They should investigate how NYC’s excessive taxation affects the black market in cigarettes for an example of what they can expect.

      I predict much disappointment when these guys go to tallying their marijuana tax revenues once this thing is implemented.

      • claygooding says:

        You cannot sell a commodity that costs a few dollars a pound to produce(outdoor grows)for $12 per gram and expect anyone not to grow their own,,plus a little plus the challenge of producing marijuana of sufficient quality also plays into the equation,,producing low grade marijuana also underwrites black market participation.

        The problem is easy to see,,the only market prices they have as examples are dispensary and law enforcement estimates of value on seized marijuana and the greed of politicians cannot erase those figures from their minds.

        Time will tell,but in order to reduce the black market the price will have to be under $1 a gram retail,taxes and all while $12 a gram will allow black market prices to go up and still be cheaper than legal prices.

        The initiative charges the LCB to tax and charge licensing fees that remove the black market,,we will see if they take that charge as seriously as they do all those tax dollars they will never collect if they continue using dispensary/black market prices as a starting point

        • claygooding says:

          PS,,there must be lot of light weight tokers in WA if all they smoke is 1/2 lb a year,,an estimate of 3>5 lbs per year per customer would be more realistic.

        • darkcycle says:

          They are stuck guessing. They have been making up nonsense figures for so long that they have come to believe them. That’s okay, if they actually implement this thing, they’ll figure it out fast. (I doubt they will be allowed to)
          I think I feel pretty good that they are actually TRYING, and without fudging and foot dragging like Arizona is doing with medical.

        • Deep Dish says:

          Just speaking for myself, 1/8th of an ounce usually lasts me almost two weeks, assuming I keep it to myself. If my math is right, that translates into 1/5th of a pound every year.

        • darkcycle says:

          Dish, Clay and I take up the slack, don’t worry.
          For my own part, I need a heck of a lot of pot to control my PTSD, while my stomach issues are calmed by a lot less.
          Sometimes, an eighth lasts me half a day.

        • divadab says:

          $1 a gram? That’s $28.50 an ounce. I think you meant $10 a gram retail, which is where it’s shaking out in the local medicinal market in WA. There are some lower-priced shwags at $6 or $7 a gram, but buyer beware they are generally crap. The best quality sells for up to $15 a gram in WA. I understand prices are in the same league in CA, but that some local markets are higher (LA, with high rents for retail space, eg.).

          It’s not possible to grow indoor and sell for $1 a gram. I don’t think it makes sense to sell outdoor for this price.

          IN a fully legal market, we would have COngolese, Burmese, Afghan, and Thai product competing with local product and that will put most indoor growers out of business, IMHO.

          But the shakeout will take several years.

        • Plant Down Babylon says:

          Clay, If one grows completely organic, then it does cost more to produce. I’m talking 99.9% with OMRI approved dirt, fert and beneficial predator organisms. Plus, you need 2mo’s of indoor LED action before you can go outside.
          Also, when you’re that organic, the bugs LOVE your plants so there is some loss back to Mother Earth. I am amazed at how many people don’t care to know how the grower produces. What you put into your lungs/body is vitally important!
          That said, I would guesstimate my wholesale costs to be roughly $25-30 per oz.

        • claygooding says:

          Plant,,using indoor grow costs is useless and when you are speaking of thousand acre crops using tractors and John Deere Budtender combines with trucks hauling seeds to one barn,the vegetative matter to another and laying the stalks in windrows for fiber production,,I expect selling it for $1 an ounce will still make it the most expensive crop grown on earth.

          Seed production reduces thc content by .02% according to the growers bible,,when you grow high end marijuana the difference between seeded and unseeded pot is only detectable by a machine.

          Everyone seems to think of purchasing some nice buds but I predict it will be chopped and ready to roll or already be rolled and of course edibles are what they are,,labeling and brand name may be the only hint you have of what strain of marijuana you are even buying.

          Names and advertisement may get people to try a company’s product but quality brings them back and I don’t expect any mediocre pot producers to last long.

        • Duncan20903 says:


          clay is very correct. Down at the MBA mill they call it “economies of scale” Two businesses each with gross revenues of $1 million* are required to employ a considerable number of duplicate departments. E.g. the accounting staff. If the companies merge the new company will need only one accounting department. The cost of bringing the product to market decreases and the new company has the choice of lowering the product’s retail price to grab market share or just pocket the extra profit. More likely a combination of the two.

          If we limit the wholesale producers to an arbitrary number of plants, say 95 while demand requires 9.5 million, it’s going to require a lot more people that expect a paycheck and keep costs up. We’ve all heard the sob stories about Mom & Pop’s retail store being put out of business by Wal-Mart. The true reason that they went out of business is because they simply weren’t needed to bring their products to market.

        • divadab says:

          I don’t think the feds will permit industrial-scale farming anytime soon. And the 99-plant limit in WA under I-502 is very small scale. SO the economies of scale will not be significant.

          PLant Down Babylon – how did you come up with your cost figure? Did you include anything for your own labor? Did you include rent for the space/ground, insurance, State and local taxes? $30 an oz seems very low – consider trimming costs alone – $10/oz means the trimmer is trimming 2 oz per hour, and doesn’t include payroll taxes or benefits.

          Don’t sell yourself short.

    • Windy says:

      I-502 Implementation

      from the horse’s mouth, sts.

    • Windy says:

      Spoon Bender posts on the ST article:
      Also, the law states that if the pot is not to state standards(which haven’t been written) the entire crop must be destroyed. Did any of you notice that provision?
      So, what if the LCB sets an upper limit of THC of say, 1%? Any crop that has more than 1%thc must then be destroyed. I read the law, it contains all sorts of crap. It was missing one word though, I couldn’t find it anywhere.
      Here, that pesky little provision in the law.
      (3) If a representative sample inspected and tested under this section does not meet the applicable standards adopted by the state liquor control board, the entire lot from which the sample was taken must be destroyed.
      So, what standards will the LCB set?

      • claygooding says:

        Windy,,that sure warns people to keep their grow cabinets in place,if not in use.

        The possible low thc content limit will never float because of another clause that over rides it,,the clause requiring the LCB create their marketing structure that removes the black market,,low thc content underwrites the black market the same as exorbitant prices,taxes and licensing fees.

      • darkcycle says:

        “PROVIDED: That nothing in this act shall be construed as authorizing the SLB to seize…..produced, offered for sale or possessed in compliance with the Washington Medical use of cannabis act”
        From the text.

        • darkcycle says:

          Sorry, somehow I lost my brackets
          “PROVIDED …nothing in this act shall be construed as authorizing the LCB to seize [cannabis and cannabis products] …..possessed in compliance…with the Wa. Medical use of cannabis act.”

      • darkcycle says:

        Spoon bender is off. That just makes no sense. Why exactly WOULD the LCB set an arbitrarily low THC limit (or any limit whatsoever)? It doesn’t matter one whit to the Federal government whether the pot is 21% THC or has no detectable THC whatsoever. It’s all illegal. I would expect them to undermine the law, but by foot dragging and refusing to implement, not by ACTUALLY ALLOWING THE EVIL WEED TO BE SOLD LEGALLY. To the prohibitionist mindset hemp is the same as pot, no?
        Furthermore, they still have a quasi legal but ESTABLISHED competition in the form of our State’s dispensaries. Like it or not, if they want to get in the business at all, they will have to compete. There is already a saturated black AND grey market in this State. And there is no practical way to tell grey or black market pot from State pot. So they require a State label on the bag. Gee, I have this magical baggie, I bought it once and it just keeps REFILLING….

        It is really kinda sad how some people cannot let go and are STILL trying to defeat I-502. I say we give them the benefit of the doubt, after all, it is THEIRS to screw up. The constructive pothead would be writing the LCB with their concerns, particularly if they want to see small, local providers in preference to large industrial farms. I VERY much favor the idea of small local providers, don’t you?
        (Key subtext notes: Please note that in moving the discussion POINTEDLY in the direction of implementation and how to affect it, I am trying to END the current continued harping on how “bad” I-502 is or isn’t. It IS now our law. And any law, no matter how well or poorly written, can be saved or destroyed by how it is put into effect. Even here, we have guidelines, not process. Implementation. And influencing it. We’ve moved beyond “I-502 good vote for-vs- I-502, bad vote for.”)

        • Windy says:

          “The constructive pothead would be writing the LCB with their concerns, particularly if they want to see small, local providers in preference to large industrial farms.”
          That is exactly what I already did, wrote the LCB and included info from posts here to back up my “concerns”. I also wrote to about a dozen legislators pretty much the same as I sent to the LCB (I believe they have oversight of LCB, tho I could be wrong bout that). In order to write the LCB one must go to their website and fill out an email form, in case anyone else wants to write them, too.

        • claygooding says:

          While the small growers may spend more time and care growing their crop I don’t think they will ever drop the price enough to damage the black market without the huge fields and over production of marijuana.
          A small growers plan might work for medical marijuana because of the limited number of consumers but providing 187,000 lbs of marijuana a year would take way too many growers and each grower trying to make or enhance their income,,

        • darkcycle says:

          NONONONONO. Clay. You just fell victim to the same faulty reasoning that the prohibs fall for. The market exists and is currently BEING SERVED…to capacity. The price of street pot has been dropping here ever since 2006.
          There are not likely to BE additional consumers. The market is being served right now, primarily by those small growers. SO…any new production by the State is OVER production. State pot better be good, and it better be cheap, or there’s no reason for Joe Smokabowl to stop going to see his local dealer.

  3. primus says:

    The estimate of half pound per year isn’t so far off for the ‘average’ toker; 1g/day use means about 13oz. per year. To get to 3# per year means consumption of 4g/day, 5#/yr means 6g/day, both of which seem like a very high average.

    • allan says:

      My personal use is only about 1/2# per year, but I’m a lightweight. Add in sharing with others (because pot makes one want to share) and my wilderness hiking/photo expeditions (during which I puff large) I may jump to 1# a year, at most.

    • darkcycle says:

      Don’t forget, concentrates change the equation drastically.

  4. claygooding says:

    i/4 oz per day of brick,1/8 +/- a pinch for high end,,plus sharing equals 1.5 oz per week,brick,3/4 oz per week high end = 2.5 lbs per year high end or 5 lbs a year low grade.

    And I am a lightweight compared to some of my old friends.

    As you can tell and as I explained to a staunch prohibitionist redneck farmer at the cafe,,nobody has ever seen me straight in 8 years now,,so why be alarmed that people will be exposed to stoned marijuana users.

    PS dark..the one you sent only a few of,,all viable. ;<)

  5. Byddaf yn egluro: says:

    I’m a lightweight too; I smoke only late evenings, just enough to dull my aches and make my single bottle of Westmalle Triple (spiked with a dash of single malt whisky) last for a whole two hours. The 300 grams that my two outdoor plants produced will probably see me through till next years harvest.

    • darkcycle says:

      Oh, that’s nice. I like it when my friends are happy. 😉

      • claygooding says:

        It has me so happy I started droolin,,that calls for more marijuana,,did I mention marijuana has the dual ability to cause and stop drooling,,,drooling over allan’s calenders can only be stopped by tasting some.

      • Byddaf yn egluro: says:

        More than just happy, DC; you did a great job raising those babies. Your time and attention has certainly payed off. Thanks!!!

    • Matthew Meyer says:

      My guess is that several on the couch would smoke less if they had access to Daime.

  6. allan says:

    Just for the sake of saturday I’m gonna roll a phat doob and clean the house (amotivational my ass… a doob to work on making shorter, turn up the stereo and I’m cleaning for hours)

    May this day see more bricks dropping from the ugly old wod wall!

    great piece over at CNN:

    Marijuana advocates hope to rise from ‘prohibition’


    Judge Kane said he foresees marijuana following a similar path as alcohol. Toward the end of Prohibition, judges wantonly dismissed violations or levied fines so trivial that prosecutors quit filing cases, he said.

    While he sees marijuana laws that target kingpins, traffickers and those who engage in violence remaining in place, he believes possession laws are endangered, he said.

    “The law is simply going to die before it’s repealed. It will just go into disuse,” Kane said. “It’s a cultural force, and you simply cannot legislate against a cultural force.”

  7. claygooding says:

    Marijuana’s Top Lobbyist Told Us Why There Will Be Several Viable Legalization Bills Next Year In Congress

    “””When we sat down with these representatives, we began with our usual playbook,” St. Pierre said. “They said “We don’t care about decrim anymore. We want a tax and regulate bill from you folks.” And that’s where we find ourselves now, up to our ears with the staff and the parliamentarians writing at breakneck speed, because we’ve got folks competing on the Hill now against each other as to who is going to write the biggest, best, most popular marijuana bill.” ‘snip’

    Pretty much sums it up.

  8. This is awesome:

    Cannabis For Infant’s Brain Tumor, Doctor Calls Child “A Miracle Baby”

  9. WouldYouFallToo says:

    “Medical marijuana is gaining acceptance, but could it even help kids? Dr. William Courtney has seen it happen, and on Friday, told HuffPost Live host Alyona Minkovski about it. Saying he was “quite a skeptic 5 or 6 years ago”, Dr. Courtney continued that “my youngest patient is 8 months old, and had a very massive centrally located inoperable brain tumor.” The child’s father pushed for non-traditional treatment utilizing cannabis.

    “They were putting cannabinoid oil on the baby’s pacifier twice a day, increasing the dose… And within two months there was a dramatic reduction, enough that the pediatric oncologist allowed them to go ahead with not pursuing traditional therapy.”

    The tumor was remarkably reduced after eight months of treatment. Dr. Courtney pointed out that the success of the cannabis approach means that “this child, because of that, is not going to have the long-term side effects that would come from a very high dose of chemotherapy or radiation… currently the child’s being called a miracle baby, and I would have to agree that this is the perfect response that we should be insisting is frontline therapy for all children before they launch off on all medications that have horrific long term side effects.”


  10. wiggles says:

    I feel it raging on. It’s terrors decay. From prohibition they played. Now the words we spoken of, dare they behave? We’re tired of being social slaves, now its our game. Marijuana’s here to save the day. Watch as sabets cash flow droughts like a river in amazon, time to get high feel like a calmalilen, focus on the pay , here comes the DEA, shall we stand and fight, give them pain! Or cower in dismay? Don’t allow injustice discuised as truth,be run by their selfish profits. Hit them where it hurts take that money straight from their pockets. They’re out like a broken light socket. Truth may bring sanity at last. How much longer will their decetiful tranyty stay impact. Cannibas users we need to act fast, tell them to quit their tresspass! Our soverin bodys,our soverin minds,our soverin souls. Government let our people go! They hid in cloak, they know the boat’s about to sink, because america’s beinging to think. I come from tallahassee, and our words are getting fucking nasty. I know I can’t rap, but I don’t give a rat. I did a dime in a half in prison, only to be told my future is so bleek, how can drug warriors justify the way they mistreat? They’re starting to feel the heat. 79 degrees , more than 50% of americans agree. It’s time to set our drug offenders free!

  11. Windy says:

    Bit by bit the lies told about cannabis for 70 some years are being exposed to the light of day.

  12. Francis says:

    The local paper asked me to comment on the medical marijuana bill in Illinois. It was kind of odd, because my mindset is currently so far beyond the petty things that they’re arguing over that it was hard to even focus on the arguments.

    Seriously. It’s like being interviewed for a piece on gay rights and being asked, not about same-sex marriage, but for your views on “anti-sodomy” laws. Or being interviewed for a piece on gender equality and being asked if married women should be allowed to own property.

  13. claygooding says:

    Yup..I decided to go on a tolerance break,,when I start understanding wiggles it calls for drastic changes of habit,,,on second thought I will change brands of coffee,,something with less caffeine should do the trick.

  14. allan says:

    Curly Stimson rears his addled head:

    How pot advocates are manipulating the truth

    Comments are eviscerating poor curly and his prohib playbook BS. Have fun.

    • thelbert says:

      missing from the article was anything about how pot advocates manipulate the truth. telling the truth is not “manipulating” the truth.

    • divadab says:

      the Milwaukee Sentinel’s Facebook login function is not working…….

  15. Duncan20903 says:


    This one is from the “prohibition is built on a platform of nothing other than bald faced lies, half truths and hysterical rhetoric” category and is a specific example of the bald faced lie part:
    CHP Capt. Matt Olson: Marijuana kills more motorists than alcohol

  16. Duncan20903 says:

    The Washington Post printed an editorial called Recklessly commercializing pot by Peter Bensinger and Robert DuPont

    • darkcycle says:

      Lord knows, we wouldn’t want be smokin’ “commercial” weed now, would we. I like the High Grade.

  17. Peter says:

    It suddenly occurred to me, has anyone heard a word from K. Sabet since the election? Poor Kev must be experiencing painful withdrawals from his media addiction. Not to mention his bank account…

  18. Peter–you should bite your tongue. He must have heard you.

    • Peter says:

      I thought the silence from kevin rentamouth was too good to be true…

    • darkcycle says:

      Sorry, I went there, and I can’t stop laughing. Kevin Sabet not only has a total failure of imagination, evidently he has a cognitive dysfunction as well.
      Can’t imagine….heheheheheheheheh!

    • kaptinemo says:

      But has everyone noticed something? The moment he opens his pie hole, the truth squads on the Internet dive in almost immediately, correcting his BS.

      A pity they’re not hired by the media; we’d have better quality ‘news’ content, overall…

  19. DonDig says:

    Isn’t this all really GRAND!!!
    I’m just basking in the awareness that this whole thing has taken a cosmic leap forward.

  20. Mooky says:

    If These prohibs cant critically analyze the word legalization, then they surely cannot analyze an entire drug (war) culture.

  21. Duncan20903 says:


    Wow! The cartels have stopped selling pot in Washington and Colorado!! It appears that they lost these markets because Mexican pot is bunk weed!!!

    This one is from the “Church Lady says ‘how conve-ee-eee-nient'” category:

    Why Legalizing Pot Won’t Curb the Drug War
    Dec 3 2012, 7:52 AM

    Advocates may think their recent initiatives have set Mexican traffickers back, but the cartels have already moved on.

    “We have more weed being grown here than anywhere else in the world, probably by three-fold. Every gangster I know is already in the soup line because of medical cannabis.”

    • claygooding says:

      From my read it seemed like more prohib misinformation than reporting,,,they still think the cartels can expand the meth/cocaine market or kidnap more people to replace lost revenues from CO and WA legalizing, It seemed like groundwork preparing America for continued spending of tax dollars accomplishing nothing.

      This is the claim made by every LE spokesman so far and been debunked by several on the couch.

    • claygooding says:

      “We have more weed being grown here than anywhere else in the world, probably by three-fold. Every gangster I know is already in the soup line because of medical cannabis.”

      True,,there is so much weed grown now in both WA and CO that when and if a legal market shows up and drives prices lower than will support those growers the only option will be to sell to other states that still have a black market,,should be an incentive for other states,especially bordering states.

      Just wait until the state sore is out because the black market pays better.

      • darkcycle says:

        Nope. The gangsters had to lower their prices and up their game, quality wise. Really, only about ten or twenty percent of the consumers out there have gone to the time and expense of actually GETTING a ‘script (my guesstimate). Some rely on friends with ‘scripts. Others still go to their neighborhood Spiccoli. The dispensaries right now are the high end and specialty market. I suspect that if you want a varietal, or a truly high end product after the State implements it’s scheme, you’ll need to visit a dispensary.

        • darkcycle says:

          Sad…it just occurred to me…it’s legalized. But we will not be able to go and buy a true well grown Acapulco Sativa, or bring home a chunk of greasy black Pakistani hash. No Bhang candies from India. Or Nepalese temple Balls.
          Aw, I just completely bummed myself out. I suppose I shall just have to comfort myself in the knowledge that our domestic product stands with the best in the world. But that’s not enough.
          I want the whole ball of charras.

        • allan says:

          when the dust clears from WW’s III – VI and all energy is spent, hate reduced to ash, all weapons used and gone… there will still be a few… a few wrapping sticks of juicy Thai with raw cannabis fiber, a few rolling balls of hash… and yes, my dear darkcycle… farmers in Acapulco will be growing fine sativa, fine sativa indeed, the gold standard

  22. ezrydn says:

    One month since the elections and not one word. Do we have them by the short hairs? How can they sequester a whole state…or two? We have the “how to” blueprint now. Pass it around. I’ve waited long enough for the bricks to fall. Time to fire up the bulldozer.

  23. ezrydn says:

    One month since the elections and not one word. Do we have them by the short hairs? How can they sequester a whole state…or two? We have the “how to” blueprint now. Pass it around. I’ve waited long enough for the bricks to fall. Time to fire up the bulldozers.

    • kaptinemo says:

      Been saying for a long time that passing relegalization bills is the equivalent of silver crucifixes dipped in a holy water/garlic juice marinade, useful in fending off the Fed vampire…as what happened after WA and CO proves.

      Count Fedula has had to take a step back and very carefully reconsider his next predations, given that he’s bumped into that generational shift that doesn’t believe cannabis is a big deal.

      The irony is still fresh and delicious: The worm turned, and the biters got bit. All those voters who voted for the initiatives, who as kids had that intellectually insulting “Just say No!” crap dinned in their ears for decades, with one hand pulled a voting lever and with the other hand raised a middle finger in the direction of the prohibs.

      The prohibs have always been about sending messages; never about receiving them. Well, OUR message has been sent, loud and clear. And despite all the heavily-caked propaganda sticking out of their ears, they heard us, alright.

  24. stlgonzo says:

    Well it looks as if DARE is trying to figure out a way to survive. There anti-drug propaganda was always ineffectual in the end.

    D.A.R.E., America’s Most Famous Anti-Drug Program, to Change Focus Away From Drugs

    • Peter says:

      There’s a classic example of Sabet’s ability with weasel-words at the end of the update on DARE. He’s so slick, when the drug war gig is up he will have no trouble getting voice-over ad work for Preparation H

  25. If it only took legalizing it in 2 States to end the Mexican importation of pot, I would say that the drug war against Americans could have been ended years ago. American voters are still going to jail in this country. For what?

    The people that support continuing to arrest Americans for using pot have made our country a prison camp. Those are the real culprits that need arresting.

  26. darkcycle says:

    “Kevin Sabet, currently of the University of Florida and formerly of the Office of National Drug Control Policy, says “It is clear that DARE is moving in the right direction — learning from its past challenges and recognizing the need to integrate evidence-based principles in its work. It started down this path more than ten years ago when it brought together the country’s top scientists — and indeed its harshest scientific critics — to begin to change its curriculum. For this reason, it should be encouraged, not bamboozled by folks who never liked DARE to begin with. DARE remains the most popular drug education program in the history of drug education. Fixing it is a good thing.”” He’s like the little Dutch boy, sticking fingers in the Dike. He’s trying like hell to plug all the holes appearing in this wall, but he’s running out of fingers and toes.
    When I read Kevvie since the election, I get “panic”.
    Oh gawd, I’m really starting to enjoy this… 🙂

    • Duncan20903 says:

      I can’t recall ever seeing a person with knuckles such a bright white. Honest to god it looks like they may pop through the skin if he gets any more tense.

  27. Byddaf yn egluro: says:

    “Yet again the slant of this DM article is totally at odds with the view of the vast amount of the general public, certainly the views expressed in this comments section. The DM would better serve the public if it reported accurately the general consensus rather than preaching to a dwindling congregation. The public are in favour of decriminalization supply and taxation of drugs. Simple.”
    – crashcris, london, 3/12/2012 13:10

    “It is just this sort of bullying by the DM which stifles the debate!”
    – David, Belfast, 3/12/2012 12:21

    Thanks Kate!

    • claygooding says:

      I am going to dvr the show,just in case someone around here misses it.

    • allan says:

      my my my… such attitude. And attitude w/o substance? Gas… belcherous flatulence at it’s worst. Reminds me of a fart I once quietly shared in the NCO club at Cannon AFB (NM). I made the E5 sitting next to me cry. And didn’t claim it. My bad…

      So what’s the DM beef w/ Kate? For a non-head she handled it well as did all around her, it appears. Call an ambulance for a hangnail…

  28. claygooding says:

    An ex-Microsoft executive is waiting to apply for his grow license in WA,,his plan is to raise high end marijuana for the state market.

    I have a feeling a lot of retired persons in WA and CO will become horticulturist,,or should I say a lot more.

    • darkcycle says:

      Everybody WANTS to grow High Grade. It’s easy growing good pot. But great pot takes talent and brains, AND great genes.

  29. Byddaf yn egluro: says:

    “The Sensible Policing Act directs all police in BC to stop spending any time or resources on searching, seizing or arresting anyone for simple cannabis possession,” explained Larsen, who works as Director of the Vancouver Medicinal Cannabis Dispensary. “The lawyers at Elections BC have confirmed that this legislation is within provincial jurisdiction and suitable for a referendum.”

    Larsen is leading the Sensible BC campaign to have a referendum on the Sensible Policing Act, putting volunteers in place to collect the official signatures needed from September to November of 2013.


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